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Mitt Romney…The Jewish Supremacist Who Isn’t Even Jewish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the early years of the first century, when Christ was about nine years old, a Jewish supremacist by the name of Judas the Galilean led a revolt against Rome. I call him a Jewish supremacist because Judas and his friend, the Pharisee priest Zadok, preached to their followers that Jews were to abide by no laws other than those allegedly given them by God. This naturally put them on a collision course with Rome, and a good bit of the rest of humanity besides, since of course everyone else was subject to Rome’s laws, so why should the Jews feel they were any different? Judas’ revolt was handily crushed, as were later Jewish revolts in 70, 119, and 135 AD (the Romans, with keen insight, knew how to deal with Jewish supremacism, an art which, alas, has been lost to the modern world, although perhaps Vladimir Putin will revive it). I only mention it because it’s a chapter of history worth keeping in mind as we evaluate Mitt Romney’s recent trip to Israel.

Ah, and what a trip it was! We of course wouldn’t expect Romney to shed too many tears for Americans—such as the 34 killed or 171 wounded on the USS Liberty when Israel attacked the ship that day in 1967, or for young Rachel Corrie, crushed beneath an Israeli bulldozer in 2003. That would probably be expecting too much. After all, the man has a campaign to run, and cash has to be raised. Lots of it. And apparently that aspect of the trip was indeed quite successful. Since the candidate’s return from Israel, the Romney campaign has produced a new TV commercial that includes footage from his stay in Jerusalem. Entitled “Cherished Relationship,” the ad takes President Obama to task over his failure to visit Israel during his presidency and also for failing to recognize Jerusalem as the Jewish state’s capital. Romney’s vow to recognize Jerusalem as the capital got quite a bit of news coverage, you’ll remember, and in fact, if we can judge from the commercial, it would seem that highlighting the candidate’s position on this issue has become the Romney campaign’s new strategy—for of course it is the one issue on which there is a clear difference between he and Obama (there aren’t many others).

I should pause here and mention that the leaders of the modern day state of Israel, both past and present, appear very much to be kindred spirits with Judas the Galilean, for the Zionist state, as we know, has a long history of violating international law. In fact, according to one writer, Israel’s blockade of Gaza violates article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, while its construction of Jewish settlements in the West Bank violates the Convention’s article 49. In addition, Israel is in violation of more than 30 UN Security Council resolutions, including UNSC Resolution 487, which demanded it open its nuclear facilities to inspection by the International Atomic Energy Authority.

But perhaps the one area, more so than all others, in which international law violations have been more persistent, more flagrant and ongoing, would be the Jewish state’s flaunting of resolutions on the “status of Jerusalem.” The following comes from the website of the Negotiation Affairs Department of the Palestine Liberation Organization, and was obviously compiled by someone with a pretty solid foundation in international law as well as an intimate knowledge of the UN resolutions that have been adopted over the years on Palestine. It is quite eye opening. What it shows is the history of UN resolutions dealing with Jerusalem, going all the way back to the partition of Palestine in 1947 and the adoption of General Assembly Resolution 181. That resolution set up an Arab state and a Jewish state—but significantly it designated Jerusalem as a part of neither. Instead, the city was to become a “corpus separatum”—that is to say, it would be an international city under administration of the UN with all of its holy sites protected. But almost immediately Israel violated the resolution, starting in September of 1948 when it located its Supreme Court in Jerusalem—and as the summary below shows, violations have proceeded pretty much on an ongoing basis ever since. But of course Jews should have to obey no laws other than those given by God, and Judas the Galilean would no doubt be proud as punch of the leaders of “Israel.” In fact were Judas with us today he might even shake Romney’s hand as a “righteous Gentile” (though doubtless he would wash his hand afterwards).

The Status of Jerusalem in International Law

Executive Summary

  • The UN Partition Resolution (General Assembly Resolution 181) proposed that Jerusalem be established as a corpus separatum under an international regime to be administered by the United Nations. Despite the outbreak of hostilities in 1948-49 the United Nations made several attempts to establish the international regime before giving up in 1951. But the proposal remains “on the table” in the sense that it remains one option in future negotiations on the status of the Jerusalem.
  • Israel’s measures to integrate West Jerusalem into Israel and the measures taken by Israel following the June 1967 war to assert sovereignty over the whole of Jerusalem have been repeatedly condemned by the United Nations and are of no legal effect.
  • Sovereignty over the former mandated territory of Palestine was not transferred to the Mandatory Power during the Mandate but remained in abeyance. Sovereignty over that part of Palestine that became the State of Israel, with the exception of West Jerusalem, passed to Israel. Sovereignty over the remaining mandated territory of Palestine remains in abeyance to be exercised by the Palestinian people once they have achieved self-determination.
  • Israel’s occupation of West Jerusalem since 1948 has not been recognised de jure, although most states recognise Israel’s de facto authority over West Jerusalem. The 1949 Israel – Jordan General Armistice Agreement endorsed the de facto division of the City but did not affect the legal status of the City.
  • Israel is in belligerent occupation of East Jerusalem. Under international law belligerent occupation cannot confer title. Furthermore, the principle of inadmissibility of acquisition of title through force applies and East Jerusalem is included among the territories occupied in the June 1967 war from which Israel must withdraw in accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 242.
  • It is accepted by the international community that Jerusalem does have a separate legal status from Israel and the rest of the Occupied Territories. The precise nature of that status remains to be settled in the context of a final peace settlement, or failing that, by the United Nations. In the meantime sovereignty over the City remains in abeyance.
  • Palestine has a valid claim to sovereignty over the City based on the fact that under the Ottomans and during the British Mandate, Jerusalem was an integral part of the territory of Palestine and was its administrative capital. Until Jewish immigration altered the demographic structure of the City, the majority of its inhabitants were of Arab origin. Although sovereignty is in abeyance, it will be revived and vest in the Palestinian State once that state achieves recognition as a sovereign state.
  • The Israeli claim to sovereignty over Jerusalem has no substance. It has no basis in non-binding UN General Assembly Resolution 181 since the resolution never envisaged that Jerusalem would form part of the proposed Jewish State, but a corpus separatum subject to an international regime. Nor can the Israeli claim that it acted in self-defence in 1948 and 1967 form the basis for a claim to title.
  • A legal regime dating from the time of the Ottomans, known as the “Status Quo” governs the Holy Places located in the Old City. Successive occupiers have undertaken to uphold the regime and the regime has acquired the status of an international legal obligation binding on existing and future occupiers of that part of the City.
  • The Interim Agreement did not affect the legal status of Jerusalem.

 

INTRODUCTION

1. This report addresses the status of Jerusalem under international law.

 

2. Jerusalem (Al-Quds in Arabic) has a deep religious significance for Judaism, Christianity and Islam. One of the oldest cities in the world, Jerusalem has been at the crossroads of cultures and civilisations throughout history. Since antiquity, different peoples and groups have fought innumerable battles for control over it. Since the nineteenth century, the city has been the object of conflicting claims by Jews and Palestinian Arabs. These claims have acquired a political and territorial dimension in addition to the religious one, since both peoples claim that the city embodies their national identity and right to self-determination. However, Jerusalem’s religious and historical significance should not be allowed to color the legal arguments as to the status of the city in international law.

HISTORY

3. For four hundred years until the First World War, Palestine was a part of the Ottoman Empire. Following the defeat of that empire, Palestine was placed in 1922 under a League of Nations Mandate with the United Kingdom as mandatory power. Jerusalem during the period of the Mandate was an integral part of the territory of Palestine and was the seat of administration of the territory. The Mandate gave effect to the Balfour Declaration of 1917 that supported the establishment in Palestine of a “national home” for the Jewish people. The Mandate did not contain any specific provisions relating to Jerusalem, although Articles 13 and 14 of the Mandate did contain provisions on the Holy Places. Under Article 13, the United Kingdom assumed full responsibility for the Holy Places, including preserving “existing rights”, “securing free access” and “free exercise of worship”, except with regard to the management of purely Muslim sacred shrines, the immunity of which was guaranteed by the Mandate. Article 14 of the mandate provided for the establishment of a special commission “to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine”. In view of the difficulties in establishing representation by all religious communities, the commission was never established and responsibility for the Holy Places remained with the mandatory power that continued the Ottoman Status Quo governing relations among the various communities.

 

4. The increase in Jewish immigration to Palestine caused growing tensions between the two communities and Jerusalem became a flashpoint of conflict (in 1929 there was a serious outbreak of violence over access to the Wailing Wall). The security situation continued to deteriorate. After the Palestinian rising in 1936 that began in protest against increased Jewish immigration, the United Kingdom constituted the Palestinian Royal Commission. The Commission concluded that the Mandate was unworkable and recommended that it be terminated. It also proposed the partition of Palestine into an Arab State and a Jewish State. The Commission held the Holy Places to be “a sacred trust of civilization” and proposed that a Jerusalem-Bethlehem enclave encompassing all the Holy Places, with a corridor to the sea terminating at Jaffa, remain under British trusteeship under a new League of Nations Mandate. This first plan for partition was superseded by political and military events. After the Second World War the United Kingdom declared that it was unable to resolve the problem in Palestine and brought the problem to the United Nations.

 

5. When the matter came before the United Nations in 1947, the General Assembly appointed a Special Committee on Palestine. The Committee unanimously recommended that the sacred character of the Holy Places be guaranteed and that access to the Holy Places be ensured “in accordance with existing rights”. The Committee submitted two alternative plans for Palestine. The minority plan envisioned the establishment of a unified federal state in Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital with separate municipalities for the Jewish and Arab sectors. It also recommended the creation of a permanent international regime for the protection and supervision of the Holy Places in Jerusalem and elsewhere. The majority plan recommended the partition of Palestine into an Arab State and a Jewish State, and the territorial internationalisation of the Jerusalem area as an enclave in the Arab State. It was the latter plan that was approved by the General Assembly in Resolution 181. The Resolution terminated the Mandate. It proposed the establishment of Arab and Jewish states in the territory of Palestine and delineated the boundaries of the two states.

 

Jerusalem was not included within the boundaries of the two states. Instead a special regime was proposed for Jerusalem. The Resolution provided:

 

“The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations. The Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority on behalf of the United Nations”.

 

The boundaries of the city were defined as including “the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem; the most western, Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu’fat”. The Assembly requested the Council to elaborate a statute for the city providing for the appointment of a Governor and administrative staff, a Legislature, an independent judiciary, citizenship, and a regime governing the Holy Places and religious buildings and sites.

 

The Partition Plan and the international regime for Jerusalem never materialised. After some initial hesitation, the Zionists declared their willingness to accept the Partition Plan. The Arab League rejected the partition arguing that the United Nations, particularly with a non-binding General Assembly Resolution, had no right to allocate 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state when Jews, most of whom were recent immigrants, represented only a third of the population and owned less than 7% of the land.

 

Hostilities broke out in 1948-49 and Israel occupied West Jerusalem and Jordan occupied East Jerusalem. The Israel-Jordan General Armistice Agreement of 3 April 1949 effectively formalised the de facto division of the city.

 

6. Despite the hostilities, the United Nations did not give up the objective of internationalisation of the Jerusalem area. In April 1948 the Trusteeship Council prepared a draft statute for the planned separate international entity. The General Assembly in Resolution 194 established a three-member Conciliation Commission for Palestine. The Commission resolved inter alia that “the Jerusalem area, including the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns…should be accorded special and separate treatment from the rest of Palestine and should be placed under effective United Nations control”. The General Assembly instructed the Commission to come up with detailed proposals for a permanent international regime for the Jerusalem area and recommendations concerning the Holy Places. In its periodic reports to the General Assembly, the Commission reported that the Arab delegations were in general prepared to accept the principle of an international regime for Jerusalem, subject to United Nations guarantees regarding its stability and permanence. Israel was unable to accept this, although it accepted an international regime for, or international control of, the Holy Places. Nevertheless in April 1950, the Council adopted a detailed Statute for the City of Jerusalem based on the provisions contained in Resolution 181. Neither side indicated that they were prepared to accept the proposed Statute. Following a final effort to mediate between the parties in 1951 the Commission concluded that the parties’ unwillingness to implement the relevant resolutions and the changes that had taken place on the ground made it impossible to proceed towards a settlement. Nevertheless, the proposal remains “on the table”, in the sense that the proposal, or something like it, remains an option for the negotiations on the future status of the City.

 

7. In the meantime, Israel took a number of measures designed to integrate West Jerusalem into Israel. In September 1948, the Supreme Court was established in Jerusalem and in February 1949 the Knesset met in the city. This was followed by the establishment of a number of Ministries and public services in the City. In 1950 Jerusalem was proclaimed as the capital of Israel. East Jerusalem was occupied by Israel in the June 1967 war and Israel has adopted a number of measures to unite the two parts of the city, including the enactment of a law in 1967 applying Israeli civilian law to East Jerusalem.[1] In 1980 Israel enacted a ‘basic law’, which while not formally annexing East Jerusalem, in practice amounted to annexation by declaring the united city to be the capital of Israel and the seat of the major institutions of state. This action was firmly condemned by the Security Council and General Assembly. The Security Council in Resolution 478 censured in the strongest terms the enactment of the Israeli legislation and affirmed that it “constitutes a violation of international law and does not affect the continued application of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949, in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem”. The Council decided “not to recognise the “basic law” and such other actions by Israel that, as a result of this law, seek to alter the character and status of Jerusalem”, and called upon all Member States to accept its decision and upon Member States that had established diplomatic missions at Jerusalem to withdraw them. This resolution, subsequently reaffirmed with similar wording, continues to embody the position of the United Nations and of most Governments on the status of Jerusalem.

 

The Current Status of Jerusalem in International Law

 

8. Consideration of the legal status of Jerusalem cannot be divorced from consideration of the status of Palestine as a whole. Prior to the Mandate, sovereignty over Palestine, including Jerusalem, vested in the Ottomans. The Mandate did not transfer sovereignty to the Mandatory Power, nor was sovereignty transferred to the League of Nations.

During the time of the Mandate sovereignty was in effect in abeyance. That situation remained until the establishment of the State of Israel and her recognition as a state by the international community and her admission to the United Nations in 1949. Although recognition of Israel implied recognition of Israeli sovereignty over some area of territory in the former mandated territory of Palestine, since possession of territory is one of the criteria for statehood, it did not imply recognition of Israeli sovereignty over all the territory claimed by Israel. In particular, it did not imply recognition of the 1949 Armistice boundary lines or sovereignty over West Jerusalem.

 

9. The fact that sovereignty is in abeyance over the remainder of the former mandated territory of Palestine does not of course mean that there is no one entitled to that sovereignty. Since Palestine’s provisional independence was recognised in the League of Nations Mandate and the right of self-determination of the Palestinian people has been recognised, the “unit of self-determination” comprises that area of territory. Sovereignty therefore vests in the Palestinian people to be exercised when they achieve their independence. In the Western Sahara case, Judge McNair in his separate opinion said: “Sovereignty over a mandated territory is in abeyance; if and when the inhabitants of the Territory obtain recognition as an independent state…sovereignty will revive and rest in the new state”.[2]

10. With regard to Jerusalem, Israel’s occupation of West Jerusalem in 1948 has not been recognised de jure. The reason for this is that to do so would be inconsistent with the concept of Jerusalem as a corpus separatum. Thus at present there are no states that maintain embassies in Jerusalem.[3] Some states maintain consular posts in Jerusalem; though such posts are based on the city’s international status, and no exequatur or other authority for its establishment is sought or obtained from Israel. Most states, including the United Kingdom, regard Israel as exercising only de facto authority over West Jerusalem. Although the 1949 Israel-Jordan General Armistice Agreement endorsed the de facto division of the City, it did not affect the legal status of Jerusalem. In particular, Article II expressly provided that the Agreement should not confer any political or military advantage, that it should not prejudice the rights, claims or positions of either party and that it was dictated exclusively by military considerations.

 

11. As regards East Jerusalem, prior to the June 1967 war, that part of the City was generally recognised as under the de facto administration of Jordan. Israel’s occupation of East Jerusalem in the June 1967 war did not confer any title. This is because of (i) the well-established rule of international law that belligerent occupation cannot confer title[4] and (ii) the principle of the inadmissibility of acquisition of territory by force and the requirement that Israel should withdraw from (the) territories occupied by it in the June 1967 war as laid down in Security Council Resolution 242. Accordingly sovereignty over East Jerusalem, like the remainder of Palestine, remains in abeyance.

 

12. The next question that needs to be considered is whether Jerusalem has a status different from that of the Occupied Territories and Israel. Although the UN Partition Plan proposed that Jerusalem should have the status of a corpus separatum under a special regime to be administered by the UN, that regime never came into effect. However, it is clear from the history of United Nations’ efforts to internationalise the City following the rejection of the Partition Plan that the concept of a corpus separatum under an international regime for the City lived on. (It should also be noted that, prior to the de facto occupation of East Jerusalem by Jordan in 1950, the Arabs also accepted the principle of an international regime for Jerusalem). Although the proposals for Jerusalem in the UN Partition Plan were recommendations only and are therefore not legally binding, there does appear to be a wide measure of agreement that Jerusalem should continue to be regarded as a corpus separatum (i.e. territory that is legally distinct from Israel and the rest of the Occupied Territories), even though the precise nature of the regime that will apply to the City has not been agreed. It is for this reason that states have not recognised Israel’s claim to sovereignty over West Jerusalem and have not established embassies there. The UN General Assembly and Security Council Resolutions subsequent to General Assembly Resolution 181 speak rather vaguely of the “status of Jerusalem” without defining precisely what that status is. In most cases the term is used in the context of condemning Israeli actions tending to assert Israeli sovereignty over the city and the intention is to ensure that the status quo (whatever that may be) is not altered. Nevertheless the phrase must be interpreted in the historical context, in particular the efforts of the United Nations to establish an international regime for the City and the widespread acceptance of the corpus separatum concept.

 

13. The international community decisively rejects Israeli claims to sovereignty over the City (East and West). Nor is it accepted that there is currently any other Power that has sovereignty over the city.

 

Sovereignty is in abeyance. There also appears to be a consensus that Jerusalem does have a status separate from Israel and the rest of the Occupied Territories. The unsuccessful efforts of the United Nations to broker a solution specific to Jerusalem, the widespread acceptance of the corpus separatum concept, and the references in successive UN Resolutions to the “status of Jerusalem” and to the “Palestinian and Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem” testify to that. The precise nature of that status is undetermined. The legal regime that will apply to Jerusalem is a matter that will need to be settled in the context of the final peace settlement, as agreed between the two sides in the Declaration of Principles and in the Interim Agreement. Whether the regime will take the form of a divided city with each side having sovereignty over its respective half, a condominium, an international regime as envisaged in the original Partition Plan, or some other solution, is a matter for negotiation.

 

The Palestinian Position Regarding Sovereignty over the City

 

14. The Palestinian position is that Jerusalem should be the capital of the State of Palestine. The Declaration of Independence adopted by the Palestine National Council in 1988 declared “the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem”. In the Palestinian view, that claim necessarily involved an assertion of sovereignty over the City. The Palestinian position has received overwhelming support from the Arab and Non-Aligned countries.

 

The Sixth Conference of Heads of State or Government of Non-Aligned countries affirmed a number of basic principles for a comprehensive solution of the Arab-Israeli conflict, including that “the City of Jerusalem is an integral part of occupied Palestine. It must be evacuated in its entirety and restored unconditionally to Arab sovereignty”. The Third Islamic summit conference “the Palestine and Al-Quds al-Sharif session” held in Mecca in January 1981, stressed “the determination of the Palestinian people to maintain their eternal right to the Holy City of Al-Quds as the capital of their homeland Palestine, and the insistence of Muslim Governments and peoples alike on their eternal right to the Holy City of Al-Quds, in view of the permanent political, religious, cultural and historical importance of Al-Quds to all Muslims”, and affirmed “the commitment of Islamic States to liberate Al-Quds to become the capital of the independent Palestinian State, and to reject any situation which might infringe on the Arab right to full sovereignty over Al-Quds”. In their declaration adopted at Fez, Morocco, in September 1982,
If we adopt “somebody who believes Jews should not have to obey the law” as our working definition of a Jewish supremacist, then Romney’s position on Jerusalem alone would seem to qualify him as a Jewish supremacist. But Romney has also said nothing of the illegal blockade of Gaza, or the ongoing settlement enterprise in the West Bank, or numerous other law violations by the Israelis, which would suggest a presumptive acquiescence to Israel’s exemption from the law in these and possibly many other areas as well.

Also if we go here, we can read how Casino magnate Shelden Adelson—most likely Romney’s largest contributor—is pressing the Republican candidate to come out in favor of a pardon for convicted spy Jonathan Pollard. So far Romney has sidestepped the issue by saying he can’t make a decision on the matter without access to all the classified documents, but a pardon for Pollard can perhaps be viewed as an anticipated outcome of a Romney presidency.

Of course Romney isn’t the only Jewish supremacist in American politics. We are cursed to be top-heavy with them. Last year Benjamin Netanyahu gave a speech before a joint session of Congress during which he received no less than 30 standing ovations (some have said the number was 29, but there were actually 30. I counted them.). This was after he was introduced by House Speaker John Boehner, who referred to the Israeli prime minister as “his excellency.” And of course, Obama has demonstrated his own subservience to Israel time and time again. None of this will end until the 98 percent of Americans who aren’t Jewish (and even many of those who are Jewish) realize that their own best interests lie in immediately severing all ties with the “Jewish state.”

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Jews and Mormons

Last week I posted an article in which I discussed the apparent close affinity many members of the Mormon faith have for Jews. It turns out that a Jewish publication, JewishJournal.com, publishes a regular column entitled Jews and Mormons that discusses that very topic. The column is authored by Mark Paredes, a Mormon living in southern California, who says he takes “great pleasure in knowing that if Israelis could decide the winner of November’s election, Mitt—the Mormon candidate—would win in a landslide.” Paredes’ post on Romney’s trip to Israel can be found here and includes a little history on support for the Zionist cause by various church officials, dating all the way back to 1841 when an elder of the church, Orson Hyde “dedicated the Land of Israel for the gathering of the Jewish people.” Today there is an Orson Hyde Memorial Garden on the Mount of Olives, while Brigham Young University also has a branch in Jerusalem.

“As more and more Jews and Israelis become familiar with the history of the LDS-Jewish relations, they will better understand why Mormons feel a special closeness to them,” said Paredes. “In the case of Mitt, I believe that his religious beliefs and his strong support for Israel and Jews can’t be separated; they merely feed off each other.”

30 Responses to Mitt Romney…The Jewish Supremacist Who Isn’t Even Jewish

  1. who_me August 7, 2012 at 7:35 am #

    you know things have reached rock bottom when a country’s leading political contenders are in a contest with each other, not necessarily for the country’s top job, but to see who is the most loyal bum licker of the leader of another country altogether and they feature campaign adverts where they each brag about being the most prolific bum licker of that other country’s leader.

  2. Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 8:43 am #

    This is at the top. I want to see this generalized and rteaching down to the masses.
    I ‘d like to see gladiator fights between the mormons and the christian zionists, the ‘progressives” and the neocons, all with the purpose of crowning the Best Zionist.

  3. Cosmo August 7, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    So let me get this straight, you claim that the occupied people of Israel should have obeyed the laws of their occupiers the Roman empire?
    And you praise the way the Romans dealt with Jewish rebellions against their occupation which included mass murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians and the ethnic cleansing of the land of Jews and selling them as slaves.
    I think you just won yourself a lot of haters in the pro Palestinian movement, well at least those not blinded by hate.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

      Rome did not “occupy”–it colonized, which is why ‘colonialism’ is not an appropriate description of the Jewish takeover of Palestine.
      Rome conquered and established political dominion as well as a tax system for extracting wealth from its colonies. It did not ethnic cleanse, much less “hundreds of thousands” which would have nearly wiped out the jewish tribes. It did not displace populations or send them into exile, it did not move Romans there. It established military outposts (castrum) and Curiae to handle administrative issues. It also built them roads and aqueducts and actually improved their lives. It did not declare theirs the state religion or try to convert the jews to polytheism.
      Israel, on the contrary, destroys devastates, expulses, ethnic cleanses, creates millions of refugees and brings people from other continents to OCCUPY the land.
      Different color of a horse altogether.

      • Cosmo August 7, 2012 at 1:16 pm #

        Huh???
        Bar Kokhba revolt
        According to Cassius Dio, 580,000 Jews were killed, and 50 fortified towns and 985 villages razed…
        The massive destruction and loss of life occasioned by the revolt has led some scholars to date the beginning of the Jewish diaspora from this date. They note that, unlike the aftermath of the First Jewish-Roman War chronicled by Josephus, the majority of the Jewish population of Judea was either killed, exiled, or sold into slavery after the Bar-Kokhba Revolt, and Jewish religious and political authority was suppressed far more brutally.

        http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%93%D7%99%D7%95_%D7%A7%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A1
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt#Outcome_of_the_war

        • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm #

          Only 580,000?
          I am surprised it was not 6 million.

          • Roy Bard August 7, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

            So was I!

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 2:49 pm #

            Not even a multiple, or a divider…

          • Cosmo August 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

            This is the account of the historian Cassius Dio not just “some Jew”, lets say it was 100,000 killed and the rest cleansed into exile or sold as slaves. Still a far more casualties than the Palestinians had throughout the Israeli Palestinian conflict. You have no problem with the fact the author praises this genocide as the way to deal with rebellions even if only when Jews are involved?

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

            Where does the author “praise the genocide”?
            Also is it genocide when a large number of rebels are killed to suppress a rebellion? Or do you think the Romans killed them “because they were Jews”?

          • Cosmo August 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

            “Judas’ revolt was handily crushed, as were later Jewish revolts in 70, 119, and 135 AD (the Romans, with keen insight, knew how to deal with Jewish supremacism”. Sure sound like he is saying that the Romans did the right thing.
            I don’t know how many of them were fighters and how many civilians but I assume there weren’t over 400,000 fighters. So should Palestinians be killed and all sent into exile because of their rebellions?

          • Roy Bard August 7, 2012 at 5:33 pm #

            “So should Palestinians be killed and all sent into exile because of their rebellions?”

            The Geneva Convention didn’t apply during the Roman colonial period. It does now.

          • Cosmo August 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm #

            I see so everything that happened regarding the treatment of civilians during a war prior to 1949 is kosher right?
            So we won’t hear you complain about anything which happened during the 1948 war.

          • Roy Bard August 7, 2012 at 7:38 pm #

            I don’t really care all that much about what happened during the Roman empire. Its a very long time ago and there is nothing we can do to change it.

          • Richard Edmondson August 8, 2012 at 1:59 am #

            The Romans did not commit genocide against the Jews. The Romans put down about five or six different Jewish rebellions, and by the time of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 AD they were probably getting pretty fed up with it, so yes, that one was put down pretty harshly. However most historians today view Dio Cassius’ figures as vastly overblown. The total number of people killed was probably around 1400–about the same number Israel killed in Gaza.

            Also, in the wake of the rebellion, the Romans forbade the Jews from entering the city of Jerusalem with the exception of one day a year (the 9th of Ab), but aside from that Jews were not banned or exiled from the land as a whole. If you want to get into the game of quoting ancient sources, Justin Martyr, a prominent figure in the early church, also discusses the Bar Kokhba revolt, informing us that Bar Kokhba “gave orders that Christians alone should be led to cruel punishments unless they would deny Jesus Christ and utter blasphemy.” (Justin’s First Apology, chapter 31) Justin was born in Palestine, in the city of Flavia Neapolis, or what is today Nablus, so he probably knew what he was talking about.

            The main point of the article was to discuss the problems caused by Jewish supremacism in the world today–but that point seems to have eluded you.

          • who_me August 8, 2012 at 4:25 am #

            Richard Edmondson

            “The main point of the article was to discuss the problems caused by Jewish supremacism in the world today–but that point seems to have eluded you.”

            that point actually didn’t elude cosmo’s notice and she chose to harp on the ancient history rather than the present precisely in order to obfuscate it. cosmo is just an israeli hasbara troll, nothing more.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 8, 2012 at 9:35 am #

            1. Cosmo is a she?! For some reason after Cosmo mentioned being in the IDF I assumed cosmo was a man, although, of course, women are in it too. No matter.
            2. Harping on ancient history has multiple uses: it serves to remind everyone, at least subliminally, that the Khazars have millenary continuity in Palestine where, as everywhere else, they suffered with… ‘no surcease of sorrow’ more than any other people ever. Ever.

          • who_me August 8, 2012 at 9:42 am #

            “Cosmo is a she?!”

            dunno, i think of helen gurly brown and that woman’s fashion magazine whenever i see its nick. :D

          • Cosmo August 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm #

            I am not a she, but as part of the whatever the Zionist says must be lie, who_me keeps claiming that I am.

          • fool me once... August 8, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

            @Cosmo
            “I am not a she,”
            We discussed this 3wks ago on the “The Disintegration of The Jewish State Has Begun” article and you are now regarded as female unless you can prove otherwise. Above, AT thought you a man, but that could well be a typo, so don’t think about going there for any succour.
            A reminder;
            fool me once…
            July 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm
            “Now yer seriously flirting with who_me. Teasing and tempting him to join you in a mud bath together. What’s it to be? Are you gay as who_me suggests or are you a straight and female as Blake says? Maybe you prefer cuddling up with your aba on the couch with your head resting on his moob, as you watch Speilberg schmaltzy dribble, occasionally exchanging goy sex fantasy’s with one another.”
            Put your picture up in your avatar box to prove yourself and gain a smidgen of trust.

          • Cosmo August 8, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

            I have no problem posting my photos, but if you don’t believe me when I say that I am not a female why would you believe that it is me in the photo?
            I would say the fact you want to see my photos makes you sound a lot more gay.

          • fool me once... August 8, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

            @Cosmo
            “…why would you believe that it is me in the photo?”
            Try it, make sure you’re holding a card with “deLiberation” written on it so we can tell it’s you.
            .
            “I would say the fact you want to see my photos makes you sound a lot more gay.”
            Than you perhaps?

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 8, 2012 at 10:29 pm #

            fool me once: “… but that could be a typo”

            Go ahead, kick me while I’m down, having slipped on typos, just don’t stop being funny

          • etominusipi August 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

            just an israeli hasbara troll, nothing more.

            amongst youth, e.g. IDF reservists, there may be stuff that seems like the usual intellectually dishonest hasbara tripe, but is not quite as pernicious. at this stage of life, before the terminal cardio-sclerosis has become irreversible, they may not be so much trying to persuade others, as trying to persuade themselves, struggling desperately to find ways to prevent the activity of their conscience. in the end 98.4% just become leathery old pro-Israel cynics, but this does not happen in every case.

            some young Israelis, admittedly not many, deserve a little sympathy at this stage of their development, when, due to their hormonally amplified youthful ‘idealism’ they are still undecided about whether to become a fully committed zionist or to put in an application to become accepted as a human being.

            no man can serve two masters – Jesus of Nazareth.

          • Cosmo August 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

            I have to say that when I watch TV I hear a lot more America is number one, America is the greatest country on earth and so on than I hear anyone saying Jews are the greatest.
            Every people think they are special, claiming that wanting to break free of an occupying power has something to do with Jewish supremacism is silly. Jews have lived under foreign rule in numerous countries for thousands of years and haven’t tried to revolt.

          • fool me once... August 8, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

            @Cosmo
            “I have to say that when I watch TV I hear a lot more America is number one”
            Which TV programmes are you watching, write a list so that it can be understood what you mean.

  4. who_me August 7, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

    i suspect the affinity between mormons and jewish israelis is their attitude towards black people and their love of organised crime.

    jewish israelis are notoriously bigoted towards black people, even jewish black people. up until about 1970, black people were prevented from becoming mormons and were thought of as some sort of evil beings. even now, the 4 or 4 black people dim enough to have joined that sect are discriminated against.

    the mormons are intimately involved with the israeli operations in latin america, including the illegal drug business. both richard secord and oliver north, who worked to facilitate the jewish mafia’s trafficking in latin america are also devout zionist mormons who worked to help spread mormon missions in the region. money from drug running was used to support these missions and probably still is.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 7, 2012 at 8:26 pm #

      First I’d like to say that I mean no disrespect for the Mormon religion. To each his own. The following is just my uninformed impression of it:
      Mormons appear to be wannabe jews. They had a guy who came with Tables, only theirs are diminutive: tablets. They tried to go jews one better: theirs were made of gold.
      Mormons claim that every man “can become God.” Jews, by worshipping the Tribe, already are.
      The one good thing mormons had that jews could have envied was polygamy but they gave that up. Most of them.

  5. Cosmo August 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Palestine has a valid claim to sovereignty over the City based on the fact that under the Ottomans and during the British Mandate, Jerusalem was an integral part of the territory of Palestine and was its administrative capital. Until Jewish immigration altered the demographic structure of the City, the majority of its inhabitants were of Arab origin.

    Since before 1850 Jews have been the clear majority in Jerusalem. Under the Ottoman rule Muslims couldn’t care less about their their holy city of Jerusalem which was completely ignored abandoned and left to deteriorate.

    President Lincoln’s Secretary of State Describes Jerusalem in 1871

    The Mohammedans are four thousand, and occupy the northeast quarter, including the whole area of the Mosque of Omar. The Jews are eight thousand, and have the southeast quarter. These two quarters overhang the Valley of Jehoshaphat and the brook Kedron. The Armenians number eighteen hundred, and have the southwest quarter; and the other Christians, amounting to twenty-two hundred, have the northwest quarter, which overlooks the Valley of Hinnom.

    • who_me August 8, 2012 at 11:12 pm #

      back in 1871, the region was called palestine on the maps. i wonder how much longer till it will be called palestine on the maps again? the sooner the better. there is no use in a civilised world for a fascist, apartheid, squatter entity of bigots called israel.

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