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The Palestine Solidarity Movement: A Recipe for Kosher anti-Zionism

British Palestine Solidarity outfit ‘Palestine Place’ provides a platform for anti-Syrian speakers, while ostracising and banning activists who choose to discuss topics designated as ‘no-go’ by Zionist ideology. This is symptomatic of a wider disease prevalent in the ‘Palestine Solidarity Movement’.

The Palestine Solidarity Movement, not only within the UK but across nations worldwide, is becoming increasingly fractured and impotent. The movement is characterised by swathes of different groups squabbling amongst themselves, and ostracising members(1) who cross certain red lines – red lines which have been drawn by Zionism.

‘Palestine Place': Symptoms of a Wider Disease

During my own recent experiences at ‘Palestine Place’ in London, I was unfortunate enough to witness acute symptoms of the disease afflicting the Palestine Solidarity Movement. The disease is not unique to Palestine Place; it afflicts the wider Palestine Solidarity Movement and the liberal ‘left’ in the UK. Not only is the Palestine Solidarity Movement paralysed with fear of being branded with the anti-Semitism epithet, but it routinely falls prey to Zionist and imperialist deception, manipulation, and propaganda. The carnal fear of being branded an ‘anti-Semite’ prevents any level of open and honest discussion on anything pertaining to Israel and the Zionist project – especially its founding myths which must be openly discussed and debated in order for truth to see light.

Outlawing Thoughtcrime in the Service of Zionism

During an open discussion at Palestine Place in June 2012, one attendee brought up the subject of Gilad Atzmon’s alleged anti-Semitism. The gentleman proceeded to misrepresent Atzmon’s words in order to paint him as a racist who merely seeks to attack Judaism.

During this discussion the subject of holocaust denial and holocaust revisionism came up. At no point was the holocaust denied by anybody present, however this writer did make the point that we must make a distinction between ‘revisionism’ and ‘denial’. All historical events must be open to investigation and questioning; the very concept of history is based on revisionism. What legitimate reason could we possibly have for shielding any historical event from examination? We are constantly reminded that we must learn from history lest it repeat itself (reminiscent of the ‘never again’ mantra), yet we are prevented from examining these very elements of history!

This particular discussion at Palestine Place continued for ten or fifteen minutes before the next scheduled discussion was due to begin. During this time, dedicated pro-Palestinian activist Ken O’Keefe came to Gilad Atzmon’s defence, drawing attention to Atzmon’s idea that Jewishness and Jewish culture must be part of our investigation of Israeli and Zionist ideology. Are Israel’s tanks, gunships and warplanes not adorned with the Jewish Star of David? Is ‘Israel’ not a self-professed Jewish State? The gentleman who had chosen to accuse Atzmon of anti-Semitism had misrepresented Atzmon’s views and launched into a baseless ad hominem attack.

Immediately before the next scheduled speaker, a spokesman for Palestine Place made an announcement to the following effect: some people have decided to air their views on the holocaust, we must remind you that at Palestine Place we do not tolerate anti-Semitism and we will not be discussing the holocaust any further.

It must be noted that this was after the same spokesperson had emphatically stated that day, that Palestine Place was not affiliated with any solidarity organisation (such as the UK Palestine Solidarity Campaign), purely to avoid the politicisation and control of discussion!

This relatively small incident demonstrates how the Palestine Solidarity Movement is not only subject to Zionist bullying, infiltration, and lobbying, but more importantly cultural indoctrination. We are instilled with a cardinal fear of discussing the holocaust outside of the officially accepted narrative – a ‘thoughtcrime’ in this democracy and beacon of free speech known as Great Britain.

The knee-jerk ‘we do not tolerate anti-Semitism‘ emotional reaction is sadly typical, and it is trotted out before one iota of thought has been given to the content and substance of the discussion.

It is incredibly sad and disheartening to see that the Palestine Solidarity Movement is utterly beholden to Zionism’s biggest rhetorical weapon: false charges of anti-Semitism coupled with a religious observance of and adherence to the dogma of ‘the holocaust’.

As activists and truth seekers, are we actually going to conflate historical revisionism (the practice of investigating and revising our understanding of history based on facts and free debate) with racism? This logic is completely lost on those who have an immediate emotional reaction to this question.

Palestine Place Bars Prominent Pro-Palestine Activist, Backs Foreign Insurrection in Syria

On June 13, 2012, Palestine Place hosted a talk on the subject of Syria. Several guests were invited to speak – all of whom were anti-Assad and pro-‘revolution’. Without exception, all of the speakers represented the viewpoint of the corrupt Gulf dictatorships, the USA and Israel, who are jointly seeking the dissolution of all bastions of Arab resistance to Zionism and Western neocolonialism.

Shortly before the talk, I witnessed Ken O’Keefe being asked to leave the premises by organisers who cited a ‘group decision’ that had been made. Hypocritically, not one of the attendees to the talk was consulted about this decision – the decision was made by Palestine Place’s organisers and had no ‘grassroots’ input whatsoever.

After Ken had left the premises the talks continued and the speakers dictated their opinion to the almost exclusively young (18-23) and impressionable crowd. One after another the anti-Assad guests expounded their mythical idea that the ‘revolution’ in Syria was at all indigenous, as opposed to being a foreign-led insurrection, which is now a clearly established reality.

The speakers were Simon Assaf, UK-based Syrian activist Shiar Youssef, activist Dan Gorman, and ‘internet researcher and activist’ Miriyam Asfar.

Simon Assaf’s previous writings shed light on his ideological position. He is a commentator who claims to oppose western intervention in Libya and Syria, while breathlessly parroting the lies and propaganda that enable it. He saw the NATO-appointed NTC’s calls for a ‘no-fly zone’ over Libya as “genuine calls for help”,(2) and he mindlessly repeats the long-discredited claims that Gaddafi bombarded civilian demonstrations from the air. He even claimed that the case for the intervention in Libya was “very powerful”.(3)

At Palestine Place, Assaf continued with his delusional and romantic narrative wherein he painted the foreign-led counter-revolution in Syria as an indigenous people’s and workers’ revolution. He smugly dismissed ‘al Qaeda’ involvement in Syria as paranoid conspiracy theory.

No reasonable person would debate the CIA’s use of what would become ‘al Qaeda’ in Afghanistan throughout the 1980s to achieve its strategic objectives. This is not the stuff of ‘conspiracy theory’, rather it is established historical fact.

Assaf chose to ignore the deeply sectarian, thuggish, and terroristic inclinations of the ‘revolutionaries’ in Syria. Even the mainstream press has been forced to admit(4) that Abdelhakim Belhaj, former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), is providing fighters and assistance to the so-called Free Syrian Army.

The LIFG, still listed as a terrorist group by the US State Department,(5) is a paradigmatic example of one of the CIA’s many proxy armies of brainwashed sectarian drones – commonly referred to collectively as ‘al Qaeda’.

Assaf, as well as the other speakers, reminded the audience that the ‘revolution’ started in Daraa, Syria, in March 2011. What they didn’t draw attention to was the fact that Daraa, like the majority of the hotspots in the Syrian unrest, is on Syria’s border. As a result of calls from short-sighted, hateful and poisonously sectarian-minded Sunni religious leaders (including our new ‘al Qaeda’ boogeyman Ayman al-Zawahiri), ‘jihadists’ in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq have flocked to Syria to fight against the Assad regime(6) (Assad is an Alawi and non-sectarian leader who allows 18 different sects to live in harmony). These ‘jihadists’ include Abdelhakim Belhaj’s men, who were shipped to Turkey in order to allow them to infiltrate Syria’s borders(7) from there. Further to this, the United States and Jordanian militaries began a joint military exercise known as Eager Lion in the summer of 2011.(8) What is the significance of this, and why is the majority of the unrest in border regions?

The Houla Killings – Fruit of the ‘FSA’

Predictably, Assaf and the other speakers accused the Assad regime of committing brutal massacres against the Syrian people. The Houla massacre – an event which is held as the ‘trump card’ by the ‘opposition’ in Syria, is deserving of inspection here.

In the immediate aftermath of the Houla massacre, the Syrian ‘opposition’ and media outlets across the spectrum attempted to blame the killings on artillery attacks by the Syrian Army. When it became clear that most of the victims were killed at close range, many with stab wounds, the narrative became ‘pro-regime militia’. Now however, after the dust has settled, it is clear that pro-Assad elements had nothing to do with the Houla massacre, and in fact it was the so-called ‘Free Syrian Army’ and ‘opposition’ that is most likely responsible.

The Assad regime would have nothing to gain but everything to lose by perpetrating the Houla killings. These murders have played right into the hands of Syria’s enemies – those who seek regime change under the barrel of a ‘humanitarian’ gun. Initial reports from the opposition contradicted the physical manner in which the victims were killed. Three days after the event, Human Rights Watch joined the chorus blaming Assad and ‘pro-government forces’.(9)

However, the facts betray this speculation from the Syrian ‘opposition’ and so-called human rights groups such as Human Rights Watch.

Those killed were nearly exclusively families from the Alawi and Shia minorities in Sunni-majority Houla (while HRW and the ‘opposition’ try to suggest that the victims were Sunni). This included several dozen members of one extended family, which had converted from Sunni to Shia Islam. Also killed was the family of a Sunni member of parliament who was considered a government collaborator by the rebels.

Considering these points(10) and the fact that the massacre occurred as three Syrian Army checkpoints were being attacked by armed gangs around the town, the idea that the Syrian Army was responsible for the Houla killings is asinine. It is now evident that the sectarian terrorists whom people such as Simon Assaf refer to as ‘revolutionaries’, were responsible for this heinous crime.

Another notable moment during Palestine Place’s decidedly anti-Syrian evening was when ‘activist’ Dan Gorman showed the audience a video of an opposition-produced puppet show which ridiculed Bashar al-Assad and his father, Hafez. During the few-minute sequence, the puppets of Bashar and Hafez joked about killing Syrians, and bemoaned the propaganda peddled by Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya. The entire audience smugly nodded, laughed and clapped as this ‘Two Minutes Hate’ played out before them.

When UK-based Syrian activist Shiar Youssef took the stage, he forged another memorable moment. “This is just how we work in Syria“, he said. He was referring to how Syrian activists work, compared to the way in which the Palestine Place activists were sat around on the floor of the room, gazing at the speaker. I have to confess, this reminded me of when UK Foreign Secretary William Hague admitted that the UK government is training Syrian activists.(11)

Conclusion: Solidarity Demands Intellectual Courage, not Servility & Herd Mentality

Palestine Place is, in every way, a microcosm of the international Palestine Solidarity Movement. Toothless, pseudo-enlightened know-it-alls who are intellectually servile, exclusivist, drowned in ego, and utterly impotent.

Ostensibly it has no individual leaders and is purely democratic, but this is meaningless since it religiously adheres to specific pre-defined boundaries of discussion. Freedom of speech and discussion exists only on paper; ‘thought criminals’ are barred and ostracised. It claims to present the opportunity for “radical change“. It ‘occupies’ a building with the full cooperation of the landowner (this writer confirmed this by speaking to activists on-site).

Frank Barat, a London-based human rights activist tells Mondoweiss about the ins and outs of Palestine Place. Barat, who this writer suspects plays a role in the Palestine Place project, promotes the organisation(12) as a movement that will mean the West will “never be the same again“.

He also insists that Palestine Place is “open to everyone and belongs to everyone“, and that it is a “hub of creativity, discussions and possibility for radical change“.

Palestine Place completely betrays these ideals.

Discussion of historical events intimately linked to Palestine and the history of Zionism, has been stifled. Attendees are banned and ostracised for having a different opinion; discussion outside of the mainstream is prohibited at this ‘radical’ outfit – whether this concerns the attendees or the opinionated, one-sided speakers who are invited to talk.

Palestine Place’s official ‘Safe Spaces Policy’ bars holocaust revisionism(13) (the act of enriching our understanding of history on an ongoing basis by examining and documenting the facts). I must reiterate: what legitimate reason could we possibly have for shielding any historical event from examination? What are they afraid of? What is there to hide? We are constantly reminded that we must learn from history lest it repeat itself (reminiscent of the ‘never again’ mantra), yet Palestine Place chooses to protect this aspect of history from scrutiny!

Interestingly, Palestine Place’s Safe Spaces Policy calls for (emphasis mine) “An end to the occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied since 1967“. Does the land ethnically cleansed and occupied in 1948 not count? Did Israel’s crimes start in 1967? Palestine Place attempts to normalise the Nakba here, accepting the legitimacy of the 1948 land thefts and only referring to the 1967 occupation.

The following passage from the same policy statement is simply staggering in its dishonesty, keeping in mind the practices of Palestine Place:

Palestine Place will not be dogmatic nor prescriptive about attitudes, opinions or beliefs that relate to the political debate around Palestine.

Palestine Place is not an environment that encourages any level of independent or critical thought. Youngsters, keen to learn about the Palestinian cause (and the geopolitical landscape surrounding it – i.e. Syria) are being corralled into adopting a kosher ‘anti-Zionist’ viewpoint that will pose zero threat to Zionism.

Outspoken and dedicated pro-Palestinian voices are banned and ostracised. Guest speakers are invited who are exclusively representing a one-sided point of view. Discussion of Zionism’s founding myths are prevented. This supposed ‘solidarity’ outfit has demonstrably positioned itself into an anti-Palestinian standpoint, either wittingly or unwittingly.

The Palestine Solidarity Movement is terminally afraid of discussing subjects that are designated ‘no-go’ areas by Zionist ideology. The incessant false charges of ‘anti-Semitism’ is Zionism’s biggest ideological weapon – and we all know it – but our movement has no defence.

Only with real independent thought and intellectual courage will our movement proceed.

When we are held emotionally hostage by certain ideas, we must ask why.

We must never stop the pursuit of truth, regardless of the level of ‘herd mentality’ around us. We must take a step back and think objectively.

Exposing any and all deceptions which alter perceptions about Israel, anti-Semitism, and Palestine, is our place.

Notes

(1) ‘Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzmon’ – US Palestinian Community Network

(2) ‘Libya: at the crossroads’ by Simon Assaf

(3) ‘How Western Powers Blackmailed the Libyan Revolution’ by Simon Assaf

(4) ‘Leading Libyan Islamist met Free Syrian Army opposition group’ – The UK Telegraph

(5) ‘Foreign Terrorist Organizations’ – US Department of State

(6) ‘Jihadists Declare Holy War Against Assad Regime’ – Spiegel Online

(7) ‘Al-Qaeda Terrorists Airlifted From Libya to Aid Syrian Opposition’ by Paul Joseph Watson

(8) ‘US, 18 other nations, wrap up Eager Lion military exercise in Jordan’ – The Christian Science Monitor

(9) ‘Syria: UN Inquiry Should Investigate Houla Killings’ – Human Rights Watch

(10) ‘Leading German Daily: Houla Massacre Committed by Syrian Rebels’ – EmpireStrikesBlack.com

(11) ‘US fears fresh massacre in Syria’ – The UK Telegraph

(12) ‘‘Palestine Place’ comes to London, and the west will never be the same’ by Frank Barat

(13) ‘Safe Spaces Policy’ – Palestine Place

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48 Responses to The Palestine Solidarity Movement: A Recipe for Kosher anti-Zionism

  1. searching June 14, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

    in order to fully control activites of an organisation infiltrate it with your own,loyal, well paid people. Jews have mastered it.
    By the power of deception.

  2. Jonathon Blakeley June 15, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    Very well said and thoughtfully documented, thanks Martin. Sadly the Palestine Palestine Solidarity Movement & BDS are both “Paper Tigers” and are largely impotent and useless and need replacing. I don’t think they can be reformed, we need something new free from NGO thought control, something with Teeth.

  3. Roy Bard June 15, 2012 at 1:15 am #

    Great write-up Martin. Thanks

    According to Frank Barat in the New Internationalist

    Palestine Place is open to everyone and belongs to everyone. There is no organization behind it and all the activists behind the project are there in personal capacities.

    Yet Ken runs foul of the Safe Spaces Policy, the relevant section of which is becoming a formula for exclusion.

    Having told us that PP is united by ” three demands made by Palestinian Civil Society” beyond which PP “will not be dogmatic nor perscriptive about attitudes, opinions, or beliefs within the space that relate to the political debate around Palestine” we then get:

    . Expressions of oppressive beliefs, dogmas, and/or politics relating to either the subjugation of the Palestinian people or of an anti semetic nature will not be tolerated and may result in a person being asked to leave.

    what seems to have been removed in the last few hours however is this:

    (these include Nakba or Holocaust denial or revisionism, holding the Jewish people collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel or Palestinians collectively responsible for the actions of the any individual or group of Palestinians.)

    In other words dogma and prescription.

    We are told that PP “is an anti Zionist and anti racist space” and yet once again the very same devices that zionists have used to shut down debate, are used by anti-zionists to shut down debate.

    Perhaps the removal of that text means that a debate has opened up?

    I’m not going to hold my breath.

    I was looking at the Glasgow Caledonian University Palestine Society attack on Ken which followed the Metropolitan University meeting in February.

    They actually linked to a youtube video posted by a blatant zionist who uses the nick ‘habibi1655′ – check out his other videos – in one the description reads:

    Sarah Colborne of the self-styled Palestine Solidarity Campaign chants with the racist and Hamas supporter Carole Swords at the Ahava store in London.

    and another is entitled Labour MP Corbyn hails hate preacher Raed Salah – its getting blatant when the anti-zionist censors use zionist resources to enforce the censorship.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 2:19 am #

      Thanks for posting this, Roy, especially the Safe Spaces Policy, which is badly written, which is why you may have misunderstood why Ken had to be removed.

      This is how I would rewrite for them, preserving their intent but expressing it with far more clarity:

      NOT (their verbatim text)
      ” Palestine Place will not be dogmatic nor perscriptive about attitudes, opinions, or beliefs within the space that relate to the political debate around Palestine.
      However, Palestine Place is an anti Zionist and anti racist space. Expressions of oppressive beliefs, dogmas, and/or politics relating to either the subjugation of the Palestinian people or of an anti semetic nature will not be tolerated and may result in a person being asked to leave.”

      BUT
      ” Palestine Place will not be dogmatic nor perscriptive about attitudes, opinions, or beliefs within the space that relate to the political debate around Palestine, except those we consider oppressive and anti semetic nature.
      Please note that the term ‘perscriptive” is not a typo; we have adopted it to distinguish it from “prescriptive” which is a positive term.
      Please also note that “anti-semetic is not a typo either; it is a term we have adopted to distinguish it from the term “anti-semitic” which has been ridiculed lately by those with oppressive beliefs.

      NOT:
      “We ask everyone to be aware of their personal privileges (such as being white, male, middle class etc) and to act against them.”

      BUT
      “We ask everyone to be aware and regretful of their personal privileges (such as being white, male, middle class etc) and to act against them, in whatever way that is not oppressive. For example, in view of our acceptance and tolerance of sexual preferences and transgender issues, it is acceptable for white males to participate in blackface and cross-dressed. The status of middle class remains to be clarified after a decision of income ceiling is reached.”

      So the problem was that Ken showed up as white male and expressed oppressive beliefs.

  4. who_me June 15, 2012 at 1:20 am #

    “British Palestine Solidarity outfit ‘Palestine Place’ provides a platform for anti-Syrian speakers,”

    that’s all i need to know. they work for jewish zionist masters.

    • Roy Bard June 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm #

      The zionists certainly approve:

      pp

      • Jonathon Blakeley June 15, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

        I always know its a good lead if RingmanFrank trolls one. I remember RingManFrank when he just a default icon.

  5. Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 8:01 am #

    Who-me please don’t make that conclusion. Palestinians are Sunni Muslims which explains their position better than anything else.

    • Martin Iqbal June 15, 2012 at 10:36 am #

      Laura, your suggestion that Palestinians are somehow sectarian-minded bigots is ignorant in the extreme. I wonder if you’ve ever set foot in Palestine.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

        I don’t think the problem is that perhaps she has never set foot in Palestine. If that were true there would not be lots and lots of people who have not visited Palestine either but who find her views on this issue odd, to say the least.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

      Laura, is it possible by any chance that the observer (you) attributes the bias observed (the anti-Syrian platform of the Palestinian Solidarity) to religion because of the observer’s personal religious optics?
      Or do you believe that the views expressed by Palestinians in this outfit are representative of Palestinians in general: anti-white (Barghouti), anti-Syrian, etc and the fact that they are Sunni “explains their position better than anything else”?

    • who_me June 15, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

      Laura Stuart

      “Who-me please don’t make that conclusion. Palestinians are Sunni Muslims which explains their position better than anything else.?”

      palestinians that support the israeli/zionist terrorism against syria are helping israel. one can play games and pretend the terrorism these mercs and quislings are doing is something else, but that doesn’t change the reality. what kind of palestinian would help israel and betray the palestinian cause?

  6. Jay Knott June 15, 2012 at 8:12 am #

    I first came across the idea of ‘safe spaces’ during the attempts to oust long-standing anti-Zio anti-war activist Tim from a co-op in Portland, Oregon – http://tinyurl.com/dxjxu5b

    Further research found its origins in the seventies anti-war left. It used feminism, black & gay activism etc. to divide and defeat the movement. Its promoters were either Stalinist control-freaks or FBI agents. It worked because white guilt, male guilt etc. permeates the left. Otherwise, it would be laughed out of existence. The idea that gays etc. need special rights inside wholefood co-ops is ridiculous.

    Zionists eventually found the idea and added Jews to the list of oppressed groups – http://tinyurl.com/bv8sfb6

  7. Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

    I am glad you gave this link, Jay: http://tinyurl.com/dxjxu5b
    I had missed it at he time. Highly informative.
    One term in it you quote got my attention: “One individual in particular, a long-established co-op organizer in Portland, Oregon, and a defender of Palestinian rights, was accused of ‘Holocaust denial’ and ‘anti-Jewish organizing’. ”

    I have never seen “anti-jewish organizer” as an accusation before.
    It is so inadvertently candid that it is comical.
    Organizing against the Jews? The Palestinians?!? Perish the thought!
    Individuals who hint at that must be rooted out of any pro-Palestinian movement.
    Somebody watchful must have realized the gaffe and the term never gained open currency. Or did it?

  8. Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

    The Palestinian people recognise the right of the Syrian people to want to have a revolution like other nations to get rid of oppressive rulers is exactly what I am saying.

    Martin your accusations are really not worth commenting on.

    • Roy Bard June 15, 2012 at 1:44 pm #

      Do you have any evidence that it was Palestinians who organised the session at Palestine Place?

    • searching June 15, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

      Laura,
      are you the AZZ’s 5th columnist , or you are just a total ignoramus, who thinks that she knows something ,while in reality, she does not grasp anything from what is going on in the world??
      Pick one.

  9. Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    Adriana I wouldn’t blame the Palestinians for hating white people at all since white people are what prevents any due process and allows Israel impunity not to forget the Balfour thing.

    If you have the misfortune to be white and want to join the solidarity movement it probably helps if you are gay as the PSC is a testosterone free zone, you can see why Ken is a problem.

    If I was Palestinian I would hate everyone even my own people (Abbas = collaborator) most especially the Arabs who let them down from the start and continue to do so and the whites who caused the whole mess and are complicite in its continuation. I suppose the Palestinians might have looked to the Arabs initially for help and found them useless, then looked to the West and found them no help either. The Palestinians in Gaza know they have only Allah to rely on.

    Hasbi Allahu Wa Ne’mal Wakil!

    “Allah is sufficient for me and is the best trustee of affairs.”

    Those (i.e. believers) unto whom the people (hypocrites) said, “Verily, the people (pagans) have gathered against you (a great army), therefore, fear them.” But it (only) increased them in Faith, and they said: HasbunAllah wa Ni’mal Wakil“:Allâh (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs (for us).” (173) So they returned with Grace and Bounty from Allâh. No harm touched them; and they followed the good Pleasure of Allâh. And Allâh is the Owner of Great Bounty. (174) It is only Shaitân (Satan) that suggests to you the fear of his Auliyâ’ [supporters and friends ,so fear them not, but fear Me, if you are (true) believers.

    • searching June 15, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

      “If I was Palestinian I would hate everyone’
      So believing in Allah makes you want to hate everybody???

      • Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 2:28 pm #

        Searching they have every right to even if they don’t – but they might prefer not to be liberated when they find out that their PSC and BDS liberators are all gay.

        Poor Palestinians they really are F*cked when you think about the reality of being oppressed by the State of Israel a.k.a. the worlds favourite gay destination or being liberated by gay marxist lefties – if the Palestianians find out about this they might give up.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

      You seem to have unwittingly bought into the zionist oft-repeated “why don’t their Arab brothers help them?”
      You make no distinction whatsoever between Arab nations and their leaders–USrael-propped regimes.

      You also gloss over Nasrallah’s support for the Palestinians. He is a shia but he must not share your sectarian view about Palestinians.

      “I wouldn’t blame the Palestinians for hating white people at all….If I was Palestinian I would hate everyone.”

      Well, then it is a good thing you are not a Palestinian.

      • Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

        Believe me the Palestinians do wonder where the Arabs are, it was one of the things they kept saying when we entered Gaza a few weeks after Cast Lead.

        Yes, of course the leaders – goes without saying.

        I don’t think anyone can deny the Palestinians the right to be angry.

    • Deadbeat June 16, 2012 at 3:00 am #

      f I was Palestinian I would hate everyone even my own people (Abbas = collaborator) most especially the Arabs who let them down from the start and continue to do so and the whites who caused the whole mess and are complicite in its continuation.

      Hate is easy when you don’t want to further in any analysis of the situation. It very easy to replace rational analysis with “hate”. What Barghouti is doing is at best mindless or at worst playing to his pseudo-Left and left-Zionist benefactors and colleagues. He was address the ISO the same zio-left group that supported the overthrow of Qaddafi. The fact that Barghoutti was addressing these bullshit artisans is what should be question rather than “whiteness”.

      Who invented “whiteness” and “blackness” anyhow? The same folks who now occupy Palestine. However if Barghoutti made such as remark the ISO would certainly reject his presence.

      This is why “hate” make no sense. It restricts thinking. Analysis makes every sense as it REVEAL who the phonies really are.

  10. Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 3:06 pm #

    “PSC is a testosterone free zone, you can see why Ken is a problem.”

    It would not have occurred to me.
    I would have thought that if Ken were the same advocate but gay, he would have been equally odious to them (presumably then, to you too).

    You seem to think that the gay agenda if the GOAL of PSM, instead of the MEANS.
    You seem unable to accept that the zionist support of groups (gay, feminist, anti-white) is merely the implementation of the Divide and Rule strategy.
    Splinter a movement you wish to subvert and control, make yourself the champion of each, suborn them, and get them to march under your (“anti-anti-semitism”) banner as a collection of motley groups with unrelated individual agendas, not as a unified movement. From time to time shout “free Palestine” and you have a kosher PSM.

    • searching June 15, 2012 at 3:16 pm #

      ‘Splinter a movement you wish to subvert and control, make yourself the champion of each, suborn them, and get them to march under your (“anti-anti-semitism”) banner as a collection of motley groups with unrelated individual agendas, not as a unified movement. From time to time shout “free Palestine” and you have a kosher PSM.’
      ……
      very good summary, Adriana.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

        Thanks, searching.
        One typo I just noticed. It should be:
        “You seem to think that the gay agenda is the GOAL of PSM, instead of the MEANS.

    • Jonathon Blakeley June 15, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

      From a Zionist point of view it makes sense to recruit Goy Gays to their cause. The reason being is their victim complex gives them a sympathetic angle upon which to lever their points.

  11. Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 4:09 pm #

    Ariadna the “problem” is the same both with Gilad and Ken – both are authoritarian and both are very definitely masculine or macho (both ex soldiers). You forget that men in the West have largely been castrated by marxist feminism so the two of them do not fit in to the subjugated excuse for men that we have here in the UK. If Ken and Gilad want to learn to fit in with the PSC they are going to have to submit to feminism or come out as gay.

    • Jay Knott June 15, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

      Thanks, Laura. It takes a woman to tell us… :). I wrote something much milder, and got barred from a pc lefty site for writing it: http://tinyurl.com/bv35ucz

    • Jonathon Blakeley June 15, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

      @Laura

      LOL :-)

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 5:23 pm #

      You may cradle your cherished faith in the pivotal role of testosterone hatred in AZZ/PSM/zionism, Israel but I would bet any amount of money you and Jay would plunk down together on your side of the bet that:
      –if I got a black woman and a gay man to go there and convincingly impersonate, respectively, a radical feminist and a gay activist, complete with personal testimonials of victimhood under white-male testosterone oppression and homophobia
      –and once “credentialed” they would express strong anti-zionist/anti-Israel views
      they would both be out on their ears in no time.

      Equally, if –by absurd hypothesis– Ken and Gilad would suddenly tear their hair out (shorter work for Gilad) and announced that once they were blind but now can see the luminous righteousness of the PSM/BDS/AZZ path, they would roll out the red carpet for them.
      They would require them to perform public repentance but no castration would be in the program.

      • Jay Knott June 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

        Don’t take my endorsement of Laura’s views too seriously…

        • Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 10:09 pm #

          The problem here is that everyone takes their views very seriously.

          • Deadbeat June 16, 2012 at 3:28 am #

            And that makes for good debate.

          • Laura Stuart June 16, 2012 at 6:15 am #

            Sure it does and everyone must feel so smug in their superior knowledge of how Palestinians should behave – feel and think.

            It really doesn’t change anything though.

            Not only have the Palestinians the right of return they should have the right to be angry as well and many are. As one example how should they feel in Gaza about being charity dependent? How should they feel about the hordes who can enter Gaza pretty freely whilst taking them aid whilst at the same time the people are perfectly capable of working and sustaining themselves if they were not under siege or unable to move in and out freely? A look at Harrys place can show you umpteen photos of worthies who had their picture taken with a smiling Ismail Haniyeh (a very patient man)whilst visiting Gaza, so is there a Gaza tourism industry now – like a zoo where you can have your photo taken with the caged exhibits?
            I am not really referring to Barghouti in particular when I say Palestinians have a right to be angry or hate whites I am perhaps referring more to the people of Gaza, although I don’t deny all Palestinians that right. They do know that we can watch them being bombed on our tvs from the comfort of our sitting rooms, I wonder how that makes them feel – they must wonder what we are doing about it, will they feel that much better to know that a group of people are having an intellectual debate about it ? It doesn’t exactly stop the bullets or the bombs does it.

          • Roy Bard June 16, 2012 at 9:21 am #

            “Sure it does and everyone must feel so smug in their superior knowledge of how Palestinians should behave – feel and think.”

            So how smug do you feel Laura?

          • Laura Stuart June 16, 2012 at 9:47 am #

            What is there to feel smug about Roy?

          • Roy Bard June 16, 2012 at 9:50 am #

            It was you who suggested that people with views must feel smug.

            I don’t – so I was wondering if perhaps you were projecting your own smugness

          • Laura Stuart June 16, 2012 at 10:13 am #

            No Roy I feel only upset that the reality is that people are still being killed and under siege in Gaza whilst we only have so much hot air to contribute.

            The fact that people who are capable of action instead of empty words are deleted from Facebook, kicked out of Palestine Place, kicked out of the P.S.C. and denounced by so called activists is very frustrating.

          • Roy Bard June 16, 2012 at 10:16 am #

            Okay – thanks = that makes your statement clearer.

            I share your concerns

  12. searching June 15, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    so for you any, guy who is heterosexual,not of a meager posture, ex-soldier , is outspoken , has a family and children has to be macho, authoritarian, masculine and … oh, you forgot to add , beats his wife and terrorises his children.
    Why do you want to reduce the problems within PSC to being gay or not gay??
    So you want to tell us that all people who are involved in the PSC are either gay or feminists,
    ( plus a couple marxists for diversity )??
    I did not know that.

    • Laura Stuart June 15, 2012 at 9:52 pm #

      Searching -Why are you adding to wife beating or child terrorising to the equation? I condone neither. I know both Ken and Gilad personally and they both have those attributes as I previously described – which I see as positive attributes by the way.

      I also did not say everyone in the PSC/BDS is gay in fact Tony Greenstein is married and has children so don’t be fooled by the fact that he lives in Brighton, is a slave to “Just for Men” and uses volumising hair products or the fact that he prefers to be filmed sitting on a pink sofa because they might be just tactics to ensure his acceptance into the movement.

  13. who_me June 15, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    http://www.voltairenet.org/Arab-Spring-benefited-only-Israel

    “RT: Who is trying to divide Lebanon?

    MC: I can ask you the same question. External forces seek to control Lebanon. They seek to divide and weaken all the countries surrounding Israel in order to ensure Israel’s security.

    RT: Based on the current situation in the region and the information we have, can we point the finger at somebody and say that they are interested in this scenario more than anybody else?

    MC: I can put it this way: We have all heard this expression the Arab Spring, but who has seen the fruit of this spring? No one. Has Egypt elected its president? Or has the spring ended? Almost the same thing is happening in Tunisia and in Yemen. There’s no fruit, there’s just this expression, the Arab Spring.

    I really think what we see today is an Israeli Spring. Who will pose a threat to Israel now? Palestinians die every day, and no one protests. Before, even if one Palestinian was killed, there was an outrage. Today, three Palestinians get killed, or ten, or twenty – and nobody says anything. There is not even talk about differences within the Palestinian movement.”

  14. etominusipi June 16, 2012 at 12:46 am #

    “for a human being to have a corrupted heart means that they have succumbed to some major obstacle barring further progress on the path towards ethical universalism. there are many such obstacles. indoctrination with a sense of ‘chosen-ness’ is one of them.

    similarly, there are many different social manifestations of such psychological ‘blockage’, ranging from narrow-minded criminality to the dangerous pseudo-idealism of political fanatics. all share a furtiveness of motivation, and a schizoid perception which easily sees others either as enemies or victims.

    whilst, to achieve their aims they often must collaborate, this is not done in a joyful manner, with mutual love and dedication, but rather through naked relations of power, threats, money, blackmail, seduction, indoctrination, lies, stifling of dissent…all of which must be provided with a Cloak of Respectability, or, rather, with a whole wardrobe of cloaks so vast that it would have dwarfed Imelda Marcos’ not uncopious collection of footwear.”

    Jorge Bernhardt-Shore, ‘The Kleptocrats’

  15. etominusipi June 16, 2012 at 1:00 am #

    PS fine article, Martin.

    “Harry’s Plaice/Palestine Plaice – something a bit fishy? not at all, says Chief Rabbi. sayan/hasbara activism is, in reality, a remarkable fractal, working on many different scales simultaneously, with the ultimate, benign, objective of creating the Apocalypse by altering the 666th digit of Planck’s constant (in binary) from a one to a zero, a process known technically as nilification.” Serendipity Dorgstein, writing in the JC.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 16, 2012 at 1:11 pm #

      “sayan/hasbara activism is, in reality, a remarkable fractal, working on many different scales simultaneously”

      Great description IMO. As such it does not require central control; it is reflexive, automatic and self-perpetuating.

      • who_me June 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm #

        “it is reflexive, automatic and self-perpetuating.”

        like the aids virus.

        • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 16, 2012 at 11:26 pm #

          Or… in more benign terms, like a beehive (the Tribe).
          No central commands are given or needed to make it work:
          the workers, the soldiers, even the drones, all act instinctively to protect the hive, to feed the Queen (JP?) so she can thrive, to act in the furtherance of the beehive, which is their only world.
          There is occasional buzzing in various tonalities and those recently decoded patterns of flight “dances” (hasbara?) that are either alarm signals when “enemies” are spotted, or road maps to newly discovered patches of flowers whose nectar can be sucked.
          But in general the bees don’t need to be told who they are, what to do or whom they serve.
          Incidentally this elaborate description is mine but the metaphor as applied to the Jewish tribal behavior is not mine. I cannot recall for sure, but I think I read it in Shahak

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