by Gilad Atzmon
Sunday, May 20th, 2012
Introduction by Gilad Atzmon: A few days ago we came across a vile email exchange between three, so-called, Jewish ‘anti’ Zionists and Mr. Mazin Qumsiyeh, leading Palestinian intellectual and peace activist. Regretfully, the three Jewish ethnic campaigners used an abusive and patronizing language that left some of us bewildered and hurt. But Dr Qumsiyeh didn’t shy away, compassionately he answered the AZZ (Anti Zionist Zionists) putting into play every possible rule of reason. But his words were in vain. The infamous Tony Greenstein foolishly circulated the exchange and made his level of abusive language once again into public knowledge. I myself passed the exchange to Jeff Blankfort and a few others. Here is Blankfort’s open letter to Gabriel Ash. Once realising that he is about to be exposed, Ash tried to stop the publication of the following letter. However, Jeff Blankfort is made of a different material. His integrity is never compromised. This letter is published with Mr. Blankfort’s Consent.
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Jeff Blankfort
Last night, Gilad forwarded to me the correspondence that is apparently being circulated by Tony Greenstein, he of the poison pen, among you, Abraham Weizfeld, and Mazin Qumsiyeh regarding an upcoming conference in Munich on the future of Palestine in which Mazin is participating together with Ghada Karmi, Norton Mezvinsky, and Oren Ben Dor with whom I am not familiar, and the objections to this conference on your part, as well as Greenstein and Weizfeld, based upon the latter’s discovery that Mazin was not a signatory to that unforgivable and contemptible letter circulated, to his everlasting discredit, by Ali Abumimah, denouncing, in terms, worthy of Joe McCarthy, Alan Dershowitz, and Abe Foxman, the estimable Gilad Atzmon who you and your fellow Jewish tribalists seem to see as the éminence grise behind the conference.
Before reading your contribution to this exchange, despite our disagreements over the role of the American Jewish establishment in dictating US Middle East policy, I had otherwise respected you but our point of disagreement turned out to be more important than I first thought. It is considerably more than a red line being nothing less than the division between political realists on one hand and Jewish tribalists on the other, and you have shown that you are just as eager to circle the wagons when Jews are criticized collectively as any full throated Zionist yahoo. That you have further besmirched yourself by comparing Atzmon with Meir Kahane is therefore fully consistent with where you, Greenstein and Weizfeld appear on the political spectrum. Weizfeld, who I have long considered a certifiable nutcase, founded something called “The Jewish People’s Liberation Organization,” (ROTFLMAO) and claims to “have functioned as an intermediary on behalf of the Palestinians to the Western (North American) societies and, on behalf of the Jewish People to the Palestinian and Arab Nations since 1968.” <http://www.angelfire.com/co3/alaqsaintifada/auth3.html>I need not bother to point out further the arrogance of such a statement since it speaks for itself. As for Greenstein, he has written that attacks on the pro-Israel Lobby “are the first step towards holocaust denial.” You certainly are in fine company, Gabriel.
Frankly, despite the time and energy I have spent exposing the nefarious role in support of Israel played by organized Jewry at every level of American society, political, economic, and social, my biggest problems, from a personal political standpoint, have come from left wing Jews, beginning with those, among them close family friends, Jewish communists, who were ready to lynch me back in 1971 when they learned I had spent four months with the Palestinians in the refugee camps of Lebanon and Jordan. Their anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab racism was so intense that in 1973, when the CPUSA paper, the People’s World, put out a photo calendar (without having anything to do with the photo selection), they had to excise a photo I had taken in Jordan’s Schneller Camp of young Palestinian women with guns in order to sell it to the comrades.
Successive generations have become only more sophisticated. Leftist Jews from the various Marxist and Trotskyist organizations made sure that the Palestinian issue would be segregated from all the other people’s liberation struggles–even while claiming to be anti-Zionist (a word for me that has lost all meaning)–and this lasted up until the first US war on Iraq and then their bleats were limited to that ridiculous slogan that most Americans do not understand, “End the Occupation!” Not a word about stopping US aid to Israel, not a word about AIPAC or the pro-Israel Lobby and when I started speaking about it in the 80s, I found myself marginalized, not only by the faux Jewish solidarity activists but by Palestinian groups, as well, whose leaders had been thoroughly colonized by the Jewish activists and by that pied piper of disinformation. Noam Chomsky, who even Israel Shahak, his old friend, had to admit, served AIPAC’s cause. <www.leftcurve.org/LC29WebPages/Chomsky.html> Not surprisingly, no Jew would debate me regarding the Lobby. Chomsky, even when we were on friendly terms, Joel Beinin, Phyllis Bennis, Mitchell Plitnick and the JVP crowd. Chomsky, Beinin and Bennis, said the same thing, “it wouldn’t be useful.” To whom they didn’t say but I can tell you.
What Gilad has provided is an explanation for this phenomenon and the hysterical responses to what he has written from Jews such as yourself, from Greenstein and Weizfeld and the earlier railing against him by the International Anti-Zionist Jewish Network confirms his theory for which, I assume, he is much appreciative. I have read his book and while I don’t agree with all his conclusions, I do agree with the most important, his analysis of Jewish identity and the problems it creates in the political sphere and not only for the Palestinians. If you do not think that the build-up for a war against Iran and the draconian sanctions against that country and its people have been directed by Jews, inside and outside of the US government, on Israel’s behalf, you are not only in denial, you are part of the problem. If you do not think that the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1948, followed by the 1967 war, and the decades of occupation and dispossession of the Palestinians, are primarily the responsibility of Israeli Jews and their supporters internationally, you are part of the problem since, whatever else you may say or do, you are providing protective cover for the perpetrators.
Jeff Blankfort
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Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Most remarkable blow delivered by Jeff Blankfort to all anti-zionist zionists (AZZs) great and small. As easy to see why GA wished to stop it from being published as it is to understand the importance of disseminating it widely.
Jeff Blankfort dissects AZZ in all its shameful nature and actions and then delivers its compact definition, which is a clear diagnostic test.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 20, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Note to Admin: if and after you do remove that double negative, please delete the last paragraph of my post above.
Roy Bard
May 20, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Fantastic…. does anyone know where/when he said this?
Gilad Atzmon
May 21, 2012 at 9:27 am
I don’t, but I am in love with this little neurotic man from Brighton… I actually cannot live without him anymore…
Lasse Wilhelmson
May 20, 2012 at 8:54 pm
God shot Jeff, u have always been my man
peace
lasse
medusa
May 20, 2012 at 9:08 pm
How do you square the above quote with Paul Bogdanor, a notorious Zionist’s allegation that Tony Greenstein said:
“To my knowledge, Nolte has yet to advocate the mass murder of American Jews. By contrast, Greenstein has announced that ‘If every staffer in AIPAC were to be vaporised tomorrow, alongside Bush, Blair and Cheney, I wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep because they are an anti-Semitic caricature… determined to act out the lines prepared in the Protocols of Elders of Zion”
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism/greenstein/nolte.html
Doesn’t seem to be compatible does it?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Strange that the links to the sources of the quotes for TG do not work but lead you to a “this page does not/no longer exist(s)” line, so whatever TG is alleged to have said cannot be verified. Nevertheless if they are as accurate as the statements attributed to GA, it’s all rubbish.
Sounds like a clumsy “Let’s Muddy the Waters” project.
who_me
May 21, 2012 at 3:03 am
“‘If every staffer in AIPAC were to be vaporised tomorrow, alongside Bush, Blair and Cheney, I wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep because they are an anti-Semitic caricature… determined to act out the lines prepared in the Protocols of Elders of Zion”
that actually square quite well with the greenstain’s pushing of the mantra that israel is a usa colony and aipac is an american organisation to control poor rittle helpless chosens in the usa so they stick with the zionist program. besides, as most israelis do, greenstain would view aipac members as expendable because they are not israelis, but merely diaspora tools. while all loyal zionist jewish people are special to these people, there are grades of “specialness”. those outside israel are less special than israelis, and viewed as ultimately expendable – though much less expendable than their duped sabbath goy tools are, who are mere playthings.
Gilad Atzmon
May 21, 2012 at 9:28 am
consistency is not exactly an AZZ feature..
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 20, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Thanks for including this link.
Extraordinary analysis.
The zionist grateful praise for Chomsky:
“MIT Institute Professor of Linguistics Noam Chomsky recently gave the greatest Hanukkah gift of all to opponents of the divestment campaign against Israel.”
was modest. For Chomsky it is Hannukah every day.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 20, 2012 at 10:33 pm
This link did not show up:
http://www.leftcurve.org/LC29WebPages/Chomsky,html
Roy Bard
May 20, 2012 at 11:38 pm
That’s because of the , after Chomsky
http://www.leftcurve.org/LC29WebPages/Chomsky.html works
medusa
May 21, 2012 at 2:09 am
so isn’t Jeff Blankfort going to provide us with chapter and verse for this damning quote which was allegedly made by Tony Greenstein? If Greenstein really did say that attacks on the pro-Israel Lobby “are the first step towards holocaust denial” then that does indeed raise questions.
If it’s not true then it discredits Jeff Blankfort’s article and the allegation should be excised.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 21, 2012 at 2:47 am
Are you the same Gorgon who writes for CIF? Shouldn’t you then be railing against the”anti-zionist” TG instead of burnishing up his credentials?
who_me
May 21, 2012 at 2:55 am
Ariadna Theokopoulos
“Are you the same Gorgon who writes for CIF?”
cif – closet israel fondlers?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 21, 2012 at 3:10 am
No, they’re way out of the closet, more like
Cavorting
Cacophanous
Take a look:
http://cifwatch.com/about/
Their logo has a mission statement:
“Monitoring and combating antisemitism, and the assault on Israel’s legitimacy, at the Guardian and is blog, “Comment is Free”
and next to it (schizophrenia, hypocrisy, of both?) this lofty quote:
“The voice of opponents no less that that of friends has a right to be heard. ” CP Scott, 1921
A medusa (this one probably) wrote has an article there in which she complains that Palestinians released from Israeli jails look too well-fed and even sun-tanned, whereas Shalit looked gaunt when he was released from Gaza. She is quite a piece of work.
What is she doing here? Has the Guardian’s comment section been cleansed form its “antisemitism” and she has time on her hands?
who_me
May 21, 2012 at 3:35 am
“Take a look:”
lol
that looks pretty far out of the closet, alright. like the green football site – another “bad cop” of the “good cop-bad cop” team. did you see this there?
http://cifwatch.com/2012/03/08/how-to-become-an-anti-zionist-martyr-on-the-pages-of-the-guardian-jenny-tonge-edition/
greenstain doesn’t appear to be very popular with them.
it’s likely some of the people using that site are greenstain friendlies, engaging their “alter troll egos”. many of them like to play the role of the rabid zionazi. that’s what i meant by bad cop-good cop.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 21, 2012 at 4:38 am
Greenstein fares better than Ken:
“an antisemitic extremist, Ken O’Keefe”, compared Jews to Nazis and opined that 9/11 was an Israeli/Mossad conspiracy.”
For the same offense, Greenstein is not “extreme” and not even a self-hating Jew:
former CiF commentator Tony Greenstein – an anti-Zionist who has legitimized comparisons between Nazism and Zionism
who_me
May 21, 2012 at 7:27 pm
“Greenstein fares better than Ken”
i noticed that too.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 21, 2012 at 7:38 pm
She did not come back to enlighten us more. Busy combing the snakes?
Roy Bard
May 21, 2012 at 7:56 am
“Are you the same Gorgon who writes for CIF?”
As ‘medusa’ has appeared from nowhere to demand that the claim be proved or taken down – perhaps its Greenie himself….
Gilad Atzmon
May 21, 2012 at 9:37 am
Roy, Greenstein is shameless, he would appear under his name, Medusa is probably his operator from the Israeli embassy..
Deadbeat
May 21, 2012 at 7:21 am
I’m not so sure that the Zionism to Nazism comparison is all that accurate. At least the Nazis were against usury. The Struggle of NS Germany Against the International Usury – The Law on the Reichsbank 1939
who_me
May 21, 2012 at 8:42 pm
“I’m not so sure that the Zionism to Nazism comparison is all that accurate.”
there are many differences, but it’s about as close a comparison as one can readily find. think of the jewish zionist poligarchy as the nazis, the various goy polygarchs as the equivilent of quislings, keeping the rest of the goys in line, the zionist jewish diaspora of as the nazi bureaucracy maintaining the occupied countries, the bulk of regular jewish people as “good germans” and, finally, the regular goy folk as the untermenschen, there to be exploited by any means necessary, or simply exterminated as necessary.
Deadbeat
May 22, 2012 at 11:23 pm
there are many differences, but it’s about as close a comparison as one can readily find.
I think the constant references to Nazism for Zionism essentially understates the nature of Zionism and is also distorts the actual historical records of National Socialism.
IMO Zionism is far worst than Nazism and Zionism had its hands in both WWI and WWII. Zionism is what dragged the USA into WWI and the Jews “declared war” on Germany in 1933 well before the start of WWII.
What the association of Zionism to Nazism does also is stop causal parties from examining the history of Jews prior to Hitler by maintaining fallacy idea that Hitler was the ultimate evil. There is no real need to look any further and it also maintains the Zionist stereotyping of the Germans; the constant shakedown and domination of their society today by the Holocaust Industry.
who_me
May 23, 2012 at 12:44 am
Deadbeat
well, you got a few good points there, but comparing zionists to nazis has this magical effect upon zionists that is indescribably delicious. ;D
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 23, 2012 at 1:02 am
I agree! he can’t take that away from us!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmoiGZuiFQ
American
May 21, 2012 at 3:05 pm
If every staffer in AIPAC were to be vaporised tomorrow, alongside Bush, Blair and Cheney, I wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep ”
Honestly, neither would I. 65 years of this US zionist crap is beyond too much.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm
The ZPC is larger than even the sum total of its components (of which AIPAC is only the most visible one) because in addition to its connected ‘moving parts’ it encompasses the voluntary corps of sayanim.
medusa
May 21, 2012 at 11:05 pm
No I’m neither Greenstein nor his Israeli operator. does he have one? Are you sure? What’s his name?
All I ask is whether or not there is any proof that he said what Jeff said he said. There is no need to get into some Engage style conversation and cut up. Is Jeff right when he say that ‘As for Greenstein, he has written that attacks on the pro-Israel Lobby “are the first step towards holocaust denial.” ‘
And no I’ve never written for CIF. I suspect Medusa has been borrowed by more than one person. After all it encompasses many snakes.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 21, 2012 at 11:50 pm
“I’ve never written for CIF”
Their loss; you’re a natural. Hop to it.
“I suspect Medusa has been borrowed by more than one person.”
The name of an underworld monster with snakes instead of hair who looked so horrible that whoever chanced to see her turned to stone.
What’s not to like?
medusa
May 22, 2012 at 7:27 am
Beauty my dear Ariadna is in the eye of the beholder. And if you keep this up I may just pay you a visit so that you can feast your eyes on my georgious new hair style. You’ll just love it!
Roy Bard
May 22, 2012 at 8:55 am
1. georgious
most commonly used in the drunken babbaling by an insecure skinny lad from kilsheelan. supposed to be the use of gorgeous and george.
george: do u know what i am?
random person: a drunken fool
george: no im georgious!
Everyone: jesus christ, will someone lock the drinks cabinet
Ariadna Theokopoulos
May 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm
‘The eye of the beholder,” my eye!
Since you are loitering here you should instead read the article Jews Must Clean Their House First.
Who knows, maybe your eyes will unsquint for once and instead of “beauty” you can glimpse the medusa-like horror of the state despised by more and more people around the world every day.
Jay Knott
May 23, 2012 at 10:26 am
There doesn’t appear to be any evidence that Tony Greenstein has ever written that attacks on the pro-Israel Lobby “are the first step towards holocaust denial”. It looks like Jeff Blankfort may have misremembered. Greenstein’s views are a bit more subtle than that:
http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/mersheimer-vindicates-his-critics.html
Here, Greenstein alleges that John Mearsheimer discredits his ‘lobby’ hypothesis by endorsing Gilad Atzmon, who he claims really is a ‘holocaust denier’. He distinguishes carefully between what he says are valid, but wrong, criticisms of the lobby, (Mearsheimer and Walt), and anti-semitism, (the rest of us).
Roy Bard
May 23, 2012 at 11:56 am
“and anti-semitism, (the rest of us).”
Yes – exactly.
I emailed Jeff Blankfort and he is certain that Greenstein did indeed advance the line of argument that attacks on the pro-Israel Lobby “are the first step towards holocaust denial” some years ago, and probably in an email exchange.
Bearing in mind that Greenstein’s sole evidence of my anti-semitism is that I don’t share his rancid reading of Atzmon, I don’t see why people think he has a reliable, consistent and thought-out critique.
I’d believe JB over TG any day of the week.
who_me
May 23, 2012 at 1:39 pm
greenstain, and his various covert zionist allies, use the antisemite tag as frequently, and with the same dishonest intent, as the more obvious hasbara slander bots, such as dershowitz. they vary the way they apply their slurs and misrepresentations to fit the occasion and are all over the spectrum and a lot of it is personal animosity towards the targets of their slurs. i’ve noticed that difference between that crowd and others who share their crypto zionist views, but who are not so psychopathic about attacking anti-zionist views and people. in that sense, greenstain’s group is much more like the typical drooling, rightwing hasbara corps, where instead of relying mostly upon duplication of intellectual dishonesty, as typical “chomsky clones” do, the greenstain’s put a lot more emphasis on ad hominim and misrepresentation of their opponent’s views. often to quite ludicrous and childish extent.
Jay Knott
May 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The post I cited shows TG’s dishonesty. GA says the Protocols are irrelevant, and that lobbyists are quite open about their ‘self-evidential’ methods. TG distorts this into GA saying the PROTOCOLS are ‘self-evidential’. I’m just saying I’ve seen no evidence to back JB’s precise claim; I’m not doubting his general integrity.