The One Gay Solution
by Gilad Atzmon
Monday, June 11th, 2012
The Moscow City Court upheld last Thursday a district court’s decision to ban gay parades in the Russian Capital for the next 100 years. Not just one year, two years or even ten years, the court was pretty clear about it all-a century with no gay parades. Pretty sinister I would say.
As it seems Homosexuality is not very popular amongst Russia’s political establishment. In 2007, Former Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov described attempts to hold a gay parade in the capital as “satanic.” In fact, no gay Parade has ever been officially permitted in Russia. Russian gays are heavily discriminated. But they should never lose hope. In the last few days I have come up with a simple and creative solution that would calm this rift down and may even bring peace to what is left of occupied Palestine.
As we all know, Israel opens its arms to Russians and East Europeans Goyim who are happy enough to live in the ‘Jews Only State’ and even pretend to be Zionist Jews and hate Arabs accordingly. But Israel is also ‘the only democracy in Middle east’- it is open, liberal and tolerant. Tel Aviv is famous for being ‘The World’s Gay Capital’.
If Russian gays are unhappy with their meshigine Goyim homophobic leaders, they should simply make Aliya and join more than one million of their expatriates who already live happily in Israel. I believe that that such a wave of something between three to twenty million pride-seeking Russian immigrants would make Israel into a really nice place. Living in the rapidly expanding shore-city Gay Aviv, the new Russians will enjoy the sun, the beach and the famous hospitality of the Israelis. Considering Israel being an open, inclusive society, dynamic, liberal, democratic State, it won’t take long before the indigenous Hebrews amend their national narrative, they will probably name their reforming state IsraGay. They may even introduce some new rainbow colours to their precious Star of David. Believe me, it won’t take long before GDF’s (the newly formed Gay Defence Force) generals launch a peace dialogue with IsraGay’s neighbouring country and even some leading Palestinian One Gay Solution advocates. Let’s leave bigotry behind, together we cross the divide, peace may prevail after all.
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searching
June 11, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I think the idea is superb.
Lets export all ,( a few millions of them ) Russian gays to Gay-Aviv, known for its “tolerance and acceptance “of everything and everybody, and voila,the problem will resolve within a few years.
But… being a realist I suspect that if such a thing really happended, the Israeli reaction would be similar to the recent “acceptance ” of the immigranats from Africa.
Kudos to Russian government, B.t.w.
They did not succumb to politially corrected “gay parade” gag that most of the western and Usa “governments” accepted as ordered from above ,(or behind….the dark curtain).
Jonathon Blakeley
June 11, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Gilad Atzmon
June 11, 2012 at 11:57 pm
funny…
shoshana
June 11, 2012 at 7:53 pm
now there’s an idea guaranteed to start the next intifada, and laura stewart will be in the front line-just remember gays also carry guns
another cool million russians means guaranteed building on the west bank
palestinians get ready for the gay invasion!- lovely
who_me
June 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Gilad Atzmon
couple of things.
more russians are leaving israel and returning to russia, than russians are leaving russia for israel. that’s been going on for several years now.
gays are not really descriminated in russia any more than in western europe or the usa. they don’t get special rights legally, but in their day to day lives, they get on pretty much like western gays. for example, there is gay clubs that are not “underground” and gays make up a significant percentage of the entertainers, just like in the west. homosexuality is open in the entertainment business and some of the most popular russian singers are openly lesbian. there was one duo who made it big because of their lesbian act.
most russia gays are not in favour of those gay parades. they don’t like the attention it brings, and prefer living their lives as not a special interest group. i know, not a very jewish attitude.
Gilad Atzmon
June 11, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Hello there, i hope your realise it is a satirical piece..
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 1:40 am
Unlike this which is not satire:
Israel lobby group Iran180 “sodomizes” Ahmadinejad effigy with nuke at San Francisco Pride
The pink=washing really stops working when you start using homophobia to belittle people……
And it wasn’t even in Tel Aviv, but in San Francisco ……
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 1:58 am
Roy Bard
the “twice blessed” are really something, aren’t they.
“And it wasn’t even in Tel Aviv, but in San Francisco ……”
the real sf is not the sf most often thought as. it’s a banker town, sort of like ny. in fact, one probably hears ny accents there more than any other.
Jonathon Blakeley
June 12, 2012 at 8:39 am
shocking… image. So very very wrong.
as the comments say …
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 1:54 am
“Hello there, i hope your realise it is a satirical piece..”
i do.
fool me once...
June 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I’ve got to say Gilad that I’m struggling with the continual digs at the homosexuals.
The delivery of humorous truths, especially that of the abrasive variety, needs careful consideration to avoid coming over like an ignorant bigot. As your skin has thickened over the decades, considerably some might say, you maybe don’t feel the need to concern yourself with the repercussions of your words.
I can see your point about homosexuality being hijacked by the jew agenda, but for me, you’re coming across a bit smug, verging on the arrogant. As you know, being the centre of attention always comes at a price and attaching oneself to that position can find one courting the mantle of the Golumesque variety, in more ways than just appearance. When you watch this video in it’s entirety, do you get the feeling it’s becoming all about you, even though the title says otherwise? The one comment below made me laugh, how about you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FoI52AmpDQ
searching
June 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm
there was a very intersting study done recently by socilogist Mark Regnerus which showed that children raised by homosexual “parents” are on average “more sick and more unhappy.
Many of them were sexually abused by their “parents”, forced into having sex etc.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/2012/06/q-a-with-mark-regnerus-about-the-background-of-his-new-study/
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Mad as hell and you’re not gonna take it anymore…
You have a point that it’s been rather heavy on gays lately, although this piece is not really about them: they are just a prop, so to speak, to satirize Israel’s touted tolerance and openness.
If you fear bigotry on the issue you can always go to Paul for balance–he will probably say we all have some homosexuality in us
as we do pedophilia, as we do appreciation for Israel’s and zionism’s fierce beauty.
You have a point also about the inherent dangers of a personality cult that can hypertrophy a need for attention BUT–I’ll say this even if I am setting my hair on fire — you make it with some unnecessarily mean digs and low blows.
Perhaps the reason is that
you are mad as hell and you’re not gonna take it anymore
but not because of the gay issue.
Paul Eisen
June 12, 2012 at 1:26 pm
“…..go to Paul for balance–he will probably say we all have some homosexuality in us as we do pedophilia, as we do appreciation for Israel’s and zionism’s fierce beauty.”
I do indeed (though let’s leave out the paedophilia – it’s too explosive an issue).
I’m interested that you refer to Zionisms ‘fierce’ beauty. What a wonderfeul word to use. Does your use of the word signify that you see it too?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 1:34 pm
“I’m interested that you refer to Zionisms ‘fierce’ beauty. What a wonderfeul word to use. Does your use of the word signify that you see it too?”
I am glad you liked it. You’re welcome to it.
No, I have, apparently a Goyisch lack of aesthetic capacity in this regard, aggravated by the lack of jewish education.
The only reason I used the word was that I thought it too tedious to scroll back and dig up your exact phrasing so I probably imagined how you see it.
Paul Eisen
June 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Pity.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Pity what, Paul? That I am condemned to miss out on that hell of a lot of beauty that is the state of Israel?
I’ll try to feel consoled that at least I have your compassion
Paul Eisen
June 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm
It’s a pity because if you saw what I saw that could mean that there is more to the beauty I see than just the deluded imaginings of my poor, sick Jewish soul.
That could mean that Israel wasn’t as evil as we all imagine, which could in turn make us ask what else isn’t as evil as we all imagine.
Now, wouldn’t that be interesting?
I’ve made this argument with reference to National Socialism and I can’t quite see why it can’t be made about Zionism.
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Actually Ariadna,,, it is important that you make an effort to see a glimpse of ‘beauty’ in Zionism and Israel,, because this would clearly help you to grasp what Israel is all about and why it is attracts so many Jews and other fellow travelers..
We are dealing with a morbid victorious narrative saturated with self love,, i obviously ridiculed it in the above piece but this is how most Israelis and Jews see themselves..
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Gilad:
“it is important that you make an effort to see a glimpse of ‘beauty’ in Zionism and Israel,, because this would clearly help you to grasp what Israel is all about and why it is attracts so many Jews and other fellow travelers..”
———-
What? Understanding what zionism and Israel is all about and why it attracts so many jews is now equated with “glimpsing its beauty”?!?
Gilad, until now I thought you considered ‘beauty’ an aesthetic concept (up to Keats’ equivalence: beauty is truth), but it seems that it has for you the elastic capacity to cover the whole lexical horizon of the English language:
= ideological attraction/affinity
= ‘victorious narrative’ (backed by brute force)
= ambiguous and general “goodness” (to some)
The paleoencephalon –the reptilian brain– needs only two opposite poles: “food” versus “non-food.”
You, for whom English is a 2nd/3rd language, set me (also a non-native speaker) back, way back, if you tell me now that we should communicate either
–in the Tower of Babylon fashion, using words as we each please, making them mean what we please depending on the occasion
or
–by trimming our vocabulary and the concepts they express to two designations: “beauty” (yum-yjm) or “non-beauty” (interrupting concerts?)
I cannot therefore hope to imagine I understand “what Israel is all about” and why it attracts Jews unless I appreciate Israel’s “beauty”?
Haven’t we OD’ed on “beauty” already?
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm
AT: “What? Understanding what zionism and Israel is all about and why it attracts so many jews is now equated with “glimpsing its beauty”?!?”
G: Certainly from Jewish, Israeli and zionist’s perspective.. they regarded their revival as an aesthetic incarnation…To a certain extent their homecoming project was inspired spiritually, intellectually and ideologically by German early romanticism and was saturated with art and re-creation.. they re-invented their language, their new poetry, hebraic prose, music, plastic art. Part of it is due to the increasing influence of German intellectuals who immigrated to Pls in the 1930′s.. (following the haavara agreement)
In fact, i am a product of their obsession with (new hebraic) beauty.. and I am just one amongst very many successful artists who were raised there.. The notion of beauty was crucial within the context of early Zionism and young Israel.. You may refuse to see it, ..i understand it all, but these fact can hardly be dismissed.. These facts are crucial for the comprehension of their barbarism.. I think it was Zizek who said that you cannot commit a genocide with out the poet… maybe these ideas are too deep for a blog comment ,, but i expect you actually to understand it all..
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Here is Zizek’s quote
“No ethnic cleansing without poetry. You need to arouse people to do something as horrible as ethnic cleansing with a national ethnic myth which gives people the perverse strength to kill other people. For this you need something spiritual- poetry.”
In short, if you want to understand Barbarism you better learn to see the beauty that in entangled with it..
searching
June 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm
There is nothing surprising in it.
Zionists btw learned very well from Nazis and from the bolshevics on the power of art turned in a propaganda.
Art became utilized as a way to shape people’s minds and spirts.
Especially with the invention of a new media that can reach masses (tv, radio, cinema, now internet etc). In order to totallly brainwash people you have to use a majority of new tactics. Art is a very good tactic because for ages was about “beauty”, so it seemed fairly benign as a way to smuggle propaganda in it.
We kicked God’s and natural laws out of the door, replaced them something else, ( nature does not tolerate vacuousness) and now we are SCARED of what we see.
Israel and Nazis made “Chosen” race into god, USA is making The State into god, many people made art, music, sex, drugs,another humans/celebrities, animals, planet earth, trees, fire etc. into gods, and we have what we have.
A Big f..n mess.
searching
June 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm
“Israel and Nazis made “Chosen” race into god, USA is making The State into god,
many people made art, music, sex, drugs,another humans/celebrities, animals, planet earth, trees, fire etc. into gods, and we have what we have”
Of all those “gods” ,the first two are the most dangerous ones for the whole humanity. Although those other “gods ” are also necesary to confuse people , manipulate , keep them in a trance/zombie like state,
so they don’t find their way.
searching
June 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Gilad, I think you are going over the top with your over-use of the word “beauty’.
I don’t have to go into a brain of a psychopath to “appreciate” his sense of “beauty” that his twisted mind sees in a tortured by him person.
Don’t classify moral turpitude/wickedness as a “beauty” just becasue some may see it that way.
The same logic is used by all those, who attack another countries , and call it a “humanitarian Mission” ,or by gay groups who “sodomise and rape ” symbolically Iranian president, while demanding respect and approval from the the societies.
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm
searching: I don’t have to go into a brain of a psychopath to “appreciate” his sense of “beauty” that his twisted mind sees in a tortured by him person.
really? I am actually also very interested in Nazi art and Nazi fetish with beauty…have you ever thought about the idea that Bebop, the one and only American art form, was also born when America became a mass murderer… It is adorable that you insist hopelessly to turn blind eye to the most interesting crucial facts,, but the truth of the matter is that left banality stimulates me and pushes me forward..
searching
June 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm
“I am actually also very interested in Nazi art and Nazi fetish with beauty’
They considered themselves upper humans, better race, so there is nothing suprising with their “Fetish with beauty”.
For them art was more importnat than human life, especially the life of a lower race.
i know people who claim that they love animals more than people.
If one removes God from his life ,anything may become an object of adoration/veneration. art included.
searching
June 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm
“If you let vermin populate, the rights of the vermin are born.
And supporters/eulogists are born who WILL PRAISE them.”
-Antoine de Saint-Exupery
fool me once...
June 12, 2012 at 7:58 pm
@Ariadna
Had to shoot off to work, so didn’t take the time to check the offence factor reading, although I did the “smiley wink” to show there was no nasties. So, take yer big BUT and … 
“BUT–I’ll say this even if I am setting my hair on fire – you make it with some unnecessarily mean digs and low blows.”
Worry not, your barnet is safe
Hey, btw have you noticed recently that when you’ve been selecting meals and you’re eyeing up the ingredients for the”pot”, you’ve been slipping in the phrase “curry favour” beforehand?
No big deep meaning really – but after the captain Cook story, I thought it was like code for…. never mind…
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 13, 2012 at 4:50 am
You make me feel guilty for having stirred the hidden cannibal in you with images of forbidden choice meats softly stewed in curry…
You keep coming back to them.
No, it was a random reference that other time, not a signal to put on the bibs
fool me once...
June 12, 2012 at 9:15 pm
@Ariadna
“Perhaps the reason is that
you are mad as hell and you’re not gonna take it anymore
but not because of the gay issue.”
A little over cooked but very perceptive Watson. But I’m not too sure why?!?. Something don’t sit right. Drawing attention to the zews for their elitist supremacism I suppose, is going to leave the messenger open to close scrutiny even if the message is true and plain to see!?!… Cheers for the feed back.
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Hello Fool me,,I hear what you are saying and I really try to be as careful as i can. I obviously have no problem with homosexuality. ,, however, I find it all very interesting because the similarities between the Jewish Lobby and the gay lobby are staggering. We are dealing here with two global operations that promote sectorial interests world wide.
I believe that groups who operate politically must be subject to political scrutiny and accept criticism, this applies to Jewish lobbies but also to gay lobbies and any other marginal lobbies..
I wrote about it extensively in The Wandering Who. I am basically very interested in marginal politics and it is not surprising that my bitterest opponents are marginal activists..
searching
June 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm
“I find it all very interesting because the similarities between the Jewish Lobby and the gay lobby are staggering. We are dealing here with two global operations that promote sectorial interests world wide. ”
You are very correct.
The Jewish Power Elite uses whole “gay agenda” as a gag to shut people’s mouth, and as a way to destroy traditonal concept of marrigae, family .
One other main reason is to attack Church and undermind its values.
All of it makes sense when we remember that the Jewish Power Elite is luciferian at its core, and its main purpouse is to massively depopulate the planet, and bring about luciferian style global government.
Their missioon is almost accomplished.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Gilad:” the similarities between the Jewish Lobby and the gay lobby are staggering.”
“Staggering is an exaggeration and if you keep it up you will soon find yourself snuggled in bed with Chomsky who, by exaggerating the power and importance of other lobbies in the US (laughably he cites the AARP), seeks to downplay the power of the Jewish Lobby.
He sells JP as “a lobby like any other lobby, not very different from your packaging the jewish lobby with “any other marginal lobbies.” Israel also is “a state like any other state,” what?
Granted, all political lobbies have common characteristics: they have the same goal (more “rights” for their group) and they use the same methods (political bribery/blackmail and media saturation with their messsage.
Nevertheless one can agree I hope that the only reason for the prominence of the gay lobby is their jewish support. Haven’t heard much about any other ‘marginal group’ lobby that lack that support.
Individual farmers’ lobby anyone? For a laugh: how about the islamic lobby?
searching
June 12, 2012 at 3:18 pm
gay looby is a creation, a baby of a Jewish Power Elite, The same as feminism, an abortion industry, hollywoodised entertainment industry, gmo food industry, a, vaccinations industry, and many others.
All of it has one main goal in common.
This goal is being reached slowly ,too slowly so more rapid means are prepared, and soon, they will be in a massive use.
If one does not value freedom and life,
he is doomed not to have them.
We ‘ve sold ourselves very cheap, and we’ll pay the price for it.
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm
no my dear ,,, you simply do not understand what marginal politics is all about..furthermore, we are dealing here with a global operation… and the tactics are pretty similar …again i explore it in TWW,, I spoke to Jonathon, we may post the relevant chapter on deli..
searching
June 12, 2012 at 6:54 pm
who is the “dear ” caught in the headlights?? me or ariadna?
yes, I am fully aware that we are dealing here with a” Global operation”.
I knew that a good few years ago, even thoghugh, then ,I really hoped that I was mistaken.
Now I know that I am not.
A great quote from the book that I love: “Man’s earch for meaning” (V.FrankL).
A fragment of short speech that the author gave to its desperate inmates in a concentrantion camp.
“Human life under ANY circumstances , NEVER ceases to have a meaning , and that this infinite meaning of life includes suffering and dying, privation and death…
I asked the poor creatures who listened to me in the darkness of the hut to face up to the seriousness of our position.
They must not lose hope ,but should keep their courage in the certainty that the hopelessness of our struggle did not detract from its dignity and its meaning.
I said that someone looks down on each of us in difficult hours–a friend,a wife , somebody alive or dead, or a God–and he would not expect us to disappoint him. “
fool me once...
June 12, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Hi Gilad, thanx for replying.
For me, one of the things that causes a hiccup in the thought flow is the inconsistency of the terminology. I hear and understand what you say about the difference between homosexuality and the jewish gay lobby agenda (?) but, it all gets a bit blurry, verging on the pig ignorant when reading the chit chat about it on here, which is a shame as it’s an important topic and easy to understand.
Having spent years working in a male environment, witnessing the intense cruel bullying towards homosexuals and even slightly effeminate males, has made me intolerant of such blinkered behaviour. That said, I do think things have improved in recent years, mainly due to gay rights but I take your point about the jewish/israeli co-option.
.
An example of perceived inconsistency in your jewish narrative is in these examples;
In the video at 8.00mins you say…
“Jews the people, that I NEVER refer to…” (my emphasis)
but then this…
“We are dealing with a morbid victorious narrative saturated with self love,, i obviously ridiculed it in the above piece but this is how most Israelis and JEWS see themselves…” (my emphasis).
I’m not trying to nit pick, just understand.
fool me once...
June 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Oops! forgot to post the relevant video.
An example of perceived inconsistency in your jewish narrative is in these examples;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fsm_TZGVkRI#!
In the video at 8.00mins you say…
“Jews the people, that I NEVER refer to…” (my emphasis)
but then, on this thread…
“We are dealing with a morbid victorious narrative saturated with self love,, i obviously ridiculed it in the above piece but this is how most Israelis and JEWS see themselves…” (my emphasis).
I’m not trying to nit pick, just understand.
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 11:11 pm
fool me once…
“Having spent years working in a male environment, witnessing the intense cruel bullying towards homosexuals and even slightly effeminate males”
career military, cop/prison guard, cowboy, jock?
that behaviour, you described about those guys, is classic closet gay behaviour, btw.
fool me once...
June 13, 2012 at 2:08 am
@who_me
“career military, cop/prison guard, cowboy, jock?”
Nah, none of the above. I’m a brickie/manual worker. Did a few work schemes after leaving school then picked up the steel and stuck with that. I should have done more reading though, as I’ve found out coming on here.
“that behaviour, you described about those guys, is classic closet gay behaviour, btw.”
The thing is you don’t realise it though when witnessing it when you’re young, it seems normal. Now I’m older looking back I can see that it was probably a fear driving the anger – fear of exposure maybe?
Gilad Atzmon
June 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Fool me, i hope you remember that I differentiate between homosexuality (sexual preference) and gay politics (identity)..we are entitled to criticize politics…
Jonathon Blakeley
June 11, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Russia sounds like a cool place despite the bad press.
So RU a Russian Who me?
who_me
June 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm
“So RU a Russian Who me?”
nope.
shoshana
June 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm
russians are only leaving israel in the short term-
they’ll be back–the world is on the move
things aren’t too cool in russia either
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 11, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Vitas, star and gay heartthrob of Russia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0BZJwDDCKU&feature=related
who_me
June 11, 2012 at 9:43 pm
try these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0k-OWxInG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEqvMNYonXw
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 12:04 am
I love it , Russian Bosa Nova..
who_me
June 11, 2012 at 9:31 pm
shoshana
“just remember gays also carry guns”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbfd3SFeF-Q
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 12:03 am
And here are happy IDF soldiers @ the occupied casba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q3NcMzJNx8
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 2:38 am
It’s an intriguing idea, Gilad.
Although Israel is indeed an open, tolerant and inclusive society, measures will have to taken, and laws and regulations enacted to ensure the full integration of the numerous new Gayraelis without discrimination. In that regard the American experience with racial desegregation can serve as a blueprint:
–mixed ultra-orthodox and gay housing
–busing yeshiva students to schools providing sex education in their curricula
–an affirmative action program to recruit and hire gay rabbis
–gay representatives in the Knesset, a.s.o.
–a museum dedicated to the preservation of the painful memory of gay repression (in the diaspora)
searching
June 12, 2012 at 3:19 am
-let’s not forget gay’s marriages celebrated in synagouges with gay high rabbis as the ones who offically perform it.
-Gay’s adoption of ultra-orthdox children.
-combining goyim anti-gayism with goyim anti-semitism and teaching it together at schools as we’ve seen in the movie “Defamation”.
-persecuting all , who are openly an anti-gay agenda.
creating gay friendly athmosphere as the obligatory one in every nook and corner of Gaysrahell.
Monitoring 24/7 words , actions and thoughts of all citzens of the state in order to catch those who are not “tolerant”, gay friendly, gay open, gay about gays, and then declare them the Enemies of the Gaysrahell.
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 8:29 am
Hi Ariadna, i think that we don’t even have to discuss those suggestions, i do not have any doubt in my mind that such developments would evolve naturally and organically..:_
Jonathon Blakeley
June 12, 2012 at 8:36 am
lol
Deadbeat
June 12, 2012 at 8:11 am
If you’re white, you’re right.
If you’re brown, we’ll frown.
If you’re gay, you can stay.
But if you’re black, well you know the story…
Black Migrants in White Israel
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 8:34 am
Correct, it is more than just Palestine.. we have to oppose the Jewish State and every form of Jewish power and politics,, The images from Israel in the last 48 hrs are horrid!!! And the next question is whether these people who ethnically cleanse refugees can live in peace with anyone..
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 8:46 am
The Russians really love Israel.. read this http://english.pnn.ps/index.php/national/1879-former-israeli-military-man-arrested-at-refugee-camp-wants-to-give-up-israeli-citizenship
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 9:19 pm
sounds like a decent sort. reading about that guy, it occured to me that the reason there are so few decent israeli jews is that maybe the most the decent ones either leave or becoame palestinians, so what is left in israel ends up being the sediment at the bottom of the vat.
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 3:06 pm
It is funny to see that so called “progressives” have more to say about the fact that Tel Aviv is gay friendly than about the way they are treated in places like Iran.
Paul Eisen
June 12, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Who on this website ever claimed to be “progressive”?
searching
June 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I did not.
Paul Eisen
June 12, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Nor did I. Are there any “progressives” out there? Come on, own up.
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Me neither.
Maybe cosmo will explain why he is calling us something we don’t identify with?
But I won’t hold my breath….
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Cosmo wanders many sites on the internet and gets tired and confused.
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Cosmo the Zionist loves progressivness because because the ‘progressive’ is the chosen’s twin..
Deadbeat
June 12, 2012 at 11:13 pm
I’m a reformed progressive. I drank the Kool-Aid for years until I got involved in the 2003 anti-war movement and 2004 Nader campaigned and saw up close who the “progressives” really are, how they really operated and uncovered their “progressives” lies and half-truths. This led me to want to do further research of the “progressives” to progressively uncover even more lies and half-truths.
Their power over the media and activist organizations are astounding as they are the front line defenses for Zionism having as their primary aim domination over the opposition by pretending to be the “opposition”. The amount of “brainwashing” on the “Left” is simply mind-numbing.
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 3:49 pm
If any of you is offended by that term I apologize.
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Cosmo
“If any of you is offended by that term I apologize.”
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Cosmo: “the way they are treated in places like Iran”
And no-one has mentioned the executions of Nir Katz 24, and Liz Trobashi 27 either
Would you like to discuss that?
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I wouldn’t call it an execution, I would call it murder or terror but yes I will be happy to discuss that.
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I don’t know – if you open fire with an assault rifle in a room full of people I’d call it an execution.
Same as I’d call this death an execution.
And Israel showed its compassion for Nir Katz’s partner by offering to deport him
So, was the intention of your post to demonstrate that Israel is tolerant of, and compassionate towards gays whilst Iran is not? If so I think you’re on shaky ground.
Any way – what is about Iran’s treatment of gay people that you think we should be focussing on – oh and is it from personal experience you’re talking – eg have you been to a gay club in Teheran for instance? If not, then where are you getting the information from? And did you pick Iran randomly or was there another reason – like Israel wants to go with Iran, perhaps?
Looking forward to your answer
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm
The headline of your link says Israel decides not to deport him, but why shouldn’t Israel deport him if his visa is over? I have an Israeli friend which got married to dutch man but was not given citizenship or even allowed to live in Holland. Well I think it is obvious that Israel is tolerant towards gays while Iran isn’t. You only have to listen to their leaders speak to know that. I haven’t been to a gay club in Teheran because A I am not gay, B I don’t think they exist at least not in the open, C I don’t want to be executed since that is the law there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran#Capital_punishment
http://youtu.be/WT3cnFCPKxY
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 6:07 pm
“You only have to listen to their leaders speak to know that”
Why don’t you tell us about the Knesset votes to ban gay pride marches in Jerusalem and all of Israel?
And it seems you don’t know anything about gays and Iran?
So why are you so keen for us to discuss it?
Is it cos you care desperately about Gay people?
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 7:04 pm
There are gay pride marches in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv so I guess the Knesset didn’t ban them. Well maybe if Iran was an open free society like Israel is we would know more. I am sure you wouldn’t like Arabs to be treated by Israel the way gay people are treated by the Iranian government, it is illegal to be gay in Iran what more does one need to know?
I do have many openly gay friends and I do care about gay rights. The question is why do Israel haters like yourself and Gilad find the fact that unlike any other Muslim country. Homosexuals rights are respected in Israel so irritating.
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 7:46 pm
“There are gay pride marches in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv so I guess the Knesset didn’t ban them.”
Oh but they did they pass “their preliminary reading with a handsome majority”
So what was it you were saying about the leaders?
” Well maybe if Iran was an open free society like Israel is we would know more. ”
Except of course Israel isn’t really an open free society, is it? Enough of us have gone through the rampant goy humiliation procedures at Ben Gurion to know that…. And for all its pink-washing – it certainly can’t claim to be free of homophobia, can it?
“I am sure you wouldn’t like Arabs to be treated by Israel the way gay people are treated by the Iranian government”
You really are pushing the old hasbarah today, aren’t you Cosmo?
“it is illegal to be gay in Iran what more does one need to know?”
That situations are not black and white. Israel is not a homophobe free heaven for gays and there are gay venues in Teheran. Sure there are Iranian judges who misapply the law – but Israel has a whole system of judges whose job IS to misapply the law (ie in the military courts) – and why should be we fooled by pro-Israel jerks pleading for mercy for gays in Iran when they are at the same time promoting the wholesale slaughter of Iranian civilians? It really isn’t a convincing act.
” The question is why do Israel haters like yourself and Gilad find the fact that unlike any other Muslim country. Homosexuals rights are respected in Israel so irritating.”
I can’t speak for Gilad – but personally its the pink-washing that irritates the crap out of me.
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I call your pink washing, brown washing meaning everything positive about Israel must be taken dump on by Israel haters since the hate inside them burn so hard it doesn’t allow them any sort of rational thinking on the subject.
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I’m afraid that for as long as Israel relies on brutal oppression in order to function, any good is far outweighed by the bad.
Not that you’ve managed to persuasively demonstrate anything good about it………….
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge there are postive aspects to Israel? Why do you have to use twisted logic to convince yourself Israel is pure evil?
Turkey isn’t very popular in Israel but when they took part in helping to extinguish the Carmel forest fire, I didn’t say they are doing it to cover their crimes when they allowed some Syrian refugees across the border I happy their government did some good I wasn’t mad that they got some good PR. What is good about Palestine Jordan Syria or Egypt?
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge there are postive aspects to Israel?
Mainly because I find the hasbara pretty unconvincing ….. although I grew up believing that Israel was a plucky little state surviving against the all odds, once I’d been there (the first time I was on a kibbutz) I started seeing that there was much that was wrong.
and after telling us how balanced you are, giving praise where praise is due you come up with “What is good about Palestine Jordan Syria or Egypt?”
Erm, is cos they are Islamic that they are all bad?
Oh and the answer is they all have some really great people living there
If it wasn’t for their anti-social neighbour and its best buddy they’d be even better places.
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm
are you a proud gay, cosmo?
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I am a proud Israeli but I am not gay.
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm
but some of your best friends are gay AND out – so its alright…..
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 9:51 pm
cosmo, if israel is such a great place, why do you feel you have to hide the fact you are gay? you don’t want “mother” to know, is that it?
Cosmo
June 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm
I have no idea why would you assume I am gay, but not all Israelis are. Calling a person you disagree with gay just shows how low you guys have sunk.
Roy Bard
June 12, 2012 at 10:11 pm
“Calling a person you disagree with gay just shows how low you guys have sunk.”
Says the person who called us all progressives…..
How did we get to be “you guys” – I don’t think you’re gay, more likely a homophobe….
fool me once...
June 12, 2012 at 11:39 pm
@Cosmo
“extinguish the Carmel forest fire,
Seen as though you brought it up, don’t you think the appeal video was rather dubious and cheesy. Would you agree it was fair to accuse the JNF, of making a cheap tawdry jewsploitation video of the whole drama. Come on man, it was bad. Try 1.13mins precisely for the premature money shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l34FFErTTYE
searching
June 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm
i think cosmo, solar , shoshashana, mathisphd etc claimed to be “progressive”, but for some strange , “unexplainded “reason ,most of them are gone from here. I think thay found the website boring. Not too many here share their “progressive” views.
searching
June 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm
here is an israeli “tolerance” in practice.
“…Ahead of the migrants’ arrests, the Israeli government also has sped up construction on a new detention facility set to warehouse arrested refugees.
The prison, Ir Amim, or city of nations, is planned to hold over 10,000 asylum seekers. Haaretz reported today a construction worker on site said, “We’re building the Sudanese a political asylum.” Haaretz’s Gili Cohen then continued, “the inmates will stay in shipping containers turned into mobile homes….”
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/80-refugees-are-rounded-up-as-israels-interior-minister-declares-this-country-belongs-to-the-white-man.html
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Paul, June 12, 3:01:
” if you saw what I saw that could mean that there is more to the beauty I see than just the deluded imaginings of my poor, sick Jewish soul.
That could mean that Israel wasn’t as evil as we all imagine, which could in turn make us ask what else isn’t as evil as we all imagine.
Now, wouldn’t that be interesting?
I’ve made this argument with reference to National Socialism and I can’t quite see why it can’t be made about Zionism.”
———-
That was helpful. I take it that you grew up with the Jewish narrative of the unique Jewish suffering, the notion of the irrational evil of not just the National Socialism (NS) and Nazi Germany but also the inbred anti-semitism of the Goy world.
You took the incredibly courageous act of exploring these axioms, conversing even with the “maudis” Holocaust deniers, researched, read, probed and found grievous faults with the narrative. You went from your findings in the Particular (unredeemable all-evil National Socialism) to the General (the Goy world) and found that that devil was also not all black.
Now you want to reverse your journey, from the general to the particular of Israel/zionism, hoping you will find sufficient palliative ambiguity there also to promise redemption.
The reason the arguments that can be made about NS CANNOT be made about Israel/zionism is simple.
You, who know about Deir Yasin than even some Palestinians, should know that:
–a close examination (like yours and that of many others) of the biggest indictments of NS/Nazi Germany are made about things that DID NOT HAPPEN AT ALL;
–even a passing acquaintance with Israel history and current character condemns its unrelieved evil based on what DID HAPPEN and CONTINUES TO HAPPEN.
I find it interesting that you and Gilad crossed paths on your journeys in different directions: his took him away from the particular evil represented by Israel and he found residence in the most general: the universal.
Your quest is to make that same particular that he escaped morally habitable and you ask passers-by like me, unfeeling Goyim, if by any chance they don’t find some –the dreaded “B” word — in it, enticing them to seek it, with the promise it might be “interesting” and appealing to their emotions by mentioning your “poor, sick Jewish soul.”
But the sadistic Goy in me, always evil, says: NEIN!
[Emoticons a la carte]
Paul Eisen
June 12, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Ariadna
Would you say that Zionism and Israel are uniquely evil ideology/and practices?
If yes, could you say why and if no, could you say what other ideologies/practices compare with it?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Gilad,
In my opinion your theory on “B” (can’t bring myself to type the wretched, abused word anymore) is not quite ready for Prime Time.
Protracted discussions here have failed, it seems to me, to help you patch the gaping holes in your Zeppelin and make it airworthy. It keeps making embarrassing noises when prodded and wrinkles back down into an unsightly mess despite its shiny decals: “German Romanticism” … “Zizek said”
Nothing beats, however, the “connection” you see between beebop and American massacres–if you take it publicly expect the music to stop and be able to hear a penny drop.’
What ARE you smoking? Bad trip.
First hasbara was “B” now the whole Israel project is “B”.
If I didn’t know any better I’d wonder if you don’t by any chance want to come in from the cold and are seeking a visa on your philosopher’s passport. Philosophers are given latitude, they are expected to be eccentrics. You are a philosopher AND an artist: twice forgivable.
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 7:04 pm
AT: Gilad,
In my opinion your theory on “B” (can’t bring myself to type the wretched, abused word anymore) is not quite ready for Prime Time.
G: 1. A it isn’t ‘my theory’, i repeat here some basic German idealist and early romanticist thoughts.
2. these ideas had been widely discussed for years,, they are not very popular since the end of WWII. I guess we know why..
AT:Protracted discussions here have failed, it seems to me, to help you patch the gaping holes in your Zeppelin and make it airworthy. It keeps making embarrassing noises when prodded and wrinkles back down into an unsightly mess despite its shiny decals: “German Romanticism” … “Zizek said”
Nothing beats,
G: I can only be sorry for you, just move on.. Early Romanticism and Zizek’s insight are meaningful enough to me and to the people who follow my work … but I accept that some just don’t get it…
i can live with it..what about you?
AT: however, the “connection” you see between beebop and American massacres–if you take it publicly expect the music to stop and be able to hear a penny drop.’
G: The connection is obvious..barbarism and murder are ecstatic moments in human history. They invoke a burst of creative powers..but they are also fueled by these powers.. is it that complicated?
AT: What ARE you smoking? Bad trip.
First hasbara was “B” now the whole Israel project is “B”.
G: sorry to disappoint you my dear, but it seems as if you are clueless about to the entire Zionist project, you don’t understand the ideology , the practice or the culture. You are just another leftist searching for some talmudic herem spiel ala boycott and sanctions. I guess that within a few weeks you ll end up commenting on Greeny’s blog,, to be honest, this this is where you belong.
G: If I didn’t know any better I’d wonder if you don’t by any chance want to come in from the cold and are seeking a visa on your philosopher’s passport. Philosophers are given latitude, they are expected to be eccentrics. You are a philosopher AND an artist: twice forgivable.
G: I appreciate your forgiveness but i must admit, i tend to lose patience with intellectual lameness.. I can sense it happening..
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 9:38 pm
poor g, being a foreigner to the american heirarchy, he doesn’t realise he’s come up against “the american woman”. there is no disagreeing with “the american woman” allowed. they are the absolute authority. worse than the old catholic church, even. one does as their told, believes what they’re told to believe and learns how say “yes mam” instinctively, or they get an earful till they do. there is no alternative. “the american woman” runs the usa, and all that is within its borders, the same way azz run the anti-zionist movement and the “left”. in fact, it may well be “the american woman” is behind it all, and is the one running it all on the sly through the zionist jews.
who_me
June 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm
and if one thinks “the american woman” is strict with those on the “left”, one should observe the sheer terror her presence has upon males on the right. the “lefties” are lucky, they just get an earful, usually, the righties, well, let’s just say they better quickly learn to instinctively respond with “yes, mistress”…
who_me
June 13, 2012 at 12:34 am
btw, the most powerful weapon “the american woman” has in her toolbox is passive-aggressiveness. her second most effective weapon is tears. when she puts the 2 together, it’s a done deal.
who_me
June 13, 2012 at 12:35 am
think i forgot something.
there…
fool me once...
June 13, 2012 at 1:10 am
who_me, You was milking it a bit there man. Oooo… she’s got under yer skin
You sound like a ‘man scorned. What happened?
Yours and AT convo’s are well interesting, been learning loads of stuff.
Next you’ll be suggesting this as her swan song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wQFaX83l1E
who_me
June 13, 2012 at 1:21 am
fool me once…
loyal is an admirable quality.
who_me
June 13, 2012 at 4:04 am
that should have been loyalty is an admirable quality.
anyway, while we are busy here taking the piss out of/desperately defending at, israel’s bum wipes are busy ratcheting up the terror in syria to a new level. clinton and peres just had one of their little meets and one can bet it wasn’t to compare notes on madonna’s skill with a strap-on.
searching
June 13, 2012 at 2:04 am
who me,
You do take delight in labaling and sterotypes.
Somoe
June 12, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Gilad
This comment is out of order in the sense that you are wrong. To tell an author and commenter of Ariadna’s calibre that she belongs on Greenies blog is just plain stupid and quite frankly I’m disappointed in you.
Your comment comes across as a personal attack and I think you owe her an apology. She has made some very good points and to dismiss her so cursorily is to ignore the enormous contribution she has made to this site which is supposed to be all about debate and deliberation.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Thank you. I really appreciate your kind thoughts and words. Nevertheless I don’t think Gilad owes me an apology if only for the fact that it is his site, after all, and in his house he has the right to decide to whom he wishes to show the door.
Somoe
June 13, 2012 at 12:06 am
I disagree
Whilst Gilad was a key founder of the site – he would deny that it is his site alone – it was created for everyone that needed a voice in the barren landscape of media outlets and crafted by Jonathon it has grown into a community of which you are an integral part. I don’t really think that it is the place of anyone to show anyone else the door without any kind of consensus and I don’t think that was Gilad’s intention, Was it, Gilad?
fool me once...
June 13, 2012 at 12:09 am
@Ariadna
Hope that’s irony, as in you having to pretend that you’re jewish to “curry favour” with Gilad, who, may I say, I hope was jesting?
fool me once...
June 12, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Curry anyone?
Gilad Atzmon
June 12, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Somoe, I didn’t write to Ariadna as a contributor but as a person who was engaged in an active discourse, and presented ideas that are consistent with J-BIG and AZZ
However, I have a lot of respect to Ariadna and think very highly of her, i think that she is one of the most interesting writers we have, and yet, reducing the discourse into “What ARE you smoking? Bad trip? demanded a slightly stronger reaction..
Roy Bard
June 13, 2012 at 12:57 am
“presented ideas that are consistent with J-BIG and AZZ”
Nope.
Ariadna is nothing like Tony Greenstein and gang and her ideas are clearly much closer to yours on many of the major issues. Read her on banking and the reply to Paul at 11.43 pm
The “what are you smoking” line wasn’t great – but it doesn’t make her the enemy……
Ariadna, I think the site would be drastically impoverished if you left. Please don’t.
fool me once...
June 13, 2012 at 1:14 am
“Ariadna, I think the site would be drastically impoverished if you left. Please don’t.”
Yeah, right on Roy. That’s what I was trying to say.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 13, 2012 at 4:15 am
Thank you very much, Roy.
I must apologize to Gilad for the incendiary (pun half intended) line on smoking. To the low lives with whom I hang out it only means “Are you for real?” I need to upgrade the company I keep.
Gilad Atzmon
June 13, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Hey Roy, i don’t doubt it for a second,,, I certainly don’t see he as an enemy, quite the opposite,, and our dispute on some issues is actually a eye opener for me…
searching
June 13, 2012 at 2:14 am
How about avoiding personal trips and attacks? Sometimes, in a heat of a disscusion emotions go spinning and out of control, but you both ,(Ariadna and Gilad ) are very reasonable and intelligent people, and even though, your opinions on some subject may vary ,(and they probably will), let’s not emotions take over and lead the discussion.
Tommorrow is another day . hopefully.
The input of both of you to this site is excellent. I could not imagine the site without either of you so … shake you hands, put a smile
searching
June 13, 2012 at 2:18 am
and a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB-vnc7zDhU
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 13, 2012 at 4:30 am
I am sorry for any unintended offense, Gilad.
I find this site enourmously stimulating and alive and
If I Should Lose it, it will be with regret and I’ll remain In Loving Memory of it.
But if I do, Call Me Stupid, Ungrateful… but I will pick all by myself the next blog/site where I wish to comment , thank you very much.
And now for a moment of comic relief–the latest news of the most incredible resurrection since…. no, not Jesus, I think the more recent one was Bin Laden who came back from death younger a couple of times:
“A new video surfaced online Tuesday featuring al Qaeda commander Abu Yahya al-Libi — the same terrorist that American officials declared dead last week — but the video doesn’t appear to reveal whether it was made before or after his reported death.
Before his death, the U.S. State Department’s Rewards for Justice program listed a $1 million reward for information leading to Al-Libi’s capture. In 2010, the National Counter-Terrorism Center listed al-Libi as one of al Qaeda’s top commanders and he was described by one U.S. official last week as among al Qaeda’s “most experienced and versatile leaders.”
“There is no one who even comes close in terms of replacing the expertise [al Qaeda] has just lost,” the official said.”
I hope it is a resurrection not a banal case of the CIA getting mixed up on which tape to release.
Blake
June 12, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Palestine has enough foreigners on their shores. Why condone more.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 12, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Paul June 12, 8:29
Paul: “Would you say that Zionism and Israel are uniquely evil ideology/and practices?
If yes, could you say why and if no, could you say what other ideologies/practices compare with it?”
Yes, Paul, I do say that about Zionism and Israel although I personally don’t like the term evil, laden with religious connotations as it is, especially in the US, which for me doesn’t obtain.
I will say Israel is uniquely pernicious.
Yes, it can be compared to other ideologies/states, powers: apartheid–check! colonialist project– check! racism– check! ethnic cleansing–check!
but none of those traits or all combined constitute what makes it unique.
There have been powers that invaded, colonized, exterminated the natives/ethnic cleansed them, etc. by virtue of their superior force.
Whether they were large states, or tiny ones like the ancient city states or like Portugal in the Middle Ages, each and every one of them had superior military power/know-how with which they smashed the natives.
Israel is uniquely pernicious because it accomplishes its goals by using, not its own, but the power of superpowers whose governments and levers of control it infiltrates and takes over. On several continents now.
Zionism, through JP, invades the DNA cells of the host, to use a biology metaphor, takes over its replicating mechanism and makes endless copies of itself in all domains, at all the levels that count.
It is what makes the perniciousness of Israel intractable.
The ideology is one that places callous greed at the top of the desirable “survival skills” Jay mentioned.
Far from beauty, I see in zionism and its statal expression in Israel a merciless and highly efficient replicating machine of ugliness: inhumanity, self-obsession, hatred and greed.
That which makes Israel/zionism unique–unlike other more “visible” empires past and present, which all come and eventually decay and fall–is that with this formula it can endure indefinitely, like the famed Hela cells:
Henrietta Lacks died in the 50s but the cancerous cells harvested from her body are still thriving–more precisely the great- great-great-great-etc granddaughters of those cells continue to thrive in labs throughout the world. All they ned is host cells to feed on and control.
Zionism and israel make the ugliness of the world seem hopeless.
Paul Eisen
June 13, 2012 at 6:51 am
But if this is true this is not Zionist behaviour you describe -it’s Jewish behaviour. In fact in some ways, Zionism began as an attempt to cleanse Jewish life of this kind of thing. What do you think?
searching
June 13, 2012 at 2:27 am
“………Israel is uniquely pernicious because it accomplishes its goals by using, not its own, but the power of superpowers whose governments and levers of control it infiltrates and takes over. On several continents now.
Zionism, through JP, INVADES the DNA cells of the host, to use a biology metaphor, takes over its replicating mechanism and makes endless copies of ITSELF in all domains, at all the levels that count.
It is what makes the perniciousness of Israel intractable……
Far from beauty, I see in zionism and its statal expression in Israel a merciless and highly efficient replicating machine of ugliness: inhumanity, self-obsession, hatred and greed…”
…………
Love this methapor .
It should be framed.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 13, 2012 at 4:38 am
Thanks, searching
searching
June 13, 2012 at 2:39 am
I would also add , ungratefulness. total ungratefulness. i know it is not too christan, but sometimes I wonder why so many PolisH people risked their lives ,(many actually lost them), trying to save Jews during WW2, when insted of thank you and appreciation, they have to put up with obnoxious, fabricated lies about “Polish concentrations camps “, or some other fake stories written by proffesional liers like sleazy J.Gross, Kosinsky or many others?
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_among_the_Nations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_and_Wiktoria_Ulma
who_me
June 13, 2012 at 2:52 am
searching
is the shoe polish or furniture polish?
searching
June 13, 2012 at 3:02 am
why, why they did it??
Why the Ulma’s family risked their (they actually lost it) their and their many childern lives hiding Jews, while in America and the West rich , powerful zionists Jews were profiting enormously from sellings arms to Hitler, from buliding concentration camps etc.
They helped Hitler and Nazis to gain the power in Germany , they willingly sacrificed poor Jews of “lower cathegory” from Eastern and central Europe as an offering for the future power and might of Zionist Israel.
Then, they used this offering, this holocaust made of their own people as an excuse to milk more money by creating the Holocaust Industry. This “Holocasut Industry” helped them to further fortify and expand their position in the post ww2 world, and gave them all means (finacial, ideological) to terrorise so called western world with constant accusations of anti-Semitism, as well as keeping Jews in check by a constant reminder of “what might happen to them if they don’t stay together thick as a brick.”
searching
June 13, 2012 at 3:07 am
those who have not watch it yet. It is a must.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06GZpoEC4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOrBo2HVjs&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TySOXehBhtk&feature=channel&list=UL
searching
June 13, 2012 at 2:44 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_among_the_Nations