Those living by the sword shall die by the sword
by Khalid Amayreh
Wednesday, July 18th, 2012
In a hard blow to the cultist sectarian regime of Bashar Assad of Syria, a car laden with explosives was detonated outside the National Security headquarters’ building in the heart of Damascus Wednesday morning, killing the Regime’s Defense Minister Daoud Abdullah Rajha and Intelligence Chief Asef Shawkat as well as 50 other soldiers.
According to fragmentary reports from the Syrian capital, an army defector carried out the ‘martyrdom” operation, reportedly to avenge the killing by the army and Shabbiha (paramilitary Shiite thugs and hired killers) in the city of Harasta last month.
The state-run TV didn’t screen any footage of the bombing, ostensibly in order to not undermine supporters’ morale.
The bombing of the Syrian regime’s security and intelligence central nervous system is widely viewed as a turning point in the 16-month bloody popular revolution against one of the world’s most tyrannical regimes.
According to UN estimates, between 18,000 to 20,000 Syrians, mostly innocent civilians have been killed. More than 60,000 were injured and as may as two million were displaced. Averages of 100 civilians are killed per day in the internecine fighting.
The regime, which depends for its survival on the army and the small esoteric Alawite sect, has committed numerous massacres against the majority Sunni population. In the process, entire cities were destroyed by sustained artillery bombardment and tens of thousand had to leave their homes.
The regime says it is the target of an international conspiracy and calls its opponents terrorists and armored gangs.
The Alawites are a small anthropomorphist sect, whose followers constitute no more than 8% of Syria’s 23 million inhabitants. According to its teachings Ali ibn Abi Taleb, the Prophet Muhammed’s cousin and son-in-law, is God incarnate. The Sunnis, who constitute 87-90% of Islam’s followers, view the Alawites as heretics.
In the not-too- distant past, even Shiite ulema (religious scholars) in Iran and Iraq considered the Alawites apostates or pseudo-Shiites.
However, a few decades ago some Shiite ulema changed their minds in this regard and issued a fetwa or religious edict judging the Alawites to be authentic Shiites, despite the fact that anthropomorphism is viewed as a grave sin in the Shiite brand of Islam.
It is generally thought that the turnabout had more to do with political than religious considerations as the new revolutionary regime in Tehran harbored some hopes to convert the Alawites to Jaafari Ithna Ashari (twelvers) Shiism.
State terror and war crimes
Several human rights organizations have accused the Syrian regime of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity against its own citizens.
The regime is shielded by Russian and Chinese backing at the United Nation. It also receives material support from Iran, Hezbullah and Iraq. Last weeks, more than 20 Iraqi Shiites were killed fighting alongside Alawite terrorists.
The mainly Sunni opposition groups, including the Free Army battling the regime’s sectarian gangs, hope the latest developments in Damascus will lead to more defections within the Syrian armed forces and accelerate the downfall of the regime.
According to reliable sources in Damascus, hundreds if not thousands of officers are only Awaiting the opportune time to join the opposition.
“Defection is not a simple matter, the would be defectors need first to secure their families, lest they be killed or punished by the regime and its thugs,” one source said.
The death of Asef Shawkat represents a real shock for the regime. He was married to Bashar Assad’s sister Bushra and is widely thought to be responsible for the murder of thousands of civilians.
According to the Syrian ambassador to Iraq, who defected recently, Shawkat instructed his soldiers to murder, rape and steal:
“He asked them to do every thing and commit ever vice, to rape women, slaughter children, burn houses and furniture, only one thing he asked them to avoid: mercy.”
Shawkat lived by the sword all his life. He carries on his criminal hands the blood of thousands of his innocent victims. Hence, no tears ought to be shed for his death.
There is no doubt that situation in Syria will get even bloodier as the freedom fighters are knocking on Assad’s doors in Damascus. The regime rightly views the battle as his last. The same thing for the opposition, which fears an Iranian takeover of Syria if the regime is enabled to extend life by a few more years.
The latest developments are bad news for the Iranians as well. Iran wants to spread Shiite hegemony and therefore Shiite teaching in the Sunni heartland, which is the ultimate strategic goal of the 1978 Khomeini revolution. Iran and its allies use the Arab-Israeli conflict as a ruse to endear Shiism to unsuspecting Sunnis, frustrated by the impotence of their governments and their subservience to the United States, Israel’s guardian-ally. (end)
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alex
July 18, 2012 at 10:18 pm
They lived by sword, and their swords where directed Israel the enemy of Arabs and Muslims, the enemy of humantiy, who consider you an animal, and you proved that you are, a slave and lived 45 years as slave and shall end your life, nothing but a slave, a big mouth for zionist Hasabra.
You, the son of Zionist whore,
Hear hear it from the Sayyed Al-Moqawama
Syria, constitutes a real problem to the Americans and “Israelis”, as they saw important development in Syria during the past phase. Military strategy, according to Sayyed Nasrallah, transferred it to a military power and made it a possible threat to “Israel”.
“Syria is a path for the Resistance and a bridge of communication between the Resistance and Iran,” His Eminence noted, adding “I have two [proofs] for Syria’s role [in supporting the Resistance]. The first one is that the most important rockets that targeted Haifa and the center of “Israel” were made by Syrian military and given to the Resistance. Syria was an aid to the Resistance and gave weapons that we used in the July War; not only in Lebanon, but also in the Gaza Strip.”
Pointing out that “Israel” today is afraid of Gaza and afraid for Tel Aviv, Sayyed Nasrallah questioned “Who gave [Gaza fighters] rockets? The Saudi regime? The Egyptian regime? No. They were rockets from Syria and transferred through Syria. The Syrian leadership was risking its interests and existence for the sake of the resistance in Lebanon and Palestine to be strong. Show me one Arab regime that did the same.”
“All Arab countires know very well what it means for Syria to give Hezbollah, Hamas and the Islam Jihad Movement weapons at a time when Arab regimes prevented food and money from being transferred to Gaza!” SAyyed Nasrallah noted, and further explained “Syria sent weapons and food to Gaza and took a risk to do so.
THANKS TO BASHAR AND SAMI SHUHAB.
HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT SAMI SHUHAB, BASTARD
This is Syria, Bashar al-Assad’s Syria, the Syria of the martyrs Assef Shawkat, Daoud Rajha and Hassan Turkmani [who were martyred in Wednesday's violent attacks in Damascus].
alex
July 18, 2012 at 10:34 pm
“The July war was supposed to be a war to crush the Resistance in Lebanon and destruct the Resistance axis in the region. His Eminence assured that the second thing “Israel” would have done was to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad’s regime and destroy Syria under the claim it had helped the Resistance. Yet, the Resistance’s victory prevented such from taking place.” Nasrallah
Khalid Amayreh
July 18, 2012 at 10:54 pm
(Alex) at least I know my father, and his father, and all my ancestors for the past 500 years.
Unlike me, most Shiites don’t know their fathers, because their mothers slept with hundreds of men in order to desreve the good company of Zaynab and Zahra in the hereafter.
In Baghdada, and Also in Iran, Obstetric & Gynecology Wards summon tens of men for DNA tests to know who is the boy’s mother.
In Mashhad, Iran, an Iranian girle sells herself for five dollars an hour. If she sleeps with 20 men, she makes a hundred dollars.
In Yemen, they send trucks packed with shiite girls to the mountains so that the houthi fighters could get rid of their dirty waters. And the next night, they are sent to another group of fighters, and so on annd so fourth. And so and so frth.
In Baghdad, most of the Shiite temples, the Husseinya, have been transformed into prostitution houses where a given girl has multiple husbands in less than 24 hours. And if they get pregnant, the child is named Abdul Hussein, Abdul Mahdi, etc.
And accorsig to the Shiite of Iblis, such whores will be the first to go to heaven on the day of judgment. Even Ayatullah Sistani, the highest ranking clergyman in Iraq, doesn’t know his father because his mother slept with so many men.
I am sorry to put you head down an d to diagrace you, but sometimes one has to say what one has to say. Remember you house is of glass and I am preparing for you a lot of surprises exposing your promiscuous cult.
Alex
July 19, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Musaylama,
You only disgrace yourself. the more you write the more you express your ugliness.Since the very begining I told you that I am not a shiite, My Kaaba is Palestine, and I support resistance whether it Shiite or Sunni. Resistance is a culture, and has n religion, and treason has neither religoin nor sect.
“There is no compulsion in religion,” – Holy Qur’an
They told you that this aya and some 120 Ayas are deleted (Mansouka) by Ayat Alsayef.
They told you that Muslims are 73 groups, 72 will go Hell except One (Al-firaka alnajiyah),And that one group is Amerian brothers.
Musaylima, Angles are created to obey. but created
Human free to obey or disobey, and humanity startes with disobiediance of both satan and Adam.
In otherwords, Allah created a mini-god
Human freedom is the way (Sabeel) of Allah, Follower of Prophet Mohamad fought their oppressors (Fee Sabeel Allah) for their freedom of believe not for Gizya, and Jawari like they did later.
In attacking people who don’t follow you human understanding of Islam you fighting against sabeel Allah.
I know what you will do, you will never storm your “brain” you will say I don’t understand religion, I am A shiite though you know what I saying is not in harmony with shiite version of Islam.
Go on Mosaylama, laanat allah Alaik
Blake
July 20, 2012 at 5:42 pm
So why are women forced to cover up in Iran if they are so promiscuous? Surely they would be walking around with nothing on the way you describe them.
Khalid Amayreh
July 18, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Israel could have killed Assad in no time. Israeli war planes buzzed over Assad’s palace many times without being detected. Don’t lie because we have lie-detectors here.
Alex
July 19, 2012 at 8:00 pm
I hear the alarm whenever I read you saying to believe him its islamist’s hasabra
Khalid Amayreh
July 18, 2012 at 11:01 pm
sorry, the DNA tests are intended to establish the identity of the boy’s father, not mother.
fool me once...
July 19, 2012 at 12:30 am
Khalid, the more you write and insult, the more obvious it becomes, that you are a nasty zionist mouthpiece. Your turn of phrase alone exposes you. A combination of eldon essence and cosmo crap is plainly detected in your posts.
Khalid Amayreh
July 18, 2012 at 11:07 pm
The Shiits of Iblis are trying to make nefarious murderers and child killers look like heroic martyers?
That alone illustrates the criminal and irrational discourse of these people.
Jonathon Blakeley
July 19, 2012 at 5:20 pm
K, Why are you so filled with hate for Shiites? What they done to you?
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Jonathon are you nuts ???? Do you really want K to explain it all over again?
Everyone is trying to calm things down on the site and move beyond sectarian differences and you go and ask a question like that.
Desist !
Laura Stuart
July 18, 2012 at 11:09 pm
https://womenundersiegesyria.crowdmap.com/main
Documenting rape cases in Syria
Khalid Amayreh
July 18, 2012 at 11:24 pm
The heretic regime of Bashar Asaad will soon become a thing of the past. Amen
who_me
July 18, 2012 at 11:37 pm
deliberation
between laura stuart and khalid amayreh, the site is turning into wall to wall silliness and solars/mathis style spamming. look at the comments listing to the right. i’m curious how this can be considered a beneficial new development. somebody is working rather hard to wreck the site.
i think you’ve been had.
Laura Stuart
July 18, 2012 at 11:40 pm
What is your contribution to this site who-me? continuous throwing around of “you must be gay” and “your must be a zionist”.
who_me
July 18, 2012 at 11:52 pm
the whole point of that silliness your crew is spamming is to get everyone bickering and posting rubbish. i’ve seen how you guys would do this on other sites and turn them into pissing matches.
if you can turn the site into another hasbara outlet, you work to wreck it and drive sensible people off.
who_me
July 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm
“if you can turn the site into another hasbara outlet”
if you cant turn the site into another hasbara outlet
deLiberation
July 19, 2012 at 9:45 am
I am here..
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 8:21 am
Who – me I repeat your comments are extremely juvenile and mostly insults repeated over and over again.
I do not have “a crew” I post information which I find interesting related to the Syrian situation as I find it sometimes on twitter. Sometimes I don’t comment for days or weeks.
The only people who are bringing this site down are yourself with your “gay” “hasbara agent” “zionist” name throwing and the posters who hold hate in their hearts for Sunni Muslims.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 8:30 am
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 8:21 am
“I do not have “a crew”
your slander matches that of jay and khalid, so does the timing of it.
fool me once...
July 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm
That’s a bit pot and kettle coming from you Laura. Come on you’ve got to admit Khalid’s gone well over the top with the bullshit insults. Don’t you agree that there appears to be more than one person posting under Khalid’s name? Yeah it’s been funny reading the stereotypical religious ranting, but come on, even searching got told to cool it and she was far less virulent.
who_me
July 18, 2012 at 11:48 pm
see also this comment on the iran-assad-uses-israel-as-red-herring-to-spread-shiite-hegemony thread
fool me once…
July 18, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Khalid, there appears to be two or more people commenting from your computer. The last two above posts;
July 18, 2012 at 10:11 pm and
July 18, 2012 at 10:18 pm are 7mins apart yet are significantly different in style, competency in spelling and grammar. Tell the truth, is there more than one of you posting under the name Khalid? If so, that’s pretty lame. You have to think up your own insults man, or your friends need to log in, there is a civilised way of doing things you know.
several people using the same nick is a common spamming technique used used by hasbarabots.
Jonathon Blakeley
July 19, 2012 at 5:23 pm
its called self regulation, it doesnt always work.
Khalid Amayreh
July 18, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Who-me, those throwing insults at others
shall expose themselves to effrontry.
Every insult you throw at people, whom you call gays Zionist quislings, sons of whore, etc. Will be propelled back on you. (is this how your Shiite mother raised you, with a mouth full of shit)?
الظلم بالظلم والبادئ أظلم.
we will no longer tolerate your abuse of freedom of speech. Respect others if you want to be respected!
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 12:09 am
Did Imam Ali and Imam Hussein and Imam Mahdi teach you to call people you don’t know gay, Zionists and sons of Zionist whores?
I told you, you peopkle are bankrupt morally and religiously.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 12:22 am
alex
the logic behind the spamming of insults and bigotry that laura’s crew here (whoever is behind the khalid nick, etc.) is doing is so they can get arguments started and turn the site into a useless mudslinging fest. getting responses to their spam is the whole reason they are doing it. it really doesn’t matter what one responds with, the damage is done because rather than discuss informative material, everybody is busing throwing rocks at each other, instead. the purpose behind that is it drives off people looking for info and prevents info being seen (because it’s buried under the mud).
ignoring their taunts neutralises their effect.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 12:36 am
I have more than a thousand Ytube videos showing the heresies, shameful pratices and promiscuities of the Shiites of iblis. If they don’t
desist from insulting us, I shall upload them. Respect us, we respect you. Isn’t that fair enough?
fool me once...
July 19, 2012 at 1:31 am
“I shall upload them.”
Try it sunshine and see what’ll happen.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 12:45 am
OK, I challenge you to ignore us, at least by refraining from insulting other people.
Remember, I had to intervene in this acrimony after you scraled dozens of insulting messages.
You have a right to laud the criminal regime in Damascus, but you don’t have the right to call its critics “GAY, zionist, sons of Zionist whore, etc.”
Do you think we are enjoying spending our precious time resonding to gallimaufries?
Barb Weir
July 19, 2012 at 12:51 am
We’re fortunate that our interaction is electronic. Imagine the insults if we could smell each other!
fool me once...
July 19, 2012 at 1:20 am
“Do you think we are enjoying…”
There’s that Damian ” WE ” again! Tut tut, a silly billy show us yer willy mistake!
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“OK, I challenge you…”
That’s classic arrogant mathis. You’re acting like a big daft kid, grow up!
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“…but you don’t have the right to call its critics…”
How contradictory, the High Priestess of Abuse flapping on about the “abuse of freedom of speech.”
bilal
July 19, 2012 at 1:13 am
There is no revolution in Syria, only sunni majority kingdoms and NATO funded mercenaries , according to antiwar.com, and other observers.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/07/17/the-lies-we-tell/
And please refrain from sectarian hate and mysogny, we should all as Muslims condemn the international traficking of women , against their will, in Iran, Yemen,the West, or in the Gulf States. It is a shameful characteristic of modern “culture” all Muslims should condemn.
Barb Weir
July 19, 2012 at 1:29 am
Can we please also condemn the international trafficking of children, men and those who identify as both or neither. In addition, I don’t think it matters whether it’s against their will or with their consent, or whether it occurs in Iran, Yemen, the West, the Gulf States, the East, the South, the North or elsewhere. Also whether it’s sectarian hate or non-sectarian hate and misogyny or misanthropy or misandrogyny. Or whether it’s we as Muslims or we as Christians or we as Jews or we as Buddhists or we as Animists or we as Shinto or we as agnostics or we as atheists. Does that cover it?
bilal
July 19, 2012 at 3:42 am
Barb there is a cultural and religious difference of opinion on this matter of human traficking. Germans are quoted as estimating that 40,000 women were traficked into Germany for the world cup, and now expect an additional Christian-atheist importation of women into London for the Olympics in 2012. While some Buddhists , animists, and others condemn this cultural acceptance of traficking, it is widespread in the civilized west, and this certainly has to do somewhat with their religious or anti religious ideology, or perhaps u disagree >
Of course, Israel is a major center of traficking women for forced prostitution, consistent with their religious, idenity politics or lack of moral unversalism?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/court-convicts-4-israelis-of-heading-international-human-trafficking-ring-1.406977
Barb Weir
July 19, 2012 at 6:28 am
I don’t disagree with anything in your statement. My only question is why you limit your condemnation to sectarian hate and misogyny. Is sectarian hate and misogyny worse than nonsectarian hate and misogyny? Why not both? Why is trafficking not bad regardless of who commits it and regardless of who the victims are or where it takes place? And why mention whether it happens against the will of the victims? Are there any circumstances where it happens with their consent?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 2:04 am
who_me: I agree with one part of your statement entirely, namely this:
“the logic behind the spamming of insults and bigotry that laura’s crew here (whoever is behind the khalid nick, etc.) is doing is so they can get arguments started and turn the site into a useless mudslinging fest. getting responses to their spam is the whole reason they are doing it. it really doesn’t matter what one responds with, the damage is done because rather than discuss informative material, everybody is busing throwing rocks at each other, instead. the purpose behind that is it drives off people looking for info and prevents info being seen (because it’s buried under the mud).”
I do not agree with this:
“ignoring their taunts neutralises their effect.”
What I see instead is that K has highjacked deLib through posting his contributions which are nothing other than iterative messages of sectarian hate. If he posts a comment saying that shias are sons of whores and no one else replies, than Laura immediately post a “supporting” reply with a link on “rapes in Syria.” I fail to see why aema was not acceptable and this is.
I fail to see, irrespective of their ‘activist” credentials these two have to contribute that is in any way credibly positive for the continuing existence of this site as one that offers information of global interest and fosters interesting dialog in a civil manner. Spirited, direct and acute is one thing, bigoted, spamming insults is another.
It is strange to read laura questioning your contributions to this site when your links and comments contain more information than, frankly, ANY that I have been able to discern in hers.
I don’t think this site has a theological sunni vs shia debate as one of its profile feature, let alone the main one, and let alone the level at which it seems to be conducted by the likes of K, and if it plans to, then it should change its title and also allow all the Arabic quotes they seem to enjoy posting. (I realize it could not be all in Arabic because laura would be somewhat handicapped.)
I find the recent debasement of the dialog on this site a sad and worrisome development.
Barb Weir
July 19, 2012 at 2:26 am
I have to confess that I’m not sure I belong on a site where my contributions raise the standard.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 2:54 am
I agree, Groucho.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 2:32 am
Ariadna Theokopoulos
thanks
you’re probably right about ignoring the spam not being enough since if they stop getting the attention they want, they will usually bring on board “new” nicks or other members of the hasbara team to play different roles to keep the disruption going. the only way to stop the spamming is to block the spammers.
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 8:02 am
It’s chutzpah to say “I fail to see why aema was not acceptable and this is.”
I fail to see why aema was not acceptable and who_me is. who_me is the most prolific commenter, but his moronic comments consist entirely of insults. Yet you agree with him accusing others of ‘insults and bigotry’.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 8:12 am
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 8:02 am
“It’s chutzpah to say “I fail to see why aema was not acceptable and this is.”
I fail to see why aema was not acceptable and who_me is. who_me is the most prolific commenter, but his moronic comments consist entirely of insults. Yet you agree with him accusing others of ‘insults and bigotry’.”
you are really a sad person. but a really great example of jp mentality.
fool me once...
July 19, 2012 at 8:13 am
“but his moronic comments consist entirely of insults.”
Grasping at golden straws I see. Tut-tut!
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 8:26 am
Look above your comment, and you’ll see what I mean…
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 9:09 am
Surely the problem is that Adriana and Who-Me enjoyed reigning over the comments section for a long time, hunting down any commentator who did not agree with their views, hence views other than theirs were hardly visable on the site.
The nastiness started when K.A. posted articles on here which Who-me and Mabout did not agree with. At first there was no response from K.A. but the comments on his articles were vicious.
Non Muslims would not appreciate how very wrong it is for a commentator like Alex to invoke the curse of Allah on another Muslim, to me the hatred from Alex and a couple of others is shocking.
Who-me is just a hasbara troll sent to undermine any success that the Arab Spring might have had and to post anti Jewish comments so that this site can be seen by everyone as blaming everything that happens in the world as a Jewish plot.
As far as I know the editors have a free speech policy so we just have to wait for the insulters to run out of insults or get tired and grow up.
Adriana makes some very false assumptions in her post such as
“t is strange to read laura questioning your contributions to this site when your links and comments contain more information than, frankly, ANY that I have been able to discern in hers.”
Who me may have posted some useful info but the majority of posts are childish mud slinging and name calling.
““the logic behind the spamming of insults and bigotry that laura’s crew here (whoever is behind the khalid nick, etc.) is doing is so they can get arguments started and turn the site into a useless mudslinging fest.”
I do not have a crew and have never ever corresponded with K.A. Contrary to what Adriana is saying here K.A. did not reply for a long time to the many nasty comments under his articles and has only recently replied to the allegations made against him which has been pretty nasty. Again I say that Adriana and Who-me have had a long run on here posting what they like and gunning down anyone who doesnt agree with them. Now others are replying they assume that others are engaged in similar tactics to their own.
deLiberation
July 19, 2012 at 10:58 am
People who abuse comments will have all their comments moderated.
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 8:21 am
Ariadna: “I don’t think this site has a theological sunni vs shia debate…let alone the level at which it seems to be conducted by the likes of K…”
Surely it has to be neutral with regard to religious disputes. The editors can’t say which religious opinions are acceptable and which are not.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 8:26 am
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 8:21 am
Ariadna: “I don’t think this site has a theological sunni vs shia debate…let alone the level at which it seems to be conducted by the likes of K…”
“Surely it has to be neutral with regard to religious disputes. The editors can’t say which religious opinions are acceptable and which are not.”
that is some very pathetic spam in support of religious bigotry and hate incitement. but i guess it’s nothing new for you and your promotion of white supremacy elsewhere on this site. jp loves that stuff.
deLiberation
July 19, 2012 at 11:09 am
Exactly we don’t agree with all the stuff posted but do allow it for balance.
adnan
July 19, 2012 at 5:15 pm
By posting Wahhabi hate propaganda you might become another “Fair and balanced” news outfit.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I disagree. It may make you sound very open-minded and tolerant but not all that thoughtful on the issue at hand.
I don’t see why deLib should welcome ANY lengthy (<300 posts!!!) sectarian disputes, not shia/sunni, not Catholics/Presb/whatever, not orthodox/reformed judaism, simply because they will NEVER present sufficient interest for the readers I assume deLib targets.
The issue of USrael’s tactic of “divide et impera” is a legitimate topic, which can be discussed without pasting of any quotes in Arabic supposedly lifted from the Quran.
I also suggest that frequent and lengthy quotes in Arabic/Hebrew?Greek/Russian are pointless on an English-language site addressed to people who don’t even know the little Arabic that some posters might have acquired and are keen to display.
Furthermore I maintain that whoever wishes to encourage these disputes on deLib can only do so out of a political agenda, to divert attention from topics that ARE of interest to the majority.
Since it is not worth my spending 15 Euros to look for your other posts to me, I will reply here, as I recall your ‘beef’.
You said it is “chutzpah” on my part to suggest that aema was not acceptable but not to say that who_me is not either.
1. I cannot claim that my ability to assess chutzpah is as good as yours. So I leave that to your superior calculation experience. I shall evaluate deLib acceptability as I see it using the GG ((Gross Goyim) measurement system, unscientific, unfalsifiable and thus inferior, if it is not too offensive to you.
2. aema was in my opinion intolerable not because of ‘insults’ per se. I don’t think anyone here has such thin skin as to flinch at stuff like “anti-semite,” “stalinist” or even “moron,” “idiot,” etc. unpleasant as they may be
To me aema was constantly crossing the line by referring to people’s families, their personal life history (to the extent he could find it out), just as K made threats that he knows posters’ personal “details” and intends to report them for “terrorists threats.” That should not be tolerated.
I also find Laura’s obsession with finding out posters’ “real identity” unseemly, as if she is incapable of judging/replying to an opinion without knowing who expressed it. While that may be true in her case, it is still annoying and uncalled for.
who_me can be rough and even insulting when provoked, I know that because I have been on the receiving end of it once in a while, but he NEVER crosses the line into anything truly personal.
Despite your vivid enmity towards him, I imagine primarily because he has mercilessly ridiculed your aggressive insults to everyone who has refused to buy your cherished Boycutter’s Conspiracy theory, you would be less than objective if you denied that his postings are informative. Was there anything else?
He said, I believe, that you are a coward to post replies to me when you probably knew I’d be on vacation. It was a supposition on his part based on some logical infereces, which is hard for me to assess. I’ll give it a 50% chance of being true, but that’s by using my GG measuremnent, how’s that?
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 3:14 pm
The reason that deLiberation allowed so many comments is because of a belief in free speech.
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm
More chutzpah. Every one of your allegations against those who disagree with you, are more true of you. “Mercilessly ridiculed…”. Your toyboy hasn’t ‘ridiculed’ anything – he just comes out with insults like ‘white supremacist’ – Andrew Mathis was banned for calling you that. There are millions of people who don’t ‘buy’ ‘my cherished theory’, some of whom are not morons. Using the word ‘buy’ is a dishonest way of judging its value in advance. And the word ‘cherished’ is a sneaky way of implying that believing it would be possible for a group of Muslims to hijack aircraft using boxcutters needs a psychological explanation.
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 4:21 pm
That previous comment was for Ariadna, not you, Laura!
I agree that one should believe in free speech, but inevitably there are restrictions. For example, it’s illegal in the UK to publish racial hatred. Whatever the rules are, should be applied consistently. Andrew Mathis certainly stepped over the line, eg. calling Ariadna a ‘Jew-hating Nazi’. But he also contributed intelligent comments. ‘who_me’ ONLY posts insults, abuse, and false allegations of racism.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Such as this, this , this, this , this and this?
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 4:57 pm
OK, point taken. I hadn’t studied who_me’s work as religiously as you. In his vast number of posts, as well as insults, there are occasionally badly-written comments inaccurately plagiarised from various random sites, cited as if they are authoritative, littered with jargon: “zionazi”, “hasbara”, “jp” etc.. But mostly it’s insults and abuse, and never a coherent logical argument. Whereas Mathis managed the latter as well as the former. And Mathis was banned for one or two examples of what who_me does all day every day.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Jay Knott
instead of slandering people and insulting their views, why don’t you try an adult rebuttal? i’ve told you several times here that the reason you get flak is not for your views, but for the childish way you insult others who differ and for your refusal to engage in any meaningful debate with opposing views. calling someone a stalinist every time they disagree with doesn’t cut it among grown-ups.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 5:05 pm
btw, jay, if you miss mathis so much, you could always email him or call him. you don’t really need to bring him back here.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Roy Bard
thanks
your comments are always one of the site’s high points.
Jonathon Blakeley
July 19, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Finally someone sensible…. I agree ROY!!
Who_me is ok & he is not particularly abusive and he does contribute well in many ways.
Jay Knott
July 20, 2012 at 7:33 am
“Not particularly abusive”:
‘Zionazi’, ‘hasbara troll’, ‘white supremacist’, ‘pro-fascist establishment/pro-jewish views’, ‘jp mentality’… etc. etc. ad nauseam.
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
who_me
July 20, 2012 at 7:50 am
Jay Knott
July 20, 2012 at 7:33 am
“Not particularly abusive”:
“‘Zionazi’, ‘hasbara troll’, ‘white supremacist’, ‘pro-fascist establishment/pro-jewish views’, ‘jp mentality’… etc. etc. ad nauseam.
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.”
i believe i also wrote you constantly whine like a spoiled, public school girl to the point of nausea. you insult people here and then cry and carry on interminably after they get annoyed enough to start insulting you. grow up.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 5:32 pm
“More chutzpah.”
I take your word for it.
” Every one of your allegations against those who disagree with you, are more true of you.”
Every one…. IS… not are. When you get mad you don’t get cute, just sloppier with grammar.
“insults like ‘white supremacist’ – Andrew Mathis was banned for calling you that.”
Tut, tut, it was for little me? Don’t say! If it were true, I’d be hmbled by the gift, although the head of aema on a platter is not among my top wished-for gifts to receive.
I don’t know why he was banned but I can think of other, more serious grounds. Apparently you are more informed, as you are on everything.
Yu got one thing right:
“believing it would be possible for a group of Muslims to hijack aircraft using boxcutters needs a psychological explanation.”
You shorten it to make it more believable but we all know which “group of muslims” and which “aircrafts” and yes, you got that right, hence the richly deserved ridicule. You should have become used to that kind of a reception to the Boxcutter Boys’ theory by now, Jay, unless you usually live in a protected environment.
Jay Knott
July 20, 2012 at 7:22 am
Ariadna cannot back up her arguments. I point out that her “nudge nudge, wink wink, boxcutter boys, ha ha” sarcasm is not an explanation of the September 11th attacks, and she just carries on using it as if it is.
I don’t know whether I prefer the glassy-eyed truther approach, where someone says something like “when you know about the collapse of WTC7, you know the official story is a pack of lies”, in a tone which suggests that you’d better not disagree. It’s more scary, but more sincere. On balance, I think I prefer the Ariadna style – less honest, but more intelligent. That’s just my bias.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 20, 2012 at 10:02 am
“Ariadna cannot back up her arguments.”
What ‘arguments”?!
Jay, did I ever say:
“Roquefort, despite its high fat content, crumbles, Jay. There is no way Roquefort, or for that matter Stilton or Bleu d’Auvergne, even in a large mass, could have sufficient centripetal force to hold it together in the Moon’s rotation’s orbit. Furthermore, Jay, there is no way that 14 (or even 19) Arab astronauts could collide with it with sufficient force to make those large splatter stains we from Earth, No, jay, for my money it is Provolone or Parmigiano Romano all the way.” I NEVER said that.
Jay, don’t confuse Monty Python with a popularized science lecture on TV. There was no ““nudge nudge, wink wink,” Jay, it was more like raucous laughter.
As for the cutsey part: “:I prefer the Ariadna style – less honest, but more intelligent.” I admit I am a sucker for compliments and flattery. It is perhaps for that alone, that I prefer you to .. .(I won’t name the sectarian for fear he appears when invoked). He doesn’t know how to please, like you, he only horrifies.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 5:42 pm
For the record when aemathisphd wrote that he had already been told that his account was disabled. He discovered that he could still post and just carried on with the behaviour.
alex
July 19, 2012 at 2:46 am
Nasralla: “They were rockets from Syria and transferred through Syria”
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 2:55 am
for whom are you posting this, honestly?
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 8:55 am
Well Adrian the free speech policy on deliberation has exposed a lot of hatred and whilst some people accuse others of sectarianism they themselves are fuelling it constantly.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 7:46 am
Every tyrannical regime under the sun considers opponents, including true freedom fighters, terrorists, armed gangs, and mercenaries. Syria is no exception.
And 90% of the revolutionaries are actually army defectors who have seen their relatives murdered and raped by the regie’s sectarian army and shabbiha thugs. What would anyone if he was on their place?
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 7:53 am
Alex even if Assad liberated Jerusalem from Israeli hands, this still would not give him the right to murder his own people and destroy their cities and rape their women.
As I said elsewhere, Staline repulsed Nazi Germany, but in the 1930s, he murdered more than 15 million Ukrainians, in addition to many others.
No government has the right to murder its people, even in the name of sovereignty.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 8:02 am
“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
remember, people have feelings, too.
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 10:31 am
Good riddance to Omar Suleiman the CIA’s man in Cairo and torturer in chief.
Inna Lillahi wa Inna Lillahi rajioon
alex
July 19, 2012 at 11:11 am
Syian TV warn Syrians that:
Syrian Terrorists wearing Republic Quard uniform, may commit massacres against civilians, to claim that its commited by republic guards.
In Doha, they are preparing for Tripoli Sinario, eyewitnesses have seen people wearing Syrian army Uniform, near fake models of some building in Damuscus, Allepo and Lathikiya.
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 11:24 am
I think the term “terrorist” no longer represents anything meaningful.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 12:01 pm
It is inconceivable that freedom fighters in Syria would kill their own relatives. In order to be believed, a lie should at least have some credibility and logic.
Besides, why is it that only Sunni children and civilians are massacred???????
The killers are indeed sectarian thugs working for the regime,
Alex
July 19, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Ariadna asked “for whom are you posting this, honestly?”
Honestly, its addressed to everybody, expose the lies of the sectarian couple.
I puplished most of Laura’s material, untill her post What About Syria?
and her comment on my site where she claimed that “Success will never come from deviant“
laura stuart said…
She knows that “deviant” Hezbollah forced “Israel” to leave south Lebanon in 2000 without condtions and “peace” treaty, and that Hezbullah defeated it on July 2006,
Following the steps of Hezbollah, Sunni Hamas, did the same in Gaza, forced Sharon to to leave Gaza without conditions and without recognizing the zionist entity, then stopped the 2008,2009 invasion.
In both Lebanon, and Gaza, Syria was a partner in both victories.
Because most of the people including Israelis, except sectarians, admire Nasrallah, and trust what he say, I posted the link to his yesterday’s speech.
Mosaylami Amayereh ( Mosaylama claimed to be a prophet, since then people call a liar a Musaylama)
wrote yesterday that nasrallah is a liar, because he revealed that Assad’s Syria was not only a partner in July war victory, but a partner in foiling Zionist invading Gaza. he revelled that Gaza has become a real threat, and could push1.5 million Zionist into shelters. He revealed that Gaza Arms and Rockets are syrian made, and asked if saudia, or Eygpt did smuggled the arm to Gaza? Hinting that it is Hezbullah cells (not only the cuptured one) who did that.
I can imagine how Mosaylama felt after hearing Nasrallah, how Nasrallah speach, shreded all his and Laura’s Haabra, and set the record straight.
So I wanted the readers to know fact revealed for the first time about what Syria did and in particular what the three Imads did for resistance, and to know why they were killed and by whome.
Mosaylama asked why Usrael would want Assad out who never shot a bullet since 1973 war.
Mosaylama ignored that for every Syrian, though its not declared lebabon and Palestine from Sea to river and beyond the river (Jordan) is a Syrian Land. Firing a bullet from Gollan hights may lead to war at the wrong time, while firing thousand of rockets from Lebanon or Gaza is somthimg else.
In short, Kissinger said after 1973 war. No war without Egypt and no Peace without Syria. As an Uprooted Palestinian Syria by refusing to bow like Sadat did is a great thing Syria did. In 2000, 2006 and 2008/2009, Syria updated Kissinger’s formulla:
NO PEACE WITHOUT SYRIA, WAR IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT EGYPT.
Thanks to deviant Iran
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 2:19 pm
My question stands. As far as I can ascertain no one on this site needs any more convincing that K&L uphold a sectarian hate position. From this point on, any more posting from your side is beyond useless.
No half-awake and non-tendentious non-muslim needs any disquisition on the religious disputes between sunnis and shias to understand how the ME cookie crumbles under zionist pressure, manipulation and aggression, despite the fog of hasbara in the MSM.
By accepting that you have said all that can be said on the subject and will not let yourself be tempted by any further postings form K & L to reenter the carousel of postings that can (and probably have already) diminish the interest of the site for all the rest of us, you will have shown what the other side seems to lack entirely: restraint and respect for everyone else.
etominusipi
July 19, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Khalid wrote
most Shiites don’t know their fathers, because their mothers slept with hundreds of men
in contemporary English the word most, though to some extent quantitatively indefinite, its use certainly implies a substantial majority.
Khalid’s statement therefore implies
70% or more Shiites don’t know their fathers, because their mothers slept with hundreds of men
i think (despite Khalid’s fascinating digression into military prostitution, which is an unpleasant phenomenon not restricted to any particular sect or cult) this must be a very exaggerated claim.
if so, then the assertion is
either
(1) a grotesque slander,
or
(2) betrays an astounding ignorance of fact.
in either case someone who habitually writes in this way must be assessed as an reliable source of information.
(NB for hasbara trolls and anyone else who has genuine difficulties with applied logic permit me to point out that to say someone is unreliable is not the same as saying all his assertions are false).
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 1:32 pm
“in either case someone who habitually writes in this way must be assessed as an reliable source of information.”
You meant unreliable, right?
etominusipi
July 19, 2012 at 1:36 pm
an unreliable source…
tho i doubt if the meaning was confused by most people.
by the way, Mr Admin, why can’t i edit a recently posted comment? is there a way that i just don’t know. my OCD makes typos hard to live with. i’m getting better at it, but need someone like me suffer in this way?
since i also find navigation back to previous comments a somewhat obscure process, unless they are very recent, if there is a useful answer to this question of correcting typos, please communicate it to me by some more certain method.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 1:39 pm
apologies – I did realise that it was a typo – but it confused me at first…..
Jay Knott
July 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Use your favourite text editor to write your comment, edit it carefully, copy and paste it into the comment box, voila!
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Jay,
are you really unaware that your remark is unhelpful – it merely exhibits a superior attitude, without answering the actual question.
i will spell it out
how does one edit comments after posting.
this feature Jonathon has now added – looks like a bit tricky software-wise, so well done.
however i don’t know how to do it yet. i would like a clue. please.
Jonathon Blakeley
July 19, 2012 at 5:37 pm
We could add that feature in to allow editing of comments.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I think it would be useful to allow people to edit their own comments for a short while after they had been posted.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 5:44 pm
bean able too edditting conments wood be koul.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 5:50 pm
your jest sayin it cause you kent spell worth a batik
Jonathon Blakeley
July 19, 2012 at 6:26 pm
ok log back in comments should editable for registered users.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 6:31 pm
fantastic, thanks.
edit#1
and a spelling checker, as well.
edit#2
it looks like one can edit other’s comments. i didn’t test it, but it’s probably not a good idea to let people edit other people’s comments.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 6:37 pm
No, its a very bad idea……
and yet it can be done
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 6:46 pm
No, not a good idea editing other people’s comments except by another post… but deleting them, whole kilometers of them, now that’s tempting…
Just kidding A little
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 6:51 pm
You are still here ????
OOOOoh – I see – it says request DELETION ! I read it as detonation…… ooh well
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 6:49 pm
terrific, thanks, Jon
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
THOSE WHO CURSE and vilify the religious symbols of Sunni Muslims must expect a reaction.
Thse who call others “gay, son of Zionist whore, Zionit quizling and Zionist agents” should expect a reaction. Remember fence is not low that anyone can jump over.
Those who knowingly and deliberately embrace the genocidal sectarian regime in Damascus shouldn’t expect to find understanding and sympathy from honest people, irrespective of religion and etnicity,
We don’t live on a distant planet; we watch what is happenig in Syria. It is a sectarian genocide by the Shiites of Iblis again unarmed and innocent citizens. And we have fans for the murderous regime here.
The overnment of Syria is supposed to provide protection for its citizens, instead it is slaughtering them en mass just because they want to be free from this nefarious Nazi-like regime. And the genocide is assuming Nazi proportions.
etominusipi: my remarks may have contained some exaggeration, but this doesen’t mean that they were void of veracity.
Maybe you are not fully aware of that phenomenon which is rampant in many Shiite communities. Also, you should remember the context in which my remarks were made.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 2:41 pm
I probably should have used “many” instead of “most” but I still stand by the gist of my remarks. I do have the courage to self-right myself. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have chosen journalism as my career.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Ariadna Theokopoulos: by embracibng the sectarian genocidal regime in Syria, it is you not anyone else who is showing his religious sectarian credentials.
You support the cutthroats in Syria, because the killers are Shiites and the victims are Sunni. You are guilty of identifying yourself with a criminal, murderous and nefarious regime.
This is ot an academic matter. This is genocide.
I don’t cstigate Shiites because of their religion, I am not God to hold people to aacount. I castigate them because they happen to be involved in crimes against humanity, because they murder hundreds of people per day, rape many women!
Perhaps, you enjoy the scene; but we can’t pretend that this is only a theatre.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm
“You support the cutthroats in Syria, because the killers are Shiites and the victims are Sunni.”
Do you have any evidence to back up this astounding claim?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Over deranged accusations I can only scroll over. It is, however, regrettable, I will say this much, that posters who make them are allowed to continue posting.
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Perhaps Ariadna you might have to accept – like I have to accept, that neither you nor I choose who gets to post or comment on deLiberation.
Although I do actually have editorial access I have never used it to curtail anyones right to free speech, I left it entirely to the other editors to monitor, even if I have expressed to the other editors my displeasure and discomfort with the direction that things go sometimes.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 3:43 pm
“as I have to accept” not “like I have to accept”
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Good idea – stick to marking my comments for grammatical and spelling errors rather than making false claims about what I am supposed to have said.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm
I have chosen the easier task, I admit.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 2:58 pm
……….and he or she that throws the ready-made canard of “zionist, gay, quisling and traitor” in the face of those having a different oinion, must have be a reliable source???????
etominusipi: sorry you wouldn’t make an honest judge.
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Khalid, (or should i say, O Khalidim! ?), the comment you quote from (vide supra) – was it about an onion?) – was not from me, though i rather like the word ‘quisling’, which sounds like a little bird and rhymes with ‘chiselling’.
as for honest judges, in England this is not possible as judges have to prove their honesty at the freemasonic ceremonies which sanctify their appointment.
in Amerika it is constitutionally possible, but very rare. the redoubtable Gordon Duff makes an interesting observation on supreme court ‘judge’ Scalia:
Bush “Put” Into Office By This Delusional Moron
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
“If you wonder why you hear America’s budget to fight white collar crime was cut 80%, why two illegal wars were started, why 9/11 fairy tales have done so well, why our freedoms disappeared so quickly, this man makes it obvious…”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/20/scalia-mob-boss-judge-brags-about-rigging-presidential-election/
however, despite a difficult start in this matter due to aspergers, which brings an excessive naivety, i have, after many decades of instruction by my sheikh, become a passable judge of character. i use the simplified method, based on his saying:
by their fruits ye shall know them…
it is a test designed for idiots, obviously. luckily, i am an idiot, but that is very different from being a fool. to apply the fruits test requires a certain purity of heart, which makes it unsuitable for sophisticated people as also for sectarians and many other human tribes.
by the way, it is regrettable that this requires emphasis, but
etominusipi supports no regime anywhere in this created universe or, indeed, in any other/
i recognise only One authority. my family are those who seek to know the Divine Purpose more deeply, who seek to be more compassionate and tolerant, who struggle for truth and justice, who grow in delight at the many miracles and innocent wonders which abound in our wonderful world despite the trials and tribulations of Life which are inevitable to all creatures who must participate in the Struggle for Existence..
i respect all/b> creation qua creation, but i also understand the purpose served by the existence of evil.
evil is not there to be respected or loved, though one must sometimes take one’s hat off to the ingenuity of some of its techniques. such admiration is brief, for all too soon one remembers its victims. evil exists for one purpose, and one purpose only, it is there to be overcome. overcoming evil, in our own nature, and in the human world, is the primary engine of the spiritual development of humankind.
the allies of evil are many, including the temptation to deadly sin, and manifest as qualities such as willful misunderstanding, cruelty, deceit…i am sure you could make as good a list as i.
evil wins over any attempt to combat it with its own weapons. that is why it must be overcome. at present, Laura seems to have trouble with this. she thinks evils should be opposed with lashes, the hangman’s noose, tanks and nuclear weapons. especially the evil of destroying <copies of sacred books. may her understanding be enlarged.
the true battle against evil takes place on what some call the inner plane
certainly evil, and its baneful consequences, seem to surround us on all sides, but this is an exaggerated perception natural to our lowly place in the scheme of things and to that perpetual unruliness in human nature which is the necessary condition for the emergence of free will.
in Reality, even in this present material reality, evil is infinitesimal. it is a slight flicker of electricity in the brains of some apes. everything else, atoms, rivers, birds, planets,… is absolutely obedient to the commands of Almighty God.
Peace to you.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 21, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Beautiful.
I’ve been told I am an idiot too and now I think I may have asperger’s since I employ a similar method: by their posts ye shall know them.
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 3:07 pm
It is clear that on theological issues we have to agree to disagree.
Those who care nothing for the human rights of the Palestinian people in Syria or for the will and the human rights of the majority of the Syrian people have exposed themselves for their lack of humanity.
Those who believe that some people are so terribly stupid that they cannot see manipulation in the mainstream media are entitled to believe what they like and bask in their self righteous glow of perceived intellectual superiority.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm
And those capable of making the judgment expressed in the first paragraph should have been able to make it more than 300 posts ago. Still, better late than never.
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 3:17 pm
So show me my comments on theological issues? Beyond saying that I believe that Shiaism is a deviant sect I personally have not involved myself in the discussion over the religious differences between the two.
0/10 for knowing what you are talking about.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 19, 2012 at 3:39 pm
“So show me my comments on theological issues? ”
You seem to have a hard time understanding that I do not wish to feed you even the smallest pretext for you to continue this site-killing exercise. Do try though.
You seem to have a hard understanding that since nobody cares what your opinions are on these topics, you would show consideration for everyone else by taking it all into an private e-mail discussion between you and your favorite author. Do try though.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 3:27 pm
If firing a bullet at Israel may klead to war at the wrong time, one might wonder when the “right” time will come about?
Ibn Al-Lqami should tell us: when the Shiites o Iblis have killed six million Syrians and raped and murdered another six million Syrian women???
NOTHING, nothing under the sun would justify the pornographic sectarian genocide that is taking place in Syria now, neither Assad’s support for Hizbullah, nor Assad’s support for Hamas, nor even the liberation of Jerusalem would justify or even mitigate the ongoing genocide.
Satan, himself is yet to devise the proper punisghment for the murderer of a child.
Perhaps Ibn al Alqami can’t understand this language. I don’t expect him to.
Laura Stuart
July 19, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Anyone, if it be American propping up Mubarak or NasrAllah giving words of support to Assad, who supports a dictator who has turned his troops on his own people is unworthy of respect.
NasrAllah had the respect of the majority if not all Sunnis until he started supporting Assad.
For myself I really do not care for any of the self proclaimed self imposed corrupt leaders and tyrants if they do not rule, or intend and work towards ruling by the Shariat Allah as clearly no success will ever be found in secularism, materialism, consumerism, marxism, communism or any other thing with an ism on the end.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Boy-Bard: We don’t need an evisence, you people are embracing the Hitler of Damascus soul and heart, and you gang up like ferocious animkals on anyone trying to be a voice for the voiceles victims. You also nonchallantly and shamelessly call the victims “mercenaries and terrorists” without any iota of evidence.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 3:44 pm
“You also nonchallantly and shamelessly call the victims “mercenaries and terrorists” without any iota of evidence”
Do you have any evidence to back up this astounding claim?
Its easy to throw around insults – but no-one is going to take you seriously if you make claims that you can’t back up.
Now please try to calm down and explain what it is you mean by “you people” – who exactly is embracing the “Hitler of Damascus” (sic) and who called the “victims” ‘mercenaries and terrorists”.
And if you cannot provide evidence that I have done any of those things, then feel free to apologise for implicating me in it.
Thanks
Jonathon Blakeley
July 19, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Well said Roy, all this thread is descending into the gutter. Khalid we are not here to censor you but perhaps you could be little more considered in your use of words, Which seem to many inappropriate, & without evidence.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I had written numerous articles in suuport of Hizbullah and Iran, most of which are still posted on Shiite SITES.
However, in light of Hezbullah’s embrace of the genocidal regime in Damascus, as a matter of morality and honesty, we just can’t sell our souls to the devil and ignore the atrocities that we see on tv ON A DAILY BASIS.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 3:57 pm
“There is no revolution in Syria, only sunni majority kingdoms and NATO funded mercenaries , according to antiwar.com, and other observers.”
By Bilal
And by “you” I didn’t mean you “boy Bars”. I think you are a recent new commer here. Welcome,
By you I meant the pro-Assad gang.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I’ve been around from the beginning of this site and I’m not a boy.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm
When “you” means someone else then it is hard to take anything that is written by you seriously.
For the record I have no time whatsoever for Assad, and in no way, shape of form do I support Western intervention in Syria’s internal affairs. I find it impossible to work out what is really happening in Syria because I have a deep distrust of the mainstream media.
Looking at antiwar.com I see that in the lead story they have 3 quotes:
1) ”Instead of calming the opposition down, some of our partners are inciting it to go on,” said Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister.
2) “I think what we’re seeing is an opposition which is emboldened, clearly an opposition with access increasingly to weaponry.” ( British Defense Minister Philip Hammond)
3) “The ongoing provision of arms to the Syrian government and to its opponents feeds additional violence.Any further militarization of the conflict must be avoided at all costs.” (UN rights chief Navi Pillay)
and claim that:
All of which suggest that the situation in Syria is being exacerbated by external forces.
All all of the quotes and claims lies?
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm
The genocidal sectarian bloodbath in Syria is rooted in the regime’s hysterical efforts to remain in power. It is telling the peope, literally, either I stay in power or I burn down Syria and exterminate its people. إما الاسد او نحرق البلد
The issue is not foreign intervension, we all reject foreign intervention.
The issue is simply a genocide is going on, and it has got to step.
All other issuea being raised are just distractions or red herring.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Jon, I hope you direct the same advice to others, unless you don’t see what I see.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Boy-Bard: when a tyrannical regime is slaughtering its own helpless people because they want to be free from tyranny and dictatorship, and you reject foreign intervention, it means in real terms that you are giving the regime a green light to exterminate the people.
So, you must have been against Nato intervention in Bosnia, which would mean, the Serbs should have fnished off the Muslims.
There is no other interetation.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Sorry – I thought you said it was a revolution – now you’re suggesting its a ploy to get other states to get rid of Assad.
Which is it?
Also – if they have arms then how are they defenceless?
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm
KA: ” when a tyrannical regime is slaughtering its own helpless people because they want to be free from tyranny and dictatorship, and you reject foreign intervention, it means in real terms that you are giving the regime a green light to exterminate the people.”
Is this Syrian activist also “giving the regime a green light to exterminate the people.”?
You see, like her I don’t trust America, or Britain or Turkey to act in the interest of anyone other than their own ruling classes. I certainly don’t trust them to act in the interests of ordinary Syrians.
In Libya they simply replaced one murderous regime with another murderous regime. But let me guess, you personally support the new murderous regime.
Am I correct?
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Boy-Bard, it is me then who have not been here from the very inception, it is your turn to welcone me!!
fool me once...
July 19, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Khalid, come on man, Roy is showing you respect and engaging with you in a way that allows you to express your opinion freely. The only caveat being that the discourse be insult free as best as possible, otherwise moderation will commence forthwith. So start by calling him Roy, Roy Bard or RB as he refers to you as KA or Khalid. Try harder Khalid
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Deliberation, I think,shouldn’t allow brazen propaganda, such as the piece on the meeting between Khalid Mishal and President Morsi.
in Cairo today.
Referring to Morsi as America’s man is childish to say the very least. It degrades rhe level of this podium.
Let us give the man a chance, just because he is Sunn doesn;t mean he is bad.
who_me
July 19, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 8:24 pm
“Deliberation, I think,shouldn’t allow brazen propaganda”
i agree. deliberation should turn all its moderation over to khalid so he can ok what is true and what is propaganda. in fact, all posts should require khalid’s prior approval before they can be posted. this is sure to root out all the propaganda.
just like with palestinian groups controlled by jewish azz, deliberation needs to be reigned in and put under strict supervision by knowledgeable and responsible people who know what is right and wrong. and more importantly, who know who the anti-semites are and are brave enough to ban them.
those who insist upon reposting previously blocked propaganda should be thoroughly data mined and their personal details, along with their propaganda, handed over to the local authorities that handle bad people for prosecution. of course, it goes without saying, copies of these reportings should be sent to mossad with the daily deliberation log of events.
fool me once...
July 19, 2012 at 9:53 pm
@teni briel – I’ll take it as a given that you are familiar with the phrase;
“Two jews, three opinions.”
I put it to you that some of the veracity of that phrase rests on the fact that jews actively prevent non-jews from having theirs on JP. The non-jews got threatened and suckered into giving up their opinion and use the spare one the jews have given them. Engage with people, don’t be afraid, I’m sure your views and opinions are interesting and will provoke discussion.
moderator
July 19, 2012 at 10:02 pm
“I’m sure your views and opinions are interesting and will provoke discussion.”
Not here they won’t. He has been banned and keeps registering under new names. His MO is to start posting with an attack on one of the deLiberation team.
fool me once...
July 19, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Fair do’s, I was trying a different approach, trying to steer him away from the insults. Ok, I hear ya mod.
Fack you teni briel, brite line, neil brite, bert liine, tribe line, trib line etc, and don’t come back >:(
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm
he hasn’t actually used my suggestion inert bile yet. too near the knuckle?
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 9:56 pm
I disagree with you, BB, the Syrian revolution was totally peaceful in the first six months, but the regime repressed the peaceful protester like any fascit regime would, killing and maiming thousands.
The Syrian regime is an esoteric cultic police state, based on state terror, nepotism, favoritism and cronyism and especially sectarianism.
Anyone aspiriing for freedom of speech or democracy is arrested, tortured or murdered. Fear and terror rule Syria.
So, the people had to defend themselves, hence the defections.
This is not a international conspiracy, it is a people, long tormented by a cultic sectarian regime, wanting to be free. And the regime is using its vast military to crush them.
Why can’t you understand this? It is wrong for honest human beings to give tyrants and sinister dictators the benefit of the doubt, no matter how much one hates the US and western imperialism.
Roy Bard
July 19, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Who is BB?
And who is giving ‘ tyrants and sinister dictators the benefit of the doubt’?
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm
a police state, based on state terror, nepotism, favoritism and cronyism and especially sectarianism
unlike other ‘Muslim’ regimes, then.
it worked well in the Soviet Union – so well, indeed, that the Land of the Free is increasingly adopting the same model. that is why the government there is crawling with zionist advisers.
like charity, regime change begins at home, it seems. there is indeed a gratifying symmetry here.
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Then in the name of national sovereignty, a terrorist state might then murder its own people in the millions if they belonged to the “wrong” sect? This is what is happening in Syria?
Besides, the Shiites who object to international involvement in Syria, implored and begged the US and Nato to intervene against Saddam Hussein?
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 10:05 pm
In the name of national sovereignty, a terrorist state might then murder its own people in the millions if they belonged to the “wrong” sect? This is what is happening in Syria?
Besides, those who now object to international involvement in Syria, implored and begged the US and Nato to intervene against Saddam Hussein?
Khalid Amayreh
July 19, 2012 at 10:14 pm
In order not to degrade the level of discussion, ignorant posts and propaganda garbage shouldn’t be accepted. Otherwise, we do injustice to reason and intelligence. We are supposed to have intelligent minds, not a marketplace of all sorts of views, informed or otherwise.
Paul Eisen
July 20, 2012 at 8:19 am
But Khalid, doesn’t everyone think their opponents’ arguments are ” ignorant” and “propaganda garbage” whereas their own are full of “reason and intelligence”?
Alex
July 20, 2012 at 5:10 am
My reading between the lines degrades the level of discussion; his lies and his Zionist propaganda enrich the discussion. My “garbage shouldn’t be accepted”, His smart disinformation on Shiites theology, and Iran begging Nato invention in Iraq, should be accepted and hailed or otherwise.
“Referring to Morsi as America’s man is childish to say the very least. It degrades the level of this podium.”
Calling Nasrallah a liar upgrades the level of this podium.
Who said being a Sunni is bad, and being a Shiite is good? Shiite Aqil Hashim, of Lebanese southern army was killed by his Shiite fellows of Hezbollah.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 20, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Are you still at it?
Is there an equivalent Arab expression for “pissing in the wind”?
Khalid Amayreh
July 20, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Idenfying with a decidedly criminal regime can be interpreted in two ways, blind sectarianism, which is the case in the Syrian situation, or being inculcated in criminality and immorarlity.
I don’t belong to a sect, I am the son of 1500 million Muslims, I don’t curse the symbols of Islam who gave us the faith, I don’t codone, like you do, the massacres of innocent Muslims because they belong to the “wrong” sect.
You claim to support Assad, the butcher of Syria, for Palestine, but it is Assad thugs who are slautering Palestinians at the refugee camps in Syria, just as Shiite henchmen are doing to Palestinians in Baghdad.
It is important that we shoe committment to truth, not just to the anti-Zionist camp.
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm
the son of 1500 million Muslims! your mother was a Shiitess, perhaps? (a guess, based on your informative remarks about Muslim paternity.)
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm
It is a good idea not to keep opening up the chance to debate about sunni/shia religious differences.
If you want to understand what KA is saying you need to search for Mutaa marriage, something that was outlawed during the lifetime of the Prophet Mohammed s.a.w. therefore seen as haram and prostitution by sunnis.
Shia still use this form of marriage as they don’t accept it was outlawed, it is a temporary marriage, which the shia also look down on which you would quickly find out if you asked any shia if you can Mutaa with his sister.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%E2%80%98ah
Khalid Amayreh
July 20, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Hi Paul, there are certain levels of argumwnts that are decidedly ignorant, like calling your opponent “gay, Zionist agent, quisling, etc….a total absence of logic”
Paul Eisen
July 21, 2012 at 12:02 am
Well, I won’t now start digging but I reckon plenty of others at the moment (including yourself) are stooping to the same level.
It’s really sickening me and lots of others too so respectfully to you and to others: please pack it in.
Khalid Amayreh
July 20, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Ibn Al-alqami claims that supporting the murderous regime of Damascus is an expression of truth! What truth is there in voicing support for the killers of children, the rapists of women, and the decapitaters of babis….in order to create shock and awe among innocent civilians.
It is not an expression of truth, it is rather an expression of mental depravity, brutal ugliness, and moral bankruptcy.
Ib al-alqami is yet to make the slightest criticism of the Hitler of Damascus? so, is the whole world wrong, and only ibn al-Alqami is right?
Shame on the Shameless.
Khalid Amayreh
July 20, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Freedom of speech and freedom of the press is undoubtedly a good thing. However, freedom of expression should not lead to abusing this freedom by flooding the media of mass communications, including the internet, with brashly uninformed and explicity false and malicious materials such as those posted by the Shiite fanatic Alex.
This would really dilute any reasonable discourse. It is true that freedom of expression shouldn’t be muzzled. None the less, expressly mendacious views, uninformed and illogical views shouldn’t be given the same weight, aame status and same statue as genuine views.
After all, everyone should aspire for a higher level of discussion, discussions based on rectitude and honesty. Otherwise, anarchy and confusion will ensue.
Khalid Amayreh
July 20, 2012 at 9:57 pm
“Musaylama” was a false prophet who appeared following the death of the Prophet Muhammed. It was the Sunni Muslims, under the leadership of Abu Bakre, who crushed his schism. Hundreds of Muslims died supressing the revolt.
Interestingly, it is a must in the Shiite religion to curse Abu Bakr and Omar, even in their prayers.
And they claim they seek “Muslim unity”? How can Muslim unity be realized with a Shiite saying Abu Bakr my God’s curses be on him whereas the Sunni says Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him??????
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm
God, despite much propaganda to the contrary, is a liberal at heart. i am sure he is well-pleased with this diversity of opinion within the Umma concerning Abu Bakr (u.w.n.b.p)
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i should like to add a third, more neutral, point of view, which is that the benefits to be obtained from holding very definite views about persons in the distant past are often outweighed by the dangers posed by viewing such matters without any sense of historical perspective.
Khalid Amayreh
July 21, 2012 at 3:04 am
Paul, give evidence, don’t aspeak in overgeneralized manner.
who_me
July 21, 2012 at 3:22 am
i thought alcohol consumption was a no no?
who_me
July 21, 2012 at 3:25 am
scratch that comment and replace it with this one:
i thought it was only the evil shiites who drank alcohol?
Paul Eisen
July 21, 2012 at 7:32 am
Khalid,
I addressed my remarks to you, not because I thought you were notably at fault but because, having read your work over the years, I thought you might immediately see what I was talking about. If you need evidence, my guess is that you won’t so, again respectfully, we’d probably better leave it at that.
My own feeling is that the debate over Syria in particular and the Sunni/Shia divide (about which I know nothing and wouldn’t presume to have an opinion) in general, has been ill-tempered and abusive and I just hope it plays itself out soon.
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Paul, your puzzlement may be explained on the hypothesis someone put forward earlier that there is more than one Khalid. of course your observation does not prove the hypothesis correct, but it cannot be dismissed as irrelevant. it is evidential.
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Those who suggest that there may be more than one Khalid are merely showing their lack of experience in all things Arab – more specifically how Arabs boil over when they get Angry. Arabs have a tendency to become slighty effervescent.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 21, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Thanks for this moment of hilarity.
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 10:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9GrMxvH59s how the syrian army uses its down time.
An interesting article by a christian
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Columnist/2012/Jul-21/181417-syria-embodies-the-end-of-colonialism.ashx#axzz21F9jgtsR
I think deLiberation needs to have a more balanced selection of writers on Syria. Abdul Bari Atwan http://www.abdelbariatwan.com/Do%20the%20Doors%20to%20Hell%20lie%20in%20Syria.htm
fool me once...
July 21, 2012 at 11:57 am
@Laura
” how the syrian army uses its down time.”
Er, what was wrong with that. All looked pretty civilised, genuine and respectful to me.
Compare your link to this dramatised depiction of how the likely future invaders, will behave in their down time;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqkIYm3Hg9A
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 11:03 am
Also this article which gives an insight into how the alawite minority might be feeling.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/features/letters-from/syrias-alawite-refuge?page=show
If there was really “nothing happening” in Syria as some propaganda merchants like to proclaim then we would be seeing thousands of refugess flooding into the surrounding countries (except Israel of course)
Roy Bard
July 21, 2012 at 11:33 am
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 2:18 pm
why except Israel? this exceptionalism is blatant anti-semitism. you know Israel has always maintained, at a fantastic financial cost (met without protest from nearly every settler family), open border policy for anyone fleeing persecution and suffering anywhere in the world. indeed, if we are to believe Hollywood (and who doesn’t?) other worlds, parallel universes even. in this matter no nation is more benevolent and altruistic than Israel. when the Palestinians found themselves robbed and dispossessed of their land, people are only too willing to forget that it was the new nation of Israel which gave them a home in the occupied territories.
it was Israel which built a Wall to protect them. it is Israel which took costly steps to coirrect a phosphorus deficiency in the diet of the refugee children.
no sacrifice is too great for the gtenerous-hearted Israelis when it comes to the welfare of those less well-off than themselves.
that is why, in a recent poll in New York (which, for those ignorant of geography, is not in Israel) a healthy 47% of respondents voted Israel.
you don’t get most beloved nation status without money, blood, sweat and tears, a lot of tears, and, yes, some old East European schmuck scraping on his violin somewhere in the background.
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Well, you have got me stumped there – I mean what is the legal situation when a refugee has to flee the country who hosted him because of war and tries to go back to his homeland ? New laws will have to be made as to the legality of being a refugee in your own country.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE24/067/2012/en/2fcc3f25-7412-45a5-bccd-3d2a4f8b6c66/mde240672012en.html
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 21, 2012 at 4:04 pm
This is by far the best description of Israel I have read anywhere but, just because you are, as I’ve noted and you’ve admitted a few times, what the Spanish call a “detallista” (a man punctilious about details), please make it perfect by adding the word “technically” after the last bold face “not.”
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I forgot to put this link. As its ramadan and we are abstaining from food and drink from dawn until dusk which in the London is 1-10 a.m. until 9-06 p.m. it is easy to be distracted by the recipes for choc chip cookies at the bottom of the page.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=278364
I doubt any fleeing Syrians will make it to Israel least of all Palestinians
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 11:04 am
*wouldn’t
Khalid Amayreh
July 21, 2012 at 12:00 pm
what is the wrong with Iraqis, or Egyptians or even Turks fighting for the freedom and honor of Syria?
If Iranians, Lebanese and Iraqi Shiites have the right to fight Sunni Muslims in Syria, who fight for their freedom from a manifestly murderous and criminal regime, then likewise, Syrian freedom fighters have the right to involve their brothers in the faith to help them.
Khalid Amayreh
July 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Paul, with all due respect, it is important to have precise knowledge and information about a given subject in order to be able to make an informed and intelligent contribution in discussion pertaining to that subject.
It is true that I wrote elabrately about Shiism. But it is also true that I was meticulous about my references. I am sepecialized in the subject and can prove every point I made.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 21, 2012 at 12:14 pm
From antiwar.com today:
“In an interview with Israeli Channel 10 today Defense Minister Ehud Barak confirmed that he has ordered the military to prepare for a full-scale invasion of neighboring Syria, with the goal of seizing weapons from the Syrian military, currently embroiled in a civil war.
Barak sought to justify the move, saying that it was possible Syria might transfer “anti-aircraft missiles” or even chemical weapons to Hezbollah, a militant faction operating out of neighboring Lebanon.
There were some reports that Syria was hoping to ditch some of its less useful weapons on Hezbollah, because they weren’t of much value in the ongoing civil war and were costing resources to protect from looters. Though this would be the case with some weapons, it is unlikely Syria would want to reduce its anti-aircraft arsenal, particularly with Western nations chomping at the bit for a NATO attack and imposed regime change.
Early this week it had been reported Israel was considering such a step, and that Pentagon officials had been dispatched to try to talk Israel out of the invasion,warning it would bolster Assad’s position.”
Apparently the Pentagon did not have the right “arguments” and lost the dispute…
etominusipi
July 21, 2012 at 2:42 pm
“wow! what a track through the lush undergrowth of a veritable conceptual jungle! it’s taken me several hours to trawl through this thread! what a wealth of material, good, bad and indifferent.
to explain my interest, as an essentially apolitical person, let me tell you that i had been approached with an impressively jingling sack of shekels by Rabbi Sir J.Sax on behalf of his S.S.Liberty charity to score it as a space opera for a tin whistle orchestra to be played at holocaust memorials around the world.”
i said i would do the thing purely out of repect and compassion, though i did allow the good man to leave the sack in my safekeeping. the good man is still vigorous, but not as spritely as heretofore, an i envisioned his difficulties labouring along the pavement with it.”
Moses (Benny) Jinglesteiner (the composer, obviously, not the fruit and veg baron), interviewed about deLiberation for Jewish Chronicle by David Aaronovitch
Alex
July 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm
“what is the wrong with Iraqis, or Egyptians or even Turks fighting for the freedom and honor of Syria?”
What is wrong with hiding their identities by burning their corpse?
What’s wrong with Israelis fighting for the freedom and honor of Syria? In the final Analysis they are people of the book and our cousins”
Paul
Look at this nice piece written by same Guy, like his old interviews with press tv.. to pro-Hamas PIC but the other way, “Taqiya Way”, without naming, insults… and without involving Ali, Abu bakr and Omar.
May be Shiism after and the “Arab spring” are different.
Laura Stuart
July 21, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Yes – do explain what is wrong with Turks Iraqis Libyans etc fighting if we are all one ummah and the only boundaries there are ones put there by France or Britain.
We are one ummah and no one should have to live under oppression
Khalid Amayreh
July 21, 2012 at 8:12 pm
The PROBLEM with these Shiite mouthpieces is that they dismiss, downlay, bellitle and under appreciate every non-Shiite effort.
Hence, Sunni fighters fighting for their freedom in Syra are Nato mercenaries. And the Muslims activists who toppled Mubarak are the “American Ikhwan.” As to the quasi atheistic regime of Assad, they give us the impression that it is a legion of the army of Ali Ibn Abee Taleb!!!! This is pure blind sectrainism.
The shiite mouthpiece of the criminal regime in Damascus are very happy to see the Iraqi people freed from the Tyranny of Saddam, however, they are doggedly against the Syrian people’s freedom from the Hitler of Damascus.
For those who don’t know, the Syrian regime is ant-relgious, it even prevents soldiers from making prayer, and those who do are punished and sacked.
Yet, the Shiites cordially back the regime! Why because they hate the Sunnis so much, and they would be willing to side with Satan himself if Satan happened to be in conflict with the Sunnis.
Khalid Amayreh
July 21, 2012 at 10:20 pm
The Israelis are our enemies, but the Turks, Iraqis and other Muslims are not Israelis and are not our enemies.
The true enemies are those pseudo-religious thugs and cutthroats who commit al sorts of atrocities against innocent civilians on no other account than wanting to be free from a manifestly criminal regime seeking to perpetuate its murderous grip on the people.
According to reliable sources in Syria, these thugs murder babies and children and are told by their regligious handlers that they are avenging the death of Hussein more than 1350 years ago.
It is a purely propagandistic distraction to invoke Israel. Israel is actually worried about the possible disappearance of the Assad regime, a regime that kept Israel’s northern borders secure for the last 39 years.
Bsides, even if Assad were anti-Israel, which I don’t believe, this doesn’t give his regime the right to slaughter his people, crush their human rights and dignity.
Khalid Amayreh
July 21, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Taqiya (lying to perceived opponents” is a prominent characteristic of the Shiite relgion. It has nothing TO DO WITH ISLAM. SEE THE FOLLOWING SHIITE HADITHS:
عن أبي عبد الله قال
: يا أبا عمر، إن تسعة أعشار الدين في التقية، ولا دين لمن لا تقية له». « وأن من لا تقية له لا إيمان
TRANSLATION “Oh Abu Omar, nine-tenths of religion are in practicing Taqiya”
التقية من ديني ودين آبائي، لا دين لمن لا تقية له .البحار، 13/158، 66/495 ، 67/103، 75/77،422،431، 80/300 الكافي، 2/219،224 العياشي، …
Translation: Taqiya is my religion and the religion of my forefathers, and that who doesn’t practice it, has no religion”
Biharul anwar, Al-Kafi.
Hence, the ibn al alaqami is just trying to project his taqiya on Sunni Muslims who don’t belive in it.
Khalid Amayreh
July 21, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Shiism, though heretical in many doctrinal aspects. used to be a movement that allies itself with the oppressed and the downtrodden, however today’s shiism sides ureservedly with oppressors, murderers and eveil-doers.
In Iraq, they are with the Americans,soul and heart. The highest shiitle decoration, Hussein’s sword, was bestowed on the commander of the American occupation troops.
In Syria, the shiite political and spiritual leaderships are backing the criminal regime.
So, where is the anti-American stance on the part of Sistani, the highest Shiite clergyman in Iraq?