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		<title>By: Anthem</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/on-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-6244</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Ariadna Theokopoulos

 May 23, 2012 at 11:17 pm 

I don’t think anyone around here spoke up for them; that goes without saying.
 You are right about Paul’s stance on the Constitution (now in tatters); that is a plus sign for him.

who_me: “the zionist reaction. they hate paul. right now, that can only be good”

Not enough. The zionist “sentiment factor” is not sufficient for me. I am not going to give someone–anyone, not just Paul– a pass just because the zios hate him. They might hate him/her for reasons that I don’t care about.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Theokopoulos, I I I, there are a lot of I&#039;s in your post.  If just want to complain then vote for Ed Begely or whoever, but if you sincerely want to strike a blow against the corporate/militarist state then you might consider cooperation as a better strategy.

Ron Paul is the only candidate with a chance to win who has been promoting an end to the wars, an end to the banker&#039;s control of the economy, an end to corporate welfare, and reinstating respect for the rule of law.  He has also been leading the struggle to put like minded people in Congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ariadna Theokopoulos</p>
<p> May 23, 2012 at 11:17 pm </p>
<p>I don’t think anyone around here spoke up for them; that goes without saying.<br />
 You are right about Paul’s stance on the Constitution (now in tatters); that is a plus sign for him.</p>
<p>who_me: “the zionist reaction. they hate paul. right now, that can only be good”</p>
<p>Not enough. The zionist “sentiment factor” is not sufficient for me. I am not going to give someone–anyone, not just Paul– a pass just because the zios hate him. They might hate him/her for reasons that I don’t care about.</p></blockquote>
<p>Theokopoulos, I I I, there are a lot of I&#8217;s in your post.  If just want to complain then vote for Ed Begely or whoever, but if you sincerely want to strike a blow against the corporate/militarist state then you might consider cooperation as a better strategy.</p>
<p>Ron Paul is the only candidate with a chance to win who has been promoting an end to the wars, an end to the banker&#8217;s control of the economy, an end to corporate welfare, and reinstating respect for the rule of law.  He has also been leading the struggle to put like minded people in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthem</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/on-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-6243</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand and appreciate their criticisms of the Jewish culture.  I just don&#039;t see it as unique to the Jews.  Conquest and enslavement, or even genocide, has been part of the human experience for thousands of years.  I believe it is far more effective to condemn the behavior in concept rather than generalizing it upon a social identity.  

The behavior needs to be identified, certainly, and the truth exposed, too; including accurate contrasts between ancient and modern beliefs regarding conquest.  However, I find it counter-productive to generalize a condemnation on the Jewish culture as a whole.  In fact it is more productive to promote the Jews who are engaged in pointing out the archaic beliefs in their own culture that are used to justify the Zionist conquest.  We are then in a better position to expose the attempts at world conquest by those who are not strictly Zionists or Jewish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand and appreciate their criticisms of the Jewish culture.  I just don&#8217;t see it as unique to the Jews.  Conquest and enslavement, or even genocide, has been part of the human experience for thousands of years.  I believe it is far more effective to condemn the behavior in concept rather than generalizing it upon a social identity.  </p>
<p>The behavior needs to be identified, certainly, and the truth exposed, too; including accurate contrasts between ancient and modern beliefs regarding conquest.  However, I find it counter-productive to generalize a condemnation on the Jewish culture as a whole.  In fact it is more productive to promote the Jews who are engaged in pointing out the archaic beliefs in their own culture that are used to justify the Zionist conquest.  We are then in a better position to expose the attempts at world conquest by those who are not strictly Zionists or Jewish.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthem</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/on-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-6241</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that there is not only a need for government, and I would go further to say that there is no such thing as an absence of government.  There will always be some personalities with the ability to control others through force or productive ability, or both.  They are the strong who gather followers who want to be on the side that&#039;s winning.

That said, it is the form of government that determines if a society is free, enslaved, or somewhere in between.  The development of the &lt;i&gt;rule of law&lt;/i&gt; -- which means those in the seats of government are subject to the same law as the rest of us -- was the advance that gave the people a powerful rallying point by which they could challenge unjust leadership.  It is &lt;i&gt;law&lt;/i&gt; which governs the behavior of people in a society, not personalities, and the law must be by consent rather than imposed if we are to be a free people.

Regulations imposed by bureaucracies have a poor track record because they are too far removed from the people.  The FDA approves poisons and bans raw milk, the EPA tiptoes around giant oil spills and harasses small businesses and landowners.  The SEC ignores wall street perfidies and makes it all but impossible for small business to raise capital.  The anarchist movement is just plain ignorant, but so too is the belief that regulation bureaucracies will be accountable to the people.

The answer is not more regulations and regulators, the answer is simpler laws and enabling the people to (once again) make criminal charges against lawbreakers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is not only a need for government, and I would go further to say that there is no such thing as an absence of government.  There will always be some personalities with the ability to control others through force or productive ability, or both.  They are the strong who gather followers who want to be on the side that&#8217;s winning.</p>
<p>That said, it is the form of government that determines if a society is free, enslaved, or somewhere in between.  The development of the <i>rule of law</i> &#8212; which means those in the seats of government are subject to the same law as the rest of us &#8212; was the advance that gave the people a powerful rallying point by which they could challenge unjust leadership.  It is <i>law</i> which governs the behavior of people in a society, not personalities, and the law must be by consent rather than imposed if we are to be a free people.</p>
<p>Regulations imposed by bureaucracies have a poor track record because they are too far removed from the people.  The FDA approves poisons and bans raw milk, the EPA tiptoes around giant oil spills and harasses small businesses and landowners.  The SEC ignores wall street perfidies and makes it all but impossible for small business to raise capital.  The anarchist movement is just plain ignorant, but so too is the belief that regulation bureaucracies will be accountable to the people.</p>
<p>The answer is not more regulations and regulators, the answer is simpler laws and enabling the people to (once again) make criminal charges against lawbreakers.</p>
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		<title>By: who_me</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 04:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ariadna Theokopoulos

&quot;You may overrate the importance of the presidency just a tad....&quot;

no i don&#039;t. the president determines policy and congress either goes along or opposes (i know, the handlers do, but it goes through the president). currently congress has much lower approval ratings than the president and that is usually the way. people think congress more corrupt. against a popular president, they stand little chance. 

i didn&#039;t mentioned the corporate media, but they will never be helping us, anyway. they also are losing their influence. it&#039;s likely they may lose it faster going overboard, attacking paul. like the azz crowd did with atzmon. these people are arrogant, not very creative and very popular or credible with most people.

&quot;What is there is no Left left? I don’t know if it fell into disrepair because the Jews moved out or they moved out because they saw the boat leaking but I don’t see any Left. Not any credible, loud voice.&quot;

the jews moved out? i didn&#039;t know that. i thought the left was corrupted by zionist jews (and loyal sabbath goys). having the jews move out of the left would probably be a good thing since it would remove the zionist corruption of the left. it&#039;s mostly jewish people speaking for the left in the usa now. you are right about the usa not being left, but many people there think in terms of left wing ideals on many subjects. when polls are done asking people their views, their is a pretty consistent approval for left concepts, provided the questions aren&#039;t phrased in a left or right manner. example: would you be in favour of single payer health coverage provided by the government? most say yes. word it: would you favour socialised medicine. most say no. the problem with the left is it run by zionist capitalists, who work to see the left fail, not that leftwing ideals are dead. the only reason there seem so few credible voices in the left is because of the zionist take over. they did to credible leftism what they tried to do to atzmon.

and that brings me back to why i&#039;d rather see paul than obama/romney elected. i have no delusions about paul. the main reason i want to see him elected is he will bring some positive change. probably not much, but that is a whole lot better than obama/romney, who will bring only further negative changes. change offers a possibility of more change. it opens doors that are otherwise shut. and who knows, the zionists may overplay their cards opposing him. their arrogance often leads them down that path. 

regardless, the constant wars and interventions have got to stop and paul is the only one who says he would do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariadna Theokopoulos</p>
<p>&#8220;You may overrate the importance of the presidency just a tad&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>no i don&#8217;t. the president determines policy and congress either goes along or opposes (i know, the handlers do, but it goes through the president). currently congress has much lower approval ratings than the president and that is usually the way. people think congress more corrupt. against a popular president, they stand little chance. </p>
<p>i didn&#8217;t mentioned the corporate media, but they will never be helping us, anyway. they also are losing their influence. it&#8217;s likely they may lose it faster going overboard, attacking paul. like the azz crowd did with atzmon. these people are arrogant, not very creative and very popular or credible with most people.</p>
<p>&#8220;What is there is no Left left? I don’t know if it fell into disrepair because the Jews moved out or they moved out because they saw the boat leaking but I don’t see any Left. Not any credible, loud voice.&#8221;</p>
<p>the jews moved out? i didn&#8217;t know that. i thought the left was corrupted by zionist jews (and loyal sabbath goys). having the jews move out of the left would probably be a good thing since it would remove the zionist corruption of the left. it&#8217;s mostly jewish people speaking for the left in the usa now. you are right about the usa not being left, but many people there think in terms of left wing ideals on many subjects. when polls are done asking people their views, their is a pretty consistent approval for left concepts, provided the questions aren&#8217;t phrased in a left or right manner. example: would you be in favour of single payer health coverage provided by the government? most say yes. word it: would you favour socialised medicine. most say no. the problem with the left is it run by zionist capitalists, who work to see the left fail, not that leftwing ideals are dead. the only reason there seem so few credible voices in the left is because of the zionist take over. they did to credible leftism what they tried to do to atzmon.</p>
<p>and that brings me back to why i&#8217;d rather see paul than obama/romney elected. i have no delusions about paul. the main reason i want to see him elected is he will bring some positive change. probably not much, but that is a whole lot better than obama/romney, who will bring only further negative changes. change offers a possibility of more change. it opens doors that are otherwise shut. and who knows, the zionists may overplay their cards opposing him. their arrogance often leads them down that path. </p>
<p>regardless, the constant wars and interventions have got to stop and paul is the only one who says he would do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that the Palestinians are undifferentiated &quot;Arabs&quot; who should go to live in &quot;the many other Arab countries&quot; when the script requires it but split into completely different and virtually unrelated groups (bedouins, etc) when convenient.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the Palestinians are undifferentiated &#8220;Arabs&#8221; who should go to live in &#8220;the many other Arab countries&#8221; when the script requires it but split into completely different and virtually unrelated groups (bedouins, etc) when convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[who_me: 
            &quot;if the zpc lose control of the american presidency, that will be a significant opening to unravel zpc control&quot;

You may overrate the importance of the presidency just a tad. Breaking its control over Congress, that would be significant and wishful thinking about the mass media, that&#039;s another dream.

          &quot;dismantling the zpc and their strangleholds on left thought and action.&quot;

What is there is no Left left? I don&#039;t know if it fell into disrepair because the Jews moved out or they moved out because they saw the boat leaking but I don&#039;t see any Left. Not any credible, loud voice.
Furthermore, unlike Europeans, Americans always mistrusted the Left (&quot;pinkos,&quot; and &quot;commies&quot;). It would be a herculean task to undo a century of indoctrination. 
Perhaps a better strategy for those who think &quot;left&quot; would be to start speaking more to the right, try to mobilize the tea party and the NASCAR crowd--they are many and they are unhappy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who_me:<br />
            &#8220;if the zpc lose control of the american presidency, that will be a significant opening to unravel zpc control&#8221;</p>
<p>You may overrate the importance of the presidency just a tad. Breaking its control over Congress, that would be significant and wishful thinking about the mass media, that&#8217;s another dream.</p>
<p>          &#8220;dismantling the zpc and their strangleholds on left thought and action.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is there is no Left left? I don&#8217;t know if it fell into disrepair because the Jews moved out or they moved out because they saw the boat leaking but I don&#8217;t see any Left. Not any credible, loud voice.<br />
Furthermore, unlike Europeans, Americans always mistrusted the Left (&#8220;pinkos,&#8221; and &#8220;commies&#8221;). It would be a herculean task to undo a century of indoctrination.<br />
Perhaps a better strategy for those who think &#8220;left&#8221; would be to start speaking more to the right, try to mobilize the tea party and the NASCAR crowd&#8211;they are many and they are unhappy.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 23:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The British Mandate records affirm that 12,600,000 Dunums of Negev land belonged to the Bedouins. (Mandate records 1937. See Penny Maddrell, The Beduin of the Negev, Minority Rights Group, Report no.81 (1990) p.5)

According to this U.N. document, paragraph 15: http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/e11790721615c5aa052565f600543580?OpenDocument the link shows that although only around 2 million dunums of the Negev was considered fit for cultivation, the other unfit for cultivation 10 million dunums was owned by arabs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British Mandate records affirm that 12,600,000 Dunums of Negev land belonged to the Bedouins. (Mandate records 1937. See Penny Maddrell, The Beduin of the Negev, Minority Rights Group, Report no.81 (1990) p.5)</p>
<p>According to this U.N. document, paragraph 15: <a href="http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/e11790721615c5aa052565f600543580?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/e11790721615c5aa052565f600543580?OpenDocument</a> the link shows that although only around 2 million dunums of the Negev was considered fit for cultivation, the other unfit for cultivation 10 million dunums was owned by arabs.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 23:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good article now if only your namesake could see the light. Ahem Adelson Ahem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article now if only your namesake could see the light. Ahem Adelson Ahem.</p>
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		<title>By: who_me</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/on-israels-right-to-exist/#comment-6175</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Not enough. The zionist “sentiment factor” is not sufficient for me. I am not going to give someone–anyone, not just Paul– a pass just because the zios hate him. They might hate him/her for reasons that I don’t care about.&quot;

there is more to it than that. the paul hate, which is across the board among the zios, from the phoney left to the far right, means it is highly probable they don&#039;t own him and he is independent of the zpc. that makes zionist paul hate a more important factor than one might suppose on the surface. 

the necessary first step to breaking the rightwing direction of the usa will be dismantling the zpc and their strangleholds on left thought and action. the zios are the glue that holds the fascist establishment together and they are also the dam that prevents real opposition to it. if the zpc lose control of the american presidency, that will be a significant opening to unravel zpc control. 

put this aspect of paul with his non-interventionist and constitutional stances, and the opportunity for putting a break on the current fascism in the usa is a real prospect. a break in that inceasing of the heat on the pot of water is very much needed before the frog boils to death. there is no prospect of such a break on fascism with either obama or romney, but instead, a further entrenchment of it that will make dismantling fascism even more elusive and difficult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not enough. The zionist “sentiment factor” is not sufficient for me. I am not going to give someone–anyone, not just Paul– a pass just because the zios hate him. They might hate him/her for reasons that I don’t care about.&#8221;</p>
<p>there is more to it than that. the paul hate, which is across the board among the zios, from the phoney left to the far right, means it is highly probable they don&#8217;t own him and he is independent of the zpc. that makes zionist paul hate a more important factor than one might suppose on the surface. </p>
<p>the necessary first step to breaking the rightwing direction of the usa will be dismantling the zpc and their strangleholds on left thought and action. the zios are the glue that holds the fascist establishment together and they are also the dam that prevents real opposition to it. if the zpc lose control of the american presidency, that will be a significant opening to unravel zpc control. </p>
<p>put this aspect of paul with his non-interventionist and constitutional stances, and the opportunity for putting a break on the current fascism in the usa is a real prospect. a break in that inceasing of the heat on the pot of water is very much needed before the frog boils to death. there is no prospect of such a break on fascism with either obama or romney, but instead, a further entrenchment of it that will make dismantling fascism even more elusive and difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 22:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[who_me: &quot;while paul, and libertarianism, have deep faults, the demican-repulicrat alternative is really not much different.&quot;

I don&#039;t think anyone around here spoke up for them; that goes without saying.
You are right about Paul&#039;s stance on the Constitution (now in tatters); that is a plus sign for him.

who_me: &quot;the zionist reaction. they hate paul. right now, that can only be good&quot;

Not enough. The zionist &quot;sentiment factor&quot; is not sufficient for me. I am not going to give someone--anyone, not just Paul-- a pass just because the zios hate him. They might hate him/her for reasons that I don&#039;t care about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who_me: &#8220;while paul, and libertarianism, have deep faults, the demican-repulicrat alternative is really not much different.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone around here spoke up for them; that goes without saying.<br />
You are right about Paul&#8217;s stance on the Constitution (now in tatters); that is a plus sign for him.</p>
<p>who_me: &#8220;the zionist reaction. they hate paul. right now, that can only be good&#8221;</p>
<p>Not enough. The zionist &#8220;sentiment factor&#8221; is not sufficient for me. I am not going to give someone&#8211;anyone, not just Paul&#8211; a pass just because the zios hate him. They might hate him/her for reasons that I don&#8217;t care about.</p>
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