by Laura Stuart
Saturday, May 26th, 2012
The number of Muslims in the U.K. is in the region of 2 million. Despite this number we are presently not united or organised enough to be a coherent voice. In my opinion this is because we do not have good leadership to mobilise us in a positive way. The lack of good leaders in the U.K. is an echo of the situation across the Muslim world where we have various self imposed dictators, British implanted Monarchies and some of the greediest cruel and most corrupt tyrants in the world.
Despite the lack of leadership Muslims are only too aware that as a community we have a responsibility to act with morality. We believe in our religious texts which tell us
(Thus We have made you [true Muslims], a Wasat (just) (and the best) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger (Muhammad ) be a witness over you.)
So we understand that we have a duty to defend moral values as set down in the Scriptures – the Quran and the former Scriptures The Gospels and the Bible. In the Scriptures we know from the story of Lot that the act of Sodomy is against the laws of God/Allah. Furthermore marriage in religion has always been for the purpose of procreation. Two reasons why Muslims and the people of other religions can never accept the legalisation or equality of Gay Marriage.
I wrote earlier today about the immense pressure the various lobby and special interest groups are able to put on our Peers in the House of Lords and our M.P.s in the House of Commons, read about their bullying tactics here. With so many pressure groups active in trying to ensure that Gay Marriages become a reality, what are we doing to put our views forward, in that we definitely oppose it?
One of our foremost and most active scholars in the U.K. is Sheik Haitham al Haddad who is on the Shariah Council. Sheik Haitham has written a paper on the subject of Gay Marriage asking Muslims to stand up and oppose this move. An except from his paper informs us of our duty
I do not have any reservation in confirming that it is an Islamic obligation upon each and every Muslim in the UK to carry whatever steps that may help stop this bill from going through. Everyone should not think of his impact, rather he or she should think of being questioned by Allah concerning his reaction when he saw the Divine law being violated. Let us remember that the prophet made the attempt to change anything that opposes the Divine law as a personal responsibility.
Sheik Haitham gives us a list of actions we can take in his paper which is titled The Responsibility of the Muslim Community to Oppose the Gay Marriage Bill.
I suggest that every Muslim who reads this paper by Sheik Haitham, prints it out and takes it to his Imam in the masjid or to a Muslim community leaders and asks him how his community can be mobilised into taking effective action.
It is entirely possible in many cases that Muslim parents in the U.K. were actually born elsewhere and may have no perception of what is taught in the schools here to young children. Read here an old Guardian report about books for primary school children to be used in teaching gay issues – such as the Prince who married a man and lived happily ever after. If we want to make sure that the equality of Gay Marriage is not taught to our children we need to be active in making sure that our M.P.s know that there are opposing voices in their communities.
Read here a very important letter by Hendon M.P. Matthew Offord to a constituent who wrote to him asking what his stance on Gay Marriage is. Matthew Offord’s reply explains exactly some of the consequences it may have on the teaching to our children in U.K. schools.
So far as I am aware Sheik Haitham al Haddad is the only Muslim leader to have written and spoken out on the issue of Gay Marriage – yet it is an issue that will potentially impact on the lives of all of us. I wonder why are Imams are not speaking to their congregations at Friday Prayers and at every opportunity to encourage Muslims to do what Allah s.w.t. Commanded us to do?
I despair especially of my own mosque and Muslim community in Finchley as one of the M.P.s strongly promoting Gay Marriage is Mike Freer an openly and proud gay himself. Our Mosque Committee have insisted on welcoming Mike Freer to hold his consultation clinics every few months in Finchley Mosque despite discontented voices in the community. Protests take place each time Mike Freer attends our mosque and he can only enter with the protection of police officers and the Management Committee. The Committee have come out against the views of Muslims to facilitate someone who is an open enemy to Palestinians and to Muslims by being a legislator for that which goes against the Shariah of Allah. Read my previous articles about Mike Freer and Finchley Mosque Committee here – here here and here.
Given that our mosque committee seem to be prepared appease Mike Freer to such a degree, how can we be sure they will not sucumb to pressure to be a mosque where Gay Marriages will be facilitated in the future? The kind of mosque that the west considers progressive is such as the one in America written about in a Huffingdon Post article “Progressive Muslims Launch Gay Friendly, Women Led Mosques In Attempt To Reform American Islam” Ifeel sure Finchley Mosque Committee would have more of a problem accepting the idea of Women Leaders than being Gay-Friendly.
I want to finish by reminding Muslims of our obligation to fulfill the Command of Allah s.w.t.
You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.
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Rich Siegel
May 27, 2012 at 5:07 am
Seems to me that any Muslim (or any Christian- or anybody at all) who doesn’t like gay marriage, is free to NOT marry someone of the same sex. Being straight myself, I am a man and I married a woman. But what gives anyone the right to say that gays can’t marry. What even gives anyone the DESIRE to impose limits on marriage freedom. I’m an American and in the US several states had laws that banned inter-racial marriage up until 1967. (I am in an inter-racial marriage.)
I understand that many Muslims- as well as Christians- feel that their religion forbids homosexuality. Fine. What right to you have to impose that on others? None at all. Islam also forbids alcohol. Are you going to try to get the government to shut down the pubs next? (Bars have actually been attacked by Muslim zealots in Indonesia.)
Why not just decide that your religion is just that- your religion? You live by it, and let those outside it do as they please, especially when what two consenting adults do has no effect on you.
PS- my 7 year old mixed race daughter, from a marriage that would have been illegal in several states prior to 1967, and in most states in the 19th century, has two godfathers, a gay couple who were married in New York. They’ve been together over 20 years, longer than most straight marriages last these days. My daughter knows that her two godfathers are married to each other, and I doubt that this information will corrupt her at all.
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 5:39 am
There is no issue of mixed race marriage in relgion though so you can’t compare the two issues. The reason why religions such as Islam want to prevent gay marriage is because the religion focuses on the group or nations wellbeing not the individual’s right to do what they please.
Bob Hope
May 29, 2012 at 12:04 am
Hi Ms. Stuart,
What do you think of a 54 year old Muslim “thighing” with a child & then having full sexual intercourse with the 9 year old child?
Oh yeah! Thighing is where the 54 year old Muslim inserts his langer between the child’s thighs & masturbates himself, shooting his cum all over the place and that the child has to wash it off his clothes before he goes to the Mosque.
Was it Halal for Muhammad to Masturbate (& have Aisha clean it)?
AISHA WASHING SEMEN FROM MUHAMMED’S CLOTHES
From the Hadith of Bukhari:
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
as above (229).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:
Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.
From the Hadith of Bukhari:
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
as above (229).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:
Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that ‘Aisha had said, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.
Just picture a naked, six-year-old female child & a fifty-four-year-old lecherous Arab and he putting his large PENIS between the child’s thighs & using them like the sides of a vagina to ejaculate. Or picture this lecherous, naked Arab sucking the “pussy” of the naked, six-year-old female child until he “shoots” his load of semen all over the place. And Allah watching & approving of his prophet debauching this innocent, six-year-old child. Allah is some PERVERT god & so is his pervert prophet!!!
Watcher
June 20, 2012 at 8:37 am
Hahahahahahaha……you sad old man. You really shouldn’t quote hadiths unless you know the full details, whether the isnad is strong or weak, or the context. How old was Aisha when she did this washing ? Do you know ? No you don’t…The funniest thing is non-muslims trying to look clever by quoting hadiths, qur’an etc when they really have no clue and just cherry pick lines to appear well read. Always makes me smile….
Presumably you have had some trouble with muslims, which has turned you into such a bitter person that you have to write this. Presumably, because of your hostility, you are also gay ? To think of writing the kind of stuff you have done here, you are obviously a very sick person, but I’m sure you feel better now you have done it right ? Anyway, you shouldn’t worry about these things….You should be worrying about burning in Hell, because that where you are heading, inshallah.
Rich Siegel
May 27, 2012 at 10:56 am
The individual’s right to do as he/she pleases is the best way to insure the nation’s well-being. The government’s job is not to legislate on behaviors that are not criminal. Homosexual acts between consenting adults are not criminal. Homosexual relationships can often be as long-lasting, or longer lasting than hetero marriages. So why not give them rights identical to straight married couples? Answer: Because YOU don’t want to. It’s really like having a conversation with a Zionist. You can talk about documented history and obvious moral implications. You can talk about obvious right of return for refugees and the obvious desirability of ending Jewish exclusivity and initiating a real democracy, not just one for Jews- but you always reach a dead end. Why? Because Zionists just want what they want- a Jewish-exclusivist state on stolen Palestinian land. In this issue you- and others like you- just want what you want: a society with institutionalized bigotry against homosexuals.
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 6:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4yy9r19O1I
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I try not to wonder what sort of stuff you watch in your spare time.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm
No, no, no, he only looks for videos that support the ideological points he makes in debates, nothing else.
Remember “Playboy”, which men used to but ONLY for the quality of articles in it? Same thing.
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 6:40 pm
“Remember “Playboy”, which men used to but ONLY for the quality of articles in it? Same thing.”
that’s wrong. men only used playboy to conceal their penthouse mags in. it is the articles in penthouse which fascinated men.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 27, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Penthouse came later, didn’t it?
In the beginning there was Playboy
And men had to do with interview with Jimmy Crater confessing that he had “lusted in [his] heart”
Then came Penthouse with the real super quality articles written by scientists and many other luminaries.
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Ariadna Theokopoulos
“Penthouse came later, didn’t it?
In the beginning there was Playboy
And men had to do with interview with Jimmy Crater confessing that he had “lusted in [his] heart”
Then came Penthouse with the real super quality articles written by scientists and many other luminaries.”
you seem to know more about it than i do, but me mum told me that when they were little, they read national geographic for the articles, too.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 27, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Yeah, I do. It’s because I am older than you. And on some days than anyone else on earth.
Can we get back to the Right of Return now?
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Laura Stuart
“I try not to wonder what sort of stuff you watch in your spare time.”
then try not to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X7NzUHDMCE
anyway, do you really want to bring islam down by associating it with views similar to those of that pastor. think about what you are doing.
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Well, he has understood the issue perfectly, either you believe in your texts (scripture) or not. The Reform and Liberal Jews don’t seem to believe in their texts and many Christians are not terribly familiar what it says in theirs. There is a huge campaign to seperate Muslims from the Quran.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 27, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Whoever wrote the subtitles must have been a deaf person who hasn’t mastered lip reading much at all.
Electrified fences… so they die out…. makes you want to emigrate from the US of Anencephaly
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I wonder if Muslim men should start campaigning for polygamy?
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 7:28 pm
“I wonder if Muslim men should start campaigning for polygamy?”
all men should. it’s a good insurance against headaches.
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Is it not headaches X 4 ? I mean 4 credit card bills 4 x cars 4 x houses etc
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 7:39 pm
yeah, but when one wife has a headache, one simply goes to the next. given enough wives, just from the odds alone, one is bound to be headache free. the added bills is the price one has to pay for that insurance, unfortunately.
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 7:43 pm
That is not how it works Islamically, each wife has her night. Anyway, one of the issues that drives secular Jews crazy is that in Islam the woman is not supposed to say no to her husband. Unless she is quite ill of course. No headaches.
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 8:03 pm
“Anyway, one of the issues that drives secular Jews crazy is that in Islam the woman is not supposed to say no to her husband. Unless she is quite ill of course. No headaches.”
that’s because no new york jewish woman could ever give up her right to headaches.
anyway, all of that dominance and submission routine is a turn-off, as far as i’m concerned, no matter which gender insists upon making it a requirement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4o49mRLQnQ
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 27, 2012 at 7:47 pm
They could join the unreformed section of the Mormons–strength in numbers. A lot of other men might join too. Could be big movement.
I can see the ads featuring twin sisters…
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Sisters not allowed I am afraid. I really feel that if the government allow gay marriage that they can’t say no to polygamy. I don’t know what the situation in the US of A is but here we have a lot of Asian women who are unmarried due to mothers preferring their sons to marry from “back home”. It’s already happening anyway just not legally.
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Ariadna Theokopoulos
“They could join the unreformed section of the Mormons”
polygamy was the one worthwhile thing the mormons had going for them and look what those idiots did. they must have been taken over by gays, like the catholics.
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 7:31 pm
“Whoever wrote the subtitles must have been a deaf person who hasn’t mastered lip reading much at all.”
i’ve noticed that too. it appears the cc wording is computer program generated. it has the look of a google or babelfish translation.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 27, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Can you make a point, any point, about this bath scene?– I like it a lot.
http://screen.yahoo.com/baby-pygmy-hippo-29136157.html
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 6:49 pm
great video, at.
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Muslim Council of Britain launches campaign to protect marriage
http://www.mcb.org.uk/media/presstext.php?ann_id=486
Gilad Atzmon
May 27, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Rich and Laura…
i am afraid that both of you miss the point. It isn’t really a debate between you 2. Laura presents here her vision of Islam’s take on the subject. She also writes to her brothers and sisters. I guess that many people here including myself do not mind at all Gay Marriage, we do not think that it it within our right even to comment of the subject. Most of us. including me believe in individualism and individual rights. However, Laura doesn’t. what we see here is a classic tribal argument.And the real question s whether a post enlightenment subject can engage is an exchange with a tribal ideology.
I am very to see such a debate on deliberation.
Deliberation, as I see it, is not a progressive site, it doesn’t have a party line either. It is a platform of cultural and intellectual exchange. It is not a ghetto, it is open to some radical ideas as long as they can be scrutinized and debated..
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Gilad we are discussing Polygamy now because it’s all about freedom of choice and equality for everyone right?
I do not agree that it is the right of the individual to do something which is harmful to himself or detrimental to the society he lives in.
I don’t see how this can be tribal – all religions agree on this issue not only Islam and some people who are not religious as well.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm
“I do not agree that it is the right of the individual to do something which is harmful to himself or detrimental to the society he lives in.”
Detrimental to the society, not, but to himself?!
Yes, he hould be able to do anything he wished with and to himself including suicide.
Laura Stuart
May 27, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Not that sure about suicide. I used to be a Samaritan so have talked to a lot of depressed and suicidal people and although it is not the policy of the Samaritans to actively prevent suicide it is hoped that you can talk people out of it. What about the impact on the family? I thought about this a lot during the hunger strikes, in fact it’s not allowed to take your own life in Islam. Nothing we do is really without consequences for those around us or wider society.
who_me
May 27, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Laura Stuart
good points. many people who are suicidal are depressed and want help and don’t really want to die yet. but on the other hand, there are those who don’t want to continue, for various reasons. many cultures don’t regard death as something bad, but as a part of life. maybe that’s not such a bad idea.
Sheldon Richman
May 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Live and let live. Anything that’s peaceful.
Jonathon Blakeley
May 27, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I Oppose Gay Marriage, its seems like a contradiction in terms. (I don’t mean to offend, but it”s just my style). Marriage 4 me is for the Yin Yang force of nature, with all its possibilities of life and children. Homosexuals should celebrate their love in rituals of their own devising, rather than hijack Heterosexual rituals and reverse engineer them to their own suiting.
Bob Hope
May 28, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Hi Jonathon Blakeley,
Let me show you what STRAIGHT people have done:
What is the total number of legal abortions since 1973?
Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, there have been approximately 50 million abortions performed in the United States.
Source: Guttmacher Institute, 2011, August. Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States.
DOCTOR DEATH
Dr. Martin Haskell giving a presentation at the 16th Annual Meeting of the National Abortion Federation Conference in 1992 in San Diego. It was a gathering of abortionists — men and women who make their living by killing babies. Haskell was describing to his audience how to do a partial-birth abortion. Listen to his words about how this procedure takes place:
“The surgeon then introduces large grasping forceps … through the vaginal and cervical canal … He moves the tip of the instrument carefully towards the fetal lower extremities — and pulls the extremity into the vagina …The surgeon then uses his fingers to deliver the opposite lower extremity, then the torso, the shoulders, and the upper extremities. The skull lodges in the internal os. The fetus is oriented … spine up … The surgeon then takes a pair of blunt curved Metzenbaum scissors in the right hand. … the surgeon then forces the scissors into the base of the skull–spreads the scissors to enlarge the opening. The surgeon–surgeon then introduces a suction catheter into this hole and evacuates the skull contents.”
Haskell, having described these brutal details, shows his audience a video of himself doing one of these procedures. And at the end of the video, after the sound of the suction machine taking the brains out of the baby’s head, the audience applauds.
Watcher
June 20, 2012 at 8:43 am
What does this have to do with gay marriage ? You are SICK
Mariapalestina
May 28, 2012 at 2:08 am
It saddens me more than I can say to read this. I am a woman, and I have no interest in marrying a woman. I am outraged when I hear anybody deciding for others. If a woman doesn’t want to marry and woman or a man doesn’t want to marry a man, good for them. Meantime let others marry whomever they choose.
Rich Siegel
May 28, 2012 at 2:52 am
OK Gilad. Maybe I follow, maybe I don’t. I don’t care about the label “progressive”. I agree that you and I don’t have the right to comment on the subject of gay marriage. After all we are not gay. Similarly we don’t have the right to comment on who lives in Palestine- at least I don’t. I didn’t grow up there. You did.
But we live in a world full of God’s beauty and human obscenity. How is it possible, when the most obvious task for adult human beings is to provide for all the children on the planet- and to do so equally- that we witness people who not only deprive others of equal rights but find ways to justify doing so- with ideology.
For example: The Jews are a persecuted people who have lived in a miserable diaspora for 2,000 years and never did anything to hurt anybody. The Arabs just hate Jews for no reason, just like everybody hates Jews for no reason. BULLSHIT! And I have to say so. And I have to very intentionally abandon my Jewish tribe and my own personal Jewishness and do what I can to defend the Arab victims of the Jews against more abuse from our tribe. It’s a duty, one that I’m honored to take on.
And another example: Homosexuality is not normal. It’s sick. They prey on the rest of society, and on children in particular, and we have to defend against any expansion of their sickness into the mainstream. We have to keep them marginalized and closeted. And the best way to do this is to continue to deprive them of various rights that the rest of us enjoy. And use our religions to justify this and our governments to implement it. BULLSHIT! And I have to say so. And you know the rest.
Bob Hope
May 28, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Hi Rich Siegel,
I always ask people who say, “we live in a world full of God’s beauty” WHICH GOD?
YHWH & ALLAH are one & the same & all you have to do is read TORAH & QURAN to see his handiwork. The pages of these 2 books DRIP WITH HUMAN & ANIMAL BLOOD.
Google The 42 Laws of Maat & be amazed!
Sheldon Richman
May 30, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Hear, hear!
Bob Hope
May 28, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Hi,
Logically Gays should be AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE! Think about it?
At the moment 2 Gays can “shack” up for a couple years & then one of them decides he does not “love” his “mate” anymore. If he owns the house, he just tells the other to “get lost”, “Elementary, my dear Watson”!
Now the fools are REALLY getting into BONDAGE & they will feel the PAIN of ALIMONY etc. Ha, ha, ha.
The fools didn’t know when they were happy!
who_me
May 29, 2012 at 2:17 am
probably the most obvious reason straight guys would benefit from gay marriage is that it takes 2 men out of the competition. that frees up 2 women. less guys vying for more women. i’m surprised nobody has mentioned this.
Rich Siegel
May 29, 2012 at 2:27 am
The reason nobody’s mentioned it is because it’s nonsensical. Actually Bob Hope’s posts equally nonsensical. This thread has seriously deteriorated.
who_me
May 29, 2012 at 2:50 am
Rich Siegel
“The reason nobody’s mentioned it is because it’s nonsensical.”
speak for yourself, you’re not a pennyless, short, fat, balding old geezer who needs every artificial advantage they can muster up.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 29, 2012 at 3:18 am
what kind of advantage is it when you takeout of the competition 2 guys who were never going to be in it to start with?
who_me
May 29, 2012 at 5:49 am
the supposition was intended more for humour, but there is some truth in it. with gay marraige, homosexuality would be more out in the open (“officially” acceptable) and that means less incentive for closet gays to remain in the closet. less closets, less reason for gays to marry women. most gays are probably still in the closet and many are still getting married to women as part of the charade, or self denial.
fool me once...
May 29, 2012 at 3:26 am
but on the up side, there’s always….
http://i.usatoday.net/life/gallery/_dayinlife/2008/10/l081030/l081030_iff_douglas.jpg
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 29, 2012 at 3:17 am
It happens when people get tired of the topic
Laura Stuart
May 29, 2012 at 7:01 am
For Muslims or non Muslims who want to oppose Gay Marriage The Muslim Council of Britain have set up a campaign called “Muslims Defending Marriage”
http://www.mdm-campaign.org.uk/
There is a petition to sign on the site.
miss info
May 29, 2012 at 1:22 pm
The premise of the arguments are not reliable. One reason given for Muslims to reject gay marriage is given as ‘sodomy’; there is a failure to address the fact that this act is carried out by some heterosexuals as well as some homosexuals, what about them? I’ve absolutely no doubt that some Muslim heterosexuals will do this. It is also a huge leap to say that gay marriage = sodomy and demonstrates a lack of knowledge about sexual practices.
Secondly the institution of marriage is given as being for procreation and raising children to the benefit of society. Many children are brought up in marriages unsuitable for bringing up children, many need foster care or adoption despite the ‘protection’ of marriage between heterosexuals, it is not a quality of the institution but of the people participating in it. Many married couples do not procreate and it is unreasonable to suggest that a homosexual couple would not be able to care for and raise a child either directly, or as wider family members. Sexual orientation has little or nothing to do with ability to contribute to a society in terms of procreation, please refer to the fa’fafines of New Guinea as a specific example http://natgeotv.com/asia/taboo/videos/sexual-identity, numerous gay relatives are further examples.
I believe those are the two reasons you give and they are not very strong, but its up to you of course. I just feel your justifications are a bit weak.
fool me once...
May 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Cheers miss info for the interesting link on the Fa’afafine.
Anthem
May 31, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Reading through the comments on this article brings to mind Stalin’s sobriquet for people who willingly promoted the slogans of the Party used to destroy their own birthright, even as they painted themselves as the opposition. Stalin let them live because they were “useful idiots”.
Here we see a site apparently dedicated to opposing Jewish control, while repeating the memes planted by the world elites bent on population and resource control. The debasing of the family, held as the citadel of a free society, continues apace.
Turned98
June 9, 2012 at 7:49 am
Sorry, but I stopped taking you seriously when I got to this part of your article!
“One of our foremost and most active scholars in the U.K. is Sheik Haitham al Haddad who is on the Shariah Council.”