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Pussy Riot – Secret History

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Universally admired, Pussy Riot (or PR for short) have been promoted as superstars. But what are they? A rock or punk group they are not.  A British journalist marvelled: they produce no music, no song, no painting, nada, rien, nothing. How can they be described as “artists”? This was a severe test for their supporters, but they passed it with flying honours: that famous lover-of-art, the US State Department, paid for their first ever single being produced by The Guardian out of some images and sounds.

We are able to stomach obscenity and blasphemy; I am a great admirer of Notre Dame de Fleurs by Jean Genet, who combined both. However, the PR never wrote, composed or painted anything of value at all. Chris Randolph defended them in Counterpunch by comparing them with “the controversial Yegor Letov”. What a misleading comparison! Letov wrote poetry, full of obscenity but it still was poetry, while the PR have nothing but Public Relations.

Hell-bent on publicity, but artistically challenged, three young women from Russia decided – well, it sounds like a limerick. They stole a frozen chicken from a supermarket and used it as dildo; they filmed the act, called it “art” and placed it on the web. (It is still there) Their other artistic achievements were an orgy in a museum and a crude presentation of an erect prick.

Even in these dubious pieces of art their role was that of technical staff: the glory went to a Russian-Israeli artist Plucer-Sarno of Mevasseret Zion, who claimed the idea, design and copyright for himself and collected a major Russian prize. The future PR members got nothing and were described by Plucer as “ambitious provincials on the make”, or worse.

Lately they have tried to ride on a bandwagon of political struggle. That was another flop. They poured a flood of obscene words on Putin – in Red Square, in subway (underground) stations – with zero effect. They weren’t arrested, they weren’t fined, just chased away as a nuisance. And they did not attract the attention of people. It is important to remember that Putin is an avowed enemy of Russian oligarchs, owners of the major bulk of Russian media and providers of the Moscow literati, so they print on a daily basis so much anti-Putin invective, that it’s lost its shock value. You can’t invent a new diatribe against Putin – it has been already said and published. And Putin practically never interferes with the freedom of the press.

My foreign journalist friends are usually amazed by the unanimity and ferocity of the anti-Putin campaign in Russian media. It can be compared with the attacks on G W Bush in the liberal papers in the US, but in the US, there are many conservative papers that supported Bush. Putin has practically no support in the mainstream media, all of it owned by media barons. A valuable exception is TV, but it is expressly apolitical and provides mainly low-brow entertainment, also presented by anti-Putin activists like Mlle Xenia Sobtchak. So PR failed profoundly to wake up the beast.

Eventually the young viragos were mobilised for an attack on the Church. By that time they were willing to do anything for their bit of publicity. And the anti-Church campaign started a few months ago, quite suddenly as if by command. The Russian Church had 20 years of peace, recovering after the Communist period, and it was surprised by ferocity of the attack.

Though this subject calls for longer exposition, let us be brief. After the collapse of the USSR, the Church remained the only important spiritual pro-solidarity force in Russian life. The Yeltsin and Putin administrations were as materialist as the communists; they preached and practiced social Darwinism of neo-Liberal kind. The Church offered something beside the elusive riches on earth. Russians who lost the glue of solidarity previously provided by Communists eagerly flocked to the alternative provided by the Church.

The government and the oligarchs treated the Church well, as the Church had a strong anti-Communist tendency, and the haves were still afraid of the Reds leading the have-nots. The Church flourished, many beautiful cathedrals were rebuilt, many monasteries came back after decades of decay. The newly empowered church became a cohesive force in Russia.

As it became strong, the Church began to speak for the poor and dispossessed; the reformed Communists led by the Church-going Gennadi Zuganov, discovered a way to speak to the believers. A well-known economist and thinker, Michael Khazin, predicted that the future belongs to a new paradigm of Red Christianity, something along the lines of Roger Garaudy’s early thought. The Red Christian project is a threat to the elites and a hope for the world, he wrote. Besides, the Russian church took a very Russian and anti-globalist position.

This probably hastened the attack, but it was just a question of time when the global anti-Christian forces would step forward and attack the Russian Church like they attacked the Western Church. As Russia entered the WTO and adopted Western mores, it had to adopt secularization. And indeed the Russian Church was attacked by forces that do not want Russia to be cohesive: the oligarchs, big business, the media lords, the pro-Western intelligentsia of Moscow, and Western interests which naturally prefer Russia divided against itself.

This offensive against the Church began with some minor issues: the media was all agog about Patriarch’s expensive watch, a present from the then President Medvedev. Anti-religious fervour was high among liberal opposition that demonstrated against Putin before the elections and needed a new horse to flog. A leading anti-Putin activist Viktor Shenderovich said he would understand if the Russian Orthodox priests were slain like they were in 1920s. Yet another visible figure among the liberal protesters, Igor Eidman, exclaimed,“exterminate the vermin”- the Russian Church – in the rudest biological terms.

The alleged organiser of the PR, Marat Gelman, a Russian Jewish art collector, has been connected with previous anti-Christian art actions which involved icon-smashing, imitation churches of enemas. His – and PR’s problem was that it was difficult to provoke reaction of the Church. PR made two attempts to provoke public indignation in the second cathedral of Moscow, the older Elochovsky Cathedral; both times they were expelled but not arrested. The third time, they tried harder; they went to St Savior Cathedral that was demolished by Lazar Kaganovich in 1930s and rebuilt in 1990s; they added more blasphemy of the most obscene kind, and still they were allowed to leave in peace. Police tried their best to avoid arresting the viragos, but they had no choice after PR uploaded a video of their appearance in the cathedrals with an obscene soundtrack.

During the trial, the defence and the accused did their worst to antagonize the judge by threatening her with the wrath of the United States (sic!) and by defiantly voicing anti-Christian hate speeches. The judge had no choice but to find the accused guilty of hate crime (hooliganism with religious hate as the motive). The prosecution did not charge the accused with a more serious hate crime “with intent to cause religious strife”, though it could probably be made to stick. (It would call for a stiffer sentence; swastika-drawers charged with intent to cause strife receive five years of jail).

Two years’ sentence is quite in line with prevailing European practice. For much milder anti-Jewish hate talk, European countries customarily sentence offenders to two-to-five years of prison for the first offence. The Russians applied hate crime laws to offenders against Christian faith, and this is probably a Russian novelty. The Russians proved that they care for Christ as much as the French care for Auschwitz, and this shocked the Europeans who apparently thought ‘hate laws’ may be applied only to protect Jews and gays. The Western governments call for more freedom for the anti-Christian Russians, while denying it for holocaust revisionists in their midst.

The anti-Putin opposition flocked to support PR. A radical charismatic opposition leader, the poet Eduard Limonov wrote that the opposition made a mistake supporting PR, as they antagonise the masses; the chasm between the masses and the opposition grows. But his voice was crying in the wilderness, and the rest of the opposition happily embraced the PR cause, trying to turn it into a weapon against Putin. The Western media and governments also used it to attack Putin. A Guardian editorial called on Putin to resign. Putin called for clemency for PR, and the government was embarrassed by the affair. But they were left with no choice: the invisible organisers behind PR wanted to have the viragos in jail, and so they did.

Commercially, they hit jackpot. With support of Madonna and the State Department, they are likely to leave jail ready for a world tour and photo ops at the White House. They registered their name as a trade mark and began to issue franchises. And their competitors, the Femen group (whose art is showing off their boobs in unusual places) tried to beat PR by chopping down a large wooden cross installed in memory of Stalin’s victims. Now the sky is the limit.

In August, vacation season, when there is not much hard news and newspaper readers are at the seashore or countryside, the PR trial provided much needed entertainment for man and beast. Hopefully it will drop from the agenda with the end of the silly season, but do not bet on it.

Israel Shamir reports from Moscow, his email is adam@israelshamir.net

 

 

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31 Responses to Pussy Riot – Secret History

  1. Jonathon Blakeley September 9, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

    PussyRiot on the BBC

    • David Holden September 10, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

      as usual ChunkyMark’s righteous indignation is spot on:

      if you work for the BBC you should be ashamed of yourself.

      and not just the BBC!

  2. botafogo September 10, 2012 at 12:08 pm #

    where is the “Secret History”?

  3. David Holden September 10, 2012 at 5:30 pm #

    Procopius: Secret History – Internet History Sourcebooks Project

    http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/procop-anec.html

    Hypertext of the 1927 translation by Richard Atwater, including bibliography and table of contents.

  4. David Holden September 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm #

    a taster, from the introduction to the above-mentioned work:

    Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s] is the most important source for information about the reign of the emperor Justinian [born 482/3, ruled. 527-565] and his wife Theodora [d. 547/8]. From 527 to 531 Procopius was a counsel the great general of the time, Belisarius [505-565]. He was on Belisarius’s first Persian campaign [527-531], and later took part in an expedition against the Vandals [533-534]. He was in Italy on the Gothic campaign until 540, after which he lived in Constantinople, since he describes the great plague of 542 in the capital. His life after that is largely unknown, although he was given the title illustris in 560 and in may have been prefect of Constantinople in 562-3. He wrote a number of official histories, including On the Wars in eight books (Polemon or De bellis), published in 552, with an addition in 554, and On the Buildings in six books (Peri Ktismaton or De aedificiis], published 561. He also left a “Secret History” (Anecdota, i.e. “unpublished things”, not “anecdotes”), probably written c. 550 and published after his death, which was a massive attack on the character of Justinian and his wife Theodora. Parts are so vitriolic, not to say pornographic (esp. Chapter 9), that for some time translations from Greek were only available into Latin (Gibbon – in Ch. 40 of Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire wrote about Theodora that “her arts must be veiled in the obscurity of a learned language “, and then went on to quote the passage in Greek with Latin comments!)

    The Secret History claims to provide explanations and additions that the author could not insert into his work on the Wars for fear of retribution from Justinian and Theodora. Since both before and afterward, Procopius wrote approvingly of the emperor, it was suggested in the past that he was not the author of the work, but it is now generally accepted that Procopius wrote it. Analysis of text, which show no contradictions in point of fact between the Secret History and the other works, as well a linguistic and grammatical analysis makes this a conclusive opinion.

  5. Blake September 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm #

    Attention seeking nobodies who should have “performed” their stunt in a SIN-agogue.

    • Cosmo September 11, 2012 at 11:33 am #

      I agree with the article. You got to hate these flotilla type, march through the border type publicity stunts. Their only objective is to cause a rise from other so that they could complain about it.

      • Roy Bard September 11, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

        Hmm – “their only objective”….. of course you’re wrong on this. Oh yes, and when the bully says “They made me do it” that’s bullshit as well…..

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

        “Flotilla types”….
        I suspect you are saying this about the pussies
        • either because you are a pussy yourself, trying to get a “rise” out of normal people with the comparison
        • or because you really believe it, which is highly probable in view of the way you and your cowardly IOF pack mates are careful whom to attack: unarmed people or–your preference–children.

        http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=images&fr=yfp-t-701-s&va=palestinian+children+in+israeli+jails

  6. who_me September 13, 2012 at 4:47 am #

    these israelis likely chose the name pussy riot because the initials are the same as public relation’s initials. it’s the sort of cheesy “in joke” jewish israelis, with their obvious disdain for their lesser human goy targets, will use. and speaking of cheese.

    a better name for pussy riot, more accurately descriptive of their role, would be pussy cheese. that way they could use pc as their initials, and politically correct they certainly are. in the jewish zionazi sense which created the more divisive manifestations of pc – for the same reason they are creating “art” and funding/training “artists” who work to divide people on religion. These jews use religious hate to divide muslims and muslims (like used through the khalid quisling) and they use it to divide christians and christians, and the former against the latter, and vice versa, and everybody against everybody else that they can. the so-called secularism or atheism these zionazis promote has nothing to do with either, it’s simply a denunciation of religions other than jewish.

    notice femen, another “cheesy” (there are good reasons their nude protests are limited to topless ;) ) israeli front are now advertising a bounty (yes money) for orthodox crosses cut down. they will pay people to commit a crime and they advertise it openly. it’s all over the media, right? ;) imagine some anti-jewish group advertised a bounty for damaging synagogues, the outrage (in the jewish run mmedia – is there any other media nowdays?).

  7. who_me September 13, 2012 at 6:59 am #

    this is a pretty good article on the events surrounding this israeli propaganda campaign, but shamir is a bit fuzzy on the past background, and though he mentions israeli involvement, he doesn’t follow through on this aspect with regard to pussy riot or the jewish attacks on other religions, which pussy riot, and now femen, is a part of.

    interesting that this article doesn’t appear to be at counterpunch as shamir articles usually are featured there. instead i found some wishy-washy crap of the sort jewish phony leftists and liberals specialise in (by binoy kamp-something)
    that uses subterfuge to legitimise the zionazi propaganda.

  8. who_me September 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

    looks like femen has decided to end the pretense of being ukrainian:

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_09_17/FEMEN-girls-go-France/

    “Ukraine’s FEMEN feminist protesters are now officially based in Paris. The group’s headquarters were registered in France and will be opened on September 18. The girls plan to mark the event with a topless parade across the Muslim district of the city.”

    and the first of these zionist jews – insult and try to agitate french muslim people. their topless march through a muslim neighbourhood is the same sort of provocation of having a nazi march through a jewish neighbourhood or having a beef bbq in a hindu neighbourhood.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

      “having a nazi march through a jewish neighbourhood ”

      The one I know of–a few decades ago in Skokie, then a jewish suburb of Chicago, turned out to be organized by jews pretending to be nazis ( Adam Gadhan in a previous incarnation). It was a circus with crying jews interviewed on TV (“nightmares re-lived”), the ACLU insisting it must be held because they–another jew explaining–are all for freedom of speech…. it was phony in all details. Time was the essence though as far as holding the march in Skokie because the equality and democracy-loving jews were beginning to move out of Skokie en masse when the middle class “schwartze” were moving in so it was not possible to call it a jewish neighborhood much longer.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm #

        What I meant to say, who_me, in case it was not clear in the above, is that it was not just “is the same sort of provocation”–it is the very same thing, always organized by the same group. Only the costumes differ.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 17, 2012 at 11:16 pm #

        In the article below Dr. William Pierce writes about the Jewish owned History Channel’s documentary on Frank Collin and his “Nazi” march.

        From the Lies and the History Channel by Dr. William L. Pierce. <

        …The deliberate deceit continues as the program moves into the period after Rockwell’s death. The [History Channel] narrator announces that Rockwell’s organization “floundered after his death, until the next Nazi leader came forward. Frank Collin emerged from Rockwell’s shadow in 1970…”

        There is no mention at all of Rockwell’s actual successor, a man named Matt Koehl.

        And there is no mention that Collin was a Jew. Not only was he a Jew, but he was a poseur and an exhibitionist, pretending to be a National Socialist leader while putting on a media sideshow which attracted to him a small group of losers and misfits who liked to wear uniforms and strut around in public.

        At the end of the Collin episode, the narrator does reveal to us that Collin was convicted and sent to prison in 1979 for sexually molesting little boys, but we are left with the impression that this smirking, prancing, child-molesting little Jew was a real National Socialist

        …And Frank Collin is not the only Jew trotted out as a “Nazi” by this program that is supposed to tell us about the history of Nazis in America. The Columbine killers, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, also are represented as “Nazis,” although they are not named directly in the program. Instead, as images flash across the screen, we hear the narrator naming a series of people involved in recent killings, and the narrator tells us, one at a time, that they are Nazis. The facts, of course, are that Dylan Klebold was a Jew, and both he and his partner were outspoken anti-racists. But the average couch potato certainly doesn’t know that, and so he falls into the trap of believing that the perpetrators of the worst school massacre in U.S. history were “Nazis.”

        • who_me September 17, 2012 at 11:22 pm #

          interesting stuff, at. confirms what i’ve long been saying, that the neo-nazis who run about the usa and europe are zionist agents provocateurs. usually when i see somebody posting nazi supporting or white supremacist material, i assume they are either jewish, or shabath goyim, playing agent provacateur roles.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 17, 2012 at 11:25 pm #

            exactly

  9. who_me September 22, 2012 at 2:15 am #

    http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/femen-topless-activist-feminist-665/

    Boob job: FEMEN activist reveals topless protesters’ $1,000 salaries

    “Each new recruit to the Ukrainian feminist movement FEMEN, famous for their topless stunts, has to show off her breasts to audition for the role, according to firsthand experience by a TV journalist who flashed in order to infiltrate the group.

    ­The woman told tsn.ua website that she had to agree to be photographed topless in order to be admitted to FEMEN and be kept abreast of their activities.

    “It’s required so that I know that you’re ready to strip down,” the woman quoted Aleksandra Shevchenko, the movement’s leader, as saying.

    Their objective there is to fight discrimination against women. They plan to tackle the issue by wearing slogans urging Muslim women to strip.

    FEMEN moved to France because it has a large Muslim Community. The movement’s leader had to relocate to Paris, fearing arrest after sawing down a cross in the center of Kiev.

    Meanwhile, it turns out that running FEMEN’s office in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, allegedly costs the movement over $2,500 monthly. On top of this, each member’s salary allegedly comes to around $1,000.

    The TV program aired on Ukraine’s 1+1 Channel that sent their journalist to investigate FEMEN’s activities reportedly made a conclusion that “the bare breasts of the feminists covers up somebody’s money and political interests.” They made further assumptions that among their sponsors could be the founder of the Kiev Post media, Jed Sunden…”

    funny how their initial protests, to garner credibility, were about stopping prostitution and here they are literally prostituting themselves by trying to provoke muslim people with bigotry based hate provocations, all for their paymaster, jewish power. in ukraine, $1000 a month is a pretty hefty salary. gotta love that jewish hypocrisy.

    i checked the ukraine media cited in this rt piece, but was unable to find anything at these sites about this. as rt is jewish, i suspect they left info out of their report or deliberately obscured jewish aspects. for example: they claimed jed sunden was german, but he is an american zionazi jew who owns kyiv post, one of the major supporters of the zionazi “orange revolution” that trashed ukraine.

    • who_me September 22, 2012 at 2:21 am #

      correction, sunden used to own kp. he’s sold it now, but he did own kp back in 2004 when it promoted the zionazi’s “orange revolution” destabilisation/regime change op.

    • Jonathon Blakeley September 22, 2012 at 8:55 am #

      good research.

  10. Roy Bard September 22, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    Persecuted Russian punks Pussy Riot will receive the LennonOno Grant For Peace in New York tomorrow. Yoko Ono will present the grant to Pyotr Verzilov – spokesman and husband of Pussy Riot member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova – their young daughter Gera and the entire legal defense team.

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pussy-riot-to-receive-lennonono-grant-for-peace-in-new-york-20120920#ixzz27BYUDvJs

    What exactly they did in the interests of peace is not made clear. Still, Kissinger, Rabin, Begin and Peres got peace prizes too, did they not?

    • Jonathon Blakeley September 22, 2012 at 9:45 am #

      When Hiliary Clinton said they would be consequences from Russia not complying to NATO’s wishes, this is one of thing I am sure she meant. I bet we are going to see many more feminist and LGBT groups getting lots of “support”.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 22, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

        and a spot of trouble in Chechnya

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

      Disgusting.
      Everything in the quote you gave is lie:
      “punk” implies they are musicians/singers–not the case
      “persecuted”–since when does arrest for cause mean persecution?
      “peace”–you already pointed out the lie there
      Yoko Ono has long ago hired herself and John’s legacy out for money

    • who_me September 22, 2012 at 7:05 pm #

      thanks for posting that article. the list of celebrities backing pussy riot seem to be the same people listed in a link about some hollywood kabbalah “church” who were associated with it. i wonder if it is something jp, or the jewish mafia, requires of goyim to join, as most of those listed as associated with that kabbalah outfit look like they were christians, not jews? whatever is behind, it’s got a bad smell to it. it’s obviously some kind of zionazi club.

      check this shit out:

      “Ono will honor the other recipients of this year’s biennial LennonOno Grant for Peace – Rachel Corrie, John Perkins, Christopher Hitchens and an unidentified peace activist – October 9th in Iceland.”

      hitchens pushed for war in afghanistan and iraq and for the genocidal clash of religions bullshit zionazis are behind. wtf kind of peace is that? this lennonono bs is nothing but a front for zionazis. ono has sure reached the bottom of the ladder. perhaps it’s living in ny all those years rotted her brain. i wonder what john lennon would think of his widow using his name to promote jp war crimes, aggression and cultural/religious hate?

      • who_me September 22, 2012 at 7:06 pm #

        the kabbalah link was posted by fool me once in the “friends” article last week.

        • fool me once... September 22, 2012 at 10:32 pm #

          @who_me
          Some celeb tittle tattle tedium.
          Of the 20 Kabbalah celebrities listed in the comments of the “Friends” article;
          17 are goy and 3 are jewish.
          One of the 3 jewish kabbahlah celebrities was Elizabeth Taylor;
          “After her conversion to Judaism, Taylor worked for Jewish causes throughout her life. In 1959, her large-scale purchase of Israeli Bonds caused Arab boycotts of her films. In 1962, she was barred from entering Egypt to complete Cleopatra; its government announced that “that Miss Taylor will not be allowed to come to Egypt because she has adopted the Jewish faith and ‘supports Israeli causes.’” In 1974, Taylor and Richard Burton considered marrying in Israel, but could not because Burton was not Jewish. Taylor helped to raise money for organizations such as the Jewish National Fund; advocated for the right of Soviet Jews to emigrate to Israel and canceled a visit to the USSR because of its condemnation of Israel due to the Six-Day War; signed a letter protesting the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 of 1975; and offered herself as a replacement hostage during the 1976 Entebbe skyjacking.” wiki
          Lucy Liu one of the goy kabbalahist’s;
          “She began a relationship with Noam Gottesman in 2010. Gottesman is a New York City-based, Israeli-American businessman and former hedge fund manager. He left Goldman Sachs in 1995 together with Pierre Lagrange and Jonathan Green to co-found, GLG Partners. He is listed on the Forbes 400 list of richest people in America as having a net worth of $1.6 billion, as of March 2012.” wiki
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/oct/05/lucy-liu-art-exhibition
          Donna Karan goy kabbalah celeb of DKNY;
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Karan
          etc etc etc etc

  11. Ariadna Theokopoulos September 22, 2012 at 5:12 pm #

    Without a crystal ball I predict an upcoming concert engagement of the pussies (or colleagues of theirs) in Hungary soon:

    According to The Focus Information Agency (FIA), Hungary has asked for the money it paid to Holocaust survivors back. While, according to FIA, the Hungarian government asserts that it wants the money back because US administrators “failed to prove how the funds were used”, The Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA) reports that The Claims Conference has accused Hungary of “depriving” Holocaust survivors of the funds by using “disgraceful” and “deceitful tactics.”

    According to JTA, the Hungarian government had asked The Claims Conference to return $12.6 to the Hungarian treasury, saying that the conference had used “discriminatory methods” and had not properly reported how the money was used. It also said it would not give any more money to the conference until “the issue was solved.”

    According to Hungarian News outlet MTI, Hungarian Ministry Government Commissioner Levente Andras Gal said that The Claims Conference “was commissioned in 2007 to pay compensation to Holocaust survivors of Hungarian descent living abroad.”
    However, Levente claimed that he had repeatedly asked the conference to give detailed accounts of its spending and it had not done so. MTI reports that the government had given the conference a 60-day deadline, which, according to the ministry, had expired.

    MTI also reports that The Hungarian government is not merely asking for the money it paid into the conference back, but that it is asking for it to be paid back with interest.

    • who_me September 22, 2012 at 7:08 pm #

      “MTI also reports that The Hungarian government is not merely asking for the money it paid into the conference back, but that it is asking for it to be paid back with interest.”

      “with interest”. i like that. :D

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos September 22, 2012 at 8:12 pm #

        Yes, the interest part is very amusing–must have smarted as bad as the audacious request itself.
        Precious in the indignant jewish response to “return the 12.6 bil” was the “but our records show we only received 8 bil”–are they bargaining already?!?
        No, more likely is “not only are we not returning a penny but you owe us 4.6 more”

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