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September 11, 2001: Zionist shock therapy and the birth of the lie

Article reposted from September 2011.

New York City, New York. Shock is a curious thing. The human mind is at its most susceptible when the proverbial rug has been pulled from under its feet. When a momentous, shocking event occurs we are thrust into an uncomfortable, unfamiliar, frightening place. We look for explanations, try to make sense of chaos whilst we are at our most vulnerable. Our malleable minds accept and subconsciously cling to the first narrative our ‘protectors’ offer, whether real or imagined, whether plausible or nonsensical.

The events of 9/11 were not only faithful to this rule, but they represented a paradigmatic example of this concept in play. The ‘shock therapy’ that has been unleashed on nations by means of bombs, bullets, and economic warfare, equally applies to the human psyche. It is not only nations but also people, that can be remade. While a shell-shocked America reeled over the most shocking, heinous, and dramatic terrorist attack the United States has ever suffered, the very architects of this attack moved to cement their ‘new world order’ narrative – ushering in the ‘War on Terror’. Before the toxic dust had even settled on Manhattan, the afraid, angry masses would be given their enemy and they would be given their saviours, as an equally toxic cloud of delusion descended on the American consciousness.

Ehud Barak, the BBC, and the birth of a pre-packaged lie

As the largest broadcaster in the world with over 20,000 employees, the Zionist-controlled BBC was the chosen outlet for the birth of the myth that is the ‘War on Terror’. As the attacks were unfolding, the BBC already had its pre-prepared propaganda agenda in hand. Later in the day the BBC would unwittingly expose this fact most obviously when they reported, ticker and all, the fall of WTC-7 over 20 minutes before it even happened. Former Prime Minister of Israel and former commander of the elite IDF intelligence unit ‘Sayeret Matkal’, Ehud Barak, would narrate the macabre theatre.

It is important to remember at this point, this is precisely how such events work; ‘false flag’ terrorism is a form of psychological warfare. In order for the operation to be successful, the perpetrator must be able to establish the intended narrative at the very outset – as soon as the minds of the subjects have been traumatised, dazed, and ‘blank-slated’. This is the fertile ground needed for the lie to take root, and the lie must be planted as soon as possible.

Relinquishing his post as Israeli PM to genocidal war criminal Ariel Sharon in March 2001, Barak was to travel to the United States and spend the months preceding 9/11 consulting for Electronic Data Systems and SCP Partners, which is a Mossad-run company specialising in security-related work. Within SCP Partners’ business portfolio are a number of firms which specialise in the creation of advanced niche specialty metals and complex metals products for industries such as energy, aerospace, infrastructure, and specialty metals and chemical industries.

Of course on the morning of the 9/11 plot’s gruesome conclusion, he would be miraculously present at the offices of the largest broadcaster on the planet. Literally as American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 hurtled towards the twin towers, Ehud Barak (born Ehud Brog) was backstage at the BBC World offices in London, preparing to forge the War on Terror’s Zionist narrative in the vulnerable shell-shocked minds of his global audience.

“We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”

Within the BBC’s pre-prepared news report – immediately before Barak is given the stage – a peculiar thing happened. Yasser Arafat, proudly clad with his Keffiyeh – the ultimate symbol of resistance to oppression – is interviewed in what was on the face of it a bizarre display of the utmost irrelevance. What on god’s green earth did the Palestinians have to do with an ongoing terror attack halfway across the globe, the perpetrators of which were at the time a complete mystery? As the BBC report would indicate with increasing clarity, the purpose of this was very simple: the Zionist narrative of the ‘War on Terror’ was being pulled out of its box and the Cellophane removed. Palestine – the righteous resistance at the very epicentre of Israel’s expansionist, hegemonic, genocidal ambitions – was the threat. Israel, the ‘only democracy in the Middle East’ was the solution and here was its former Prime Minister with the answer.

As if presiding over a court case with a defendant and a plaintiff, the BBC reporter proceeds with his script, “That’s the view from the Palestinian side,” and Ehud Barak takes to the screen.

This is an attack on our whole civilisation“. Who did it? “I believe we will know in twelve hours“. But that’s not important. What we need is a “globally concerted effort, led by the United States, the UK, Europe, and Russia“. Notice that Israel is conspicuously absent from the list; Israel doesn’t get its hands dirty unless it needs to.

Bin Laden sits in Afghanistan“, the oracle tells us, but he’s not saying bin Laden did it. Yet. Ask him again in 11 hours, 59 minutes. “Within six or ten years“, Barak insists, Iran, Iraq, and Libya, the ‘rogue states’ must be taken down. Six or ten years on, and it’s two down, one to go.

Dehumanise the enemy: the ‘celebrating Palestinians’ propaganda

At four minutes and fifty-nine seconds through the video you see a Reuters feed flash up during the BBC’s live report. The despatch alludes to: “Palestian [sic] celebrations” in Jerusalem. The next act of the script is being played out as Palestinians, and by extension Muslims, are dehumanised and portrayed as heartless, bloodthirsty animals.

Scenes of ‘Palestinians celebrating’ in occupied al-Quds (Jerusalem), filmed by Reuters and AP, were later broadcast on TV on the BBC, Fox, CNN, and several other corporate-Zionist controlled media outlets:

Ten days after the event, in a piece titled Die Macht der TV-Bilder (‘The power of TV images’), well-respected German paper Der Spiegel utterly exposed this pernicious anti-Palestinian propaganda as being staged and manipulated.

It transpired that the lady who can be seen cheering and celebrating in front of the camera was told to do so, and offered cake in return. She later told German reporters of this, and was absolutely horrified to learn of the fraudulent context in which the footage was broadcast to an information-hungry world in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

Further to this, you can clearly see in the video that there is only a very small number of children and people celebrating. In the background, one can see several people standing around nonchalantly, or simply walking from one place to the next.

Also, notice that the footage consists of only close, narrow shots. Long, wide shots would have shown the entire scene on the street: small groups of children and a handful of people celebrating, who were being urged and provoked to do so by those filming.

This footage, consisting of no more than a few seconds and a few people, was repeatedly broadcast to global audiences, alongside the chilling footage of Flight 175 slamming into the South Tower. By the time the hoax was exposed (albeit only by a German-language paper), the damage had already been done.

The big lie: peppered with Israeli fingerprints from preparation to orchestration and narration

The ‘mainstream’ 9/11 truth movement exhibits an acute case of selective vision. Whether through fear of the dreaded ‘anti-Semite’ epithet, or through aversion to the ubiquitous (but not entirely unfounded) ‘Jewish power & conspiracy’ stereotypes, the obvious and central Israeli connections to 9/11 are ignored.

The 9/11 false flag, and the torrent of Israeli-prescribed propaganda that followed as the towers fell, was engineered to instigate the War on Terror. Without a doubt, the axis consisting of the military-industrial complex, Wall Street, and the myriad of ‘disaster capitalism’ multinationals, benefited greatly from and colluded to differing degrees in 9/11. However, attributing the central role of planning and orchestration of 9/11 to these actors is born of short-sightedness. The BBC’s evidently pre-planned Zionist propaganda set-piece provided a clue to this, but this was merely the tip of the iceberg.

Not only did Israel benefit economically, politically, and militarily from 9/11 more so than any other nation on the planet, but ardent Zionists with close links to Israel, US-Israeli dual nationals, and even Israelis, are found at every pivotal nook and cranny of the plot.

The clues are abundant, and lay at the very core of the 9/11 conspiracy (how absurd it now seems to use that long-abused word in its proper context).

From the unprecedented privatisation of the WTC six weeks prior to the events, to the sophisticated hardware used to fly the remotely-controlled jets; from the missing trillions at the Pentagon, to the Israeli spies caught with explosives and subsequently released in New York, to the man who let them go – the same man who co-authored the Patriot Act and headed up the Department of Homeland Security; from the advance warnings received by Israeli communications company Odigo and part Israeli state-owned company ZIM (which terminated its WTC tenure one week before the event incurring a $50,000 bill), to the Israeli company that ran security at the 9/11 airports. This company, ICTS International, even ran security for the ‘shoe bomber’ airport, the ‘underpants bomber’ airport, as well as the 7/7 London bus service that was bombed in 2005. Yet another Israeli company, Verint Systems, ran the camera system in the London Tube network when it told the world that its cameras ‘weren’t working’, in an attempt to explain why there was no footage of any of the alleged bombers entering their respective tube trains. But I digress. The blue and white six-pointed star can be uncovered in all of the most obvious central aspects of the 9/11 game plan.

Six weeks before 9/11 the WTC ownership was transferred into private hands for the first time in history. Ronald Lauder lobbied for this to happen. Lewis Eisenberg, head of the Port Authority, presided over the deal. It was awarded to Larry Silverstein and Frank Lowy. All of these men are staunch Zionists with close links to Israel; Silverstein – former IDF soldier – even speaks to Benjamin Netanyahu on a weekly basis. Billionaire Lauder is closely involved with several pro-Israel Jewish organisations including the JNF (which appropriates Palestinian land for the exclusive use of Jewish settlers). He even accompanied President Bush on his 2008 delegation to Israel, celebrating the 60th anniversary of the Nakba.

Lowy fought in the Nakba as a member of the Golani brigade and, like Silverstein, miraculously steered clear of the WTC on that fateful Tuesday morning. All four men are intimately involved in the abhorrent Anti-Defamation League.

On September 10, 2001, the very day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld announced $2.3 trillion in missing funds at the Pentagon. The Bush-appointed man responsible for the Pentagon’s finances at that time was staunch Zionist and Rabbi Dov Zakheim – a man who had been the Chief Executive of Systems Planning Corporation for the previous fourteen years – since 1987. SPC manufactures advanced aviation technology used for the remote piloting of large jet aircraft.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, residents of Bergen, New Jersey, saw five men stood atop a white van. These men had set up a camera to record the twin towers before the first plane had hit. Upon the impact of Flight 11 and the instantaneous, hellish death of hundreds of innocent people, these men celebrated and cheered together. The horrified residents reported the men, who were later apprehended by police. The Israeli men tested positive for explosives, but were not charged with anything and were later released.

A second van was found later that day in even more suspicious circumstances. By the George Washington bridge, which connects New York City to New Jersey, two Israeli men were caught driving the van containing a truckload of explosives. Dan Rather, news anchor for CBS, would report:

“Two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives were discovered around the George Washington Bridge. That bridge links New York to New Jersey over the Hudson River. Whether the discovery of those explosives had anything to do with other events today is unclear, but the FBI, has two suspects in hand, said the truckload of explosives, enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge.“

All of these Israelis were subsequently released ultimately by Michael Chertoff – ardent Zionist and son of a Talmudic Rabbi and the first hostess for El Al Airlines, a suspected Mossad front. Chertoff also co-authored the Patriot Act – legislation used to spy on Americans and stifle dissent in the name of ‘national security’.

It cannot be denied that politically and militarily, Israel benefited from 9/11 more than any other nation on the face of the earth. The false flag terror attacks afforded the Zionist entity endless political capital to pursue and accelerate its genocidal ambitions against Muslims in Palestine, and its goals of regional hegemony in coaxing the U.S. to invade Iraq.

In addition to this there is the important element of economic benefits; even the Israeli government admits that its economy is centred around the homeland security and weapons industry.

As a direct result of 9/11, the homeland security industry has boomed to astronomical proportions, eclipsing Hollywood and the music industry. Unprecedented security paranoia, war, and conflict are racking the planet. An ever-growing number of U.S. and Israeli-made drones (and Israel is considered the leading player whilst five NATO countries are using Israeli drones in Afghanistan) are patrolling the skies of the Middle East and Central Asia. Is it any wonder that Israel is one of the few nations on the planet that has largely avoided the post-9/11 economic slump?

The Zionist-controlled BBC’s pre-prepared ‘kick-off’ propaganda set-piece ‘hosted’ by Israeli Zionist heavyweight Ehud Barak, erected the ‘War on Terror’ before the events of 9/11 had even come to pass. The former Israeli Prime Minister’s appearance in what was a uniquely Zionist and anti-Palestinian news report as Manhattan burned provided a telling clue as to the perpetrators of the 9/11 psychological warfare operation. While real Israelis cheered in Manhattan, the world’s TV screens showed manipulated footage of Palestinians ‘celebrating’ 9/11.

Not only are Israel’s fingerprints all over 9/11 (something which is apparent even from the incomplete break-down above), but the new global paradigm that was forged on that day, empowered and benefited Israel in every conceivable way.

Your cause may be the Palestinian struggle, waged in the occupied holy lands of the Middle East. Your cause may be the fight against the unstoppable, destructive free-market neoliberal economic doctrine. Your cause may be the battle against fear, struck into our hearts by the ‘al Qaeda’ ghost – kept alive by psychological warfare outfits such as the Zionist-run SITE group. Your struggle may be against the decade of wars now expanding into Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. Perhaps your cause is all of the above. In any case, what cannot be denied is that 9/11 is the seminal event, inextricably and intimately linked to almost every major problem the world faces today. Only through establishing the whole truth about this Zionist deception can we even begin to glimpse peace.

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131 Responses to September 11, 2001: Zionist shock therapy and the birth of the lie

  1. Jonathon Blakeley July 4, 2012 at 6:34 pm #

    Only when the truth comes out about 9/11 will we start to see a return of Justice and rule of Law. Great article Martin.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 4, 2012 at 10:44 pm #

      It is very good article indeed.
      There is NO greater threat to those in power than a general rejection of the official (“boxcutters’) conspiracy theory. None more explosive. None more capable of upsetting the apple cart.
      They realize that it is the only change in the perception of the masses that would be sufficient to completely unmask the criminality and ruthlessness directly responsible for
      — the death of 7,000 Americans (9/11 plus soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq), even if they don’t care about the more than 1 million Iraqis
      — the cover up of the disappearance of several billion dollars announced as unaccounted for by Rumsfeld on 9/10 and whose investigation had been relegated to a section ‘under renovation in the Pentagon where not other offices were and which coincidentally was hit, destroying all diucmentaion
      — the Patriot Act
      — the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security
      — wars and more wars to “fight them there so we dont have to fight them here)
      The most ardent supporters of the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy Theory react most vehemently to suggestions that Israel was involved. Does it mean they are conscious supporters of zionism? I don’t know. There is insufficient proof.
      trying to falsify this hypotheses I come up with other plausible ones, such as cognitive dissonance or a certain level of obtuseness.

  2. Jay Knott July 4, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    This article is a particularly clear example of the wishful thinking, evidence-selecting, and outright invention characteristic of the cult which modestly describes itself as ‘the 9/11 truth movement’.

    Yes, Israelis invented Palestinians cheering the 9/11 attacks. This does not mean Israel was involved! I’ve seen Muslims REALLY celebrating the attacks.

    “What on god’s green earth did the Palestinians have to do with an ongoing terror attack halfway across the globe, the perpetrators of which were at the time a complete mystery?”

    Nothing. But 2001 saw an increase in Palestinian suicide bombings. That is what Israel responded to. It didn’t need an attack by al-Qaeda – a group whose main concern is NOT Palestine – to build the apartheid wall, etc.. Israel already had unconditional Western support. It didn’t need to attack America, and blame it on an Islamic group unrelated to Palestinians, and unrelated to Iraq, to get what it wanted.

    “Not only are Israel’s fingerprints all over 9/11…”

    People who believe this don’t know the meaning of words like ‘evidence’, ‘circular’, and ‘falsification’. The ‘9/11 truth’ delusion is an obstacle to building a movement to turn the Western world away from its irrational support for Israel.

    • Jonathon Blakeley July 4, 2012 at 11:47 pm #

      I think you perhaps enjoy being contrary. sometimes it is good it flush out flaky ideas and pseudo science, bull shit and woolly thinking generally. Other times it can be bit monty python.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 5, 2012 at 12:10 am #

        Exceptional! There will never be anyone like MP ever again! (Don’t say “yes, there will”)
        BTW, I think Jay is moving his office from Argument to Abuse…
        You, Jon, should be the Inspector fining us for “getting out of a sketch without a proper punch line”

    • Blanche July 8, 2012 at 8:09 am #

      Wow, you saw REAL Muslims REALLY celebrating the attacks? You must have been really fortunate to somehow find yourself in the presence of celebrating Muslims while NY burnt in flames. What, did the brown people at your local Starbucks drop their lattes and start breakdancing while holding signs that said “Hey, I’m a Muslim!” when the horrid images came on the TV screen?

      And funny you brought up that the peak of the Second Intifada coincided with 9/11. Key word here is “coincided.”

  3. who_me July 4, 2012 at 9:04 pm #

    “Article reposted from September 2011.”

    first time i’ve seen this article. glad you guys reposted it. iqbal did a good job on this tying the info together. when one sees these israeli/jewish connections juxposed together, like in this piece, it’s pretty obvoius israel was behind the attacks. even more obvious when other israeli connections are also considered.

  4. Malik July 5, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    Glad i read this again
    Br.Martin you Nail the 9/11 myth !!
    spot on !!!
    keep up the good work, “ESB” is a good site for the TRUTH and it always offers the reader a HUGE insight into world events which we were just plain ignorant towards or just believed everything our favorite news reader spat out cause it was easy for us to do.

    @ Jay : you start by saying : “This article is a particularly clear example of the wishful thinking, evidence-selecting, and outright invention characteristic of the cult which modestly describes itself as ‘the 9/11 truth movement”.

    you just cant ignore the evidence, reading various articles not just about 9/11, kinda made me realize certain needs for cover ups and false flag op’s.
    its serious stuff Jay,

  5. Ariadna Theokopoulos July 5, 2012 at 3:03 am #

    Re-reading this:

    “Later in the day the BBC would unwittingly expose this fact most obviously when they reported, ticker and all, the fall of WTC-7 over 20 minutes before it even happened.”

    and watching the video it links to on globalresearch, I am not so sure anymore it was , as some say, anything pre-arranged.
    The reporter may well have experienced one of those rare moments of “aura” in which her deeper consciousness and her intuition aligned themselves, like iron fillings around a magnet, with the inexorable necessity of events and she SAW. Her case is in fact trifling: she only intuited what was going to happen in the next 20 minutes. Big deal. When Julius Caesar had his auras (during epileptic seizures) he could see the results of future battles. It is unfortunate that he had no seizures before the Ides of march but the Parces had already sealed his fate. Carl Jung had a dream about the globe being in flames and promptly 2 years later WWI broke out. Yes, it is perfectly possible. I’ve just “falsified” it and it works.

  6. who_me July 5, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    disaster narrowly averted by the quick action of an alert passenger, a bus driver and the police bomb squad who selflessly and bravely defused the electronic ciggy before it could wreck terrorist havoc.

    http://www.wlfi.com/dpps/news/strange/false-alarm-smokers-aid-behind-uk-bus-incident-ob12-jgr_4229555

  7. who_me July 6, 2012 at 2:16 am #

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31748

    Was there Advanced Knowledge of the 7/7 London Bomb Attacks?
    7 Years Ago, 7/7 2005

    • fool me once... July 18, 2012 at 2:17 am #

      Something I noticed regarding the recent UK/London riots were the parallels with the accounts of the catalysts and the government response to the riots in the USA and UK.
      The trigger involving the treatment of a black man after being stopped in a car by the police, the family and friends going to the police station for answers, the 16,000 police/national guard drafted in etc etc.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAYJxBhg6kM (20.39mins)
      http://www.riotslondon.com/several-thousand-policemen-patrol-streets/
      A name that pops up on the 7/7 and London riots is the Peter Power mentioned in your GR link;
      I haven’t been able to locate it, but there’s a very telling piece of footage from newsnight of a discussion between Cindy Butts and Peter Power on newsnight August 9th 2011, if anyone can find it.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29tzNXKUL-Q&feature=related
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Vaz323qCCF8

      • who_me July 18, 2012 at 2:46 am #

        power gets a lot of free advertisement. a relative of somebody involved who got tossed a biscuit?

        • fool me once... July 18, 2012 at 3:05 am #

          Did you see the Butts and Power’s icy, racist discussion on newsnight. The look on Butts face said it all, utter contempt and disbelief when Power said the police had held back for fear of being accused of racism.
          “…got tossed a biscuit?”
          Do you mean like a kipferl or matzos biscuit?

          • who_me July 18, 2012 at 3:25 am #

            “Did you see the Butts and Power’s icy, racist discussion on newsnight.”

            no, i didn’t see it.

            “Do you mean like a kipferl or matzos biscuit?”

            could be, but i was thinking of “family networking”. corrupt spin-offs. that’s usually how it works. somebody is part of a scam, they pass useful info and “opportunities” on over to the family and “select” friends.

            who is powers related to? who are his past associations?

          • fool me once... July 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

            Brixton Riots-The policeman’s story(bbc news)
            .
            “The events of 1981 are credited with changing the face of British policing. After disturbances in Liverpool, Birmingham and Bristol that year, a new style of community policing became the norm. But what was it like for ordinary coppers caught up in the riots?
            Peter Power was a Sergeant with the Special Patrol Group, which became a focus for complaints about police tactics.
            Now a civilian crisis management consultant, we sent him back to Brixton, to reflect on what went wrong in the relationship between the police and the black community in South East London.
            And, we discussed how policing has changed, with retired policeman Peter Bleksley and Alex Wheatle, who made yesterday’s film.
            “The police and the Afro-Caribbean community were largely at war with one another, ” said Peter, who was a serving police officer in South East London at the time.
            “There was no understand of each other’s culture. The police were largely white and lower middle class and saw themselves as the guardians of law and order.
            “There was a phrase at the time, black and white? Stop on sight” “

          • fool me once... July 18, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

            @who_me
            “could be, but i was thinking of “family networking”.”
            It wouldn’t be a too bigger stretch of the imagination for that “family” to be the masonic brotherhood?
            “His service in that force included the Special Patrol Group and attachments to the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch and other front line units. In 1990 he transferred on promotion to Dorset. He retired from Dorset in 1993. In 1995 Power set up his own company in central London, Visor Consultants.” PP wiki
            He may well have been in this lovely group of chums over in Dorset.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHBf9Ik0stQ&feature=relmfu

          • fool me once... July 18, 2012 at 12:37 pm #

            Last peter power link, honest ;) . Fills some of the gaps.
            http://factsnotfairies.blogspot.co.uk/2008/03/peter-power-and-london-bombings.html

          • Jonathon Blakeley July 18, 2012 at 12:53 pm #

            Looks fascinating 9//11 is stacked with coincidences.

          • who_me July 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

            the freemasons hiding their faces reminds me of old photos of the insides of speakeasies during american prohibition times. :)

            sounds like peter power has some pretty good connections, then. a “favoured son”.

  8. etominusipi July 6, 2012 at 3:14 am #

    excellent short essay Martin, summarising ‘what everyone now knows about 9/11′. of course not everyone can yet admit to themselves that they know it.

    Jay’s piece on 9/11, as i pointed out, was a standard hasbara troll exercise. here he is again, popping out of the woodwork with well-worn, though wonderfully crafted, phrases like:

    the cult which modestly describes itself as ‘the 9/11 truth movement’ – Jay Knott

    what an argument, Jay. you should be a sociology professor.

    well, don’t think your agenda here is anything other than transparent to this investigator, ‘Mr Knott’. i didn’t even need to take my X-ray specs out of the box to see right through you, however you may have wheedled your way into the affections of others.

    building a movement to turn the Western world away from its irrational support for Israel .

    turn the western world ???????
    do i need to explain the physics of axial rotation, and how it relates to the relative concepts of east and west? shall we get a long pole and all heave on it? with a long enough lever ( pace Archimedes) Mr Knott could do this turning by himself. no need for any help from others.

    and together with your long lever, Mr Knott, whilst you are in IKEA, i suggest you also buy a long spoon, since you are so hell-bent on supping with the devil (Mr Silverstein).

    this is AZZ in action. trotskyite /rhetoric, building movements, trying to close down debates through ridicule. the only building you should be concerned with is called building 7 . the only movement you should consider is moving systems .

    if i weren’t such a nice, loving person, i should have some rather severe things to say to you, Mr Sayan, but i pity all who use their God-given intellect in the service of lying, greedy, cruel, pityless, spiritually ugly, vain, materialistic megalomaniacs in return for ….? whatever you get in return i hope it will comfort you on the Day Of Judgement.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 6, 2012 at 6:35 am #

      this is for the archive

    • Jonathon Blakeley July 7, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

      Hysterical, and Jay has not wheedled his way into my affections lets be clear, more like wheeled his way onto my drive with his cycle. I am just a deLiberation editor and try to be fair and balanced to all even when I don’t agree with them.

      Great comment Etominusipi.

  9. Ariadna Theokopoulos July 6, 2012 at 5:28 am #

    It wasn’t etominusipi, Jay, it was you.
    Remember how many times in softer or stronger terms I tried to say to you “Kid, this ain’t your night.” Remember when Jonatahon put the retainer in your mouth and bandaged your hands and said “Don’t be contrary. This ain’t your night”!
    So what happens? etominusipi gets the title and what do you get? A one-way ticket to Palooka-ville! You was aema’s brother, Jay, you tried to look out for him but there aint no one to look out for you.
    You coulda had class. You were funny. You coulda been a contender. You coulda been somebody, instead of a hasbara heckler, which is what you are, let’s face it. It was you, Jay.

    (With apologies to Marlon Brando’s memory)

  10. Jay Knott July 6, 2012 at 9:54 am #

    As I predicted, scepticism about the widespread idea that 9/11 was an inside job, or even an Israeli job, leads to the view that the sceptic must be working for the bad guys, regardless of anything else he might have done.

    Like Stalinism, 9/11 truth it corrupts movements infected by it, as JoAnn Wypijewski explained on Counterpunch. Of course, that means she is a hasbara troll too. And Alexander Cockburn, George Monbiot and the editors of Mondoweiss and the Nation. At least I’m not alone. I have some reasonably smart people for company in Hasbara HQ.

    If I were prone to irrational conspiratorial reasoning, like some of the people who comment on this site, I’d say 9/11 truth was being put about deliberately to undermine Palestine solidarity. Fortunately, I’m not.

    It’s impossible to get out of, because it contains an explanation of any possible contradiction. In the Soviet Union, attempts to refute the party line (Lysenko’s biology, the superiority of a state-run economy…) could not survive, because contradiction was explained away as enemy propaganda.

    But for the believers, the above is ALSO a hasbara argument. That’s what circular reasoning does to you. It turns you into a useless idiot.

    • who_me July 6, 2012 at 10:25 am #

      Jay Knott

      it’s not what you believe about these things, it’s the insulting way you disparage others who think different and then troll them, and the site, throwing further insults. you don’t even make a slight attempt to refute others’ arguments in an adult manner when it comes 9/11 and several other subjects.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 6, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

      “As I predicted, scepticism about the widespread idea that 9/11 was an inside job, or even an Israeli job, leads to the view that the sceptic must be working for the bad guys, regardless of anything else he might have done.”

      What “skepticism”? You abuse the word. You are not a skeptic, you are a propagandizer.
      1. Your skepticism about what I will call (because I like the resulting acronym) the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy Con is ZERO.
      There is nothing in it that arouses even an iota of skepticism in you. On the contrary, you described it as being the most economical explanation.
      2. Your skepticism about the myriad of objections those who demand a real investigation of 9/11 is also ZERO.
      Your reactions instead are fury, insults and an attitude of intellectual superiority that keeps falling flat on its face. You sensed this so now you are adding references: “ask the Nation,” “ask Mondoweiss, there are really, really smart people out there who think like me so I must be right.”

      You “predicted” you would be taken for a propagandizer and since your prediction turned out to be true, you, for whom intellectual superiority is so important, must now thank us.
      The alternative explanation, that you are too obtundated to realize what you are saying would have been more hurtful to you, or am I wrong?

      • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

        Adriana claims my “skepticism about… the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy Con is ZERO”. No it’s not – I think there is a chance that the official story is false. That’s why I merely say it’s the most economical theory. I don’t call my ideas ‘truth’, like religious people do.

        I agree with holding an investigation into 9/11. It would be like the UK enquiry into the the daft theory about Princess Diana’s death, which ended up concluding that the theory needed more and more complex sub-theories to prop it up.

        • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

          I think you forgot to tuck your shirt in your pants, Jay. The tails are hanging out. It’s a good idea before pushing “Post” to check one more time to make sure that your statements do not collide and crash into each other:
          1.” I think there is a chance that the official story is false. …
          I agree with holding an investigation into 9/11. ”
          and
          2. “an investigation into 9/11.. would be like the UK enquiry into the the daft theory about Princess Diana’s death, which ended up concluding that the theory needed more and more complex sub-theories to prop it up”

          If the disbelief in the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy Theory is just as “daft” as the other, why do you claim you support holding an investigation into it?
          Are you implying–as it seems, that the only reason to hold it is to disprove suspicions?
          Why, then, we need the same Commission to do it all over again.

          • who_me July 7, 2012 at 10:36 pm #

            “If the disbelief in the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy Theory is just as “daft” as the other, why do you claim you support holding an investigation into it?
            Are you implying–as it seems, that the only reason to hold it is to disprove suspicions?
            Why, then, we need the same Commission to do it all over again.”

            a 2nd cover up will help silence the unbelievers and give the believers much needed ammunition to bolster their faith.

          • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 10:46 pm #

            `If the disbelief in the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy Theory is just as “daft” as the other, why do you claim you support holding an investigation into it?`

            Because I do.

          • Jay Knott July 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

            Correction. Alexander Cockburn, champion of the powerless, scourge of the powerful and of dumb conspiracy theorists, is dead:
            http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/23/remembering-alexander-cockburn/

          • who_me July 24, 2012 at 12:56 pm #

            Jay Knott

            “Correction. Alexander Cockburn, champion of the powerless, scourge of the powerful and of dumb conspiracy theorists, is dead”

            you use the death of the man as an occasion to childishly put down those who disagreed with your views here. that is sad.

    • Jay Knott July 26, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

      As well as ‘9/11 truth’, Cockburn was sceptical about global warming, the satanic child-abuse scandal of the eighties, and more recent, similar hysteria about Catholic priests. He was a leftist who did not toe any party line – he rejected the superstitions of the left, warm-fuzzy-feeling groupthink. He was the George Orwell of our times. He will be sorely missed.

      • who_me July 26, 2012 at 5:42 pm #

        do you miss your priest, jay?

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 28, 2012 at 6:17 am #

        “He was the George Orwell of our times. ”

        Cockburn? Whoa! Don’t say! You don’t have much time for reading,do you, Jay,?
        Because he gulped down the Boxcutter Boys’ Conspiracy theory without blinking, or pretended to? You reward him for it much too generously.

        • who_me July 28, 2012 at 6:42 am #

          cockburn was one of the few people i’ve met who get talked about here (very briefly). he seemed like a decent guy, but he was a journalist, rather than a “thinker”. he had a foot in both camps.

  11. who_me July 6, 2012 at 11:42 pm #

    http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/07/london-77-key-evidence

    London 7/7: The Key Evidence

    more of dem eeval stalinists. ;)

    • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm #

      Today is the 7th anniversary of 7/7. One of the problems with ‘9/11 truth’ is – what about all the other terrorist incidents? Are they all fake too? The London Underground bombings, the shoe bomber, the underpants bomber, the Madrid bombings, the bombings of Shi’ites in Iraq allegedly claimed by al-Qaeda… do Mossad or the CIA do all of them? If al-Qaeda does some of them, why do the authorities do any of them?

      A theory which needs more complex theories to back it up isn’t much of a theory.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 24, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

        “A theory which needs more complex theories to back it up isn’t much of a theory.”

        Worthy of Rochefoucald.
        He also said: Conceit produces more conversation than wit.

        • etominusipi July 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

          an exceptionally fine aphorist, François VI, Duc de La Rochefoucauld, Prince de Marcillac – it is good that you honour him thus, Ariadna. suffocating in a world permeated by lies, the truthful heart gains valuable sustenance from such distilled wisdom as has been handed down through the ages, escaping the censor’s net.

      • who_me July 24, 2012 at 1:13 pm #

        Jay Knott

        “A theory which needs more complex theories to back it up isn’t much of a theory.”

        yeah, like with that there evolutionary theory. it needed all kinda of other complex theories to work. don’t they teach you science in that there high class english all boy public school you went to, jay?

  12. who_me July 7, 2012 at 4:53 pm #

    http://www.investigatingtheterror.com/articles/7_7_Conspiracy_Theories_and_Connecting_the_Dots.htm

    7/7 Conspiracy Theories and Connecting the Dots

    some info on the spooks directing it.

    • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/19/diana.monarchy

      “MI5, MI6, the CIA, the DGSE – the French intelligence service – Judge Stephan … the French ambulance service … Lord Condon, Lord Stevens; the Surrey coroner; Lady Sarah McCorquodale, two bodyguards; the French pathologists; a photographer; the chauffeur; a reception clerk at the Ritz hotel; the British ambassador; the Queen’s private secretary; her solicitor; and of course Prince Philip and Prince Charles”.

      The 9/11 Truth Movement has nothing on Mohamed Fayed!

      • who_me July 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/19/diana.monarchy

        “MI5, MI6, the CIA, the DGSE – the French intelligence service – Judge Stephan … the French ambulance service … Lord Condon, Lord Stevens; the Surrey coroner; Lady Sarah McCorquodale, two bodyguards; the French pathologists; a photographer; the chauffeur; a reception clerk at the Ritz hotel; the British ambassador; the Queen’s private secretary; her solicitor; and of course Prince Philip and Prince Charles”.

        The 9/11 Truth Movement has nothing on Mohamed Fayed!”

        typical twice blessed deflection attempt. how’s your friend andrew mathis doing? btw, don’t your sort think of diana as your “queen”?

        • who_me July 7, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

          forgot something:

          ;) :D

        • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 9:14 pm #

          ‘Don’t your sort think of diana as your “queen”?’

          No, I don’t. I think she was a dumb cow who got killed by a drunken driver.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

        “what about all the other terrorist incidents? Are they all fake too?
        “The 9/11 Truth Movement has nothing on Mohamed Fayed!”
        ______________
        Scraping the bottom, desperately searching for diversionary tactics now that you have really messed up your previously plausible stance.
        My “scientific training” describes you as
        “… a pair of ragged claws
        Scuttling across the floors of silent seas”

      • etominusipi July 24, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

        i am not sure what the schoolmen called the fallacy you are falling victim to here (or attempting to propagate).

        in Nazi Germany, for example, you could have produced a lovely list of the great and good to demonstrate that those foolish conspiracy theorist who say bad things about Adolph Hitler’s political goals…well! just imagine, the Minister of Culture and his two exceptionally beautiful daughters, the entire board of such a stately flagship company as I.G.Farben, … (blah, blah)

        normally i have to charge students for logic classes (it’s just an eating/drinking/smoking thing).

        this is free. it is my contribution to hasbara.

        ‘a zionist is someone devoid of the capacity to experience intellectual shame’ – Bartin Muber

  13. Scott Free July 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm #

    It does appear that Jay Knott may be hasbara. Ironically the 9/11 truth group in Portland was about the only group that responded to Jay’s well written “The Mass Psychology of Anti-Fascism” But even then, Jay exhibited disdain for those who doubted the box cutter conspiracy theory. This contradiction is so cognitively large as to call into doubt his motivations. Why create these divisions between Palestinian Solidarity and those who are suspicious of the box cutter conspiracy? When one realizes that 9/11 was a crime committed by the same people who are criminally attacking the Palestinians, the link becomes explicit- We Are All Palestinians Now -

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

      This is one of the most eye-popping statements he made, not just reason- but sanity-defying:

      “The ’9/11 truth’ delusion is an obstacle to building a movement to turn the Western world away from its irrational support for Israel.”

      Anyone who can claim that demanding an investigation into 9/11 and whoever its real perpetrators are would prevent efforts to stop our governments’ “irrational support for Israel” can only be an idiot or a hasbarist.
      I do not believe he is an idiot.

      • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

        Where have I ever said I oppose demanding an investigation into 9/11? I think it would be a good idea.

        • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 9:42 pm #

          How can it be “a good idea” if all the reasons for doing it are just absurd “circular” and possibly “stalinist” hypotheses?
          To say nothing of the fact that investigating all the Israeli connections to it would–“g-d” forbid! –“turn the Western world away from its irrational support for Israel”!

          • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 9:54 pm #

            ‘How can it be “a good idea” if all the reasons for doing it are just absurd “circular” and possibly “stalinist” hypotheses?’

            The reasons for having an enquiry are not circular nor Stalinist. The arguments that Mossad was involved in September 11th. are circular, and many of the attempts to defend that view are Stalinist. The reasons for having an enquiry are the same as the reasons for having an enquiry into the death of princess Diana.

    • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm #

      It is true that the Portland 9/11 Truth Group responded well to my ‘The Mass Psychology of Anti-Fascism’. They did not respond so well to my doubting of the party line on 9/11.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 9:43 pm #

        You should arrange to publish your “anti-fascism” oeuvre in Heller’s newsletter–they’re big on anti-fascism.

        • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 9:57 pm #

          My oevre is a critique of anti-fascism and Zionism.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 10:22 pm #

        “my doubting of the party line on 9/11″

        What “party”?!? You seem completely unaware of how ridiculous you sound with statements like this, as if the poor, honest boys of the 9/11 Commission Report struggle hard to uncover the truth, published their report in samizdat, but the oppressive “party” of the naysayers, who have their “line” try to gag them.
        What “party line” are you nattering about?

        • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

          Ariadna: ‘What “party line” are you nattering about?’

          ‘…can only be an idiot or a hasbarist. I do not believe he is an idiot.’

          ‘You are not a skeptic, you are a propagandizer.’

          “It does appear that Jay Knott may be hasbara”.

          etc. etc. et f**king cetera. It’s Stalinism on crack.

          • who_me July 7, 2012 at 10:54 pm #

            “It’s Stalinism on crack.”

            everything is stalinism. that’s the jay-off euphamistic term for antisemite. :D

          • etominusipi July 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

            everything is stalinism. that’s the jay-off euphemistic term for antisemite. :D

            nice observation who_me. that would have got under my radar.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

            Where does stalinism come in? You are overdosing on your last find in meaningless insults.
            I have shown you why I believe you are a hasbarist. You have not been able to refute it but only cackled “Dolores Ibárruri” and “stalinims.”
            Explain why calling you a hasbarist, based on your post, has anything to do with Stalin.

          • Jay Knott July 7, 2012 at 11:18 pm #

            “Explain why calling you a hasbarist, based on your post, has anything to do with Stalin.”

            Calling me a ‘hasbarist’ (a pro-Israeli propagandist) is ludicrously false. I oppose Jewish supremacy. My disagreement with many of the contributors to deliberation.info is that I’m not convinced it has anything to do with 9/11. Many of those who believe it has, are stuck in a similar trap to Marxists in the thirties, who not only believed the Soviet party line, but believed that anyone who doubted it must be an agent of imperialism, fascism, etc..

            Discussions on this site have proven my point. For believers, it doesn’t matter what else you’ve done – if you don’t believe in 9/11 truth, you are suspect. It’s like what happened to the communist movement. That’s what it has to do with Stalin.

          • Jonathon Blakeley July 7, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

            lol. Its just that you are in a minority of one. Your 9/11 paper was “not well received” not because we are all following some deliberation party line, but because you argument was not very persuasive. Martins’ article on the other hand has had much support and was more persuasive.

            if you don’t believe in 9/11 truth, you are suspect.

            I am not that paranoid I have a good friend who doesn’t buy the 9/11 truth movement. He believes much like you that is as we have been told. That is his right.

            The smears against you have been at time over the top and are ludicrous, although your contrariness and dry sarcasm don’t come across well, keep working on that. ;-)

          • Jay Knott July 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm #

            “My argument was not very persuasive”. I argued that the following argument, from a truther article, on this site, is circular: “the only individuals arrested on 9/11 were Israeli Mossad agents that just so happened to specialize in explosives and electronic intercepts”.

            If my argument is ‘not very persuasive’, can you explain which of the following is true:
            1. The truther argument I cite is not circular
            2. It doesn’t matter if it is ?

            “The smears against you have been at time over the top and are ludicrous”. ‘At times’??! Look around your site – attacking the messenger is fundamental to the 9/11 truth hypothesis.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 7, 2012 at 11:35 pm #

            “Calling me a ‘hasbarist’ (a pro-Israeli propagandist) is ludicrously false.”

            1. False has nothing to do with ‘stalinism’.
            2. Perhaps it seems so to you because you think it can be “falsified” by your other writings in which you, as you put it, “oppose Jewish supremacy.”
            But without reading the entire bibliography you offer from time to time, just from your posts here, that is also spotty.
            For instance, a great part of the discussion of Jewish supremacy on deLib has been about the Jewish control of international banking.
            You have countered that several times saying it cannot be proved. You said that perhaps jews are simply better and smarter at it, and you need proof that whatever they did/do is any different than what Goy bankers would have done (presumably if against the sacred laws of evolution they might have come ahead).
            Even their overrepresentation is a difficult topic since you don’t believe in numerical proof although you–always neutral and fair–have granted it in the entertainment industry.

            “if you don’t believe in 9/11 truth, you are suspect.”
            You are ALWAYS intentionally transmogrifying this. We are always talking, not about 9/11 “truth” but about the BIG 9/11 LIE.
            Yes, if you believe that lie and you are not medically diagnosed to be in a state of obtundation, you are a suspect.
            Nothing to do with stalinism.
            Calling you an Israeli propagandist is perhaps as inaccurate as calling a forward center player the goal keeper–you are the goal keeper.

          • who_me July 7, 2012 at 11:39 pm #

            it’s not what you disagree with, jay-off, that draws the ire of most people here, it’s your jewish hasbara way of flinging insults at those you disagree with, and categorising people with dishonest labels designed to inhibit any real debate and turn the discussion into a pointless insult fest. rather than debate, you deficate.

          • etominusipi July 24, 2012 at 11:37 pm #

            J wrote ludicrously false

            does the ludicrous here strengthen the false?

            as a retired professor of rhetoric* i must timidly express a doubt.

            *i am afraid i have currently no time available for private students in this discipline.

        • Jay Knott July 9, 2012 at 7:55 pm #

          Ariadna – your reference to the official report confuses ‘party line’ with ‘official narrative’. In the thirties, for example, the Western media said the Moscow Trials were show trials, and the defendants were innocent. The communist ‘party line’ was that they were guilty. On this occasion, the official narrative happened to be true, but the communist parties were able to convince people by describing the official view as ‘capitalist propaganda’ – which indeed it was. But it was true. They communist parties had an explanation for why people didn’t believe them. Then, it was ‘false consciousness’, or ‘imperialist dupe. Today, it’s ‘hasbara troll’.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 9, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

            But that has nothing to do with the fact that you just happen to keep pushing the hasbara line, does it?

          • Jay Knott July 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm #

            George Orwell just happened to push the imperialist line about the Moscow Trials. But it just happened that he was telling the truth.

          • who_me July 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

            jay waits till ariadna goes on vacation, then pops his head back. what a brave boi. afraid of a girl. :D

  14. Jonathon Blakeley July 7, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

    Stalinism a rigid form of communism? I don’t see it at all. We don’t have enough agreement to be rigid about anything. We don’t just disagree with you Jay, there are plenty of others that contribute to deLiberation who are subject to trial by comment. Some survive others do not, Don’t take it personally, its all part of the process. Perhaps it is you who have the closed mind and need to open it to other ideas.

    • Jay Knott July 9, 2012 at 7:56 pm #

      “Don’t take it personally”. I don’t. It’s others who divert the debate from the argument to the person, like a bunch of little girls.

      • Roy Bard July 9, 2012 at 8:10 pm #

        like a bunch of little girls

        Is that you not diverting from the debate to the person?

        • Jay Knott July 9, 2012 at 8:18 pm #

          Point taken. You should comment more often.

  15. fool me once... July 8, 2012 at 1:11 am #

    Jay, it was a bit weird that you introduced Mathis though;
    March 5, 2012 at 12:01 am
    “There’s a discussion between me and a guy called Mathis at http://pacificaforum.org/continued-from-walt-forum
    He claims to be an expert on the big H, and defends the orthodox view. I don’t really know enough to argue with him, and I’m thinking of pointing him here. Could he be invited to present the orthodox view in a short piece for the site, I wonder?”
    and before the curtains were even pulled back out pops…
    aemathisphd
    March 5, 2012 at 4:14 am
    “I have arrived.
    Mr. Eisen, on your three points: etc etc”
    You’ve got to admit, him and his mates were heavy on the ziolove, slagging off and name calling.

    • who_me July 8, 2012 at 1:29 am #

      “aemathisphd
      March 5, 2012 at 4:14 am
      “I have arrived.”

      sounds like elton john coming on stage at an israeli concert. what a pathetic fruit. :D

      i didn’t know jay-off brought enema to the site, but i thought it ludicrous when he claimed enema wasn’t a zionist. i pegged enema as a hasbarat after reading a couple of posts, i’m sure everybody else did also. how could one not pick it up?

      • fool me once... July 8, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

        “sounds like elton john coming on stage at an israeli concert. what a pathetic fruit. :D
        hmmm, if Mathis were a fruit, what fruit would he be… a Ziziphus zizyphus maybe?
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujube
        btw. He made his deLib debut on Paul’s stage –
        Happy Valentine’s Day from the city of Dresden.

        • who_me July 10, 2012 at 5:47 am #

          “hmmm, if Mathis were a fruit, what fruit would he be… a Ziziphus zizyphus maybe?”

          are they bitter? :)

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 8, 2012 at 1:37 am #

      “He claims to be an expert on the big H, and defends the orthodox view. I don’t really know enough to argue with him, and I’m thinking of pointing him here. ”

      I like it….
      1. It establishes that he, jay, has different view, not the “orthodox” one aema holds.
      2. The “I’m thinking of pointing him here” establishes the spontaneity of jay’s idea, of which he was to inform aema later.
      Alas, the incredible modesty of ” I don’t really know enough to argue with him” was never to be manifested by jay later.
      Good archival work, fool me.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 8, 2012 at 1:44 am #

        From the link provided by fool me, here’s a comment by jay:

        “I know people who have serious doubts about the Holocaust for exactly the same reason they have doubts about the official story of September 11th, 2001. In my humble opinion, it’s because they lack a solid grasp of logic, evidence and the scientific method. That’s how I approach both questions. I think I’m right, and I patiently try to explain why. I don’t psychoanalyze people who disagree. I don’t call them haters or idiots.”

        So his view is not different, only the strategy of the dialog which he patiently tried to teach aema.
        As for not calling people “idiots”–he relented a bit on that….

        • Jay Knott July 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

          “His view is not different, only the strategy of the dialog which he patiently tried to teach (Mathis)”. Mathis thinks that the main reason for Zionism is Nazi crimes against Jews, and that it’s important to go on about it. I think it’s crucial NOT to. I don’t deny the Nazi crimes.

          “As for not calling people “idiots” – he (Jay) relented a bit on that….”

          That’s true. But I don’t call everyone an idiot. I don’t call Andrew Mathis an idiot, for example.

    • Blanche July 8, 2012 at 7:01 am #

      Fool me once…, I know this is off-topic, but I’m digging your username. I’m assuming it’s in reference to Bush’s blunder…yeah?

      • fool me once... July 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

        “I’m assuming it’s in reference to Bush’s blunder…yeah?”
        Hi Blanche, that’s what Kareem’s comment alluded to in Nahida’s top, gone but not forgotten “Breaking the Chains of Arrogance” article.
        So no, it’s not a Drunk George ref, but an affirmation to help keep vigilant against israeli, jewish, zio trickery and deceptive slyness, after waking up to all their shady shit shenanigans. They’ve only got themselves to blame for the back-lash.
        I take it with your “digging” ref that you’ll be helping out in the deLib garden? ;)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedpN2txzUA

        • Jonathon Blakeley July 8, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

          Junior Mervin is cool but Lee Scratch Perry Is great, dicovered him 20 year along with Hawkwind and Gong. I got all his stuff now.

          introducing myself…

    • Jonathon Blakeley July 8, 2012 at 9:59 am #

      When Mathis said

      I have arrived.

      I expected a trumpet fan fare or something, talk about self-important, but I suppose you get that from Academic supremacists.

    • etominusipi July 24, 2012 at 11:41 pm #

      loved this stunning bit of archive. it improves with age. an almost filmic moment…well done fool_me_once

  16. Blanche July 8, 2012 at 8:14 am #

    Excellent article, thank you Martin.

  17. etominusipi July 8, 2012 at 9:04 am #

    PRINCESS DI

    since Jay mentioned this, i will recount my personal take on the matter, which has nothing to do with arguments about forensic evidence.

    in 1997, at a period of when life when my habitual poverty was particularly dire, i spent most of my time in a very small kitchen, reading/writing at a makeshift table. sometimes i would listen to a radio which was placed at the back of the table. on the evening of Saturday 30th of August, my mood was slightly mellower than usual, due to the gift of a bottle of Portuguese wine from a friend.

    i turned on the ‘flagship’ 10 pm news/current affairs programme on radio 4. i have no memory of what was reported, but what i do remember was that the programme was interrupted after a few minutes due to a ‘technical problem’. the proposed solution was to move to another studio. cue for a musical interlude. a few minutes later there was another announcement, that the technical problems were too severe, so it was music for the rest of the duration of the programme.

    this seemed a little odd, and, in my experience, unprecedented.

    sometimes, after switching off the radio to prevent myself being forced to endure yet another rendering of the appalling jingle known affectionately as ‘our national anthem’ i would leave the radio on quietly in case anything of interest turned up on the World Service, a station which was still, in those days, occasionally worth listening to.

    i was surprised, not far into the night, by an announcement that Princess Diana had been involved in a car crash in France. by 3 a.m. the tributes and obituaries were flowing thick and fast.

    i have never heard anyone mention or seen any discussion of this glitch in the news – though it is not a matter that has greatly pre-occupied me.

    the only explanation that i can think of is that murky business was afoot, and that some person or persons at the beeb, who had foreknowledge of the coming hit, had tried to establish a signal.

    of course, people like Jay would immediately cry “it was a coincidence”. their ‘null hypothesis’ is that governments are frightfully honest, and seldom, if ever, do naughty things.

    ‘coincidence’ is not a causal explanation, but it is a useful catch-all category.

    poll data are to some extent fickle, depending on the way questions are asked, but there is much evidence of this kind to show a significant percentage of people believe Diana’s death was not an accident, perhaps between a third and a half of English people – this concurs with my own (informal) soundings of random strangers in pubs (an admittedly biassed sample)

    the massive and, indeed, excessive outpouring of public grief on the day of her funeral (which i witnessed in Camden Town) requires explanation. it suggests to me a collective sense of guilt. after Diana’s death suicide rates in England rose by 17%, and self-harming incidents increased even more.

    the official denials (whitewash enquiries etc.) seem to be associated with the set phrase “not a shred of evidence”. to a seasoned sociolinguist, repetitions of such stereotyped language might be classed with the obsessive hand-washing of certain guilty parties.

    out, damned spot!

  18. who_me July 8, 2012 at 10:38 am #

    and now for something completely different to lighten the atmosphere a little:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1-Oep9uNwM

  19. etominusipi July 8, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    thank you who_me. very entertaining and instructive. at first i fell for the rather too obvious interpretation that it is a symbolist treatment of the psychic precursors of the foundation of a rogue state. on more mature and objective reflection i realised it was based on MI5 reports about my own adolescence.

    • who_me July 8, 2012 at 7:12 pm #

      i figured we needed a break from the jay knott stuff. :)

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 8, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

        MIght we need as elaborate a staging to convince Jay we don’t want to “date” him anymore?

        • Jay Knott July 9, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

          Ariadna – in using the term ‘we’, you identify with idiots who litter this site with illiterate comments.

          It’s occurred to me there could be a sort of Olympics for each nation’s daft conspiracy theories about its national tragedies. Germany had the ‘stab in the back’ theory about how they lost WWI. Same with the US Republicans and Vietnam. Arab countries have various explanations of how Israel beat them. Britain of course has Diana.

          But the Americans would get most of the gold medals.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 9, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

            You make me a big offer. What shall choose:

            –to allow myself to be considered by YOU, a gentleman who oozes logic (I used that verb because yours is as thick and sweet as molasses), nothing more but an idiot and illiterate who litters this site?!

            –or shall I abjure everything that I believe and wrote about so far in my disgusting idiotic illiteracy?

            I have nothing to gain if I persist in my idiocy.
            If, on the other hand, I show myself worthy of your confidence that I am not like them I get:
            — I will be lifted from the swamp of stupidity and stalinism onto the dry shore of enlightened reason where I can sit at your knee and learn more.
            — Together (not as equals, no, I haven’t mastered the technique yet but as an adjutant) we can swat at the little illiterates who have been so brazen as to ridicule you, the pigmies who did not understand that the torn and dirty package stamped 9/11 Commission of which they refused to accept delivery hides something precious inside that must be protected.
            — I will, in short, get your approval.

            Neah, I think not. Generous offer but there is nothing in it I want.
            Concha de la lora! I never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

          • Jay Knott July 18, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

            Ariadna – I’m not asking you to ‘abjure everything you believe’. I don’t ask you to ‘abjure’ your belief that Jewish supremacy is the most important form of ethnic power in the Western world today – most of what I’ve written for five years have argued the same thing.

            I don’t even ask you to give up believing that September 11th and numerous other crimes were not done by Islamic terrorists. I just think you should try to explain by whom you think they were done, and what is the evidence. Sarky remarks, and truther buzzwords like ‘boxcutter conspiracy’, ‘WTC7′ and ‘Silverstein’ don’t count.

            But yes, I do think you should stop using insults from the ‘pigmies’ (good word) who litter this site with their moronic comments.

          • who_me July 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm #

            you still running your mouth, dear boy? you know full well ariadna is on vacation and wont shoot you down, as she usually does. what does one call a boy who is afraid of girls? :D

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 20, 2012 at 10:16 am #

            There you are! I had missed this one…
            “I just think you should try to explain by whom you think they were done, and what is the evidence.”

            That’s what you totally fail to grasp, Jay. It beats me why.
            I don’t have to explain a thing. When my government tells me a tall tale that I find impossible to accept about a horrible event, I don’t have to explain how the event did in fact happen. I do, however, have the right to cry FOUL LIE to high heaven and demand that a TRUE INVESTIGATION be carried out. Can you try to hold on to that idea and stop asking the same absurd question over and over?

            “But yes, I do think you should stop using insults from the ‘pigmies’ (good word) who litter this site with their moronic comments.”

            1. Thanks for acknowledging my description of how you view those who contradict you.
            2. What insults? Concha de la lora? It’s not an insult, it’s an exclamation that I tried out because I had just learned it in Spanish and, for linguistic reasons that don’t matter, I find it delightful because it combines delicacy with shocking value. It may well be stalinist so don;t try it yourself.

          • etominusipi July 24, 2012 at 11:55 pm #

            Ariadna wrote

            I don’t have to explain a thing. When my government tells me a tall tale that I find impossible to accept about a horrible event, I don’t have to explain how the event did in fact happen. I do, however, have the right to cry FOUL LIE to high heaven and demand that a TRUE INVESTIGATION be carried out. Can you try to hold on to that idea and stop asking the same absurd question over and over??

            ex-f_cking-actly!

            for your own sake and for the sake of the site, raise your game a little, Jay. you talk a smooth academic liberal dialect, but you do not seem to struggle for that synthesis of passion and logic which alone gives birth to worthwhile intuition – on the contrary your utterances seem designed only to persuade, and to persuade in what might appear to an unsympathetic observer as an insidious manner.

            i hope one day you become aware that thinking, real thinking is learning?

  20. etominusipi July 10, 2012 at 7:00 am #

    as it happens, a recent survey showed that Harry’s Place is by far the most illiterate-idiot-friendly chat site. illiterate idiots tend not to hang out here for long because as yet we can’t offer them anything like the same level of facilities.

    btw, i presume J uses illiterate in a metaphorical sense, since he is an educated man apprised of the fact that the literally illiterate (=unlettered) by definition cannot read and write, except through some voice-activated technology which may be available to the average mossadnik, but which, in these times of economic austerity, most certainly lies beyond the pocket range of the typical deLiberation commentator.

    he may mean unlettered in the almost as but definitively slightly less literal sense of lacking entitlement to that academic postsoubriquet which took me some time to decipher in the quaintly arthropodophonic construction aemathisphd

    or, again, it may merely mean “someone who disagrees with me”. let me share with you the bare bones of one semantic test i have occasionally found useful – throughout, i may say, a long career of careful analyses of the use of this particular phrase, in a wide variety of contexts which have taken me half-way round the world on occasion.

    the test is, simply, to explore, in the context being interrogated, any difference in nuance which may be observed by interchanging the words ‘illiterate idiot’ and some more general-purpose pejorative ejaculation, let us say, for the sake of argument, ‘arsehole’. unfortunately the methodology would require a tricky adaptation in the present case as an examination of J’s phrase reveals:

    idiots who litter this site with illiterate comments…

    in fact, since it is not logically impossible for a non-illiterate person to make an illiterate comment, it is perhaps going too far to say that J actually accuses any contributor of actually being an ‘illiterate idiot’.

    from a metrical perspective this phrase deserves praise for its euphonious alliterative juxtaposition of ‘litter’ and ‘illiterate’, a circumstance i heartily recommend to the attention of all serious readers of this column

  21. who_me July 14, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/of-towering-infernos-false-flags-terrorism

    “When Moscow’s Federation Tower skyscraper caught fire last April, images of the blazing inferno on its upper floors were grim reminders of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks on the Twin Towers of New York City’s World Trade Centre.

    However, had the “9/11 laws of physics” prevailed, Federation Tower would have collapsed into its footprint at free-fall speed and turned into an inches-deep dust carpet covering central Moscow. Clearly, that is not what happened…

    What did happen was that twenty Moscow fire brigades and helicopters fought the blaze throughout the night, bringing it under control and finally extinguishing it.”

  22. who_me July 17, 2012 at 5:37 am #

    http://rt.com/politics/politkovskaya-murder-journalist-policeman-267/

    “So far, investigators have not named the person who ordered the assassination. Pavlyuchenkov earlier accused UK-based envoy of Chechen terrorists, Akhmed Zakayev and businessman Boris Berezovsky of masterminding the murder.”

    az, the “al qaida” “muslim” merc, and bb, the zionazi, jewish mafia handler and moneybags of az. this is a combo being repeated almost everywhere jp is causing conflict. where ever one looks into “muslim terrorism”, one finds loyal zionazis and jewish money. lots of jewish money.

  23. who_me July 20, 2012 at 1:34 am #

    this isn’t about 9/11, it’s about the jfk assassination. it’s long, but i found it interesting (i posted here because i didn’t see anything about jfk in a search):

    http://cryptome.org/2012/07/jfk-hunt.pdf

    E. Howard Hunt and the JFK Plotters

    “How much of Howard Hunt’s scenario holds up under
    examination. Surprisingly, much of it does. The people
    that he names as part of the plot are, for the most part,
    people whose names have cropped up over and over again in the assassination literature. There is substantial evidence to implicate them in a plot to kill JFK. For this reason, Hunt’s revelations are more credible than they might otherwise be. A review of the literature indicates why this is so.”

  24. who_me July 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm #

    another israeli-9/11 link i did not know about:

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1995attatrip#a1995attatrip

    “1990: Mohamed Atta Joins Muslim Brotherhood Linked Group

    In 1990, after finishing his studies in architecture in Egypt, future 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta joins what is called an “engineering syndicate,” a professional or trade group. Like the school that trained many of its engineers, the syndicate serves as an unofficial base for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, where the organization recruits new operatives and spreads its ideology. Other members of the 9/11 plot will also have connections to the Muslim Brotherhood at various points in their lives. [Washington Post, 9/22/2001; Observer, 9/23/2001; Newsweek, 12/31/2001]”

    1995: Hijacker Atta Still Connected to Group Linked to Muslim Brotherhood

    In a three-month trip to his hometown of Cairo, Egypt, 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta demonstrates that he is still a member of an engineering syndicate linked to the Muslim Brotherhood (see 1990). He takes the two Germans students he is traveling with, Volker Hauth and Ralph Bodenstein, to the syndicate’s eating club. According to Hauth, Atta does nothing during the trip he knows about that suggests he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the group’s influence on the club is obvious. [Washington Post, 9/22/2001; Australian Broadcasting Corporation, 10/15/2001] A former CIA officer who served undercover in Damascus, Syria, will later say, “At every stage in Atta’s journey is the Muslim Brotherhood.” [New Yorker, 7/18/2003]”

    the muslim brotherhood and israel are allies and the muslim brotherhood serves as a vector for israel to infiltrate its security service operatives into the muslim community, as well as a source of recruitment of suitable collaborators.”

  25. who_me July 26, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

    http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/06/demystifying-911-israel-and-the-tactics-of-mistake/

    Demystifying 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistake

    “Many years ago I read a fascinating discussion of the “tactics of mistake.” This essentially entailed using a target’s prejudices and preconceptions to mislead them as to the origin and intent of the attack, entrapping them in a tactical situation that later worked to the attacker’s strategic advantage.

    This is what unfolded in the 9/11 attacks that led us into the matrix of wars and conflicts, present (Afghanistan and Iraq), planned (Iran and Syria) and projected (Jordan and Egypt), that benefit Israel and no other country — although I concede that many private contractors and politicians are doing very well for themselves out of the death and misery of others.

    I am also absolutely certain as a strategic analyst that 9/11 itself, from which all else flows, was a classic Mossad-orchestrated operation. But Mossad did not do it alone. They needed local help within America (and perhaps elsewhere) and they had it, principally from some alumni of PNAC (the misnamed Project for a New American Century) and their affiliates within and outside of the US Government (USG), who in the 9/11 attacks got the “catalytic event” they needed and craved to take the US to war on Israel’s behalf, only eight months after coming into office….”

  26. who_me July 27, 2012 at 8:07 am #

    i noticed a tweet listed here by max keiser:

    “WTF!? “James Holmes’ father, Robert Holmes, set to provide crippling info. on Libor & other banking scandal”

    yeah, wtf? preemptive payback?

    • who_me July 27, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

      http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021025002

      James Holmes’ father, Robert Holmes, set to provide crippling info. on Libor & other banking scandal

      apparently, democraticunderground doesn’t want this connection being discussed on their site. is there a zionist connection in this – as in jewish mafia? :)

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 27, 2012 at 7:29 pm #

      Strange story. Young Holmes is not a Brevnik. He says he doesn’t remember a thing–total amnesia. Could be a defense strategy, could be true.
      That his father is who he is makes it odd. A “conspiracy theory” would describe it as a blackmail: ” What do you want for your son? To fry or to do a long sentence after which he will eventually get out?”

      • who_me July 27, 2012 at 8:07 pm #

        one of the early press reports of the massacre featured a witness who said that right before holmes came in, through an emergency exit, he saw someone inside the theater get up from their seat and go over to where the emergency door was. the witness thought he saw or heard the door being opened.

        that sounds like this holmes had an accomplice.

        • etominusipi July 28, 2012 at 7:59 am #

          or minder(s)?

          i met a man in a pub last night, who told me (in a lowered voice)

          “if the Holmes sr data is correct, and also, if there is an mkultra-type connection, then:

          since a mind-control program could not be set up overnight, then the LIBOR-revelations op must also have been in planning for some time.

          what is LIBOROP? insider dealing of all kinds is meat and drink to the moneypigs swilling in the troughs of the City of London. why the rap on the knuckles for one bunch?

          it might not be too difficult to persuade a bright but wayward neuroscience student that he might stand to gain (in one or more of a number of attractive-seeming ways) by secretly participating in beta-testing a new mind-and-performance-enhancing drug

          it might not be too difficult to persuade such a person, once on the program, that it was succeeding…and to require participation in a more severe test modelled as a mock-terror attack at a particularly suitable filmic premier. using dummy ammunition which would simply render people unconscious for a short time -we’ve all been paint-balling, haven’t we? (well, no, actually, but you’ll get my drift)

          it might not be difficult to have planted in the same young person a slow-release pharmaceutical concoction to produce retrograde amnesia covering the time of the incident.

          however, since i’m not a conspiracy nut, i’d say it was all a gigantic coincidence. like 9/11. sheer coincidence. quantum physics proves that the towers would collapse by sheer chance once every 2,600,000,000,000,000,000.000.000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,666, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000 trillion years.

          the anthropic principle then shows that since 911 has happened here, we must by sheer chance live in a rare version of the multiverse where this event came along a bit early – it’s a no-brainer, and therefore particularly acceptable to people with no brains, and thus also democratic and populist enough to appeal to all right-thinking readers of this noble organ…”

          he slumped forward, still clutching his double brandy. i dialled 911…

          from The Lure of The Sirens by Aazik Ossipov, with introduction by Prof. Chaim Nomsky

          PS

          Joker: major arcana of tarot collapsed into a single card
          Aurora: (this is the dawning of the geddit)
          Holmes: “bring your revolver, Watson!”

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 28, 2012 at 8:22 am #

            slick and sly and with your usual incomparable verve

          • etominusipi July 28, 2012 at 8:46 am #

            vkoy <3

          • who_me July 28, 2012 at 9:00 am #

            yup.

            one of the side effects reported from cia lsd experiments is it destroyed the person’s ability to concentrate eventually. i’m sure the establishment has since then made such “mind expansion” drugs less crude. this holmes started out as a promising student, but began falling apart recently and screwing up his studies. yet, he was a loner, not a party animal. a sign of someone being slipped mood altering drugs that operated like lsd did, but probably without any obvious effects, like hallucinations, just the subtle mind warp in the background.

      • who_me July 28, 2012 at 2:01 am #

        “Young Holmes is not a Brevnik. He says he doesn’t remember a thing–total amnesia. Could be a defense strategy, could be true.”

        not remembering a thing is common. i mean, when was the last time you shot up a theater full of people and forgot all about it?

        another massacre, “thwarted”, is in the msn news. the zionazis’ stooges just happened to nip that one in the bud.

        something is very wrong here.

        • who_me July 28, 2012 at 3:38 am #

          back when the cia was testing drugs on people in the 1950’s, they used psychaitrists (jewish zionist shrinks?) to pass out the drugs to unsuspecting victims:

          http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/shooting-suspect-james-holmes-treated-cu-psychiatrist-193517014.html

          “Shooting suspect James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado-Denver, where he was a first-year graduate student in neuroscience, according to court documents released Friday. His psychiatrist, Lynne Fenton, a professor at CU’s medical school and the director of student mental health services, specializes in schizophrenia, according to her online biography.”

          • etominusipi July 28, 2012 at 8:40 am #

            Holmes’ shrink Lynne Fenton is the director of student mental health services at the University of Colorado’s Anschutz Medical Campus.

            Anschutz/Anschütz ?

            from WikiP

            The Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) is a sporting and music entertainment presenter and a subsidiary of The Anschutz Corporation. It is the world’s largest owner of sports teams and sports events, the owner of the world’s most profitable sports and entertainment venues, and under AEG Live the world’s second largest presenter of live music and entertainment events after Live Nation…As one of the world’s richest billionaires, Philip Anschutz has been making a name for himself in the philanthropic community. He was listed as #123 on the Forbes list of billionaires in March 2010, with a net worth of $6 billion.
            __________________________________________

            J. G. Anschütz GmbH & Co. KG is a firearms company based in Ulm, Germany, that makes small and large-bore rifles (.17, .22, .223 Rem. .308, 30-06, 8×57 IS, and 9,3X62 caliber, and .177 air rifles and air pistols) and shotguns for target shooting and hunting. Their rifles are used by many competitive shooters participating in the 50 m Rifle event at the Summer Olympics and Winter Olympics biathlon.

            ANSCHÜTZ stands for innovation and perfection. This has not changed through the years. The name ANSCHÜTZ is inseparably connected with innumerable national and international shooting triumphs.

          • etominusipi July 28, 2012 at 9:26 am #

            on reflection, i think the philanthropic company is a cute phrase for a bunch of very likable people who do a lot of good for humanity. i did write them, outlining a slight concern that philanthropic might, amongst those blessed with simple minds, be mistaken for the similar-sounding Greek word phallocentric. several weeks later i was honored to be woken at 2 a.m. and informed by telephone that this was not a big issue for them – in fact they had paid a well-known Harvard sociolinguistics prof to research this precise question, with satisfyingly negative results – no sementic correlation. i expressed my pleasure by sharing what Borges called a Hartmannesque philosophical pun, for reasons he admitted in print, were substantially less than extremely tenuous, to the effect that phallocentric criminals condemn themselves to penile servitude. this was my aspergers. i thought he would find it amusing, but the line suddenly went dead. perhaps the connection had failed. after a moment there was just a buzzing in my ear…

            …two hours later i woke under a bush. my head was still buzzing, i looked up and the wind-blown sky was circling cloudfuls of bird. once again one of Andy’s 5.8% microbrewery stouts had caught me unawares.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos July 28, 2012 at 9:45 am #

            Tangled connections:
            “The campus is located on a portion of the former Fitzsimons Army Medical Center. After the base was decommissioned in 1999, the campus became known as the Fitzsimons Medical Campus, or simply “Fitzsimons.” The name of the portion of Fitzsimons that houses the university facilities was changed to its current name in 2006 after the Anschutz family donated $91 million[3] to construct the Anschutz Centers for Advanced Medicine.”
            Phillip Anschutz is the 34th richest man according to Forbes, not a pauper #123–evangelical christian, hailing back to a jewish line in Russia.

          • who_me July 28, 2012 at 10:06 am #

            etominusipi and Ariadna Theokopoulos

            nice bit of detective work there.

  27. who_me August 7, 2012 at 8:39 am #

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26498

    “The NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology, a government agency) reports on the twin towers and building 7 are fraudulent. Witnesses at the Toronto Hearings proved that building 7 was a standard controlled demolition and that incendiaries and explosives brought down the twin towers. There is no doubt whatsoever about this. Anyone who declares the contrary has no scientific basis upon which to stand. Those who defend the official story believe in miracles that defy the laws of physics.

    A nano-chemist from the University of Copenhagen, who together with a scientific team spent 18 months investigating the chemical and physical properties of dust from the towers, found evidence of nano-termite in the dust and quantities of particles not naturally formed by office or normal building fires that indicate another explosive was also present.

    Physicist David Chandler proved beyond all doubt that building 7 fell over its visible part (other buildings obscure the bottom floors) at free fall speed, an unambiguous indication that explosives had removed all supporting columns simultaneously.There is no possibility whatsoever according to the laws of physics that building 7 fell for the reasons NIST provides. The NIST account is a total denial of known laws of physics.

    In recent years in America, scientific and scholarly authority has come into disrepute among Christian evangelicals who object to evolution and among anti-intellectual Tea Party adherents who object to “elitists,” that is, objection to knowledge-based persons whose knowledge does not support Tea Party emotions.

    In other words, qualified, knowledgeable people who tell people what they do not want to hear are dismissed as “the enemy.” Much of the American population is set up to believe government propaganda. Without an independent media, which the US no longer has, people are taught that only “conspiracy kooks” challenge the government’s story. Even on the Internet, this is a main theme on Antiwar.com and on CounterPunch.org, two sites that protest America’s wars but accept the 9/11 propaganda that justifies the wars.

    This is the reason that I think that the US is moving into an era where the emotional needs of the population produced by government propaganda overwhelms science, evidence, and facts. It means the abolition of accountable government and the rule of law, because protection from terrorists is more important.

    The fact-based world in which “we are not afraid to follow the truth wherever it may lead” is being displaced by dogma. Anyone who doubts “our government” is an anti-American, Muslim-loving, pinko-liberal commie, who should be arrested and waterboarded until the culprit confesses that he is a terrorist.”

  28. Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 8:47 am #

    I used to think like you but that one video showing BBC reporting the collapse of building #7 about 20 minutes or more before it happened shook my conviction because I think science dismisses in too cavalier a manner paranormal phenomena like premonitions and ‘second sight.”
    It is possible that #7 was doomed to fall having been weakened and that British reporter “saw” it, and then all your theory crumbles. As someone said “no one holds the truth.”

  29. etominusipi August 7, 2012 at 1:17 pm #

    i agree there seems something peculiarly loathsome about the servility of the contemporary press, but i’m not sure how much nostalgia is in order. it is well to bear in mind a well-known truth-saying, from more than a century ago. (or so runs the general belief)

    from http://rense.com/general20/yes.htm
    (initial text in italics is from the author on that site, where there is a more detailed discussion of the provenance of the quotation from Swinton that follows it.

    …with the possible exception of Hunter S. Thompson, there are no Swintons in the American media these days, and I would ask Mr. McMahon why he thinks that is so. A media that presents only half the range of opinion is presenting no information at all.

    One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:

    There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

    “There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty_four hours my occupation would be gone.

    “The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

    “We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”

    (Source: Labor’s Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

      1897: William Randolph Hearst: “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”

      Still, a time of innocence. Now the pictures are photoshopped or reused from place to place.

  30. etominusipi August 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm #

    В западных странах, к сожалению, газеты публикуют только то, что желают владельцы – Pravda

  31. who_me August 12, 2012 at 11:02 pm #

    is there a connection between the recent mass killings in the usa and europe and the zpc/usual fascists? this piece raises some important questions.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32299

    “Operation Gladio in America?

    A potential backdrop and precursor to the Colorado and Wisconsin events is the oft-forgotten Operation Gladio, a campaign involving US and British intelligence-backed paramilitaries anonymously carrying out mass shootings and bombings of civilian targets throughout Europe. Hundreds of such attacks took place between the late 1960s and early 1980s by “stay behind armies” of right wing and fascist saboteurs in an overall effort to terrorize populations, deploy a “strategy of tension,” and thereby maintain a centrist political status quo.[1] In the uncertain environment the petrified citizenry pled for stepped-up security and stood poised to part with personal freedoms. At the same time the maneuver allowed for political adversaries—in Gladio’s time socialist and communist groups—to be blamed for the attacks and thereby demonized in the public mind.

    The string of still unresolved US political assassinations throughout the 1960s suggest how such practices were not restricted to foreign countries. Nor were they solely the terrain of intelligence agencies. Along lines similar to Gladio, in the early 1960s the US Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed Operation Northwoods, where terrorist attacks would be initiated against US civilians in American cities and the violence blamed on Cuban combatants to justify war against the island nation.[2] The Kennedy administration rejected the proposal. While Northwoods exhibited the capacity for government to conceive and propose such plans, Gladio was demonstrably carried out against Western civilian populations in multiple locations over many years.

    Consideration of Gladio and Northwoods might be dismissed were it not for early eyewitness accounts following the Colorado and Wisconsin shootings contending how there were two or more killers present at each incident—testimonies contradicting official government narratives that have accordingly been suppressed in the public mind.[3]”

    there is also the cannibal attacks and the fact that mercs hired by jp to terrorise libya and syria have been given mind altering drugs. are these, or similar drugs being used on unsuspecting individuals in the usa and europe also?

  32. Jay Knott March 15, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    Reading this article again after 8 months, it seems even dumber than the first time. The fact that September 11th was shocking, and that being shocked makes people easier to manipulate, is used as evidence that 9/11 was a false flag incident. The Israeli prime minister’s presence in a BBC studio somehow implies that Israel was involved.

    Most of the facts presented above are equally compatible with the official story and several unofficial ones. They do not select the ‘9/11 truth’ narrative, except for readers who are already committed to it.

    The notorious BBC claim that WTC7 collapsed 20 minutes before it did is easy to explain. The idea that the BBC was told to say that WTC7 had collapsed by the conspirators, who knew when it would happen, but got the timing slightly wrong, is far more complicated than the explanation that they made a “lucky” guess, based on looking at a building which had been burning for several hours.

    Of course, I could be wrong.

    The main problem with ‘9/11 truth’ is not its lack of logic. It’s its attitude to attempts to refute it. If you can’t see the overwhelming evidence for BBC complicity in the Zionist plot, you must be in on it. This circular reasoning shows more than anything that it is not a scientifically-based movement.

    • Deadbeat March 15, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

      Jay Knott writes …

      The notorious BBC claim that WTC7 collapsed 20 minutes before it did is easy to explain. … Of course, I could be wrong.

      That pretty much sums it up.

      The definitive source of info on Building 7 is AE911Truth.org. Thanks to the efforts and work of AE911Truth, in 2008, NIST reversed itself and agreed that Building 7 collapsed at free fall speed.

  33. Simorgh March 15, 2013 at 4:12 pm #

    Mr Iqbal wrote: “Zionist-controlled BBC was the chosen outlet for the birth of the myth that is the ‘War on Terror’.”

    I submit that 9/11/2001 was not the BIRTH of the myth but its bris. The ‘War on Terror’ was born in Jerusalem, July 2-5, 1979 (it was a long labor). Benzion and his son Benjamin Netanyahu were the proud parents; among the 50- or so persons in attendance at the birth were world leaders and ideologues from George H W Bush to Menachem Begin; Henry Scoop Jackson to Chaim Herzog; George Will to Norman Podhoretz.

    The only women present at this birth of terror were Midge Decter and Professor Annie Kriegel – GWOT was the latest in the Abrahamic series of ‘miraculous conceptions/births.’

    Displacing “for unto us a child is born,” the birth of unholy terror is gospelized in “International Terrorism: Challenge and Response,” compiled/edited by Benjamin Netanyahu in 1981.

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