Comments on: Two British Historians: Irving and Hobsbawm

By: pgg804

pgg804 — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:23:11 +0000

He posted the article with the link I posted above. He doesn’t have additional pictures, but this is his website.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/

By: Roy Bard

Roy Bard — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:16:29 +0000

the pictures were taken in 1940 – and before some of the subjects were in camps according to the blurb.

Do you have a link for the pictures on Irving’s site?

By: pgg804

pgg804 — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:12:45 +0000

I’m not familiar with what kind of sanitary facilities they had there, but I’ve never seen fashionably dressed, smiling concentration camp detainees before. I’ve only seen pictures of emaciated bodies (when all of Germany was low on food due to the blockade against them and the crippling of their transportation due to the allied bombing campaign) and piles of corpses that could well have been photos of Dresden or Hamburg. I can tell you by 1945 many people were without heat in Germany too and it took a few years before many places had heat again.

I think the pictures speak for themselves and your questions are about things you have read or been told probably thousands of times. I thought my statement was pretty clear. One, it looks like the people are being treated pretty well, even having a relaxed conversation with a German officer. It doesn’t look like they are being threatened, beaten, shot at or being killed in gas chambers. It doesn’t look like anyone is chasing after them so they can skin a Jew and make a lampshade out of them or to cut the fat off their bodies to make soap out of them.

By: fool me once...

fool me once... — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:07:19 +0000

@pgg804
I haven’t had time to read the article either but you’re not suggesting things look like a holiday camp for those people living under those conditions are you? Never mind all this about what they’re wearing, what about sanitation and warmth to name but two of the bare necessities?
Please expand on what you get from the photos.

By: pgg804

pgg804 — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:33:10 +0000

Taken from David Irving’s website. New and very interesting photos of Jews in Poland in 1940 released. The smiling detainees wearing fashionable clothing belie what the author writes in the article. The author does his best to counteract the impression the reader would naturally get from these photos, which contradict everything we’ve ever been told. That’s why I only skimmed what the author of the article wrote, which I suspect is worthless. The photos however, are invaluable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219304/Haunting-smile-girl-facing-Holocaust-How-Hitlers-PERSONAL-photographer-captured-history-plight-Jews-Nazi-occupied-Poland.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DPaul%2BHarris

By: pgg804

pgg804 — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:07:18 +0000

A Jew ordered the massacre at Katyn as well. See the second book review in the link below called “Final Solution”.

“Under the orders of former NKVD officer Petr Soprunenko, still living as a Jewish pensioner in Moscow, the NKVD murdered the fifteen thousand captured Polish officers at Katyn and two other sites near Smolensk over the following weeks.”

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/irving2.html

Don’t expect to read that in wikipedia though.

By: pgg804

pgg804 — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:16:15 +0000

According to the Ukrainian government, the Jews were responsible for the Holodomor. The Jewish Telegraph Agency reported that the Ukraine’s security service has compiled a list of the perpetrators of the atrocity and almost every name on the list is Jewish.

After how they grossly exaggerated and used the “Holocaust” not only to create their state on Palestinian land, but also as an excuse to blackmail governments all over the world out of hundreds of billions of dollars, you would think they would keep their heads low on this one; but not the Jews. They accuse the Ukrainian government of using the Holodomor for political purposes.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit

By: Jay Knott

Jay Knott — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:52:02 +0000

Are there any examples of major crimes carried out under Stalin whose organizers were not Jewish? If so, why do you think it significant that the major perpetrators of one of those crimes were (allegedly) Jewish? It's not enough to just say they were Jewish, even if you can prove the claim.

By: Ariadna Theokopoulos

Ariadna Theokopoulos — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:37:05 +0000

That makes no sense. Was it intentional?

By: Jay Knott

Jay Knott — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 06:34:18 +0000

Ariadna – was there no part of Stalin’s empire which was not run primarily by Jews? And if there was such an area, was it run humanely? If you could answer those questions ‘yes’, then your ‘fact’ about Jews and the Holomodor would have some substance to it.