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What is Zionism?

-  its history and role over the past 150 years

Mount Zion, Jerusalem

Moses Hess

Zionism is, according to its own prominent figures, a religious/political movement the aim of which is to create a socialistic model state for Jews in the land of Palestine where Mount Zion is located. Its roots are found in Judaism and in the middle of the nineteenth century Moses Hess, Karl Marx’s mentor in socialism, developed it into a political movement. Hess was named The Communist Rabbi and with his book Rome and Jerusalem, 1862, laid the foundations for Zionism. Before this, he had formulated the first written principles of Communism – Socialism and Communism, 1843, A Communist Credo: Questions and Answers, 1846, and Consequences of a Revolution of the Proletariat, 1847. In keeping with this, he assisted Marx and Engels in their work with The Communist Manifesto, 1848, particularly concerning the role of religion. (1)

Theodore Herztl

Theodor Hertzl, usually called Zionism’s official founder, planned the colonisation of Palestine in a more practical book, The Jewish State, 1896, which was approved by the first Zionist congress in 1897. He described Hess’s book Rome and Jerusalem as the book that says everything you need to know about Zionism. “Race”, people, nation and the chosen all merge in Zionism to create a national socialism, colonial style, synonymous with “lebensraum” and “blut und boden”. Later on, German national socialism was created with the same ideological components and with similar practical effects on society. Nazism is the Germans’ national socialism and Zionism is the Jews’.

 I too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea.”

Chaim Nachman Bialik, national bard of Israel, wrote this in “The Present Hour” in 1934.

The Balfour DeclarationThe Balfour Declaration, signed 1917 by Britain’s foreign minister and lord Rothschild, created the prerequisites for a national identity for the Jewish group through a Jewish state in the land of Palestine, in accordance with Zionism’s short-term goals. Britain gave away a country owned by others to a third party, in exchange for the cooperation of the Jewish mafia on Wall Street, partly to fund Britain’s military endeavours in the First World War and partly to get the US on the side of the British in the war against Germany.

There was little support for Zionism among Europe’s Jews to begin with, nor among Jews in German concentration camps during the Second World War. However, the panic-stricken exodus of Jews from Germany to Palestine was engineered by a collaboration of Jewish Zionists and German Nazis, thus blocking a more substantial exodus to other countries. This was done through cooperation between The World Zionist Organisation and Germany, the so-called Transfer Agreement in 1933. Preceding this, world Jewry had declared war on Germany in the form of a worldwide economic boycott. However, much earlier on, as part of Europe’s colonisation, Zionism, since the end of the nineteenth century, had guided the Jews in the colonisation of Palestine. Politically Zionism had its great break-through after WWII with the proclamation of the Jewish state in Israel in 1948.

Eastern European Marxist Jews, lead by Ben Gurion, Israel’s founding father who saw himself as a Bolshevik, came to play a crucial part in the colonisation. The socialist kibbutzim where only Jews could become members, paved the way to the theft of land and ethnic cleansing of approximately 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, the Nakba cataclysm. These Palestinians and their offspring still live in refugee camps or in exile and are denied their right, laid down by the UN, to return. The eviction was carried out by the Jewish army Haganah helped by Jewish fascists from the Stern and Irgun terrorist gang groups, founded by Zeév Jabotinsky who cooperated with Benito Mussolini. That same year, the Stern gang murdered Folke Bernadotte, the Swedish UN envoy and negotiator of the UN plan for partition (2).

However, it was not until after the 6-Day War in 1967 that Zionism (post-Zionism) became a significant force in the US, through Jewish influence on banking, media, the film industry, the academic sphere and the Jewish lobby organisation AIPAC, and the neo-conservatives’ (neocons) influence on US foreign policy and the neo-colonial wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The US neocons comprise an alliance of Jewish and Christian Zionists and neo-liberal conservatives, with Leo Strauss as their foremost ideological figure. A kind of rightwing Zionism that bears great similarity to Jabotinsky’s in Palestine. But neocons also have roots among Trotskyites in the US, who like Ben Gurion in Palestine, were Bolsheviks. The Soviet Union took a very active part in the work leading up to the admittance of Israel as a member state of the UN. To what extent this was made to reinforce their influence among communists in the US who were predominantly Jews, or the first importand act of SU Social-imperialism, may be disputed.

Most religious Jewish assemblies worldwide today, see Zionism as a positive development of Judaism (3). But some smaller groups of orthodox Jews such as Neturei Karta, consider Zionism incompatible with Judaism because the creation of a Jewish state can only be the work of God, not of people as in the case of Israel. Christian Zionism has considerable support in the American Bible Belt, but also Christian congregations such as The Swedish Pentecostal Movement give support. Christian Zionism is a large organisation but is subordinate to Jewish Zionism in its support of a Jewish state in Zion where the supposition is, however, that one-day the Jews will become Christians (4).

Neturei Karta

NetureiKarta

Today, Zionism has become the most dominant ideology in the western world and is the most significant expression of Anglo-American imperialism. It is used to control people’s thoughts by restricting freedoms of speech and press, and to motivate neo-colonial wars aimed at Islam. This is accomplished by presenting an official picture of “The Holocaust” as an exclusively Jewish affair and it is treated like a religion; questioning it is taboo and liable to punishment by law. Today, in many countries there are academics in prison for their criticism. The European Union is promoting economic and military collaboration with Israel.

Countries with Nuclear weapons, not including USA and Russia

The new Hitler is said to be in Iran. Ahmedinajad is accused of wanting to wipe out the Jewish state in a “holocaust”, using nuclear weapons he doesn’t have but Israel does. Criticising Israel’s policies and its influence in the US is labelled “anti-Semitism”; questioning parts of the Zionist picture – 6 million Jews in one Holocaust – is called “Holocaust denial”; criticism of the Jewish mafia’s dominance within the power elite, mainly on Wall Street and The Federal Reserve, is named “racist conspiracy theories”.

Considerable efforts are being made in the US and the EU to promote further restrictions and legal punishment of such criticism. It is reasonable to consider that the concerns surrounding details of Hitler’s war crimes against diverse groups of people, including the Jews, should primarily be a matter of discussion between researchers of history, in the same way that the crimes committed by Stalin in the 1930s in Ukraine during the great hunger catastrophe are studied.

In Sweden, organisations such as The Expo Foundation (the Swedish Searchlight), and The Swedish Committee Against Anti-Semitism (the Swedish ADL), play a significant part as front organisations for the government authority Forum for Living History (FFLH) in its defence of the Jewish state and the promotion of Zionist ideology. FFLH, the witch hunt and subsequent sentencing of Ahmed Rami (Radio Islam webbsite), are a few of the signs of Zionism’s influence over Sweden’s institutions of government. The business world has its equivalent in the way that the Jewish family corporation, Bonnier, influences the media. The extreme rightwing Sweden Democrats, is the political party that is most Israel-friendly, consequently also the party that launches the most aggressive attacks on Islam.

Spreading information about the destructive influence Zionism has on humanity in today’s world, and in Sweden, is predominantly an ideological struggle against control and manipulation of people’s thinking. Especially since Zionism hardly exists in public debate. And the reason for this is that the means of production of culture and ideology are to a great extent owned or influenced by Zionist interests.

The heavily nuclear-armed Jewish apartheid state – Israel, is today the greatest threat to world peace through its influence in the western world, and Zionism is the greatest threat to humanity, including the majority of Jews. Zionism is used by the power elite in its efforts to secure a new world order with one Big Brother state and continual conflicts and wars between various religious, ethnic and cultural groups from disintegrated national states. In this light, Israel is the capital of the world and the Palestinians are the oppressed peoples of the world. Hence, Zionism is dangerous and must be resisted.

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1) It should be stressed that although Zionism is a religious and Jewish national socialist project, while Marxism is a secular and international socialist project open to all, both can be seen as Jewish projects, as can the neocons, because of the dominance of Jews in the leadership of these projects. Karl Marx was not a Zionist, but nevertheless Moses Hess was his personal stand-in at the meetings of the Internationale in 1868 and 1869, 6 years after having written Zionism’s Magnum Opus: Rome and Jerusalem.

2) Marxism and Zionism can be seen as complementary survival projects for Jews in Europe, lasting a hundred years, from the middle of the 19th century up to the middle of the 20th century – a double faced tribal strategy. Zionism created the necessary conditions for a nation for the Jews, while at the same time Marxism reduced the strength of all other nations through its internationalism. Regardless of whether this came about intuitively, or was launched as a conspiracy by the Freemasons, or Moses Hess planted the seeds or it was a combination of all these and other factors, the tangible result was that the Jewish group was reinforced.  To such an extent that even Hitler and Stalin’s attempts to reduce its influence failed. We see today, that these strategies were successful regarding Jewish power, especially in the West, and in post-Zionism’s role in the neo-colonial wars. The fact that the majority of Jews are exploited by the Zionist power elite does not alter this fact.

3) Religious Jewish assemblies today, for example in Sweden, consider that a person born of a Jewish mother, who does not belong to any other religion, is religion-wise a Jew. It is also possible to convert to Judaism. But many who consider themselves Jews are in fact secular. Being a Jew today then, is primarily a question of taking on board an identity that is tied to the Jewish state and “The Holocaust”, and sometimes also religious conviction. Every individual Jew can choose to be or not to be a Jew.

4) Judaism, Jewish mentality and Zionism are conceptions with fluid boundaries. They are connected but must at the same time be kept apart. This is because of the diverse opinions amongst religious Jews about Zionism, and because the number of non-Jews influenced by Jewish mentality and Zionism is much bigger than the number of Jews. Modern research has shown that Jews are neither a homogenous ethnic group or a people in the common meaning of the word, but rather, instead, a scattered group held together by a common tribal mentality and religious rules (Halakha) that give guidance as to how matters stand with non-Jews (goim) who, in this context, are considered less than human.

A few important references:

Hess, Moses. ”The Holy History of Mankindand Other Writings”, ed. by Shlomo Avineri. Cambridge University Press, 2005

Shahak, Israel, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years”, Pluto Press, London, Sterling, Virginia (1994, 1997) 2002

Sand, Shlomo. ”The Invention of the Jewish People”, Verso Books, 2009

Slezkine, Yuri. ”The Jewish Century”, Princeton University Press, 2004

Felton, Greg, ”The Host and the Parasite”, Dandelion Books, 2007

Atzmon, Gilad. “The Wandering Who?”, Zero Books, 2011

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53 Responses to What is Zionism?

  1. Ariadna Theokopoulos August 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm #

    Great summary of the history of “Israel.”

    “these strategies were successful regarding Jewish power, especially in the West, and in post-Zionism’s role in the neo-colonial wars”

    And this is an example of the success of jewish power in the US:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhS6B9U13aY&feature=player_embedded

  2. who_me August 16, 2012 at 9:06 pm #

    “What is Zionism?”

    a logical outcome of jewish supremacism.

  3. pgg804 August 17, 2012 at 5:50 am #

    I think its a very good article.

  4. James August 17, 2012 at 8:52 am #

    Aspects of inconvenient history -

    http://www.scribd.com/Huckelberry

  5. James August 17, 2012 at 11:49 am #

    Another two reference works on the apparently never-ending iniquities of Zionism:

    “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed, former central European correspondent for the London Times

    “The Zionist Connection” by Dr Alfred Lilienthal

    • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

      well… id like to point out the fundamentally different qualitys of douglas reed and alfred lilienthal writings and conclusions, you might as well list “mein kampf” and “der judenstaat” as reference works about zionism lol

  6. Blake August 17, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    Thanks for the great history lesson on this insane ideology.

    Unfortunately for the Palestinian people this occult have a sense of entitlement to their land.

  7. happeh August 17, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

    “What is Zionism?”

    The Hebrew word for “Devil Worship”.

  8. etominusipi August 17, 2012 at 8:43 pm #

    who coined the term?

  9. Lasse Wilhelmson August 17, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

    Thanks for the nice comments. Yes I think it is a pretty good take on that subject. But there r many other takes :) It has been on my blog for 4 years and I have tried to ennoble it now and then, still ceeping it rather short. But I felt there always was a need for that kind of article, trying not to justify a special agenda.

    Most attacs on it have been from the left – not supriesingly:)

    Actually it is my most read article, together with a very long interview with me in swedish on the same subject. But I have not yet had it translated it into english because of the costs.

    Also I choose not to write about 911 and other false flag in this article, because I think that needs an article of its own. The same with Holocaust denial, but may be it could be done …

    etom: I dont know how coind the term, but it should not be to difficult to find out.

    Finally I would very much appreciate comments that will do it even better.

  10. osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    this article has 0 information value, its just a narrowminded patternoriented perception of history.
    those who allready assume this narrative will see themself confirmed and those who dont will reject it, most people will be disgusted.

    as long as this article is online i will not link to this otherwise insightfull website again…

    • Blake August 22, 2012 at 4:41 am #

      Where? You have condemned the article without disproving anything. Typical of a zionut when the truth has been exposed. Whining does not disprove a sausage.

      • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

        see what i mean? even though you point out that i didnt offer any definite objection to the article, you assume that i would be a “zionut”…

        that is exactly what i was talking about when i said “narrowminded & pattern oriented”…

        please reflect your pov to “confirmation bias”

        kthxbye.

        p.s. and by the way, your reverse of the burden of proof doesnt make the article any more “true” lol

        and by the way its not allways only about historical facts but aber how to interpret them by means of philisophy of history, and about keeping proportions.

        • Roy Bard August 22, 2012 at 2:16 pm #

          “but aber how to interpret them by means of philisophy of history, and about keeping proportions.”

          And at the end of it, would you say that the interpretation was objective or subjective?

          • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm #

            offcourse it is subjective… im not a philosopher or anything, if it comes to epistemology i consider myself as a “radical” constructivist and therefore a consideration of history can at best be a dialectism of subject and object blablabla

            im trying to be openminded and critical about the role of the religious believes on world history and even about cryptojudaism and cryptozionism (the text does not directly bring that up but we all know what kind of people tend to be intrested in those phenomenons) wich are undisputed historical phenomenons but,
            the problems are:

            A) the implications the author is raising about “zionism/zionists” beeing some kind of über-or collectivesubject that represents one homogenous enity as an actor in history.
            (the conspiring jew?)

            B) it does not in anyway live up to the fact that both the history of zionism and antisemitism can not be understood without the reflection of the dialectism between eachother.

            C) we might now know that not all forms of zionism are founded on modern standards of secular humanism, yet it has to be made clear that although you can find concepts of racial suprematism and tribalism and ethnic chauvinism, or “classism” etc in each and every european nationalsm in the mid-late 19th century, therefore zionism has to be concidered as part of the continuum of european nationalisms instead of beeing selectively isolated from this context.

        • Blake August 22, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

          Well the only person who would have a problem with the facts are a zionut. Do inform is of the “facts”. You have that right and platform to do so.

      • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 2:14 pm #

        or to make my point more simple: shitty articles like this attract idiots like you plus they are obviously getting rejected by the major shared narrative consensus and conducting it will be socially sanctioned (except you only socialize with people that are allready idiots like you anyway)

        • Roy Bard August 22, 2012 at 2:30 pm #

          “they are obviously getting rejected by the major shared narrative consensus”

          So are you saying thinking alike is a good thing or a bad thing? Is the ‘major shared narrative consensus’ based on “interpreting by means of philisophy of history, and about keeping proportions”?

          We should be told

          • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

            neither “major shared narrative consensus” nor “the authors narrative” should be considered as truth.

            + a little example for proportion:

            ” I too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea.”

            takeing a single anecdote about one persons attributes (in this case: ideas) as implicitly representative of an evoked imaginary collective subjects (in this case “the” zionism) attributes.

            this is even more worrying if it contains the equation “zionism = hitler”.

            all this inveigles to the assumtion that “the zionism” was one naziish coherent set of ideas all throughout history as if racism wasnt the norm in european nationalisms “of that period” and as if there wasnt popular views among “zionists” like those of Albert Einstein and Hannah Ahdendt etc etc etc

          • Lasse Wilhelmson August 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

            I am sorry osole that u do not like my take on Zionism. But u know it is just a try to make a short summary, and it is not a book. But there r some links in the article that I think give more meat to it. Why not start with the first one?

            Thanks to my background I happen to know a lot of nice Jewish Zionists of different kinds. They all se themselves as humanists and always want to be friends with the palestinians, as long as they can ceep their rasist entity on stolen palestinian land.

            My simple take on this phenomen is that the palestinians have the right to return and have their country back. And the jews who do not want to live as equals with non-jews on Palestine may as well go back to US, Europe and Russia.

            May be this is not enought philosofical or dialectical, and of course not views that could be compared to those of Einstein and Ahrendt, but it makes me sleep good, and not all that bad to look at myself in the mirror in the morning :)

          • Blake August 22, 2012 at 7:33 pm #

            Einstein wasn’t a zionist to begin with. Calling me an idiot to like this article is a pot kettle black much projection. Palestine is being occupied by an insane ideological cult called zionism. If you don’t like the facts, am not bothered. Justice must prevail.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 23, 2012 at 2:20 am #

            ” I too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea.”
            takeing a single anecdote about one persons attributes (in this case: ideas) as implicitly representative of an evoked imaginary collective subjects (in this case “the” zionism) attributes.

            It’s not an ‘anecdote” it is the basic law of the State for Jews where the blood of the mother has the power to give a Russian permission to come to Palestine and steal tha land/house of a Palestinian.

            this is even more worrying if it contains the equation “zionism = hitler”.

            Worrying? No. A defective comparison in many ways, out of which Israel comes out looking less bad than it is. Or did you mean worrying in that sense?

        • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 23, 2012 at 1:45 am #

          Are you Jay’s son?

    • who_me August 23, 2012 at 4:16 am #

      the serial hasbarabot ran out of different spellings and tried something new.

      “as long as this article is online i will not link to this otherwise insightfull website again…”

      heshe can change its name, but the bitchy queen always shows through. :D

  11. etominusipi August 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm #

    osole wrote:

    …but aber how to interpret them by means of philisophy…

    as a typo enthusiast i am attracted to the hypothesis that the most likely sort of person to use aber as a typo for the wordabout (especially occurring immediately after its English cognate ‘but’) is a native spicker of Chermann. Willkommen zu deLiberation.

    perhaps this explains the apparent animosity of osole towards Lasse? a grim, resentful memory of Gustavus Adolphus?

    i think Blake also must have picked this up unconsciously when he wrote:

    Whining does not disprove a sausage.

    however the phrase addressed to Roy:

    shitty articles like this attract idiots like you

    is from a template proffered in the first volume of the wonderful Hasbtroll Handbook

    however after the beginner phase osole should heed the Guardian’s advice:

    chanting ‘you’re shit and you know you are’ to the other candidates like an intoxicated hoodlum at a football stadium is out
    http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/article/4170847/interview-advice-for-dummies/

    osole also wrote (1st comment):

    as long as this article is online i will not link to this otherwise insightfull website again…

    i suggest osole take his/her own advice and keep away from deLib until Lasse’s article is removed. the intervening time could be used mugging up on the factual background (could start with, e.g. http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/synagogue_of_satan.htm), and taking some classes in written English, which would help his/her case considerably. language like this is quite difficult to decipher:

    …plus they are obviously getting rejected by the major shared narrative consensus and conducting it will be socially sanctioned…

    in terms of funding for this study interlude, i believe there are currently some part-time vacancies in a German nuclear submarine manufacturing facility, which might be an ideal environment in which to reflect on the ironies of history, whilst doing something for world peace.

    • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 4:01 pm #

      i know i started the ad hominem bs with my “for idiots blabla” but you are really hostile toward me and eager about depriving the rationality from my pov :P

      your shit is twisted man, just saying… :(

      p.s. aber = about… so you are into freudian psychoanalys and you think that you have adressed a german “guilt reverse complex” that motivates me and ironicaly thats what another agressive group of idiots is good in, namely the anti-antisemite israel apologists lol! :/

      • etominusipi August 22, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

        osoleteadaption

        the ad hominem? yes, you did start it. it is good that you are honest enough to acknowledge that.

        however, an admission of guilt does not provide automatic exoneration. oy veh!!!

        and then you go straight into the excrement again with your metaphor of twisted shit.

        as to the rationality of your pov, i see, as yet, no evidence of much rationality in what you have posted.

        i am not hostile. i prefer to deal with ideas, but i don’t mind a bit of verbal sparring from time to time. however, i think merely to call someone an idiot is a poor performance, even if we make allowance for the fact that English is not your mother-tongue. and to say it to Roy is even poorer, since one thing Roy Bard is definitely not is an idiot. call me an idiot if you wish, as i am happy to be described in that way.

        it is true that i have read la psychopathologie de la vie quotidienne, and consider it one of Sigmund’s best works. i don’t see that as a hate-crime.

        why refuse an offered insight? it could assist your self-knowledge, even if you think it is wrong. and to explain why you think think it is wrong, would be of interest to readers of this website – such a ‘reverse-guilt complex’ is quite a suitable topic for discussion on deLiberation.

        i can forgive you somewhat, as you are evidently quite young, and have not had time to organise your thinking. but why come on here and immediately start attacking people. your comment about Lasse’s article is simply rudeness, but again without any ideas to support it. i think you might apologise to him.

        a practical suggestion: keep your sentences shorter. and deal with one idea at a time. too many ideas, too many long words in a single sentence can obscure meaning, rather than clarify it. use more concrete terms, and less abstractions. style is partly a matter of getting the balance right.

        • fool me once... August 22, 2012 at 10:14 pm #

          Ha ha great comment eto. I’d describe it with an example of a mischievous midsummers mixed metaphor mashup, namely, ’twas funny as Puck. :D

          • etominusipi August 22, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

            ;-)

      • Blake August 22, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

        You expect respect for ad hominen attacks?

        • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

          to be correct you where acusing me of being a “zionut” wich was the initial ad hominem attack in response to my protest and opposition to the text.

          if you guys would be honest to yourself there would be no reason to be hostile towards me for having a different view, despite a quantum of rudeness in my protest, it was legit, wether you may or may not agree to it.

          i reject your believes and therefor you have to disparage me and also to confirm eachothers self-perception.

          • Blake August 22, 2012 at 11:05 pm #

            Zionists are nuts. How else can you explain ones with a sense of entitlement to what is not theirs?

  12. Lasse Wilhelmson August 22, 2012 at 7:26 pm #

    In Sweden we have a saying that goes: “From idiots and children u often hear the truth”

    Btw after becoming an ordinary human many Jews started to call me an “anti-semite”.

    Something to think about ….

    • Blake August 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm #

      The truth is anti Semite Lasse. Did you not know? :-)

      • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm #

        you mean the truth (wich you posess) hates all jews?

        • Blake August 22, 2012 at 11:04 pm #

          Truth is on the side of the oppressed, not the oppressors. Obviously not your truth which links you to the oppressors.

          • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

            beeing opressive or opressed has no implications on wether something is true or not (meaning a truth existing independently from any observer)

          • Blake August 22, 2012 at 11:28 pm #

            I would like to know what kind of argument you are trying to make. What is it about this article that so upsets you? Zionists have no legal, moral or ethical right to be in Palestine at the expense of the native Palestinians. Agree or disagree?

          • etominusipi August 23, 2012 at 4:45 am #

            there is a rather fine cartoon on the internet. depicting an archetypal situation of oppression – it has four frames. in the first two the dialogue begins as follows:

            child ouch!..you’re standing on my neck!

            adult bully well that’s one point of view…one could also say you are trying to trip me with your neck…

            (see http://blogs.cofc.edu/seamanm-engl299-f11/author/stsacche/)

            the young commenter, (comment reproduced below), spectacularly misses the irony of the cartoon, which is simply taken as an illustration of a valid postmodernist relativism. i will quote her response in full, because it is perhaps similar to what you are trying to articulate. i disagree with her p.o.v., and see this kind of ‘postmodernist thought’ as simply the result of a successful tactic of cultural degradation as mentioned in the famous (or infamous) protocols.

            A NEW WAVE OF THINKING

            Posted on November 9, 2011 by Stephanie Sacchetta
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            In Postmodernism, there is a new possibility of seeing more than black and white. It is a step up from modernism; things are now more subjective rather than objective. It leaves room for artists to construct freely with a new spirit as they seek for more than just black and white and try to find a gray area. As the comic says below, no longer is there one objective reality, rather one can construct their own truth. The self is now seen in a work of art or literature. Chaos is welcomed and anarchy is portrayed. It is mocking with a self awareness. The man in this comic makes clear to this little boy that there is no absolute truth. Just because he is stepping on his neck does not mean that is the only truth that can be found in his action. He says no, you’re trying to trip me with your neck. Nothing is concrete and objective, everything is left up for interpretation and ones own reality. Postmodernism came after the traumatic World War II so this new form of thinking with art, literature, philosophy, etc. can be seen as a world that has experience anarchy and chaos and is displaying it in their new wave of thinking.

          • etominusipi August 23, 2012 at 5:07 am #

            since you mentioned Freud, it is interesting to read this account of how the great psycho-analyst made a similar (precociously postmodern) reinterpretation:

            A Talmudic Fascination with Sex

            Perusing the Talmud, one is overwhelmed with the recurrent preoccupation with sex, especially by the most eminent rabbis. Dozens of illustrations could be presented to illustrate the delight of the Pharisees to discuss sex and quibble over its minutest details.

            The rabbis endorsing child sex undoubtedly practiced what they preached. Yet to this hour, their words are revered. Simeon ben Yohai is honored by Orthodox Jews as one of the very greatest sages and spiritual lights the world has ever known. A member of the earliest Tannaim rabbis most influential in creating the Talmud, he carries more authority to observant Jews than Moses.

            Today, the Talmud’s outspoken pedophiles and child-rape advocates would doubtlessly spend hard time in prison for child molestation.

            The Oedipus complex was the invention of Sigmund Freud! Freud originally discovered, in the treatments partially conducted under hypnosis, that all his patients, both male and female, had been abused children and recounted their histories in the language of symptoms. After reporting his discovery in psychiatric circles, he found himself completely shunned because none of his fellow psychiatrists was prepared to share the findings with him. Freud could not bear the isolation for long. A few months later, in 1897, he described his patients’ reports on sexual abuse as sheer fantasies attributable to their instinctual wishes.

            Freud’s father was a paedophile! In a letter to his friend Wilhelm Fliess, Freud wrote:

            Unfortunately, my own father was one of these perverts and is responsible for the hysteria of my brother (all of whose symptoms are identifications) and those of several younger sisters. The frequency of this circumstance often makes me wonder.

            Fliess’s son, Robert Fliess exposed his own father as being another paedophile, who had sexually abused him when he was a child.

  13. Lasse Wilhelmson August 22, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

    In Sweden there is another saying: “A dear child has many names”.

    Here is another one: an “anti-semite” is someone the Jews donot like”.

    But I am in favour of equality, so I hate everybody:)

    • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 9:29 pm #

      “Anti-Semitism means oppressing Jews even more than they deserve”

      -Jay Leftkovitz

      thats true for every “anti-ism” i guess…

      • fool me once... August 22, 2012 at 10:33 pm #

        @osole
        After reading your Jay Leftkovitz quote it seems to imply the jews somehow deserve some kind of oppression, will you expand on that please.
        What do you think about the suggestion that judaism has been co-opted, hi-jacked etc by a nefarious entity that will ultimately cause massive damage to the jewish people?
        Not a well worded question, but you get the drift.

        • osoleteadaption August 22, 2012 at 10:56 pm #

          @fool me, i read the quote in the following way:
          “jews are people and people are dicks…”

          i dont believe in demons.

          and to give an answer to your question, i think that even the most racist branch of zionism has to be considered as a part of the continuum of european nationalisms since the 19th century, in a way i consider them as traumatised and persistent in the follys of “völkisches denken”, the difference is a racist zionist can get away with it more easily, and that pisses other racists off because they are getting sanctioned for thinking in the same categorys.

          i hope its not going to cause massively more damage to any people because i hope that rightwing zionism will fade away slowly and the israely society will be transforming into a real secular state within the this century.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 23, 2012 at 1:41 am #

            “beeing opressive or opressed has no implications on wether something is true or not (meaning a truth existing independently from any observer)”

            Silly. You have not quite digested yet the idea of the subjectivity of the observer. Perhaps eto is right and you are very young.
            Being oppressed or the oppressor –BEING, not taking a fancy yourself that you are one or the other as is the case with the jewish victimology– as you sa,y sure as hell has “implications” on the relationship between the two, “true” implications.

            “i hope that rightwing zionism will fade away slowly and the israely society will be transforming into a real secular state within the this century.”

            Nonsense. The Israeli society cannot become secular. For a society on the territory currently occupied by Israel to be secular Israel mist disappear, so there will be no “israeli society.”
            BTW, there are no secular jews either. No definition of “jew” stands if you remove the religious mythology. There are only secular individuals formerly known as jews.

            Your chosen posting name is ‘obsolete adaption”? What’s that? Obsolete adaptation? I can only think of one offhand: the adaptation to spewing zionist propaganda even after buyers have become as scant as hen’s teeth.

          • osoleteadaption August 23, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

            “Silly. You have not quite digested yet the idea of the subjectivity of the observer. Perhaps eto is right and you are very young.”

            -well knowing that the winner writes the history i was explicitly refering to a hypotetical concept of truth where there are no observers… you quoted it youself -_-
            imho eto tends to make weird accusations, but he is not the only one here though.

            “Nonsense. The Israeli society cannot become secular. For a society on the territory currently occupied by Israel to be secular Israel mist disappear, so there will be no “israeli society.””

            -well i dont see that connection, lets take denmark, denmark is a secular state, becoming a secular state, for denmark it didnt mean to vanish.

            “BTW, there are no secular jews either. No definition of “jew” stands if you remove the religious mythology. There are only secular individuals formerly known as jews.”

            -a construction of identity is not exclusively tied to mythological believes, the categorys in wich you are defining collective identitys are flawed.

            “Your chosen posting name is ‘obsolete adaption”? What’s that? Obsolete adaptation? I can only think of one offhand: the adaptation to spewing zionist propaganda”

            -thank you for pointing that out, it was a hasty typo and stands for “obsolete adaption”
            indeed!

            but it doesnt mean im a zionist, in fact most zionist of the contemporarily dominant branch would accuse me of antisemitism… thats really funny i think, antisemites call me a zionist and zionists call me antisemite. :D

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 23, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

            I like you more and more. Don’t rest on your laurels though. That’s not for keeps. I used to like jay too for the same reason: the effortless humor (in his case about 9/11 and the jewish bankers of superior intelligence) until he became boringly repetitive. So … stay fresh.

            The bit about jews and Danes had me in stitches, and that was just reading it. If your oral delivery is even decent I’d expect to gasp for breath hearing it again. I never tire of the “jews are a nation like any other” old joke in all of its permutations. I hope Lasse enjoyed it too, or maybe you should repeat it to him changing “Danes” for “Swedes.”

            For a full stand-up act you need to develop it more. Say… have the Danes deriving their national and ethnic identity from their ancient religion, which is history to them. Have them held in slavery in Iceland from which they escape when a Haraldoses get the Runes carved in stone from “G-t” Himself, who tells him the Danes are chosen and gives them direction to the Promised Land. Crossing is tough but Haraldoses motions with a some phallic object and the Faroe Islands stretch to become a bridge. When they get there, they find a land without people for a people without land and proceed to make the frozen, barren land into a spa, upon which some Amaleks start pouring in looking for a handout. Well, you take it from here but make sure they are victims, chased out of their land, and from every country thereafter, and thus known as the Vondering Vikings. Finally in 1948 they return home from all over the world (including Brooklyn) and having no common language, revive Old Celtic.
            But they are all secular now, so why not the Jews?
            The similarities are striking
            Stay fresh and creative; I won’t be here to give you pointers all the time and you don;t want to fizzle out too fast.
            The zionists who call you an ‘antisemite’ are by any chance Danish recently returned from Russia to the secular State for Danes after 2,000 years?

          • etominusipi August 24, 2012 at 2:03 am #

            thank you Ariadnor that very useful summary, i had always wondered about the historical perspective on the Danes. whilst there are striking resemblances with the Jewish narrative, i wonder if you could fill in some detail on the Danish holocaust, and the Danish philistines.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 24, 2012 at 4:42 am #

            I wish you had not asked.
            It is not called ‘holocast’ in Danish history books; it is known as the great Viking Boat Burning (VBB).
            The burning of 6 million viking boats

            http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-521-s&va=viking+boat+burning

            is a difficult topic, controversial, sensitive, and even dangerous to discuss in some European countries, where the denial of (VBB) is punishable by prison.
            There are those who claim that (a) the Danes are pyromaniacs and set them ablaze themselves; (b) the number of boats and the hands on deck that perished in the VBB is a lot smaller than 6 million;
            (c) the non-Danes did not intend to set them ablaze, only to make them harbor unworthy.

            Several things are certain:
            – no other boats in the history of seafaring nations were ever burned just for being viking boats
            – the Dane who invented asbestos was also the one who coined the phrase Never again!

  14. Ariadna Theokopoulos August 23, 2012 at 11:34 am #

    Any dialog with a zionist has to keep in sights the two-track jewish mentality: the same notion means something else or its antonym depending on whether it relates to jews or to Goyim.

    Relativism, like democracy, secularism and multiculturalism is merchandise to be sold only to Goyim. They are tools to atomize the societies in which jews live and turn those societies into a bubbling brew in which only jewish power coagulates.
    They do not apply to Israel, a state jews have confected for themselves as they wish it to be: the opposite of what they preach to Goyim.
    All of these ‘values’ sold on the Goyim’s market under false advertising and in different wrappings is but one and the same article underneath: a compass unfailingly pointing to the interests of jewish power.

    Try ‘relativism’ on Israel’s “right to exist,” or the Holocaust narrative. Try secularism on the Khazars’ “historical roots” in Palestine.They do not operate there.

    Every jewish fable told and retold in the MSM by ‘secularist,” ‘relativist’ jews has the same underlying moral: jewish entitlement is right, god-given.
    Jews only invented, discovered and produced genius and moral light; everything wrong or questionable they learned from the bad Goyim (19th century colonialism, blah, blah).

    Symmetrically, “Love thy neighbor” only applies to Jews.

    • osoleteadaption August 23, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

      its deeply rooted in human nature to apply differend moral standards to others, depending on wether they are included or excluded in ones own (perceived)group, this also echos in every ideological or religious believe system. Therefore this trait is not exclusively jewish.

      beyond that, you accuse the jewry collectively of tribal chauvinism as if “the jews” would be a homogenous collective. offcourse there have been huge efforts made by israel etc to influence and force jewish/israeli identity but that pretty obvious political and demographical reasons, ironically it is also the reaction to the lack of a collective jewish idenity that you are slandering.

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