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Is it really the ‘Only Democracy in the Middle East’?

by Gilad Atzmon
Wednesday, April 18th, 2012

The ‘Jews Only Democracy’ more likely…
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45 Responses to Is it really the ‘Only Democracy in the Middle East’?

  1. searching

    April 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    I think it better sounds as :
    “the Jews only Demon-cracy”.

  2. Chester

    April 18, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Is that form for real or is Gilad pulling our legs?

    What would we call a country that required visitors to state, “I undertake not to participate in pro-Jewish activity”?

  3. searching

    April 18, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    some general ,wise quote about democracy.
    “Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.”
    Plato

    Was he prophet or what??

  4. aemathisphd

    April 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Well, I think it’s a year too late to continue to call Israel the only democracy in the Middle East. I would like to know answers to the following however:

    (1) Please provide a list of all countries in the world with Arabic-speaking populations of at least 20%.

    (2) Now from the list in (1), provide those countries in which those Arabs can participate in elections and represent their country in their legislature, up to and including the office of prime minister.

    (3) Is it or is it not true that the United States requires immigrants to declare that they are not and have not ever been members of the Communist Party?

    (4) Is the U.S. a democracy?

    Not defending the policy, just looking for factual accuracy and balance.

    Also, see:

    http://972mag.com/new-entry-requirement-to-israel-political-opinion-test/41703/

    • Paul Eisen

      April 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      Sure Israel is a democracy but so was white South Africa.

      • aemathisphd

        April 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm

        Paul, did blacks have the right to vote in Apartheid-era South Africa?

        Indeed, this is precisely why the comparison to Apartheid is so inapt. If you want to make comparisons between S. Africa and the policies in the territories, that’s one thing. Israel’s policies toward its own minority citizens, however, is another.

        • Paul Eisen

          April 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm

          A delightful example of your Talmudic tendencies – and the Telmudic tendencies of Israel itself.

          It’s on much the same level as what I was told as a child – that “the Arabs” (that was what they were called in those days) were not allowed to serve in the Israeli army because we didn’t want to make them fire on their own people.

          • aemathisphd

            April 18, 2012 at 6:05 pm

            That’s a nice way of not answering the question.

            You’re so friggin’ transparent, Paul. You’re like glass, but not as tough.

          • Cosmo

            April 18, 2012 at 8:51 pm

            Druze Arabs and Beduin Arabs join the Army in great numbers. Israeli Arabs are not obliged to join the army but can volunteer if they want to.
            It is indeed an unfair law that descriminate against Jews.
            Arabs and Haredi Jews should either go to the army or do the same time doing community work, such as working in hospitals and so on.

        • ariadna

          April 18, 2012 at 5:59 pm

          “Israel’s policies toward its own minority citizens, however, is another.”

          Can a Palestinian sell his house to a Jew and can a Jew sell his house to a Palestinian in Israel?

          • aemathisphd

            April 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm

            If they are both citizens of Israel, then yes, they can.

            Please provide evidence that they cannot, if you believe so.

    • ariadna

      April 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm

      “Is it or is it not true that the United States requires immigrants to declare that they are not and have not ever been members of the Communist Party?”

      Dishonest comparison. Palestinians are not a political group any more than the Hispanics in the US, they are an ETHNIC group, a minority (now after successful ceaseless ethnic cleansing).
      An accurate parallel would be to replace the word “pro-Palestinian” with “pro-Hispanic”in your question:

      “Is it or is it not true that the United States requires immigrants to declare that they are not members of any pro-Hispanic organization and undertake not to be in contact with any such members.”
      The answer is NO, not true.

      • aemathisphd

        April 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm

        Fair enough, but the form, it turns out, was not a government form.

        • ariadna

          April 18, 2012 at 6:35 pm

          What kind of form is it, then?

        • ariadna

          April 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm

          So it is “fair enough” to say you are a dishonest debater?

          • aemathisphd

            April 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm

            See the link I posted above. Apparently, this form was printed up ad hoc at the particular center at which this person arrived. Ergo, it does not constitute an official policy.

            • ariadna

              April 18, 2012 at 7:17 pm

              A subversive Israeli at a “particular” center did this “ad hoc”?!?

              Is there any limit to the contortions to which you would subject yourself to defend that rancid state and to the absurd inanities you invent as excuses?

              Israel does something that elicits oprobium (like putting numbers on the arms of the Palestinian inmates, nazi camp-fashion) and when exposed it is always an individual initiative, not official policy…

              Do you ever have any dysphagia when swallowing these large pieces of hasbara or has your ingesting capacity been enlarged over the years?

              • aemathisphd

                April 18, 2012 at 9:44 pm

                I didn’t make up that it took place in a single place.

                Look, I’m sorry if the truth bothers your Nazi sensibilities.

                • ariadna

                  April 18, 2012 at 10:41 pm

                  Use the “Nazi!” screech more sparingly, even when it is your last resort. Its overuse in hasbara has rendered it threadbare. Don’t you have access to a thesaurus?
                  It is disappointing to see someone who is eager to let us know how highly educated he is (“Are you aware I have a PhD in English literature?”… priceless and almost touching) having such a pitifully small vocabulary (‘asshole,’ ‘nazi,’ ‘pig’) and supporting his statements with quotes from wikipedia.
                  Apply yourself a bit to improving your ability to express yourself.

                  So… it happened only in one place. Was it a test, do you think?
                  Like the numbers on the arms of the Palestinians kidnapped and imprisoned? If there had been no outrage do you supposed it would have continued?
                  Would you say that on the whole Israel needs to be watched so that everything that happens in “just one place” is exposed?

                  • aemathisphd

                    April 18, 2012 at 10:47 pm

                    Watched? Yes.

                    Watched by the likes of you? No.

                • ariadna

                  April 19, 2012 at 3:34 am

                  True nazi sensibilities displayed here in the state that emulates nazis:
                  http://ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=429:flytilla-israels-real-easter-pilgrims-&catid=40:middle-east&Itemid=93

      • searching

        April 18, 2012 at 6:48 pm

        It is interesting that Jewish people want to keep all the rights and privileges of minorities in other countries ,while in the Almighty state of Israel ,they do and support quite the opposite.
        No wonder that Jesus had the harshest words against Pharisees/hypocrites.
        “You are like snakes! You are like a collection of dangerous snakes! You will not escape God’s punishment in *hell.”
        I am not surprised that Jesus is not likable by some venomous rabbis.

    • Jay Knott

      April 20, 2012 at 4:40 am

      US immigration ceased asking if you were ever a member of the Communist Party about ten years ago. It still asks if you took part in the holocaust! Israel, having expelled most of its non-Jewish population, allows the remaining minority to vote. By excluding most of the legitimate inhabitants of Palestine, it looks like a democracy, comparing it with Arab non-democracies. But Israel is supported, very expensively, by the Western countries. It is uniquely exempted from Western standards of racial equality.

  5. searching

    April 18, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    I just found out that Sweden wants to be the first european country that wants to go completely cashless. No cash involved in any finiancial transaction. Welcome to NWO you stupid Swedes. Sweden is actually a prime example how democracy (demoncracy) brainwashes people to the point that they completely stop thinking for themselves. Waiting for a chip to be inserted??
    Bunch of blond morons.
    Apology to all Swedish people, who do think and object. I know that they exist, but there are such a minority.

  6. Loren Franklin

    April 18, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    The phrase “Jewish Democracy” is an oxymoron. If you are going to use the word Jewish in the signifying phrase, then it must properly be considered a “Jewish Ethnocracy” to be valid as a signifier. A government body controlled by one ethnicity, or named for one ethnicity within the population being governed, cannot be considered a Democracy: not if there is a disparity in the population in question.

    • Eldon

      April 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm

      Atzmon mother is known as a jew hater in Israel, but she works for the government……
      further more, here books are published by the government…….
      well, guess what her situation was in your democratic progressive open minded countries or other countries in the middle east.

      • Loren Franklin

        April 21, 2012 at 4:23 pm

        Talking about a person’s mother in a forum like this beyond the pale. If you have an issue with his mother, then take it up with her in an appropriate manner. But please, show some common decency.

        • Eldon

          April 21, 2012 at 5:18 pm

          Loren

          I don’t have an Issue with his mother, I guess you have an issue,as I gave it as a straight example and as a question, as Atzmon raises his standart Ambivalence regarding Israel Democracy and while his mother lives in Israel, known to be a Jew Hater and been employed by the Israeli government and her books are are published by the Israeli government, in your country, would she get a job in the government.
          You claim that “The phrase “Jewish Democracy” is an oxymoron”, so this is the example especialy for you.
          common decency, is also not to spew into the well you got bread to eat, as his mother payment, that bought his food, came from the Israeli government.

          • Loren Franklin

            April 21, 2012 at 6:00 pm

            If you don’t have an issue with his mother, then why drag her into this discussion? She has a right to her opinion, no matter where she is employed. It is her duty as a citizen of that “so-called democracy” to question it. That’s what a democracy is. More power to her. If she has no right to her voice, then she lives in a totalitarian regime, not a democracy.

            And in America she has a right to publish and sell any book she chooses. If Israel is a democracy as it claims, then she should be able to publish her views there as well, despite the howls of her detractors, or who employes her.

            Show some decency, and leave his mother out of it.

            • ariadna

              April 21, 2012 at 7:13 pm

              “Show some decency”

              You keep making absurd requests

            • Eldon

              April 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm

              Loren

              I bring up his mother, to show him and YOU, what a democracy Israel is.
              Despite the fact, that she is Know as a JEW HATER, she gets a job in the government.
              Show me other democracy, were she would get a job in the government.
              spare your dramatic empty words, she is a JEW HATER and still has a job in the Israeli goverment,as if she was a communist in the US, would she got a job in the government, give me a break.
              Just shows you that Israel is a democracy and even if she hates jews, she is still in her job.
              as I mentioned before, decency is when Atzmon would not spit on the democracy, that gave him food to eat and his mother to be employed by the government.

  7. Jonathon Blakeley

    April 18, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    I like this explanation :-)

  8. searching

    April 18, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    What Israel has could be called rather :
    “the Tyranny of majority” a.k.a ochlocracy .
    Lord Acton used this term, saying:
    “The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.
    —The History of Freedom in Antiquity, 1877″

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

  9. Jonathon Blakeley

    April 18, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    cool…

    Democracy seems over-rated to me anyway. The problem I think is with parliaments, Parliament can be lobbied and bought. If Democracy really was with the people rather than elected corrupt officials then maybe we would be better served.

    • searching

      April 18, 2012 at 10:01 pm

      Democracy was over-rated from the beginning. Socrates was democratically sentenced to death, the same with Jesus ( brainwashed public picked a murderer Barabas over Him). Hitler was also democratically chosen.
      Stalin, before the election said: “There is no democracy like ours” ( of course giving a hint that those, who are not plannning to vote for him will taste the prisoner’s bread).
      Of course he won 100% ,which meant the victory of Soviet’s Demon-cracy.
      People/public, on the other hand, are also very easly to manipulate, deceive, scare etc.
      What we observe right now in the world is democracy turning into a totalitarianism.
      On a mass scale. Are we doomed?? Probably.
      As a group/mass/demos/sheeple ,yes.
      We can only save ourselves as individuals.

  10. searching

    April 18, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Recently somebody compared Zionist’s actions to the Hydra. Hydra with a body placed in Israel,
    and its many-heads spread all over the world.
    If even one head will be cut off , the new one will grow.
    How can you beat that??

    • Eldon

      April 21, 2012 at 5:32 pm

      last time, circa 1938–A Nazi Antisemite cartoon showed an octopus with a Star of David over its head has its tentacles encompass the world..
      Nothing changed, only the octopus changed into a Hydra.
      you share the same mind and thinking.
      did I say you are a Nazi to NO, you admit it.

  11. searching

    April 18, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    I don’t want to flatter anybody, but I love this song :)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc9iweHbXBc&feature=related

    • ariadna

      April 21, 2012 at 3:16 am

      Great performance.
      And what bad shades on the Boss!

      • searching

        April 21, 2012 at 1:11 pm

        Oh,, you don’t like them??
        It’s a gift from Zebra’s Association:))
        Cute:)

  12. Eldon

    April 19, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Mr. Atzmon juggling rhetoric is not just well known, but is pathetic, that’s why those who know his retoric games are already familiar, that he speaks and writes according to the audience…….
    You will find all over his articles the following:
    Atzmon quotes:
    Israel is a democracy and that implies that Israeli citizens are complicit in Israeli atrocities………..
    Because Israel is a democracy…….
    Since Israel is a democracy…………
    It is a fact that Israel is a ‘democracy’………
    Israel is a democracy led by a centre-left national unity government…………”

    Well suddenly now it is not.
    Guess his memory is getting weak and he dosen’t remember the juggling routine, its the same, that sometimes he is an Ex-Jew while when its good for the cause, he is a part of the tribe, as its part of the rhetoric juggling.

  13. who_me

    April 21, 2012 at 2:36 am

    israeli a democracy?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX_XC90-bQE

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