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The Bomb: Bibi, Bob and Vanunu

At the United Nations on Thursday, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu pointed to his bomb and red line regarding Iran and he put me in mind of Bob Dylan, “The only person you have to think twice about lying to is either yourself or to God.”




Bibi managed to deflect attention from Israel’s Military Occupation of Palestine but as Bob sang:

Yes, n how many years can some people exist, Before they’re allowed to be free?
Yes, n how many times can a man turn his head, Pretending he just doesn’t see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind, The answer is blowin in the wind…


What’s also blowing in the wind is what Mordechai Vanunu, Israel’s Nuclear Whistle Blower said:

“Did you know that President Kennedy tried to stop Israel from building atomic weapons? In 1963, he forced Prime Minister Ben Guirion to admit the Dimona was not a textile plant, as the sign outside proclaimed, but a nuclear plant. The Prime Minister said, ‘The nuclear reactor is only for peace.’

Kennedy insisted on an open internal inspection. He wrote letters demanding that Ben Guirion open up the Dimona for inspection.

The French were responsible for the actual building of the Dimona. The Germans gave the money; they were feeling guilty for the Holocaust, and tried to pay their way out. Everything inside was written in French, when I was there, almost twenty years ago. Back then, the Dimona descended seven floors underground.

In 1955, Perez and Guirion met with the French to agree they would get a nuclear reactor if they fought against Egypt to control the Sinai and Suez Canal. That was the war of 1956. Eisenhower demanded that Israel leave the Sinai, but the reactor plant deal continued on.

When Johnson became president, he made an agreement with Israel that two senators would come every year to inspect. Before the senators would visit, the Israelis would build a wall to block the underground elevators and stairways. From 1963 to ’69, the senators came, but they never knew about the wall that hid the rest of the Dimona from them.

Nixon stopped the inspections and agreed to ignore the situation. As a result, Israel increased production. In 1986, there were over two hundred bombs. Today, they may have enough plutonium for ten bombs a year.” –BEYOND NUCLEAR: Mordechai Vanunu’s FREEDOM of SPEECH Trial and My Life as a Muckraker: 2005-2010

BEYOND NUCLEAR: Mordechai Vanunu's Freedom of Speech Trial

“If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way.”- Emile Zola


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24 Responses to The Bomb: Bibi, Bob and Vanunu

  1. Eileen Fleming September 28, 2012 at 3:35 pm #

    Nuclear Weapons on Trial:

    • Blake September 28, 2012 at 8:08 pm #

      Thanks Eileen. Could you elaborate whether “Israel” actually has the n-bomb or just the capability to make one please. As far as I am aware Vanunu just revealed they had the capability to make it but wondering if he had revealed to you that they had actually made one. Thanks.

      • Eileen Fleming September 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm #

        What Vanunu told me was that when he was last there-in 1985-Israel had begun working on thermonuclear technology.

        • Blake September 29, 2012 at 9:28 am #

          Thanks Eileen. You havent posted on VT for a while. Any reason why?

          • Eileen Fleming October 2, 2012 at 1:18 am #

            There is ONE major reason why I have not been back to VT in months–and thank you for missing me there.

  2. Blake September 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm #

    Hilarious photoshop pic of Bibi with his marker:

    • Eileen Fleming September 28, 2012 at 9:46 pm #

      Thanks and isn’t it great when politicians make it so easy to nail their BS!

  3. David Holden September 29, 2012 at 9:08 am #

    to watch the following two short videos one immediately after the other is very enlightening, although the experience will raise more questions than it gives answers.

    for the benefit of those who have not yet seen them, i will forbear to make any comment, except to say that the Wagnerian accompaniment to the second is in my view somewhat too loud. however, given the nature of the content, this is a forgivable lapse of taste.

  4. David Holden September 29, 2012 at 10:14 am #

    whilst it is fascinating to have a view of a computer model of Dimona, and in particular of Golda’s Balcony the strangely muted and undated video at the bottom of Eileen’s post would be helped by some contextualization.

    the word displayed in Hebrew in the top left section means News, this suggests that the information is released with official sanction of some kind. it is, after all, hardly new news.

    my suspicious ears pricked up somewhere in the middle where there was an apparently casual and quite extraneous reference to Iran developing fission weapons.

    tentative conclusion: the real purpose of the video is to subliminally enhance the irrational fear ‘ordinary’ Israelis have about Iran developing nukes and ‘wiping their regime from the pages of history’.

    i would be grateful for some clarification here.

    i would also like to know what Jonathon or other more net-savvy deLiberationists can tell me about the source my initial search takes me immediately out of my depth, but it seems to be an eMule – i.e. web file-charing facility – one forum suggested that warezfaw has some Israeli mods which allow it to steal information from those who use it.

    no doubt my technophobia has obscured my percetions here, and there is a perfectly innocent explanation.

    • Eileen Fleming September 29, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

      Thanks David,

      Here is the context: Vanunu posted that video on his YT channel without sound as he explained “No Volume, No voice in this video, Because it speak Hebrew. This is Dimona as it is working, all by Israel TV channel 10 from 2004.”

      Chanel 10 in Israel used Vanunu’s photos from 1985 to create the 3-D images, but never spoke with him.

  5. David Holden September 29, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

    cheers, Eileen.

    • Eileen Fleming September 29, 2012 at 5:01 pm #

      cheers 2U and i just read this in HAARETZ:

      German writer Gunter Grass criticizes Israel in a new poem and has been declared ‘persona non grata’ by Israel for criticizing its stance on Iran and lauding nuclear whistle-blower Vanunu as a ‘hero.’

      HAARETZ REPORTS: After drawing fire for criticizing Israel’s stance on Iran in a controversial poem earlier this year, prominent German writer Gunter Grass confronts Israeli policy in a new poem, in which he lauds Mordechai Vanunu, a former nuclear technician imprisoned by Israel for years for revealing details of Israel’s nuclear program to the British media.

      In April, Israel declared the Nobel Prize literature laureate Grass “persona non grata” after he published a poem saying it threatened world peace in its standoff with Tehran and that it must not be allowed to launch military strikes against Iran.

      Grass’ poem entitled “What must be said” drew strong criticism from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as well. “His declarations are ignorant and shameful and every honest person in this world must condemn them,” Netanyahu said.

      Grass’s words were also denounced by mainstream political parties in Germany, where any strong condemnation of Israel is taboo because of the Nazi-perpetrated Holocaust.

      In a new poem, part of a collection released ahead of Grass’s 85th birthday and the Frankfurt Book Fair, the German writer calls Vanunu a “paragon” and a “modern-day hero.”

      Relating to Vanunu, Grass writes that only “heroes such as that are needed in the word, which utters words of peace while planning destruction.” The poem details Vanunu’s life story, beginning from his childhood in Beer Sheba, through his studies at the yeshiva, his work at the Dimona nuclear reactor, and finally his conversion to Christianity.

      The Nobel laureate describes how Vanunu was seduced and kidnapped by Israeli agents abroad, after which the former Dimona worker was charged with espionage and placed in solitary confinement for 18 years.

      Grass calls Vanunu a “righteous man, who has remained loyal to his country the entire time,” comparing him to the Biblical Joseph, who was thrown into the cistern by his brothers.

      Grass, who is most famous for his 1959 novel “The Tin Drum,” denies he is anti-Semitic. He has urged his countrymen for decades to come to terms with their Nazi past, but his moral authority has never fully recovered from his admission in 2006 that he once served in Adolf Hitler’s Waffen SS.

      • who_me September 29, 2012 at 9:17 pm #

        “but his moral authority has never fully recovered from his admission in 2006 that he once served in Adolf Hitler’s Waffen SS.”

        interesting. being born in 1928, that would make him 11 when the war began and 17 when it ended. he was still a kid. he couldn’t have been in the ss long or had much idea of what it was about at those ages. but jews will twist anything if they think they can use it to smear a person.

        • Eileen Fleming October 2, 2012 at 1:20 am #

          That is the way Zionists play the game

          • who_me October 2, 2012 at 6:37 am #

            that’s why they need to be taken out of “the game” altogether. they cheat…

          • David Holden October 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

            that sums it up! cheats

            and cheats, being sociopaths, are liars and swindlers by nature, and often incorrigible braggarts also.

            that is why they always end up getting chucked out of decent company.

            they are the kind of whom it has long been said:

            give them one inch, and they’ll take a yard

          • fool me once... October 2, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

            @who_me + DH
            “that’s why they need to be taken out of “the game” altogether.”
            “give them one inch, and they’ll take a yard”
            Time for a sing-along. I think Bob expressed those two comments beautifully in the lyrics of the magnificent
            “Real Situation”;

  6. David Holden September 30, 2012 at 11:43 am #

    btw what is the status of Vanunu’s emigration application?

    the thought recently occurred to me that the world is entitled to a series of televised debates between Vanunu and Netanyahoo. truth vs lying bully. i think this unlikely to happen, but even the suggestion would, i’km guessing, rattle the bars of Bibi’s cage sufficiently to give him that final push over the brink of the abyss of florid psychosis, making him eligible for the mental health care he is so obviously in dire need of.

  7. Blake September 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm #


  8. fool me once... October 2, 2012 at 6:55 pm #

    Hi Eileen
    “but as Bob sang:
    Yes, n how many years can some people exist,
    Before they’re allowed to be free?”
    What point do you reckon Dylan was trying to make when he sang that lyric to the jews in Tel Aviv,Israel – 20.06.2011?
    If he were trying to reach out to make them think, I doubt his lack lustre performance would have penetrated even the flimsyist of kippah’s.
    Is this Dylan performing the “Hava Nagila” which apparently means;
    “The commonly used text was probably composed by Abraham Zevi (Zvi) Idelsohn[2][3] in 1918 to celebrate the British victory in Palestine during World War I as well as the Balfour Declaration.”
    What do you reckon Eileen?

    • Eileen Fleming October 7, 2012 at 10:15 pm #

      I reckon I will repeat “Bob Dylan PLAYED Tel Aviv and Sent a Message to Israel”

      • who_me October 8, 2012 at 12:36 am #


        back in the late 70’s dylan was having a hard time finding musicians to go on the road for his latest tour. the reason: he would only pay them $600 a month. when people’s actions don’t match their words, i write them off. dylan don’t care about the palestinians. he’s a zionist.