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Russia will confront any US-led attack on Syria: Webster Tarpley

Press TV talks with Dr. Webster Griffin Tarpley, author and historian in Washington, to further shed light on the issue.

Israel is apparently laying the groundwork for a possible military attack on Syria by alleging that Damascus could be using chemical weapons against the Syrian people. Tel Aviv has recently expressed concern about what it calls the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Israel says the weapons could fall into the wrong hands and that they may even be used by Syria to carry out an attack against Israeli forces. The pretext is being used to justify a possible military assault on Syria even if it means triggering a broader conflict across the region. Ayoob Kara, a senior member of the Israeli Likud Party led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, claimed in an interview with Israel Radio on June 9 that the Syrian government has used “chemical weapons against men, women, and children” during the past months of unrest in the country.

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86 Responses to Russia will confront any US-led attack on Syria: Webster Tarpley

  1. Cosmo June 13, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

    I am so mad at Obama right now for all those hypothetically slaughtered Christians!
    Thank god for Assad and Iran for being there to try and prevent any massacres going on in Syria.

    • Roy Bard June 13, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

      Are you talking about this article or some other article?

      why not share the link so we can all read about it?

      Or are you simply trying to tell us what we should be talking about? And do you kn ow more about who is killing who in Syria than you know about gays in Iran?

      • Cosmo June 13, 2012 at 11:11 pm #

        Talking about the Iranian PressTV propaganda video in the article.

      • Cosmo June 13, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

        Gays in Iran? I thought there are no gays in Iran.
        Alawites and Shiites killing Sunnis, Sunnis killing Shiites and Alawites… Same as everywhere.

    • Roy Bard June 13, 2012 at 11:01 pm #

      Where is the beauty in Israel? Why not share it on Paul’s thread?

      • who_me June 13, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

        “Where is the beauty in Israel? Why not share it on Paul’s thread?”

        careful, cosmo mag will start posting his favourite israeli gay porn. :D

    • pgg804 June 14, 2012 at 4:03 am #

      I thought Cosmo was serious when he made his first comment and then I read his follow up. I agree with his first comment. To the best of my knowledge Assad’s Syria and Iran are fine countries. Iran has not attacked another country for at least 70 years (and probably over 100 years) but it has been continuously attacked by others (Britain in 1941, Britain and USA in 1953, Iraq in the 1980’s (with military support from the USA) and then the USA shot down an Iranian civilian airliner in 1988 murdering several hundred civilians. This was deliberate mass murder. When Iran called upon the US to apologize, the first President Bush replied that the USA doesn’t apologize to anyone. I’m not aware of Syria attacking any foreign countries for many years either, although it has been attacked by Israel several times since European Jews settled in Palestine and expelled the people that lived there.

      You can’t believe a word from the mainstream media, but its still worth reading to get an idea what their motives are.

      The US and the west claim to criticize the Arab states such as Syria and Moslem states like Iran in defense of the people living there. But as we all know, when the USA’s ally such as Israel massacred 1,400 Palestinians in 2008-2009 the USA silently supported the murders. When Europe called for Israel to pull out of Gaza the USA refused to support this. Europe is also guilty. It refused to criticize the murderers,

      Regarding Iran, the USA sounds like the biggest liar in history when it claims it is building a missile defense system in Europe to defend against an Iranian nuclear strike. Iran doesn’t have a nuclear bomb, doesn’t have a missile that can reach Europe, repeatedly says it does not want a nuclear bomb and has never indicated any desire to attack Europe, which would be suicide for them anyway. Its roughly comparable to Cuba attacking the USA. But if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it.

      The evidence is overwhelming that the US and the rest of the west will do anything (including murder and supporting revolutions) to destabilize Israel’s enemies and will never criticize the Jewish state no matter who they attack and kill. Syria and Iran are innocent and the USA has been murdering Muslims for Jews for forty years or longer.

      • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 10:25 am #

        Yeah Syria haven’t attacked anyone besides Israel, invading Jordan and occupying Lebanon.
        You talk about Israel killing 1,400 most of them militants while Russia you love so much masscared tens of thousands of civilians in the Chechnya wars.
        USA shouldn’t get involved in Syria, USA have been going on too many wars for Arab interests.

        • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 10:43 am #

          You talk about Israel killing 1,400 most of them militants

          Have you got evidence that MOST WERE MILITANTS? Are you suggesting most of them were killed whilst engaging in militant acts?

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 11:11 am #

            Even Hamas later on admitted 600-700 of the killed were militants.
            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-admits-600-700-of-its-men-were-killed-in-cast-lead-1.323776

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 11:30 am #

            So not MOST then (if the report is true)- even before you exclude the ‘150 security personnel’

            Were they engaged in military action at the time they were killed? Or was it executions?

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 11:39 am #

            About 50-50, most of them if you go by the IDF report.
            Executions? So terrorists should be allowed to murder civilians freely but when the other side decides to strike back they should be allowed to take off their uniform and hide under their bed until next time they decide to attack?

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 11:50 am #

            But we can’t believe anything the IDF says, can we? They’ve been proven to lie, lie and lie again. Even over non-essential matters:

            http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-gay-soldiers-photo-is-misleading-military-source-says/

            Most Israelis are soldiers – Israeli soldiers kill Palestinians therefore Palestinians have a right to kill Israelis, right?

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

            Most Israelis are not soliders and you really compare the lies by the Palestinian side to the IDF?
            I guess the Palestinians tought us well how to stage photos.

          • pgg804 June 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm #

            The Palestinians have the same defense capability as the Jews in he Warsaw ghetto in 1943 when they battled the German army – none.

            The Palestinians don’t have an army nor weapons. The Israelis massacred 1,400 defenseless people with nothing to defend themselves.

            The “terrorists” as you call them have lived there for how many thousands of years? The greatest humanitarians in the world, bravest soldiers in the world, etc., etc. etc., the Israelis, came from Europe in large masses after WW II and stole the Palestinians land from them. Who are the terrorists?

            Syria is an Arab country. The USA and Israel are not. Lebanon has been a mess ever since the Jews arrived and began destroying the country every 10 years or so. Thank God Hezbollah, the national liberation organization that was founded to throw the Israeli murderers out in 1982 has support from Syria and Iran.

            Syria and Lebanon are Arabs and Iran share their Moslem religion. Israel and the USA have no business there. Syria does.

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm #

            Palestinians have probably at least 50,000 armed men if you take into account Hamas state forces Qassam Brigades PIJ forces and all the PA forces and other Fataha ffiliated gangs. The are armed with everything from kornet anti tank and anti air missiles to RPG’s to road side bombs mines, mortars Grad rockets.
            I don’t call all Palestinian terrorists I am talking about members of terrorist groups. What business is there for Syria to be in Lebanon? the fact they are Arabs?
            By the way the Likud Deputy Minister speaking in the video about chemical weapons is actually an Arab Druze not a Jew.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

            Palestinians are by definition militants. Roy doesn’t seem to understand that. Furthermore, all the fuss made about killing Palestinian children ignores in the typical bleeding heart fashion of crypto-anti-semites that Israel faces an EXISTENTIAL THREAT by one of the most powerful weapons: the demographic bomb. A perceptive Israeli said that the Palestinian woman’s womb is a ticking bomb.

  2. searching June 13, 2012 at 11:57 pm #

    “Benjamin Netanyahu, claimed in an interview with Israel Radio on June 9 that the Syrian government has used “chemical weapons against men, women, and children” during the past months of unrest in the country
    …..
    israel is a war criminal. It used chemical weapons (white phosphorus) in Gaza that killed hundreads of innocent civilians including little children.
    And this psychopath dares to falsely accuse some other leader, while he has a blood on his own hands??
    He has no human decency left. None.

    • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 9:14 am #

      Really hundreds of innocent civilians were killed by white phosphorus?
      The subject was covered so intensely you would have no problem giving me the names of lets say 50 civilians who died from white phosphorus in Gaza.
      But you know you wouldn’t find them since you already know hardly anyone actually died of it during the Gaza war.
      You know since the war only one side have been firing white phosphorus shells and that is the Palestinian terrorists targeting Israeli civilians.
      And what blood is on Netanyahu’s hands? He wasn’t even a part of the government at a time.

      • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 10:33 am #

        Heres some names for you Cosmo – from HRW’s Rain of Fire Report:

        ‘Uday al-Haddad, 55, branch manager for Palestine Bank
        Ihsan, 44, (‘Uday’s wife)
        Hatim, 24, accounting student at Islamic University (‘Uday and Ihsan’s son)
        Ala`a, 14, pupil (‘Uday and Ihsan’s daughter)
        Bilal Muhammad Shehada al-Ashkar, 6,
        Muhammad Muhammad Shehada al-Ashkar, 4
        Sa’dallah Abu Halima, 45, father (husband of Sabah)
        ‘Abdel Rahim, 14, son
        Zeid, 11, son Hamza, 10, son
        Shahid, 15 months, daughter.

        Are you more offended by searchings stretched claim than by the deaths of these civilians?

        Now, hows about you give us the names of some Israeli civilians killed by “the Palestinian terrorists targeting Israeli civilians” with “white phosphorus shells”?

        Some verified evidence would be good as well.

        • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 11:26 am #

          The point is if all those white clouds we saw daily during the war were actually anti personal 155mm WP shells targeting civilians and not shells used as smoke screens there probably would be alot more than a vew deaths.
          In the Gaza battleground Hamas chose There would have been civilian deaths regardless. Would there have been less civilians deaths if the IDF had to use other means to protect its troops other than WP smoke screens?
          I am not sure at all.
          Israelis have yet to die from Palestinian WP shells since the war ended. But there is one side which is targeting civilians with WP and one side which isn’t.

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 11:33 am #

            Okay so the ‘terrorists’ haven’t killed any kids with white phosperous, but the IDF have.

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 11:42 am #

            No so far they have failed in their attempts to murder children with WP but were successful with other means.

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 11:52 am #

            so how many Israeli child deaths from Palestinian ‘terrorism’ in the last 5 years?

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 12:12 pm #

            Lately I remember the children of the Itamar family, the child on the school bus near Gaza hit by the anti tank missile, the baby which died with his father while their car was attacked by rocks.

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

            You might have missed this:

            “Are you more offended by searchings stretched claim than by the deaths of these civilians?”

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 12:25 pm #

            Forgot about the children in the Mercaz HaRav massacre. Well I am offended by the repeated lies on the subject. It would have been a better outcome if only enemy militants were killed but that is not realistic. Even if you think all I care about is Israel and Israeli PR and do not care about Palestinians at all it would still be a better result for Israeli PR if the IDF managed to kill only militants. That is why the IDF does what it can to minimze civilian casualties as long as it doesn’t come at a cost of Israeli or IDF lives. So in everyway possible I would rather have less civilian deaths than stretched claims.

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

            Remember these children is a useful site for checking the figures.

            The site tell us that the deaths of children for the last 5 years are as follows:

            2007: Palestinian children who died: – 68 | Israeli children who died – 1 (killed by IDF gunfire)
            2008: Palestinian children who died: -160 | Israeli children who died – 4
            2009: Palestinian children who died: -295 | Israeli children who died – 1
            2010: Palestinian children who died: – 15 | Israeli children who died – 0
            2011: Palestinian children who died: – 15 | Israeli children who died – 5
            2012: Palestinian children who died: – 5 | Israeli children who died – 0

            I make that 559 Palestinian kids and 11 Israeli kids who died over the 5 years. What is the appropriate label for the side who killed 56x as many kids as the ‘terrorists’?

            If you support the right to arbitrarily slaughter ‘militants’ then it would be inconsistent not to support the right of Palestinians to slaughter Israelis – after all Israelis have killed a lot more Palestinian children. And you’d also have to concede that every Israeli who ever served in the IDF was fair game, as its clear that even if the claims about miltant deaths in Gaza were true a) not all of them could be killers as that number of Israelis haven’t died – therefore anyone ancillary to the act must also be fair game and b) if it was acceptable to kill those who had taken off their uniforms and hidden under their beds, then it is acceptable to kill any Israeli ever involved in military operations against Palestinians, or who might potentially do so in the future.

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm #

            I would say the appropiate label would be the stronger side, the side you shouldn’t mess with, the side which is able to bring the war to your door step. In just about everytime in modern history when there is such an asymmetrical war taking places on the weaker sides home. The weaker side will suffer way more civilian casualties. It could be the Mother Teresa high tec saints army against the Child child molestating Hitler’s guerrilla militia. When the saints go marching into Hitler town there will be more of their children dead.
            Why would a person be a legitamate target if he is no longer in the IDF? If that was the case just about every person in the Palestinian authority government and bodies would be considered a target for his past membership of terrorist group.

          • happeh June 14, 2012 at 3:55 pm #

            I haven’t seen a professional bald faced liar like Cosmo since the Iraq war period.

            Where have you and your fellow agents been the past few years Cosmo?

            Do you work for a government openly? Or undercover for some organization like an NGO? Or maybe for some countries Secret Police?

            Or are you a civilian working for someone like AIPAC?

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 4:08 pm #

            I already said it before but if someone was paying me to win hearts and minds for the Israeli cause, he would be extreemely mad to find out I am wasting my time in this website.
            Going after the 0.0001% of extreme haters of Israel and trying to convince them to switch sides instead of going after the 90% of the world which doesn’t know the basics of the conflict and might be open to hear the truth and the Israeli side for once.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

            Don’t take it too seriously, Cosmo. It was just flattery.
            happeh was being generous, implying that that your posts could seem to someone worth paying for.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 3:37 pm #

            There you go again with your meaningless numbers, Jay.
            You are lucky that only Cosmo opposes you, who–animated by the best intentions but not using his arguing skills to their highest potential — can only come up with quotes from ” My Defense Wars–Memoirs of Attila the Hun.”
            I wonder what Jay would say. Perhaps not in this case; his specialty is banking. :-)

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

            Sorry, I meant to say:
            “There you go again with your meaningless numbers, Roy.” Obviously i had Jay on my mind, wondering what his take would be.

          • Jay Knott June 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm #

            Ariadna – I think it’s a little tasteless to mix up the disproportionate no. of children killed by the Israelis with your ‘Jewish banker’ theory. In the case of Israeli war crimes, they are a direct product of ethnic supremacy – they benefit Jews. This insight is what separates us from the rest of the so-called solidarity movement.

            But how is this true of bankers? Bernie Madoff, a famous Jewish swindler, swindled Jews more than anyone. Finance is finance. Were bankers nice guys prior to Judaization of the industry? Are the few goy bankers left desperately trying to help the poor? Ariadna suggests Jewish bankers work together – well so what? What do they work together to achieve that is different to what gentile bankers do, did, or would do?

            http://www.deliberation.info/a-review-of-the-jewish-revolutionary-spirit-by-e-michael-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-7798

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 8:05 pm #

            Jay I am not comparing the number of P. children vs I. children killed with the number of Jewish bankers–that would not be “tasteless” but absurd.
            I am just wondering why your rationale about the preponderance of jewish bankers does not apply to this case as well.
            For example, you said somewhere that the disproportionate number of Jewish bankers/lawyers could well be explained by the fact that “they are better.” You would adduce your survival of the fittest supporting argument to explain how they got to be better.
            So, then, all I am asking is why can’t someone so inclined make the same argument about about Israel’s/IDF’s superior lethal capability: “They are better at it.” Why not? Because it is “tasteless?”

            Furthermore, the same argument you made about the behavior of the jewish bankers not being demonstrably different from that of the Goy bankers can be made here, again, by someone so inclined:
            “What would/does a Goy state/power/army do in occupied lands that is different from what Israel does (examples blah, blah…)?
            So the grand finale con brio is then: “Why focus on Israel?”

            The question remains: why apply the supremacy motivation selectively? Is it a matter of “taste”?
            [Incidentally the bit about what "what separates us from the rest of the so-called solidarity movement" is irrelevant. They, or any other movement, are not standards, negative or any kind of standards, to test the intrinsic solidity of a principle.]

          • Jay Knott June 14, 2012 at 8:46 pm #

            ““What would/does a Goy state/power/army do in occupied lands that is different from what Israel does (examples blah, blah…)?”

            That’s easy. The major European powers used to practice ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Then they stopped. Only Israel continued.

            I didn’t say that Jewish lawyers and bankers are simply better at it. I said – in comments on http://www.deliberation.info/a-review-of-the-jewish-revolutionary-spirit-by-e-michael-jones – that I can see how Jewish ethnic interests are expressed by many left-wing academics and Hollywood directors, but I can’t see it in the case of Jewish lawyers and bankers – and you still haven’t made any attempt to test your hypothesis about the significance of the latter.

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 9:18 pm #

            “The major European powers used to practice ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Then they stopped”.

            Instead they developed neocolonialism, where they continued to extract the resources in a manner which was advantageous to them and disadvantageous to the people whose land it was on, and to ensure the resources kept flowing, they armed barbarous regimes to do the dirty work for them.

            “Only Israel continued.”

            Iraq and Afghanistan ring any bells here?

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

            Jay: “I didn’t say that Jewish lawyers and bankers are simply better at it.”

            These are the quotes from your posts from which I understood that’s what you were implying:

            June 11, 2:34
            With lawyers? How are they any different, except maybe better? And bankers, to return to the original question… how do they ‘bank’ differently from gentiles?

            [A day later you answered your own question--see below.
            When you compare two items and say the one that "lost" must have not been very good at it, logic tells me you are saying the other was better.]

            June 12, 8:57
            the gentile capitalists of Marx and Engels’ day were not at all nice… If they chose ‘investment’ over ‘speculation’, either it was because it was more profitable, or they were not very good at it.

          • Jay Knott June 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

            Ariadna – I facetiously commented that Jewish lawyers are ‘maybe better’. I asked you to explain why you think Jewish bankers are different from gentile ones. I said ‘IF’ Victorian gentile capitalists chose ‘investment’ over ‘speculation’, then they were inferior, that’s all. I mean this is the implication of your distinction between investment and speculation, from a capitalist viewpoint, not that your premises are valid.

            If I ‘answered my own question’, well, that’s more than you did. What’s different about Jewish bankers? Apparently, you can’t answer, and neither can anyone else, so I suspect the answer is ‘nothing’.

          • Jay Knott June 14, 2012 at 9:42 pm #

            Roy – I’m surprised to see a retro leftist analysis from you.

            “Iraq and Afghanistan ring any bells here?”. No. What is ‘neocolonialism’? ‘Extracting resources’ in an ‘advantageous’ manner? Displacing people? Exploiting wage labour? That’s capitalism. Nothing ‘neo’ about it. If that was why the US occupied Iraq and Afghanistan, it would be capitalism.

            Leninist jargon obscures the issue twice – first, by claiming that ‘colonialism’ is some especially immoral form of capitalism, secondly, by obscuring the way the politics of ‘colonialist’ countries actually work. (And the phrase ‘neocolonialism’ makes it a hat trick).

            What needs explaining about US foreign policy is why it DOESN’T follow rational capitalist aims.

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 11:17 pm #

            “Iraq and Afghanistan ring any bells here?”. No.

            They didn’t get occupied? There were no deaths? They all lived together in racial harmony?

            “What is ‘neocolonialism’?‘Extracting resources’ in an ‘advantageous’ manner? Displacing people? Exploiting wage labour? That’s capitalism. Nothing ‘neo’ about it. If that was why the US occupied Iraq and Afghanistan, it would be capitalism.”

            Pre-colonialism – the colonised states weren’t capitalist. Colonialism dragged them into the capitalist economy. However, maintaining the colonies was expensive and became increasingly difficult as resistance mounted. Neo-colonialism proved a more effective way of doing it. Iraq and Afganistan were recolononised in order to recreate the conditions for neo-colonialism.

            “What needs explaining about US foreign policy is why it DOESN’T follow rational capitalist aims.”

            On the whole I’d say it does. Its the slight deviations that need explaining.

          • Jay Knott June 15, 2012 at 8:40 am #

            Roy @ June 14, 11:17 pm – of course I know that Afghanistan and Iraq were occupied with terrible consequences. Our dispute is whether the term ‘neocolonialism’ is a useful way of describing it.

            When the British Empire occupied Iraq in 1918, it was openly white supremacist, plus it could make a profit. Soldiers were cheap.

            When the USA occupied Iraq in 2003, it was not white supremacist (otherwise it would be just as hostile to Israel). It could not make a profit. Soldiers are expensive. It occupied it because the Jewish lobby took advantage of 9/11 and dumb goys to carry out its program for the Middle East.

            And it occupied Afghanistan because it was the primary home of al-Qaeda, the Islamic terrorist group which carried out the September 11th attacks.

          • Roy Bard June 15, 2012 at 10:04 am #

            “of course I know that Afghanistan and Iraq were occupied with terrible consequences. Our dispute is whether the term ‘neocolonialism’ is a useful way of describing it.”

            I was suggesting that it was direct colonialism, with a view to regime change in order to return to neocolonialism. ie that your claim that “Only Israel continued” was incorrect – the US/UK were prepared to resort to physical and direct occupation in order to regain control.

            “When the USA occupied Iraq in 2003, it was not white supremacist (otherwise it would be just as hostile to Israel).”

            I don’t follow your logic here:

            Meanwhile on Sunday, Israeli daily Maariv published an interview with Interior Minister Eli Yishai, in which he stated that most of the “Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man.

            I think the America axis has the same view as Yishai ie that Israel is part and parcel of white supremacism.

            “It could not make a profit. Soldiers are expensive. It occupied it because the Jewish lobby took advantage of 9/11 and dumb goys to carry out its program for the Middle East.”

            As well as troops, it was flooded out with mercenaries. Capitalism is constantly evolving and in its latest form the concern appears to be the creation of more wealth for the super-rich – I don’t think they did badly out of it – the arms trade is booming….

            “And it occupied Afghanistan because it was the primary home of al-Qaeda, the Islamic terrorist group which carried out the September 11th attacks.”

            Yes, the regime that it had installed was no longer doing its job, so they sought to replace it. Without much success it would seem.

          • Jay Knott June 15, 2012 at 10:54 am #

            Roy – why would the UK and the US suddenly ‘revert to direct control’ after decades of decolonization? Have they gone all ‘colonialist’ again?

            ‘More wealth for the super-rich… the arms trade is booming’ doesn’t test your hypothesis. Someone will do well out of any policy, or its opposite.

            OK, ‘neocolonialism’ is a reasonable word to describe the relationship between some of the old imperial powers and their ex-colonies. Eg. the bosses of Niger have good relations with France. The disastrous campaigns of the US and UK in Iraq and Afghanistan are quite different.

            As for ‘white supremacists’, some of them (e.g. that Norwegian nut) think Israel is ‘white’, and some of them, like David Duke, are, if anything, MORE hostile to Israel than to other Middle East countries. I believe the latter are more logical. I trust I will not be misunderstood.

          • Roy Bard June 15, 2012 at 11:07 am #

            “why would the UK and the US suddenly ‘revert to direct control’ after decades of decolonization? Have they gone all ‘colonialist’ again?”

            They never stopped being colonialists – neocolonialism doesn’t suggest they did, just that they found new ways to do it –

            Neocolonialism is the practice of using capitalism, globalization, and cultural forces to control a country (usually former European colonies in Africa or Asia) in lieu of direct military or political control. Such control can be economic, cultural, or linguistic; by promoting one’s own culture, language or media in the colony, corporations embedded in that culture can then make greater headway in opening the markets in those countries.

            wikipedia

            I can’t see why you struggle to see that the adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan were aimed at regaining control.

          • Roy Bard June 15, 2012 at 11:15 am #

            “As for ‘white supremacists’ ”

            You keep shifting things

            You used the term thus:

            “When the British Empire occupied Iraq in 1918, it was openly white supremacist”

            ie referring to the supremacism of the occupier and now you use it to refer to Duke and Brevers and act confused….

            My reply was on the basis that the same racist supremacist impulse that drove the invasion of Iraq in 1918 is still part and parcel of the ideology of the Western powers – who now regard Israel as part of the club – (Israel did have a massive influx of European settlers in the 40s no?)

          • Jay Knott June 15, 2012 at 3:25 pm #

            Roy at 10:04 am, 11:07 am and 11:15 am:

            Predictably, the crypto-Zionists made much of that quote from Maariv ‘showing’ Israel is white supremacist: http://tinyurl.com/bn55g99

            Which doesn’t mean you’re wrong, of course… ;). Why you’re wrong, is that the Western countries have changed immensely since WWII. ‘The America axis’ – what’s that? In 1918, the British Empire was openly, unashamedly racist. The last relic of this was dismantled in 1994 in SA. I doubt if there have ever been societies less racist than modern Britain and the USA. We flagellate ourselves with anti-racist guilt daily. The only racism allowed is Jewish racism. This is NOT white supremacy.

            The reason I ‘struggle to see that the adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan were aimed at regaining control’ is that it’s too vague. Why change from backing Saddam Hussein to overthrowing him? What’s the point in ‘controlling’ Afghanistan rather than simply negotiating with the Taliban, as the Pakistani elite sensibly did? Are there plans to ‘regain control’ over other countries, like India, Zimbabwe and Palestine? Why not?

            What changed? 9/11. And Jewish supremacists took advantage of it. I struggle to see how you can adapt traditional leftism to oppose it.

      • searching June 14, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

        cosmo, talking to the psychoptaths of your kind , who thrive on blood, deception, lies, manipulation, corruption, torture etc is basically useless.
        Reason, evidence, fact, truth , mercy don’t work with them. i feel pity on you becasue you defend something that only hell would defend.
        here for you to watch what your hellish government did to innocent civilians in Gaza.
        Abd look at the reactions of all American and Europena leaders. WE are in the mercy of the people from hell. What kind of mercy one can obtain from THEM??
        Cosmo, I am tired of your idiotic, lying, propagadna statements. There is NO JUSTIFICATION for what Israeli is doing to Palestinians. No to mention what Jewish Power Elite is doing to the world.
        http://stopsyjonizmowi.wordpress.com/zydowski-faszyzm/wojciech-mann-23-dni-meki/

        • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm #

          How many children were murdered in Syria so far? Why do you deffend those people from hell ? This thread is about Syria and how the Russian government object to ending the massacres of children by Assad, and instead of saying the West should do something to end the massacres you show you are on the hellish side.

          • searching June 14, 2012 at 4:45 pm #

            children were murdered in Syria thanks to your People hiring mercenries aka trained psychopaths, who will do anything for $$$$.
            The jewish Powr elite is stirring trouble in that region becasue of their demonic goals.
            Unfortunately I think they they will reach its aim and all the hell will break loose very soon ,and then God have mercy on us all.
            But ..where is God in all of it??
            Why does He not help us??
            well, well, we kicked him out a long while ago from our schools, hospitals, companies, houses, hearts etc, so now let’s deal with the reality that we created without Him.
            It looks like this reality scares us a bit.

          • Cosmo June 14, 2012 at 6:05 pm #

            And what do you base that other than the fact anything wrong in the world or your personal life must be the Zionists fault? If you are going to go with hired mercenries theory at least claim it is Saudi Arabia trying to get the Sunnis in control of Syria. I don’t think most people in Israel believe the rebels government would be better for Israel than current Assad government.

          • Roy Bard June 14, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

            “This thread is about Syria and how the Russian government object to ending the massacres of children by Assad”

            Ho hum – and your evidence that Assad killed kids is what exactly? The mainstream media is no more trustworthy than the IDF when it comes to reporting on conflict.

            and even if he did – surely you don’t have a problem with it? There is an armed uprising taking place and, after all, as you yourself said:

            when there is such an asymmetrical war taking places on the weaker sides home. The weaker side will suffer way more civilian casualties. It could be the Mother Teresa high tec saints army against the Child child molestating Hitler’s guerrilla militia.

            Are we now supposed to believe that your heart is a stone when it comes to Palestinian kids but bleeds for Syrian kids ?

            Try and be consistent in your own critique before you start telling others what they should be thinking and saying….

          • searching June 14, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

            “Are we now supposed to believe that your heart is a stone when it comes to Palestinian kids but bleeds for Syrian kids ?”
            ..
            He does not care neither for children from Gaza nor Children from Syria.
            He PRETENDS like he cares for childern from Syria becasue that’s what JewishPower tries to present to the world throgh the MSMedia they own. In reality, they treat them like the children of the cattle, insects.
            Not worth too much.
            JP Elite doesn’t give a damn about children in Gaza, Libya, Iraq, Syria , Aphganistan etc.
            They just want to do the most possible damage/destruction in those places, secure their own power ,and move to their next goal.
            Do they worry right now about what is going on in Libya or Iraq??

  3. searching June 14, 2012 at 12:02 am #

    They are eager to get some progress in building Jewish Global . Luciferian New World Order. Attacking Syria , then Iran is needed for that plan to succeed.
    I guess it was predicted to happen in 2012??

  4. Jonathon Blakeley June 14, 2012 at 12:42 am #

    Do you know I had a bet you would say that…. :-)

    But seriously folks it aint good. They have multiple options to accelerate the Syria collapse and Russia are not going to take it.

    So we are likely to see some kind of Russian response soon, that is likely why Putin was not at the last G8 meeting. Russia knows it is going to war with NATO.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 12:50 am #

      The Russian have sent navy there already. They are still smarting also from being fooled over Libya.
      Holding our breath for the next move. Scary stuff.

      • Jonathon Blakeley June 14, 2012 at 1:03 am #

        I hope Russia gives NATO/ISRAEL the equivalent militarily of a bloody nose. We are so entrapped in thei ZioEmpire here in the west our best hope is Russia/China take them on and redress the balance.

        fingers crossed.

      • Deadbeat June 14, 2012 at 1:15 am #

        The Russians got “fooled” because Medevev misread Obama. Putin on the other hand won’t be fooled. That is why Putin back in 2008 sent troops to Ossetia to liberate it from Saakashvili’s invasion.

        • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 1:22 am #

          Putin is not fooled also because Medvedev was already fooled–bitten once.
          My impression of Putin is that he is very intelligent. My hope as well.
          A chess player, thinking several moves in advance. A judo practitioner, able to use the opponent momentum to throw him off.
          Obama is a basketball player (not a cheap racial slur, the truth). Obama “dunks.” Mostly drones, not balls.
          I am rooting for Russia. Hope China helps out too. It’s time for USrael to get, as Jon says, a bloody nose, and scurry back, tail between its legs.

          • pgg804 June 14, 2012 at 4:08 am #

            I hope you are all right. I would love it if the Russians humiliated the west, but I don’t know if they have that ability.

          • pgg804 June 14, 2012 at 4:16 am #

            Maybe if China helps.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 4:32 am #

            Or if USrael or JUK make a terrible blunder and get caught with their undies down– a minor example has been the BBC using a fake photo–this needs to be bigger, but we are capable of bigger.

          • Jonathon Blakeley June 14, 2012 at 10:31 pm #

            This i think is the likely result, If China and Russia unite against Zionism, the Germans may also join this new alliance to form a new gold backed currency alternative to the dollar.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 10:35 pm #

            NIce but I rather see Angela Merkel, hams trembling with fear, running to call Bibi or whoever is charge at the time, asking if Israel wishes to form a new currency the Shekel Mark, backed by the German economy.

  5. who_me June 14, 2012 at 12:52 am #

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/rusy-j12.shtml

    Russia prepares army for Syrian deployment

    wsws is not a very reliable site, so make of this what you will.

  6. who_me June 14, 2012 at 2:26 am #

    i’m hoping the zionazis blink.

  7. who_me June 14, 2012 at 2:40 am #

    france replacedf one zionazi parasite with another:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/13/us-syria-idUSBRE85B0DZ20120613

    “France will propose giving the United Nations the power to enforce Kofi Annan’s Syrian peace plan, Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Wednesday, adding that a no-fly zone was an option under consideration to stem what was now a civil war.”

    just like when the israelis echanged their american bush quisling for an obama one. the face changed, the war crimes for israel continue as before.

  8. searching June 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

    an interesting article by Thierry Meyssan about the conflict.
    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/272786

  9. who_me June 14, 2012 at 7:07 pm #

    this is an official russian position i would guess.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_06_14/78149008/

    polite, but firm.

  10. who_me June 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

    http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20120614/174032390.html

    Why are Russia’s Protest Leaders Silent on Syria?

    • who_me June 14, 2012 at 8:20 pm #

      from this article one can see the orange revolution mk. 2 folks realise if they come out supporting the zionazis on syria, their game would be up in russia, as few would buy their “independent” status any more. not many buy it now, as it is.

  11. Ariadna Theokopoulos June 14, 2012 at 10:26 pm #

    Jay, June 14, 9:21 PM
    “I facetiously commented that Jewish lawyers are ‘maybe better’.”

    To avoid being facetious post factum let’s resolve from now on to use emoticons more liberally.

    “What’s different about Jewish bankers? Apparently, you can’t answer, and neither can anyone else, so I suspect the answer is ‘nothing’. I don’t think you “suspect”–I think you are convinced this is another “conspiracy theory” just like 9/11 (and you don’t mean the official one) but I’ll try again.

    Da cappo:
    1. The concerted, and eventually successful, efforts of European Jewish bankers and their American Jewish counterparts to wrestle control of the Congress’ money printing prerogative: the creation of the Fed.
    You can say “Prove the gentile bankers would not have done the same, perhaps later because they are slower and dimmer, but eventually :-)
    I cannot prove that without a Time machine in which I could go back and tinker with events to setup the experiment.
    The fact remains that it was the Jewish bankers who did it.

    2. Gentile bankers had always been national pests. Jewish banking is a locust cloud that travels great distances, razes the field and moves on, everywhere.
    The distinction is important. Greedy as the gentile bankers may have been they were still vested, dependent on and interrelated with the national economy, whose ups and downs lifted and lowered their boats too. They were also visible, a small detail useful in accountability.
    International jewish bankers are SUPRASTATAL, as good as invisible to the masses until recently, not vested in and unaffected by the national economies they destroy–as much carrion to feed on.
    Look what they did to Yeltsyn’s Russia, most of Europe and South America and last but not last to the US.

    it is not an inescapable Jewish condition though… :-)
    there have been heroes swimming against the strong tide like E Spitzer who tried to stave off the locust cloud at least in their own little backyard –his was the state of NY where he was Atty Gral and then Governor.
    Need I remind you what he did trying forbid the predatory banking practices in NY state and what they did to silence and squash him?
    If you watched TV at the time the parade of vilifiers was chock full of Jews circling wagons against him.

    There are trillions of dollars worth of difference about Jewish bankers…. :-)

    • Jay Knott June 15, 2012 at 11:15 am #

      Ariadna @ 10:26 pm: Hmm. I think there might be something in your hypothesis. I just can’t think of how to test it scientifically. With the example of Jewish left-wing academics, it has been shown fairly convincingly by Kevin MacDonald (disclaimer: which does not mean I agree with his white identity politics) that the most economical explanation of their socialist distortions is ethnic interest. With Hollywood and TV, I could demonstrate it myself, but I’d have to watch too much crap.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos June 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm #

        I am currently reading Separation and Its Discontents and I find him impressive.

  12. who_me June 15, 2012 at 1:35 am #

    http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/06/us-sponsored-gangs-committed-houla-massacre

    “Press TV: In her press conference on Monday the US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Newman predicted that there would be at least three more new massacres in Syria like the one in Houla; she new the specific locations of these would-be massacres at the same time.”

    she apparently can see into the future.

  13. who_me June 15, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31433

    “A Turkish lawmaker has raised questions about a possible deal between the Turkish and Qatari governments on a military operation against Syria, Press TV reports.”

  14. searching June 15, 2012 at 2:00 am #

    “…What do make of these comments?

    Chossudovsky: Well I’m not surprised because the evidence increasingly points to the involvement of US intelligence and the US military in supporting directly the death squads.

    Namely… the atrocities that were committed in Houla were committed, and this is confirmed by many independent reports, were committed by the Free Syrian Army -the Self-proclaimed Free Syrian Army, which IS supported by the US and the Western military alliance.

    So if she made that statement, well, perhaps she had some advanced indication of the covert operations in support of these death squads.

    We’re dealing with a DIABOLICAL agenda whereby the US, supporting terrorist entities, which have been active in Syria right from day one in Daraa in March of last year; they support these terrorist entities, which are involved in acts of killing civilians and then they blame the killings on the enemy, namely on the Syrian government.”

  15. who_me June 16, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_06_16/78293773/

    Russian naval ships may set out for Syria

  16. searching June 16, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    here is an intersting comment,
    ” It is high time to start reporting on the machinations that are going on in Syria. I have been following MoA and am appalled that no retraction or at least skepticism has been expressed in the MSM regarding the Houla massacre, now apparently connected to the rebels. Yet, Houla was the reason western countries pulled out their ambassadors.

    Some funny business about the the massacre that happened last Friday near Homs too (not sure about the town’s name just now) which now appears rather suspicious. A UN mission got there eventually (not before coming under fire and delayed by sources unknown) but found no bodies. These were supposedly loaded on trucks and driven away. That speaks again of a well prepared and co-ordinated action, and we must again ask – Cui bene?

    What is also interesting is that the noise level about bombing Iran has died down considerably even as the noise and chatter about Syria has increased. Chances are the two are connected: a decision must have been made to try and topple, or at least weaken, Syria first, then go after Iran next. The advantage of first going after Syria is that this will help sever a route for arming Hezbollah and may weaken Lebanon as well.

    The other obvious aspect is the near-scrupulous absence of saber rattling from Israel with regard to Syria. Yes, they bring attention to Assad’s ‘atrociities” but avoid saying much of anything about the so-called “rebels’ (now also known as “activists”). The claim is always made – seemingly in complete coordination across the board – that israel has reservations about who might follow Assad, cf. the devil you know, etc. Truth is, Israel has not the slightest worry about who may or may not follow Assad, as long as the latter is gone. Chaos in Syria is as good as any. They must be pretty sure they can handle any potential threat from islamist (salafist) terrorists. Which can only mean that they have assurances from the salafist “handlers” (Saudi Arabia, probably) that they are able to “control” whatever radicals they unleash. What I am saying is that I see Israel’s finger-prints all over the Syria campaign and even more so, I see evidence of trying to hide those finger-prints with mambo-jumbo and some hiding behind the UN skirts. Israel must have been also assured that the UN is “under control” and, most importantly, they must have reached some understanding with Saudi Arabia – somewhere under the surface, probably mediated by the US.

    Finally, and most significantly, it is amazing how well coordinated the MSM is after every incident in Syria. It’s like someone(s) have their talking points and press releases all ready to hand out within minutes of anything reported. That’s how it was in the case of Houla. The Guardia, for example wasted no time in reporting the claim from “activists” and the BBC was all too quick to upload that photo (again supplied by an “activist”) of body bags that the sharp-eyed original photographer immediately identified as his photo from Iraq, circa 2003. This indicates to me at least, that BBC (like all other MCM outlets) had their press releases handy and were all too glad to attach a photo to it, with no verification.

    Luckily for us all, so far, Russia and China are steadfast. And for good reason too – they know perfectly well – at least as well as we all do – what this is all about. They also realize that a neocon “success” in Syria means they are next.”

    • Roy Bard June 16, 2012 at 3:45 pm #

      “Finally, and most significantly, it is amazing how well coordinated the MSM is after every incident in Syria.”

      Yeah Media Lens are quite interesting in showing how coy the media are being when it comes to acknowledging that Houla wasn’t nearly as clear as they initially said it was.

  17. searching June 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    Propaganda War: Houla Massacre Committed by US-NATO Sponsored “Free Syrian Army”. But They Accuse Syrian Government.

    SYRIA: Killing Innocent Civilians as part of a US Covert Op. Mobilizing Public Support for a R2P War against Syria.

    “Humanitarian War Criminals” in High Office: Was the Houla Massacre Ordered by the Western Military Alliance?

  18. who_me June 17, 2012 at 1:12 am #

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31458

    “Pentagon finalizes “Contingency Plans” for Syria Invasion”

    i’m guessing the only thing holding the zionazis back from letting loose their american quisling is the coming american election. i’m doubtful most americans can be fooled into another war without a substantial false flag cover to hype up their stupidity again. failing such a false flag op, open war against syria would probably make it difficult for the jewish zionists/capitalist fascists to falsefy yet another election in the usa.

    but maybe not, the depths of american gullibility and stupidity are infinite.

  19. who_me June 18, 2012 at 11:44 pm #

    rumours confirmed.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_06_18/78477111/

    Russian Navy squadron to sail to Syrian port

  20. who_me June 18, 2012 at 11:59 pm #

    views of a lebanese general.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/Syria-A-Russian-messenger-missile

    Syria: A Russian messenger missile

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