Iran:- Assad uses Israel as “red herring” to spread Shiite hegemony
The dark embrace between the clerical regime in Tehran and the murderous cultist regime of Bashar Assad in Syria speaks volumes. The Iranian regime claims to be representing Islam and upholding the virtues of justice and freedom. However, in truth, Tehran and its allies in Lebanon and Iraq are effectively embracing one of the most nefarious regimes under the sun.
According to reliable news reports, Iran is providing the cultist regime in Damascus with more than lethal weapons to crush a popular revolution, demanding an end to decades of Alawite tyranny and terror.
Iran actually has been sending “volunteers,” military advisors and other terrorists who have been involved in murdering Syrian civilians, including women and children.
Last week, at least three members of Hezbullah were laid to rest in the southern neighborhood in Beirut. The three Shiite Shabbiha or thugs were killed while trying to repress protests demanding the downfall of the regime.
In Iraq, an undisclosed number of militiamen affiliated with the so-called Mehdi army, a Shiite militia answerable to the Iraqi cleric-turned-politician Muqtada al-Sadr were also buried in Iraq recently, having been killed in Syria while fighting on the side of Bashar Assad troops.
It is really hard to think of a plausible motive behind the absolute and unlimited backing by Iran and its Shiite Ithna Ashari (the twelvers) allies of a quasi atheistic and secular regime such as that of the Alawite minority in Damascus. A regime that belongs to the family of Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, and Adolph Hitler and history’s other mass murderers.
Indeed, until quite recently, most Iranian clerics considered the Alawites heretical and apostates due to their anthropomorphistic doctrine. The Alawites believe that Ali Ibn Abu Taleb, the prophet Muhammed’s cousin and son-in-law was God incarnate. The Alawites actually pray to Ali, not to Allah, as the Ithna Asharis do, although with clear polytheistic proclivities. (for example, they beseech, implore, and make supplications to Ali), which is considered by most other Muslims a form of polytheism or associating other gods with God.
Some Shilogists (scholars specialized in the study of the Shiite sects-historically more than 70 sects) argue that Iran is endearing itself to the Alawites in Syria in the hope of returning them to the Ithna Ashari fold. Others, claim that political and strategic considerations stand behind Iran’s embrace of the Assad regime, namely the undeclared Iranian plan to create the so-called Shiite Crescent, which includes Iran, Iraq, Lebanon (Hizbullah) and Syria to counter the main Sunni powers in the region, including Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
Iran carefully avoids any statements or signals suggesting harboring sectarian designs against Sunni powers. Instead, it accuses its critics of being “Wahhabis” or implementing, knowingly or unknowingly,the Zionist agenda.
In truth, however, Iran and its allies, including the Assad regime, are using Israel and the Palestinian plight as a mere red herring to divert attention from the real thing, namely their strategic designs to spread Shiite hegemony at the expense of Sunnis.
After all, the Syrian regime never fired a single bullet toward Israel ever since the 1973-war, and the liberation of the Golan Heights seems to be the last item on its goals and strategic priorities.
In the final analysis, one can safely assume that Iran’s deep historical animosity toward the Sunnis, especially Sunni Arabs, not its infatuation with the Alawite minority, stands behind the Islamic republic’s backing of the manifestly murderous regime of Bashar Assad.
Moreover, Iran obviously wants to avenge its failure in Bahrain to overthrow the pro-American and pro-Saudi Khalifa dynasty in order to create a small Shiite republic at Tehran’s beck and call.
Needless to say, the lebensraum-like Iranian designs in Iran are the main reason the so-called “Bahraini revolution” has received very little support and sympathy in the Arab world. So the heavy but not so-brazen Iranian implication in Syria may well be considered a kind of quid-pro-quo to avenge the “Sunni” crackdown on the Shiite revolt in Bahrain.
Indeed, a casual surfer of Shiite sites on the net would get the impression that large-scale massacres of Shiites have been taking place in Bahrain at the hands of the government there. The truth, however, is that in more than 16 months of disturbances and violent protests, less than 40 protesters were killed. We believe that the loss of even a single human being is too much. However, it would be dishonest and unethical to lump the Syrian and Bahraini situations in one category. After all, Syria is undergoing a real slow-motion genocide where the number of civilians, murdered and decapitated by the regime and its thugs in just one day or even one hour , exceeds by far the number of Shiites killed in Bahrain in a year and a half of violent protests aimed at throwing the Khalifa dynasty and transforming the small emirate into a Shiite republic.
Traditionally, the Shiites pride themselves on identifying themselves withy the oppressed and the down-trodden. However, when it comes to Sunni Muslims, the Shiites, especially the Iranians, have not hesitated to embrace the most murderous regimes on earth and ally themselves with invaders and occupiers of Muslim land. The warm Shiite alliance with the invading American armies in Iraq is just one example of many.
The Shiites often invoke the martyrdom of Hussein, the grandson of the Prophet, as a decisive, historical landmark battle between the forces of good and evil. This battle is reenacted every year during the Shiite commemoration of the battle of Karbula, which took place in the year 680 between Imam Hussein, his family and few supporters on the one hand and the forces of the Umayyad king Yazid, on the other, which ended with the death of Hussein.
Obviously, all Muslims. Shiites and Sunnis alike, believe Justice was on Hussein’s side. However, the Shiites held and continue to hold the entire Muslim Umma, including Muslims of our time, responsible and guilty for what happen more than 1300 years ago, an illogical and irrational attitude reflecting historical vengeance and hatred.
There is no doubt that the Shiites of our time are siding with and embracing the Yazid of our time, namely the murderous and Nazi-like regime of Bashar Assad.
This dark embrace, this evil alliance, can never be tolerated, let alone forgiven. The Shiites have simply blown up all bridges of unity with their Sunni Muslim brothers and neighbors. And no amount of lies, propaganda, and disinformation or prevarication will succeed in blurring or obliterating this perfidy.
I do realize that there are decent Shiites who don’t condone the evil acts of the Assad regimes. These are a small numerical minority but we do salute for their rectitude and honesty. However, it is a fact that the bulk of Shiites, including the clergy, support, even enthusiastically, the genocidal crimes of the Syrian regime, which really draws a serious question mark about the Shiites’ human and moral credentials.
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what is this secterian trash? can you substantiate anything you said in your article? how are you different to the baraks and the netenyahoos and the neocons with this kind of ignorant talk, which only benefits the zionist plans?
maybe he is a zionist??
“what is this sectarian trash?”
A question that contains its own answer.
From Haaretz: my comments are in square brackets
“Six years after the outbreak of the Second Lebanon War, the IDF is saying openly that Israel is preparing for another Lebanon war.
The commander of the IDF’s 91st Division, Brigardier-General Hertzi Halevy told journalists on Thursday, “We understand that there is more than one factor, whether this is Lebanese, or whether it will come from somewhere else, that can ignite the border here.”
The 91st Division, part of the Northern Command, and responsible for the front with Lebanon, sees developments in Syria as one of the [USEFUL] factors that could upset the calm that has prevailed in the region since the war {DESPITE OUR ALMOST DAILY VIOLATIONS OF LEBANESE AIRSPACE].
The collapse of the Syrian regime [WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO OBTAIN] may also bring with it an increase in Jihadi or Hezbollah operatives, who may try to carry out targeted attacks in the area [OR SO WE WILL SAY].
Already, Northern Command intelligence says certain areas of the border between Lebanon and Syria are “lawless zones,” which enable the transfer of more advanced weapons into the region [FROM OUR OPERATIVES TO SYRIA'S SO-CALLED REBELS].
In IDF simulations of what a third Lebanon war would look like, ground maneuvers in villages that are considered bastions of Shiite Hezbollah become particularly important. “The next war will be different [WE WILL NOT BE RUN OUT TAIL BETWEEN OUR LEGS BY HEZBOLLAH], and therefore we should stop it as quickly as possible, in order to make things easier for the home front. This means carrying out a very strong attack against Lebanon, and the damage will be enormous [THAT'S OUR DREAM],” says a senior officer in the Northern Command.
“It is really hard to think of a plausible motive behind the absolute and unlimited backing by Iran and its Shiite Ithna Ashari (the twelvers) allies of a quasi atheistic and secular regime such as that of the Alawite minority in Damascus. ”
It probably is not hard, but impossible, for someone completely blinded by sectarianism or else you would have tumbled down to it. Duh!
‘Indeed, until quite recently, most Iranian clerics considered the Alawites heretical and apostates due to their anthropomorphistic doctrine…’
source please.
‘The Alawites believe that Ali Ibn Abu Taleb, the prophet Muhammed’s cousin and son-in-law was God incarnate.’
source please. and you might want to add that to the wiki on ‘Alawis’, because they missed this fundamental tenet of faith out..
‘The Alawites actually pray to Ali, not to Allah, as the Ithna Asharis do, although with clear polytheistic proclivities. (for example, they beseech, implore, and make supplications to Ali),’
FYI, the followers of Ahlul Bayt (progeny of the Holy Prophet), beseech Allah through all 12 Imams and the Holy Prophet, just as Omar beseeched him through Al Abbas when praying for rain. check your sources.
‘which is considered by most other Muslims a form of polytheism or associating other gods with God.’
MOST other muslims?? or your salafi takfiri Ibn Taymiyah friends??!! again, check your sunni sources.
How timely! Curioser and curioser:
“WikiLeaks on Thursday began publishing more than two million emails from Syrian ministries of presidential affairs, foreign affairs, finance, information, transport, culture and companies .
…
The statement quoted WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange as saying: “The material is embarrassing to Syria, but it is also embarrassing to Syria’s opposition,” Reuters news reported.
“It helps us not merely to criticize one group or another, but to understand their interests, actions and thoughts. It is only through understanding this conflict that we can hope to resolve it,” the website’s founder Julian Assange said.
According to WikiLeaks , the emails date from August 2006 to March 2012.
…
Meanwhile, three senior Syrian officers, including a general, were assassinated Wednesday by gunmen in different parts of Syria, said the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights (SOHR) on Thursday.
A brigadier general was assassinated on the road linking the capital Damascus to Soueida, a Druze region in the south, and a colonel was killed in the province of Hama (center). The third officer, a commander, was killed on the road to Aleppo (north).
“Each of them was driving when they were fired upon by armed men,” said the president of the SOHR Rami Abdel Rahman.
On Wednesday, at least 99 people, mostly civilians, were killed in the on going violence. The dead include two generals who were killed in the fighting.
Also on Wednesday, A Syrian general and a number of soldiers defected and crossed into Turkey, a Turkish diplomat told AFP.
The diplomat told to AFP that a total of 66 people fled into Turkey from Syria on Wednesday, including the general and two colonels as well as soldiers and their families.
More as it becomes available.
Sources: http://wikileaks.org/syria-files/
if assange/wikileaks is an israeli front, it could be embarrassing if equador denies his sanctuary. this would force israel’s quislings to follow through with their various prosecutions of assange. if they let him off, it would look strange, considering all the effort being made to nab him. if they do prosecute, assange may rebel and squeal. it is strange also that equador is taking so long to make up their decision since initially, they seemed to say it would be decided very quickly – but that may have been the way the media reported what they said.
“if they let him off, it would look strange, considering all the effort being made to nab him. if they do prosecute, assange may rebel and squeal”.
But either way, the hypothesis of the conspiracy trolls will have been proven: Assange supports Zionism, because he doesn’t believe in the deliberation loony party line. It must be true, because it can’t be falsified.
Jay Knott
“But either way, the hypothesis of the conspiracy trolls will have been proven: Assange supports Zionism, because he doesn’t believe in the deliberation loony party line. It must be true, because it can’t be falsified.”
that is pretty sad.
‘that is pretty sad’. I agree.
“The dark embrace between the clerical regime in Tehran and the murderous cultist regime of Bashar Assad in Syria speaks volumes.”
chalabi jr. strikes again. israel must pay him by the word.
This article is one of the worst cases of pure brainwashing, bolshevic style propaganda.
Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot would love it.
B–lSh-t added on BS added on BS.
Smells like Mossad being here
Here is the article worth reading.
Actually it is a MUST!!!!http://www.infowars.com/shocking-videos-reveal-truth-behind-syrian-freedom-fighters/
Khalid, you are spreading awful , outright lies. Whom do your serve??
Who is your real Maaaster??
Assad is a Baathist regardless of whether the Alawites are presently calling themselves Muslims or presently aligning themselves with Sunnis or Shia.
With the present Islamic revival hopefully all these Arab nationalistic parties will die out.
The Shia got into trouble very quickly in Egypt after the revolution when they started promoting shia Islam.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=52392
and Laura-the useful idiot, is dancing with joy. The war is coming, the war is coming.
Oh, I am so happy. Soon Syria will be attackted and those bad Alawites will be destroyed.
Oh ,I am so happy.
And then Iran will be attacked, and those bad Shia wil be destroyed.
I , Laura, love it.
The war is coming , oh ,I am so, so happy.
I am almost orgasmic.
and then ,the Islam will be revived.
Searching you are a sick individual.
No, YOU ARE.You are so blinded by your narrow sectarian views that you are willing to side even with Zionists as long as there is hope that they fulfill your sick wished and desires.
You did not mind NATO bombing Libya as it shows here:
http://www.deliberation.info/freedom-syrians-inevitable/
Iam sure you are stomping your little feet inpatiently ,waiting for NATO to attack Syria.
You would be DELIGHTED. And don’t lie.!!!
You want this to happen.
Under a cover of a peaceful lamb you are a true wolf.
You are as disgusting as Madeleine Albright ,who said that death of many Iraq childer was worth the cause.
“WE think the price was worth it”
For bloddy sectarian like you ,slaughtering innocent Syrians by so called rebeles, aka hired mercenaries , is just a necessary transition to install Sunni Islam Bortherhood.
I have ZERO respect for people like you. ZERO.
People are dying or hadn’t you noticed? Just as people were dying in Libya at the hands of Gaddafi’s forces.
The people of Libya asked for NATO intervention did they have a right to ask for help in the face of what was happening on the ground? To THEM? In their own country?
Perhaps the people of Libya have no right to choose and the people of Syria don’t either just you Searching have a right to tell them what is best for them?
Laura means SOME of the people of Libya. Especially the ones who were being killed by the government for trying to overthrow it.
If it made sense to refer to ‘the people’ asking for this or that, then it makes sense to say they might ask for NATO. But it doesn’t.
The Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador is long enough, without changing it to The Committee in Solidarity with a Sizeable Number of the People of El Salvador. There are also people in El Salvador who welcomed US intervention. The left don’t recognize them as people, and I guess the same is true here of some of Laura’s critics.
“There are also people in El Salvador who welcomed US intervention. The left don’t recognize them as people, and I guess the same is true here of some of Laura’s critics.”
When you are in quicksands up to your neck, Jay, writhing like this only makes you sink deeper.
How does it go? The US military intervention and ‘regime changes’ are not a black-and-white issue to be squarely condemned because some people welcome them. Only “Laura’s critics” are so unable to think logically that they would not recognize the Chalabies of this world “as people.”
Pity. You could been a contender, you could have been somebody. aema, from outside the gates, peering in on his tiptoes to watch you, had such hopes you would avenge him. You dashed them.
“US military intervention… not a black-and-white issue to be squarely condemned because some people welcome them.”
I didn’t say that. I said some people welcomed them. I didn’t say whether those people’s views should be condemned or not.
Neither did I say “Laura’s critics”. I said “SOME of Laura’s critics”. You only have to look up the page to see what I mean.
I miss Mathis, despite his views. He could read, write and reason.
“I miss Mathis, despite his views. He could read, write and reason.”
His views were just minor quarrels to kiss and make up over though, clearly, hence the nostalgia.
I think a blog where you two could post your billets doux is in order.
Here’s the debate between me and Mathis:
http://pacificaforum.org/continued-from-walt-forum
I disagree with him, but I can’t deny his ability to reason, muster facts, etc.. It’s more depressing when people I mostly agree with politically, like you, fall into stupidity, sectarianism and Stalinism.
I DID just say some people welcomed US intervention. Whether or not this is ‘pure Mathis’, it’s true. Or are you trying to construct a new political correctness, where factual accuracy is irrelevant?
PS I don’t miss aema. I did in the beginning but then I realized he LIVES. In you.
Arguments like : I just said “some” people welcomed the US intervention, I didn’t say they were right. I juts said some did and they are people too” are pure aema.
Jay Knott
“The left don’t recognize them as people, and I guess the same is true here of some of Laura’s critics.”
whom do you hate the most? those on the left? or those critical jews (not zionism, jews)?
“or those critical jews (not zionism, jews)?”
or those critical of jews (not zionism, jews)?
I noticed that many of those “massacres” are staged by your beloved “freedom fighters”. Those, who you protect cause the biggest, bloodiest damage and destruction to Syrian nation/people.
And people like you and Khalid, who spread anti-Assad propaganda , indirectly support this blood- shed which is pre-planned, organised, financed by Zionist Power.
You are nothing but a Zionist’s confidant/ enabler, Laura.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
This is another example of what I call, for want of a better phrase, ‘Stalinism’: “And people like you and Khalid, who spread anti-Assad propaganda , indirectly support this blood- shed which is pre-planned, organised, financed by Zionist Power.”
In the Western enlightenment approach to ideas, you can’t accuse people of murder because you disagree with their analysis of an event. ‘Analysis’ is an overstatement – people who haven’t a clue what’s going on in a faraway country just assume it’s all ‘Zionist Power’, and anyone who disagrees is in league with it.
This is reminiscent of the Soviet Union and its leftist followers.
“This is another example of what I call, for want of a better phrase, ‘Stalinism’”…
everything is stalinism that doesn’t agree with the pro-fascist establishment/pro-jewish views of jay knott.
Another article here.
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/mp-submits-motion-shia-tide-egypt
already, the first century of Islam (the religion, not islam – acceptance of Divine Will, which has not yet been widely practised on this particular planet) was beset by treachery, war, bloodthirsty feuds…
there is no truth to be found in any of its sects. their mutual suspicions, even hatreds, well warn the rest of the world to back off…no spiritual teaching here.just the usual human strife, greed, ego, megalomania, bigotry, self-righteousness, and the attempted suppression of the just. only the sufis have the secret. but who are really the sufis? are they to be found sitting comfortably on the board of the Sufi Corporation of…[insert location]?
if God lived on earth, people would throw stones at His windows – Franz Kafka
since one submitted to the Divine will seeks to spread love, truth and enlightenment, and thus make clear a path for approaching God, sectarian Muslims (‘followers’ of ‘Islam’) of whatever persuasion, have nothing to do with islam.
this ubiquitous (theological) misconception, the confusion of Muslim (an ethnosociological category) with islam (the, incompletely attainable in this life, condition of submission to Allah) makes almost all contemporary discussion of politics, insofar as it turns on axes of ideology, completely worthless. you may as well see things as they are. naked power struggles between entrenched groups of rapacious pirates, and the brutal repression of attempted mutinies by oppressed crews.
the ones who suffer are always normal (non-psychopathic) human beings, whether they appear in the media guise of ordinary people or innocent victims.
by their fruits shall ye know them.
and by their phrases. anyone using the term innocent vicims should wonder, just every once in a while, why the phrase guilty victims seems so much less popular than its sibling.
little things like this, lacunae of moral vacuity in the phrases we use everyday, if duly attended to, are sufficient to allow us to begin the deconstruction of the entire jungle of overblown hype which passes for ‘political debate’.
ffs all of you, stop taking sides. stop the hypocritical hand-wringing of phrases like the loss of even a single human being is too much
as for Khalid’s murderous Nazi regime!!!….
nearly all regimes are thus. n’est-ce pas? tu sais? non???
what we need is FACTS, and a typology. does regime A specialize in murdering its own citizens, or those of another country? what methods of murder does it prefer? how much are different murderers paid? does it place more value on the deaths of children or adults? who, amongst the great and good, should sit on the committees regulating media coverage of the murders, images etc, should the screams of children be muted so as not to disturb viewers with psychiatric illnesses? is some religious or ethnic group especially favoured by being murdered more frequently? ought they to pay extra taxes for this privilege? how can religion help in showing that murder is pleasing to God?
merde du taureau. lobbies. factions. sects, secret societies, political parties… all are, in one way or another, willingly or unwittingly, outrageous LIARS.
get real.
Ahmadinejad and Assad talk on the phone. (It doesn’t matter who says what–they’re interchangeable tyrants)
A: I have an idea. Let’s use Israel as a red herring.
A: A gefilte herring?
A: No, no, it’s an expression they use in the West for something that distracts attention.
A: Explain, please.
A: Let’s pretend Israel is a threat.
A: But it is!
A: You’re telling me?! I mean let’s pretend we don’t believe it is a threat but only pretend to believe it is.
A: I don’t know. It sounds talmudic to me. What for?
A: To spread shia! Duh!
A: Brilliant!
See how the article could have been improved by direct speech?
I think the autor of this article is a secret, undercover , bought out Israeli agent.
Only THAT would explain his manipulative, full of lies, distortions and make believe propaganda piece.
IT is a pity that dekliberation falls so low as to publish this kind of pitiful cr-p.
Maybe Khalid Amayreh should change his name to “Khalid Amayreh Goebbles”.
After all Khalid uses all pitiful techniques of the propaganda master.
Whenever the world perpetrator is set against someone , whenever it has found a new victim to itself , a new prey , we see people rushing to identify the victim as Black or White or Alawite or Buddhist giving thus a justification to the scarificing monster . We forget that this has happened before to someone who did not have these characteristics, and the next in the long list will have to be us ,because these characteristics have nothing to do with the decision to sacrifice . The victim could be any one or anything, what is important is that the world establishment had taken the decision to do away with someone not because of some characteristics but for reasons that are totally alien to us. For this reason they did away with the Native Indians and the Black Africans and the Vietnamese and the Palestinians and the Iraqis and so many others and the list will not end. Therefore the Syrian dictator is us. We are the Syrian dictator.
I could not agree more. The only amendment I would make would be to say: SYRIA IS US.
Saddam Hussein was not “us” but Iraq was, and so was Libya, but capitalized “us”– US– and more correctly put USrael demonized them, as they demonize Assad now, to accomplish their “slaughter-devastate-and grab” goals.
Because it is Syria that is under attack; Assad is only the pretext.
What they want to grab is Syria, and Assad is the obstacle.
It is not the business of anyone else except Syrians themselves to judge Assad, replace him or not.
Anyone joining in the anti-Assad propaganda game is an intentional or a deluded enabler of the next war and enslavement.
But Gaddafi was “our friend” Jack Straw even signed over a human being to him for torture and imprisonment.
here is a very intersting view on how the utopian masters promise to build a utopian society .
The evil masters of the world are copying the achivements of their great grandfathers.
Now they decided to put a whole humanity on the altar as a offering for Satan, in exchange for more power and money.
For the Power Elite people are nothing , pesky niuance, easy to scare, easy to indoctrinate, easy to enslave, easy to destroy.
We ARE in the hands of global psychopaths aided by many brainwashed, ignorant, useful idiots ,
( we have few of them here , on delib., they are very vocal).
http://www.infowars.com/dr-russell-blaylock-obamacare-is-mandated-social-engineering/
That’s a good observation. A good beginning, Laura. Keep on.
They were all “our friends”–or rather our tools, as long as they served: Saddam Hussein, Gaddhafi, and in South America despite the lack of muslims we had good friends too: think Norriega and before him Torrizos, etc.
Then there are good friends who, while they “kill their own people” (with CIA-trained torturers) are “authoritarian,” or “strong-arm regimes” like the Shah and Mubarak, but if they lose their grip on power and we must accept their departure we seem to discover what horrible human rights abuser they were.
It is far, far preferable to be Usrael’s enemy than it s”friend.”
My advice to any country that has any attraction like a strategic position and/or natural energy resources is simple:
–Get nuclear weapons asap.
–Make few but cryptic and even irrational public statements because nothing scares them more than an undecipherable opponent they find “inscrutable (see China) and unpredictable (the quondam Soviet union)–amenable to being neither bought nor threatened with annihilation with imopunity.
It should not be allowed to describe Assad as a killer and a dictator without proving it or providing evidence . This slander that is totally unfounded is really out of place and should not be permitted in a medium that respects itself and respect truth and seeks to inform people about the real situation .
ASSAD is neither a killer nor a dictator and this circus should stop in some way . This is disrespectful of people’s intelligence . Let’s get rid of Assad the same way we got rid of Saddam and Kaddhafi and it’s OK if we kill some 1.5 millions people on the job . Any one who caters to this is a criminal himself adding fire to the fuel , anyone justifying this by way of religion or sect is a criminal himself who bears equal responsibility for what is happening .
Assad is No killer and I speak from the ground and know who kills and who is getting killed. This is all about money and has nothing to do with anything else . Everything has a price and every crime committed by the Syrian opposition is rewarded
I can post as many links to human rights groups who have evidence of torture going back years but thre is no point because you will not believe them just as people like Searching and Who-me will not believe them because it does not serve your purpose.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/13/maher_arar_my_rendition_torture_in
‘Democracy Now’ is run by Amy Goodman, a Jewish lefty who’s soft on Israel, therefore everything on that program is hasbara.
This dude probably tortured himself, to make Syria look bad. Some people will do anything for a shekel.
Don’t you get it yet, Laura?
“There is no point because you will not believe them just as people like Searching and Who-me will not believe them because it does not serve your purpose”. Come on, Laura, that’s a bit harsh!
It sounds like you’re accusing commenters of selecting evidence, failing to attempt to falsify their beliefs, and sticking to their pre-set agenda regardless. And you forgot Ariadna, whose scientific training adds much credibility to the party line.
Aside from this bit of saliva spraying:
“like you, fall into stupidity, sectarianism and Stalinism”
which I ignore–you have to vent somehow after all– what I note is that you’ve gone straight into inventions and actual lies, Jay:
1. “Ariadna, whose scientific training adds much credibility to the party line”
If you can show me a post where I EVER made a reference to my training, I will apologize, otherwise you should. It is DISHONEST to invent other posters’ background in order to deride it. Incidentally, it is a zionist tactic but who knows, it may be a coincidence.
2. You really lie when you pretend anyone here–certainly not I–has ever even as much as discussed Assad’s involvement in CIA/Pentagon rendition. In fact I wrote that all these were quondam “friends” of the US, therefore tools to be used.
You are really IN EFFECT lying by misrepresenting the position of those who are AGAINST USrael’s military intervention as being pro-Assad.
Stop lying about this people’ business, not USrael’s.
Is that all you have left now? Outright lying? Pathetic
Ariadna – my post which you respond to just consists of sarcastic remarks, not purported statements of fact, so I don’t see how it can contain lies. I didn’t say you claim to have a scientific background – somehow I got the impression that you do in fact have one. I just said it’s depressing when people like you fall into the ‘party line’: “Anyone joining in the anti-Assad propaganda game is an intentional or a deluded enabler of the next war and enslavement”. That’s the kind of argument the communists used under Stalin to shut down debate.
“my post which you respond to just consists of sarcastic remarks, not purported statements of fact,”
I think you have a wrong understanding of the term “sarcasm”–it does not cover MISSTATEMENTS OF FACT AND OUTRIGHT LIES, to be subsequently labeled “sarcasm.”
“Somehow I got the impression..” yet you statde your “impression as fact. What else do you apply that to?
“I don’t see how it can contain lies.”
I’ll explain. You misstate the anti-USrael intervention in Syria of all non-Arab posters here as “pro-Assad” and consistently divert the dialog to Assad’s crimes. I cannot believe you cannot read properly statements like:
“SYRIA IS US. Saddam Hussein was not “us” but Iraq was, and so was Libya, but capitalized “us”– US– and more correctly put USrael, demonized them, as they demonize Assad now, to accomplish their “slaughter-devastate-and grab” goals.
Because it is Syria that is under attack; Assad is only the pretext.
What they want to grab is Syria, and Assad is the obstacle.
It is not the business of anyone else except Syrians themselves to judge Assad, replace him or not.”
Therefore you are doing it on purpose. There is only one purpose that could serve, as I said: ” Anyone joining in the anti-Assad propaganda game is an intentional or a deluded enabler of the next war and enslavement.”
Since I don’t believe you are either deluded or stupid, all your absurd cries of “Stalinists” attacking you are only a very inadequate cover-up of your real position.
If you could convince me that you are stupid, I would reconsider my conclusion.
Ariadna claims I “misstate the anti-USrael intervention in Syria of all non-Arab posters here as ‘pro-Assad’ and consistently divert the dialog to Assad’s crimes.”
Not me. I just parodied some of the Stalinist-style criticisms of Laura Stuart’s arguments.
“What they want to grab is Syria, and Assad is the obstacle.” I’ve never disputed that statement. I’ve always opposed US attacks on Arab and other countries.
Not so fast, Hasbara Breath.
1. The role of dispassionate analyzer of the logical linking of arguments, hypotheses and judgments at the abstract level which you choose to play suffers from the actor’s ziohalitosis.
You are, however, a careful dissembler, I’ll grant you that. When you say:”I’ve always opposed US attacks on Arab and other countries.” that cannot be contradicted. Quick shell game but not quick enough.
The key word is “US.” You are a big boy on the US imperialism criticism. What nettles you is any suggestion that it is not that, but a ZIONIST war carried out at the behest of Israel by the US/UK.
2. On Syria:
a. Those who truly oppose foreign military intervention in Syria talk about the FOREIGN MILITARY INTERVENTION.
b. Those who support it talk about ASSAD’s crimes, displacing attention to the PRETEXT for the war.
You fall in (b)
OK, I admit it. Adriana wrote “What THEY want to grab is Syria, and Assad is the obstacle”. I responded that I always oppose US attacks on other countries. This was a Freudian slip, revealing that I believe that the USA’s attacks are really Israeli-inspired, and I support them.
It’s true that I did mention the Syrian government co-operating with the CIA to torture a Canadian guy at some point – this was actually a pretext for my support for the US/Israeli war against the Syrian people. Thanks for the clarification, Dolores Ibárruri II.
That is a response that would make aema’s eyes brim with tears of pride.
“a. Those who truly oppose foreign military intervention in Syria talk about the FOREIGN MILITARY INTERVENTION.
b. Those who support it talk about ASSAD’s crimes, displacing attention to the PRETEXT for the war.”
sharp observation of how the hasbara works.
Laura Stuart
July 6, 2012 at 11:09 pm
democracy now. great jewish-zionist source of information. they have yet to meet a zionazi covert destabilisation operation they couldn’t support. or grant money offered from a rightwing, fascist “trust fund”.
good to see you relying upon jewish zionist sources to support your independent anti-zionist/pro-palestinian speils, laura. very convincing.
A sterling performance Who-Me which was entirely predicatable. I already said the sources won’t be believed so was ahead of you – maybe setting you up;)
. . .
the guardian, great jewish source of zionazi disinformation which portrays itself as leftwing, liberal and neutral while disseminating fascist, rightwing jewish-zionist propaganda. . . .
Who-me I do not think C.I.F. Watch would agree with you
http://cifwatch.com/
Welcome to CiF Watch, dedicated to monitoring antisemitism and combating the assault on Israel’s legitimacy at the Guardian and its ‘Comment is Free’ blog.
Laura Stuart Reply
“Who-me I do not think C.I.F. Watch would agree with you
http://cifwatch.com/
Welcome to CiF Watch, dedicated to monitoring antisemitism and combating the assault on Israel’s legitimacy at the Guardian and its ‘Comment is Free’ blog.”
that is like using the views of jewish run aim or camara to claim the american jewish run corporate media is a bunch of antisemitic, leftwing stalinists working for al qaida.
didn’t anybody tell you that bath salts are for bathing in, not eating?
btw, laura stuart, don’t you think memri is doing a heck of a job monitoring the arab media?
Laura – the fact that the Guardian comes under assault from such as Cifwatch does not disprove the hypothesis that it has a Zionist bias. A common technique of Zionists is to make hysterical attacks on those slightly critical of Israel. This makes the latter feel they are doing something useful. When Noam Chomsky gets abuse from the right, it makes it look like he’s a radical. I don’t mean it’s a conspiracy, of course :0
I don’t read newspapers Jay so I really wouldn’t know. I can only report that commentators on Harry’s Place seem to feel that the Guardian is rabidly anti semitic which is no indication that it actually is. CIF watch seems to be able to get the Guardian to apologise and retract quite a lot. Bullying tactics do work.
“Some suspects have alleged they were tortured in the countries to which US rendition crews took them. In the words of former CIA agent Robert Baer: “If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria. If you want someone to disappear – never to see them again – you send them to Egypt.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/31/extraordinary-rendition-backstory
the guardian, great jewish source of zionazi disinformation which portrays itself as leftwing, liberal and neutral while disseminating fascist, rightwing jewish-zionist propaganda.
According to Wikipedia, in 2002, a Canadian who was born in Syria was sent to Syria by the US authorities, who thought he was an al-Qaeda terrorist, and tortured: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar
But al-Qaeda doesn’t exist, 9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation, and the USA is controlled by Jews, who are trying to overthrow the Syrian government. So the Wikipedia entry above must be Zionist propaganda.
Jay Knott Reply
July 6, 2012 at 11:32 pm
“According to Wikipedia…”
independent source, neutral and free of zionazi influence.
when one resorts to wikipedia, a jewish-zionist dominated dissinformation site masquerading as a “people’s encyclopedia”, they’re admitting two basic things.
1. they are clueless about the subject at hand and feeling lazy.
2. they are happy to let jewish zionists do their thinking for them.
OK, I would like to correct my comment above:
“A non-Canadian who was not born in Syria wasn’t sent to Syria by the US authorities, who didn’t think he was an al-Qaeda terrorist, and he wasn’t tortured”.
9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation”
This seems to be what gives you conniptions more than anything else.
I don’t blame you
Does the phrase “9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation” give me ‘conniptions’ more than anything else? I suppose it does make me even angrier than the original truther idea that the US government did it, because it’s even more complicated; it’s astronomically unlikely. It makes me angry because people protesting against real Israeli crimes holding up signs saying “Israel did 9/11″ make the Palestinian cause look nuts.
You never explained it this clearly before. so:
People who bought the 9/11 Commission Report Conspiracy Theory* seeing signs with the message “Israel Did 9/11″ will conclude that the Palestinian cause is nuts.
Makes sense. The so-called Palestinian cause is kind of fragile, complex and hard to understand, especially by people without scientific training.
People struggle hard to decide what to believe because, after all, there are two sides to the issue and unfalsifiable data are hard to come by.
So, having a tenuous hold on the flimsy and nebulous concept of justice for Palestine they may get distracted and even think it is nuts.
That is why people truly dedicated to nothing as much as the Palestinian cause must make all efforts possible to shoo people away from other topics and none more than 9/11 because that would be a BIG distraction.
Gotcha!
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*Alternatively known as the “Boxcutter Boys’” Conspiracy theory, the “19 Become 14 and One Stays in the Cave Sucking Insulin” Conspiracy theory, the “Silverman ‘We Have to Pull It’ ” theory, the “Newton Disproved by Jewish Scientists” theory, the “Minetta Is Confused, Says Chenney” theory, etc, etc
“People who bought the 9/11 Commission Report Conspiracy Theory”. You don’t have to buy it – it’s available free: http://tinyurl.com/49xkf
’9/11 truth’ is a self-indulgent fantasy. More than just making the Palestinian cause look nuts, its damaging, because it enables Stalinist types to have influence. Take three conspiracy theories:
1. Woodrow Wilson put rifles on the Lusitania to lure the Germans into sinking it, to bring the USA into world war one
2. The CIA killed president Kennedy
3. 9/11 was an inside (or Israeli) job
I just arranged those theories in decreasing order of probability, in my opinion. Someone else might put them in a different order. But the third of these ideas is unique, in that it kills rational discussion. Just look around this site. Its adherents don’t merely try to convince you, like JFK’s necrophiliac groupies: if they can’t convince you, they say you must have ‘cognitive dissonance’, or worse.
“Its adherents don’t merely try to convince you, like JFK’s necrophiliac groupies”
you are one weird cookie.
lol. This cracks me up every time, but the funny thing is you are not trying to be funny.
Conniptions – you say (I had to look it up – a fit of rage or hysterics : the casting choice gave the writers a conniption.
ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: probably an invented word.).
Calm down its not worth getting conniptions, But bonus point for obscure wordage.
You only hear it in the central part (midwest and south midwest) of the US and even there it is old-fashioned. I like it a lot, as much as “having kittens” which oddly enough means the same thing.
Laura Stuart
July 6, 2012 at 4:44 pm
“People are dying or hadn’t you noticed? Just as people were dying in Libya at the hands of Gaddafi’s forces.
The people of Libya asked for NATO intervention did they have a right to ask for help in the face of what was happening on the ground? To THEM? In their own country?
Perhaps the people of Libya have no right to choose and the people of Syria don’t either just you Searching have a right to tell them what is best for them?”
people are dying because jp/israel wants them to. the rest is hasbara.
laura claims that she is pro-Palestinian, but then she supports the bloody ,global games of Jewish Zionist Power.
She claims to love human rigths and freedom, but then she publically supports crimes and opressions done by Zionist’s sponsored ” Rebels “also known as “freedom fighters”.
Laura claims that she does not watch main TV and pay too much attention to MSM ,but she is giviing us quotes from mainstream or leftists / liberal sources like BBC or guardian.
HUman Right Watch also receives many grants from people like George Soros and others of similar kind.
They play on BOTH sides.
Remeber the motto straight from hell,” by the way od deception”.
here is a song that Laura probalby would love. Those guys would make a good “rebels” in case if they are needed in India.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y46yaHK0MZY#t=138s
looks like jay knott got what he wanted. his last article didn’t get much comment play and he’s been dying to stir up something to be the centre of attention. these twice blessed are never happy unless they are the centre of attention. their hasbara routines satisfy their employers, but the grandstanding satifies their inner need for constant attention. when they were young, most were like this boy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fi-KHCc0s4
the problem is they never outgrow it.
jay knott
“Does the phrase “9/11 was an Israeli false flag operation” give me ‘conniptions’ more than anything else? I suppose it does make me even angrier than the original truther idea that the US government did it, because it’s even more complicated; it’s astronomically unlikely. It makes me angry because people protesting against real Israeli crimes holding up signs saying “Israel did 9/11″ make the Palestinian cause look nuts.”
that is a roundabout way of saying:
if you want to impress jews (my folks), and get them behind the “palestinian cause”, you better not offend them by connecting israel to 9/11.
one problem with jay-”logic” is that jews are not especially helpful to palestinians. they spend most of their time helping palestinians by pointing out they are jews and by telling palestinians who they can and can not have as allies.
another problem with jay-”logic” is it is jewish centred at the expense of everyone else. the 9/11 crime killed several thousand people and has been used to justify the murder of millions more. but since exposing the people behind this crime might threaten jp, jay-off thinks everyone should shut up about it.
I really feel sorry for those who have sold their souls to the devil by embracing child-killers and criminals in Syria. A moral human being with any respectable degree of rectitude can’t support Shiite Nazizm or pornographic Alawite genocidalism and at the same tine claim that he or she stands against Zionism, imperialism and what have you.
It is an expression of hypocrisy an moral duplicity to embrace the Nazis of our time in Damascus and then search for red herrings and diversionary tactics in order to exonerate a nefarious regime that can well be lumped together in the company of Hitler, Stalin, Ariel Sharon and other evil men and women. Noisy discussions, prevarication, verbal juggling and dishonest discourse can’t change the fact.
A final point, I am not against Shiites because of their cultic and esoteric deviant reli-gion. I am against them because of their diabolic crimes against humanity, brutal ugliness and moral depravity.
What else one can one say when one watches these Shiite cutthroats decapitate babies and rape women, in the thousabnds, and then shout like mad animals Hussein! Mahdi! Ali!! Did these Shiite gods tell them to commit genocide or holy massacres in order to avenge the death of these gods? What type of ugly golen do these murderers worship? what type of disfigured creed do they follow?
Obviously these people don’t belong to humanity. They are a cancer upon the conscience of mankind.
the money’s good, eh?
ie:
“A final point, I am not against Shiites because of their cultic and esoteric deviant reli-gion. I am against them because of their diabolic crimes against humanity, brutal ugliness and moral depravity.
What else one can one say when one watches these Shiite cutthroats decapitate babies and rape women, in the thousabnds, and then shout like mad animals Hussein! Mahdi! Ali!! Did these Shiite gods tell them to commit genocide or holy massacres in order to avenge the death of these gods? What type of ugly golen do these murderers worship? what type of disfigured creed do they follow?”
those look more like the words of a jewish person, rather than a muslim. what sort of muclim would sow this sort of bigoted, divisive hate in the service of israel and jp?
the use of the word golen by amayreh is interesting. i’m guessing it’s a typo for golem since golen brings up a polish town in a search.
golems are a part of hebrew cultural background, mostly in eastern europe. i’m not aware of golems being a part of muslim cultures. a web search didn’t bring up a connection between golem and muslim, either.
why would a “muslim palestinian” be using jewish eastern european mythological characters to make a point?
It is not important if these words are uttered by a Jew or by a Muslim or even by an atheist. The important thing is that they ar true, and yes, they are?
I have lived under the Israeli occupation for 45 years, and I can claim honestly and candidly that Israeli violence against us is nothing compared to Assad’s genocidal extermination of the people of Syria.
You and other shiites who embrace the evil regime in Damascus ought to be ashamed of yourselves for embracing such a murderous and nefarious hunta. You are a cancer u[pon Hussein’s conscience.
But you people seem to be succumbing to your sectarian stranglehold. That is sad, that is disgraceful, that is despicable.
“It is not important if these words are uttered by a Jew or by a Muslim or even by an atheist.”
standard azz argument when pressed about their anti-muslim bigotry. it’s also part of the line bill maher uses to justify his hatred towards muslim people.
“The important thing is that they ar true, and yes, they are?”
no, they are not. but typical of the anti-muslim hate zionists spread.
“I can claim honestly and candidly that Israeli violence against us is nothing compared to Assad’s genocidal extermination of the people of Syria.”
that is also a lie a zionist would use. have used.
“You and other shiites”
lol
the rest is the usual sort of ziowank the hasbarabots use instead of rational argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdbFuG8Yqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Russia those shining beacons of brotherly love towards Muslims and Islam.
Laura Stuart
July 14, 2012 at 12:01 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdbFuG8Yqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
“Russia those shining beacons of brotherly love towards Muslims and Islam.”
now you are using the zionazi disinformation site memri as a source? they specialise in bashing and slandering muslims.
I know exactly who MEMRI are, would you recommend I post the original in Arabic that no one can understand?
if you know “exactly who MEMRI are” then why would you have anything to do with them.
Unfortunately, you lie as often as you breathe. You fornicate with truth and with language. You obviously can not bring yourself to state one veracious phrase. For you, everyone is a Zionist or Zionazi, including the UN, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, UN monitors on the ground, even honest-minded Shiites who are thoroughly embarassased by the murderous shame of the hateful Alawite regime.
So, the only party that tells the truth is the Assad mouthpieces and those of the Iranian regime.
Would you suggest we set a special day to celebrate your honesty and virtue of telling the truth ? Shame on the liars?
Khalid Amayreh
July 14, 2012 at 2:55 am
more hasbarabot bs. i’m not the one supporting israeli war crimes and terrorist mercs. you are.
what sort of palestinian would work to further empower israeli fascist control, and by doing so, works to disempower and weaken muslim people around israel still further than they are now. working to hand syria over to the israelis is an obscene betrayal.
Palestinians or anyone else don’t serve their just cause by supporting criminal and tyrannical regimes that exterminate their people. On the contrary, supporting such regimes does a huge damage to the Palestinian cause.
You claim to be against Israel but at the same time you embrace the murderous regime of Assad, which indulges in massacring its own people. Israel had one Dir Yasin, but the Shiite regime in Damascus has transformed every Syrian village and hamlet into a new Dir Yasin!!!!
You people left no stone unturned in order to get the US to invade Iraq and rid the Iraqi people of the tyrant Saddam Hussein. Now you cordially support and embrace a similar tyrant and war criminal. Yet, you have the audacity to accuse others of being sectarian, as if calling the spade a spade were a sectarian act.
This clearly illustrates your hypocrisy, your mendacity and moral duplicity. Your depravity cries out to the seventh heaven!
And you hide behind the false pretension of serving Islam??? Do you really serve the cause of Islam by slaughtering thousands of children and women? Or by committing these rapes? Do true Muslims rape Muslim women or even non-Muslim women? If not, then why do you support and defend these genocidal thugs? Is it not because they are Shiites? Then who is the true sectarian?
Doesn’t your face blush, defending a nefarious mass murderer?
Khalid Amayreh
July 14, 2012 at 4:39 am
“Israel had one Dir Yasin, but the Shiite regime in Damascus has transformed every Syrian village and hamlet into a new Dir Yasin!!!!”
that is some very pathetic jewish israeli hasbara. is this guy one of the zionist trolls playing games with names?
Who-me i really think its high time you stopped calling everyone who doesn’t agree with your view on events as a hasbarist troll. The majority of Muslims want rid of the dictator and murderer Assad and that doesn’t make them zionists.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=504181&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
“The majority of Muslims want rid of the dictator and murderer Assad and that doesn’t make them zionists.”
that is a rubbish statement about something you would have no way of knowing. it is just propaganda. a propaganda which only helps israel.
As a regular reader of this site, Laura, surely by now you should have picked up the deliberation method of reasoning. Let’s take a simple example:
1. There are two forces in the world, Zionism and other
2. President Assad is not a Zionist
3. Therefore, anyone who opposes him is a Zionist
If this is really your understanding of the debating positions on this topic the “bright lad” qualification may have been hasty
Ariadna does sometimes present ‘debating positions’ in a way which look reasonable at first glance, as if she is actually trying to answer the arguments she disagrees with: http://tinyurl.com/c4zdvzy
Other times, she illustrates the binary Stalinist approach I parodied above: http://tinyurl.com/dy8mh4w
Will the real Ariadna please stand up?
typical of the hasbarat, brave jay knott waits until ariadna goes on vacation, then attacks her. and naturally, the coward chose the zionist side to defend and attack those opposed to his sacred jp.
Your constant diversionary tactics won’t intimidate me. I have been through it all from creation to destruction, and I won’t be scared by little men anywhere .
Your genocidal Shiite thugs are committing far more pornographic crimes against the Syrian people than anything done by Israel against the Palestinians.
And you seem to be too dishonest, too malicious, too mendacious and too unconscientious to recognize the facta as they really are.
Khalid Amayreh
July 14, 2012 at 5:31 am
“Your genocidal Shiite thugs are committing far more pornographic crimes against the Syrian people than anything done by Israel against the Palestinians.”
that is completely untrue zionist propaganda. no palestinian would slander muslims to promote israel like that unless he were a chalabi.
We don’t highlight Shiite genocidalism in Syria in order to promote Israel. This a sign of moral bankruptcy on your part.
Do we have to be silent or back the genocidal cultists in Syria in order to keep focus on Israel???? Does hostility to Israel imply that Muslims ought to play deaf and dumb and look the other way as Muslim children being decapitated and women murdered and raped by these brutal beasts?
I am afraid you are using Israel as a distraction to divert attention from the Nazi-like crimes of the evil shiite regime in Damascus. For that you ought to be ashamed.
whatever you say, solar…
We had thought that Shiism was about standing on the side of the oppressed. Now, in light of what is hapining in Syria, it is abundantly clear that Shiism is more about murder, rape, crime, and less about identification with the oppressed.
The important thing is to pay attention to what these Shabbiha (thugs) do, not what the mouthpieces of mendacity like you say.
“it is abundantly clear that Shiism is more about murder, rape, crime, and less about identification with the oppressed.”
that’s the sort of bigotry all the israelis say, chalabi, jr.
how’s that miller chick, doin’, btw?
…..The important thing is to pay attention to what these Shabbiha (thugs) are doing, not what the mouthpieces of mendacity like you are saying.
and the bigoted hasbara machine rattles on…
If one filters out the personal insults, what decants is the following:
– Your position, shared by Laura, is that (a) the bloodshed in Syria is caused by “shias” and “the shia regime of Assad”; (b) the conflict is fundamentally a religious one; (c) the solution is toppling the “shia regime”; (d) the external military assistance, wherever it comes from, to accomplish (c) is welcome, just as it was in Libya.
–The position (mine included) opposing your view is that (a) SYRIAN people alone (shia included) are the only ones who have the right to decide their own fate/path; (b) the conflict is not religious, only manipulated to appear so by incitement and criminal false flag ops by those who employed the same methods in Libya (still bleeding).
Most importantly, just because you and Laura, out of what appears to be sectarian hate, happen to align yourselves with the interests of USrael on this issue does not make you willing and intentional zionist agents.
Similarly, just because the other side strongly opposes foreign intervention meant to suborn and probably dismember Syria does not mean at all that we defend/support or sympathize with Assad.
The two positions are, however, so completely irreconcilable that no amount of “dialog” consisting of “You are..!” “No, you are…!” is likely to lead anywhere.
For some reason you appear to believe that because you are an Arab and a “muslim” (in the restricted, sectarian definition you favor) and Laura is a “muslim” (using the same definition), your opinions have greater weight.
Perhaps they do so in some venues, but clearly they do not here, either than in your own eyes. I think it may be useful for you to remember these considerations.
“Just because you and Laura… happen to align yourselves with the interests of USrael on this issue does not make you willing and intentional zionist agents…
“Just because the other side strongly opposes foreign intervention meant to suborn and probably dismember Syria does not mean at all that we defend/support or sympathize with Assad.”
This isn’t quite as reasonable as it first appears. If it were written more symmetrically, it would say “just because the other side aligns itself with the interests of the Syrian government doesn’t make it willing and intentional Ba’athist agents…”.
“This isn’t quite as reasonable as it first appears. If it were written more symmetrically, it would say “just because the other side aligns itself with the interests of the Syrian government doesn’t make it willing and intentional Ba’athist agents…”.”
False. “The other side” does not align itself with Assad but with the interests of the Syrian people who protested (peacefully in the beginning), asking for reforms and had started a process. Had the dialog and the negotiations been allowed to take place, and with appropriate DIPLOMATIC international pressure, as Russia encouraged them to do, a real change might have happened with a lot less bloodshed. The initial “Syrian spring” was, however, hijacked by the wolves surrounding them who claim they just want to liberate the Syrian sheep from the jackal.
Yep, that about sums it up for me, well said.
Ariadna: your reply avoids my criticism of what you said. You claimed that Laura & co. inherently ‘happen to align’ themselves with ‘wolves’, while making your and others’ (‘we’) viewpoint look innocent as a lamb. There are dangers in either position – opposing Assad could make you help the US (which is, of course, identical with Israel, I hastily add), whereas babbling about ‘the Syrian people’ and Russian goodwill could make you look like a relic of the sixties with a Che Guevara t-shirt which doesn’t look as good on you as it used to.
brave jay knott waits until ariadna goes on vacation, then attacks her. and naturally, the coward chose the zionist side to defend and attack those opposed to his sacred jp.
Covering Syria: The Information War
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31859.htm
Ariadna, you and other moutpieces of mendacty are palying with words while innocent people are being slaughtered en mass at the hands of your shiite thugs.
I mention the shiite culpits because 99% of the victims are shiite cutthroats and murderers and 99% of the victims happen to be innocent sunni villagers.
They slaughter the boys and kids, rape the women and then invoke the name of their gods: Ali! Husein! Mehdi! And 99% of Shiites are backing these thugs.
Ariadna, you represent the Nazis of our time.
I am sorry that things have reached this point because my sympathy had always been on the side of the Shiites. I took part in the Iranian revolution, learned Farsi and wrote numerous articles defending Iran and Hizbullah. But I won’t sell my soul to the devil.
You are guilty of trying to make a genocide look like a mere acadmic dispute, which reflects your maliciousness.
Do you know that even Satan himself has not devised an appropriate punishment for the killer of a child? How can you look us in the face while you gleefully and gloatingly defend your thugs who have murdered thousands of children and other innocent civilians.
What is happening in Syrai is a full-fledged genocide in the making. The world must therefore not wait until the Shiite cultists use chemical weapons, such as the sarin, to exterminate hundreds of thousands or perhaps miillions.
Today, there is a real holocaust in the making at the hands of the regime in Damascus. Thw world must not allow this to happen.
Khalid Amayreh
July 13, 2012 at 9:44 pm
“What else one can one say when one watches these Shiite cutthroats decapitate babies and rape women, in the thousabnds, and then shout like mad animals Hussein! Mahdi! Ali!! Did these Shiite gods tell them to commit genocide or holy massacres in order to avenge the death of these gods? What type of ugly golen do these murderers worship? what type of disfigured creed do they follow?”
the word golen in that bile is a typo for golem. golems are characters in eastern european jewish folk myths. they exist in palestinian discourse as an insult used by israeli jews, usually to put dowm muslim people. what sort of palestinian muslim would use eastern european jewish folk characters in their ordinary speech? what sort of muslim palestinian would write like an eastern european jew?
are you jewish, amayreh? if not, why do you insult muslim people like israeli jews do?
“Ariadna, you represent the Nazis of our time.”
You don’t do yourselves any favors with idiocies of this type. Bye
I don’t consider killers of children, rapists of women aqnd liars like you Muslim.
If Bashar Assad and his supporters and thugs represent Islam, then sorry I don’t want to have anything with this Islam of yours.
are you jewish, amayreh?
If you think that anyone objecting to or rejecting Shiite savagery and Nazi-like criminality must be Jewish, then I will be proud to be Jewish.
Your way of argument exposes you as an ignoramus, fanatic and racist. Fanatics, by definition, don’t hold views, they are held by them. You are an enfant terrible!
Besides, what is wrong with being Jewish? Aren’t Jews human-beings who may be good or bad likwe the rest of mankind?
Shiism itself is wedly thought to have been founded by Abdullah ibn Sabaa, a Jew.
And according to Shiite Fiqh, or theology, the shiite god messiah, al-Mehdi, who has been hiding in his hideout cave in Iraq for more than a thousand years, will adopt the Sharia of Jaccob (Israel), not the Sharia of Muhammed.
Well, go on basking in your ignorance.
perhaps I shouldn’t argue too much with an ignoramus like you, because after a while people will start wondering, who is the ignoramus and who is the wiseman?
In the final analysis, wisemen have their mouths in their hearts whereas fools have their hearts in their mouths.
Khalid Amayreh
July 14, 2012 at 8:38 pm
“If you think that anyone objecting to or rejecting Shiite savagery and Nazi-like criminality must be Jewish, then I will be proud to be Jewish.”
i’ll consider than an answer in the affirmative, then. thanks, chalabi, jr.
No need to use Iraqi names. Palestinians have their own Chalabis: Dahlan is one
“No need to use Iraqi names. Palestinians have their own Chalabis: Dahlan is one”
bitte. right, dahlan is more appropriate.
chalabis sounds like a wine made from spider whizz.
The absurd title of this article alone says it all.
Imagine a Yavapai claiming that the American decimation of their people is just a “red herring” used by the Apaches…
“Imagine a Yavapai claiming that the American decimation of their people is just a “red herring” used by the Apaches…”
yup.
btw, ever been to supai? and the falls?
No. I lived in Arizona for a while but I never made it to Supai.
amazing place. a natural wonder, that valley. fortunately, no oil or uranium, so it has survived.
believe it or not, it was the site of some italian adam and eve film. as the garden of eden.
There are places like that in AZ that can survive on one condition: that they be inaccessible or hard to get to. Otherwise tourists trample them to death and “developers” do their best destroy them–see Sedona.
“that they be inaccessible or hard to get to. Otherwise tourists trample them to death and “developers” do their best destroy them–see Sedona.”
unfortunately, that applies everywhere in the united states of exploitation. the worst thing that can happen to a place in the usa is to let americans know it exists.
and then there’s Wallmart…
I once rented a cabin in Payson for a month to escape the heat down south. It was the saddest place: lots of small shops of all descriptions (judging by the rusting signs) all boarded up, the only two places left in town (other than the gas station) where people could hope to have a job were Wallmart (the cause of the ruin of all the small shops) and a casino. Who comes to Payson to go to the casino?
A dying town, where every other house had a For Sale sign. No buyers. A few lucky people worked in Phoenix–a 2hr commute each way.
A sad day it was when Americans let the vultures know they existed…
“where people could hope to have a job were Wallmart (the cause of the ruin of all the small shops)”
never been to payson (that i remember), but i’ve come to believe that wall mart doesn’t operate on a normal (traditional?) capitalist greed basis. they go into really marginal profitable regions, moonscape the competition, then what? their huge store operates at what must be an economic loss.
monopoly capitalism, where the point is to be the sole business. they will take a loss in rural regions just so they can be the only ones in business.
who operates like this?
organised crime. the jewish mafia.
the casinos are most assuredly jewish mafia connected.
The ruin of Arizona by tourism is an interesting subject, but a bit o/t. The article claims ‘Iran and its allies, including the Assad regime, are using Israel and the Palestinian plight as a mere red herring’. Ariadna says: ‘Imagine a Yavapai claiming that the American decimation of their people is just a “red herring” used by the Apaches…’. I think what’s she’s trying to say is that Iran and Syria are much less powerful than Israel and its ‘allies’, just as the Indians were much weaker than the American republic. Therefore, describing Assad’s token references to Israel as a red herring is as inappropriate as describing references to US genocide of one group of Native Americans as a ‘red herring’ put about by another group.
When you spell it out, it doesn’t look quite as clever. Unless I’ve misunderstood, of course, in which case I’m sure I’ll be put right.
as is typical of the hasbarat, brave jay knott waits until ariadna goes on vacation, then attacks her. and naturally, the coward chose the zionist side to defend and attack those opposed to his sacred jp.
poor boi is afraid of a girl.
Richard Edmonson (War and Politics — LeftWing Christian):
“almost nothing the mainstream media report on Syria can be believed.
I reiterate: this is new territory we’re venturing into here. The media have long been purveyors of distortion and propaganda—but usually that takes the form of a few kernels of truth, mixed with a few lies, a few half-truths, and a large dose of innuendo. Never before have we seen such brazen willingness to present “news” in the manner in which we are seeing it presented with regard to Syria, i.e. with total disregard for even the pretense of accuracy or truthfulness.”
the goebbel’s “big lie” applied universally. one can look at it as nazism personified, zionazism taken to its logical conclusions, or both. in effect, it’s both.
they get away with it because they monopolised the media most people in the west access. and people in the west are not allowed to know about what the rest of the world is thinking and knows. it might infringe on their jp induced extended childhood.
can the start of an article get more zionazi gay than this:
“The dark embrace between the clerical regime in Tehran and the murderous cultist regime of Bashar Assad in Syria speaks volumes”
that is the kind of embarrassingly gay (as in j edgar hoover/joseph mccarthy style gay), zionist, hate palestinian, hate all muslim rubbish one finds in adl adverts on fox news. and also in the various israeli judeo-supremacist media outlets working to encourage both hatred of muslims among non-muslims and divisiveness among the palestinian community.
if any palestinians read this site, or any other sites amayreh is published on, i hope they are paying very close attention to this hasbara promoting khalid amayreh writes. he is to palestinians what lord ha ha was to brits (or tony blair).
It seems your tongues and fingers function much more swiftly than your brains do. You seem to be too frustrated, too irate and too mendacious.
The urge to lie and be dishonest is quite conspicuous in your speech. Is this the way to be a pious shiite?
Of course your claims about Palestine are essentially propagandistic in nature and are designed to impress Muslims in order to accept shiites as bona fide Muslims.
But you are not true Muslims.
True Muslimas are not enthsiastic abour murdering other Muslims. In Syria, your Hizbullah, Iranian and Iraqi thugs murder and rape at will, and then shout “ya letharat al-Hussein” “Ya Mahdi adrekna”!!! what type of fools and mindless cultists are you? What type of religion justifies what you are doing in the name of Hussein and Ali. You are a cancer upon Hussein’s and Ali’s conscience.
And then you refer to Shalabi? Do you know that your bastard Ayatullah Sistani (bastard because his father is unknown since his mother slept with numerous men in the context of the adultery marriage known as Muta’a- a masked form of prostitution)- was the one who blessed Shalabi? Do you know that Sistani issued a Fetwa criminalizing resistance to the American occupiers?
Do you know that the Shiite leadership in Iraq bestowed on the commander of the American armies in Iraq the highest medals of honor? Why do you deny the obvious? Do you think lying would set you free?
Otherwise, your shiite thugs wouldn’t attack and murder hundreds of Palestinians living in Baghdad, and your thugs in Syria wouldn’t shower Palestinian refugees near Damascus with bullets yesterday. And your Shabbiha Hashashin assassins would not hijack a bus full of Palestinian conscripts north of Damascus and slaughter them all, one after the other. Hence, you lie about your commitment to the Palestinian cause.
You are murderers, thieves and liars. Not only you murder babies for Hussein and Ali, you also indulge in pornographic lies to cover up your shame. And, then, you have the chutzpah to call your critics Jews and Zionaziz, which shows you have a collective psychosis.
You lie too much and too often about a lot of things. You live in a state of deial. I feel sorry for you.
bye israeli.
What is the differnence between Shiite Nazis of 2012 and German Naziz of 1940?
The Germans called their opponents untermenshen scum, vermin and dirty Jews.
Same thing: The shiites call theirs Jews, Zionazis and wahhabis!
Needless to say, when people think, behave and act like the Naziz thought, behaved, and acted, they become Naziz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh2Nu2aTPP0
Who – me I have to say that your responses are juvenile in the extreme.
You really have nothing to say.
Who – me if this profile is the same Khalid Amayreh then you really ought to be ashamed of yourself. Calling such a person an Israeli and a Jew.
Khalid has already shown his maturity and lack of racism unlike you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Amayreh
Maybe Daniel Mabsout and others who do not use their real names have something to hide.
This is how shiite cutthroats in Syria, e.g. the murderous regime’s thugs, fight “Israel, Zionism, Zionaziz, Wahhabis, and American imperialism” by raping terrified women huddling in their half-destroyed homes and decaoitating their babies on their laps.!!!!!
And the do it in the name of Huusein! Ali! and al-Mehdi!!!
Crowd-sourced map highlights rape by Syrian army
By RUTH EGLASH 07/15/2012 03:02
Nearly half of the over 80 reported cases involved more than one rapist, according to Women’s Media Center. Photo:
womenundersiegesyria.crowdmap.com
Syrian government forces are increasingly using sexual violence and gang rapes as a weapon of war in the conflict there, according to a project using social networking technology to document each reported attack.
Published last week by the New York-based Women’s Media Center, as part of its Women Under Siege project, the research uses a crowd-sourced mapping platform to pinpoint where rapes or sexual attacks have been reported and allows victims to report any further cases in real time.
According to the information gathered by the project, there were more than 80 reported incidents of rape – some of them including more than one attack – from the onset of the conflict in March 2011 through June 2012. The report breaks them down into 117 pieces of data, including information on everything from the rape itself to the consequences of the attacks, such as depression, HIV and pregnancy.
“Even if only a fraction of these particular reports are accurate, we are still getting a taste of what is going on in Syria,” Lauren Wolfe, director of the Women Under Siege project, told The Jerusalem Post in an interview over the weekend.
She explained that most of the reports are based on data collected by local and international journalists and human rights organizations such as Human Rights Watch, and on the ground reports from activists and citizens.
“I can’t vouch for each individual story, but I do know that there is no conflict anywhere that has not involved some kind of sexual element,” said Wolfe, an award-winning journalist who has written for publications from the International Herald Tribune to CNN.com.
“For me, the information we have received paints an entirely plausible picture of the situation in Syria, and it is extremely terrifying,” she said.
Wolfe said the most shocking thing revealed by the data is the fact that government forces had perpetrated most of the rapes, even though the team of researchers who put together the report welcomed information from both sides of the conflict.
“I am sure that eventually we will receive information that both sides have carried out such acts – there was a report from HRW saying that the Free Syrian Army has committed human rights abuses – but so far we have not heard anything against them,” she said.
Among the most shocking atrocities carried out by those loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad and documented in the data is the report of a teenage girl kidnapped by government forces and kept locked in an apartment with other young women. She recalled being injected with an unknown substance that left her paralyzed, and then being raped by undercover security forces. The girl also recounted how one soldier burned her genitals with a hot iron. She is now being treated in Jordan, the report said.
The crowd-sourced mapping shows that such sexualized attacks appear to be widespread and not limited to one city. It also shows that most of the attacks took place against women (80 percent) and nearly half involved more than one rapist, suggesting a disturbingly high rate of gang rape, the report said.
“The fact that a large portion of the alleged crimes involved multiple attackers indicates possible coordinated, orchestrated or systematic violence without restraints on the behavior of government and other forces,” Susannah Sirkin, deputy director of Physicians for Human Rights, commented in the report.
“I don’t consider killers of children, rapists of women aqnd liars like you Muslim.
If Bashar Assad and his supporters and thugs represent Islam, then sorry I don’t want to have anything with this Islam of yours.” Khalid Amayereh
Bad news for the sectarian Khalid Amayereh, “Former Gaddafists Win in Libyan Democracy”
Yes very bad new for Amayereh Who wrote: “In the final analysis (ANAL-YSIS), the Libyan revolution has an Arab-Islamic face, heart and mind. It will not betray or disappoint Muslims anywhere in the world. Just give them a grace period, and they won’t disappoint you.” Khalid Amayereh.
Unfortunately, they only disappointed their stupid brother. They, after destroying Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Algeria (250,000 Victims), Libya (150,000), they got a new contract, destroying Syria.
In case the regime in Syria is changed as Khalid predicted (God forbid) It’s not difficult to imagine who would be the next Syrian president.
However, Khalid is right, he don’t belong to real Islam that was revealed and completed before the Death of Prophet Mohammad PUH, before Sunni and Shiite.
He belong to British, then American version of “Islam”, where:
Nasser (Must see), not Israel, was the enemy.
Soviet Union, not America, was the enemy.
And now Syria, Iran, Hezbollah are the enemies.
In his final anal-ysis Usrael are the people of the book. Nasser was a Soviet agent, and now out of sudden, he and his stupid brothers, after all what Assads done to their Hamas, they discovered that “Success will never come from deviant” It will come from Sunni Hashemite Abdullah, and Hamad.
Khalid don’t want to rock the brotherhood boat, he a is waiting another Eisenhower, not another Khrushchev and his famous shoes, to set the record straight with Usrael.
Meanwhile, Palestinian should seek an alternative strategy, which nothing but the Jordan option. In doing that they the brotherhood is repeating 1976 Arafat’s Lebanese option.
“Is it a pre-condition to recognize Israel in order to govern?” asked Asked Muslim Brotherhood’s leader, Rashad Bayoumy. Yes was the American answer, and to my best knowledge Hillary the, Queen of Hearts is now in Cairo, to say Mabrouk to Morsi after performing his Ummra, and to thak him for reassuring Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies he has no plans to ‘export’ Egypt’s revolution.
Finally, opportunist Khalid claims, He “took part” in the Iranian revolution, learned Farsi and wrote numerous articles defending Iran and Hezbollah”.
May Allah help Iran and Hezbollah, without Khalid and his brothers help Usrael could have crushed, and would crush Iran and Hezbollah.
For those who don’t know Khalid and his brothers are the sons of Jewish spies Ka’ab Al-ahbar, Wahb bin Munabeh, and Abdullah Ibn Salam, who penetrated and divided Muslims, after murdering Omar Bin Al-khatab, thus paving the way for the Great Fitna.
According to Muslims yellow books, Ka’ab Al-ahbar warned Omar Bin Al-khatab, three days before his assasination, he repeated the warning next day, and Omar was killed on the third day. When asked how he knows, he told Omar:
Without this Verses:
يَمْحُو اللَّهُ مَا يَشَاءُ وَيُثْبِتُ وَعِنْدَهُ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ
“Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book.”
I could tell you the past, the present and the future. Offcourse Kaab’s source is the Torah and Talmud.
Nobody thought that ka’ab was involved in Killing Omar, and to my best knowledge, this Jew, “SAYEDNA Kaab” is burried in Homs in Syria, he have another grave covered with a big dome in a great mosque in Naseriya in Cairo.
فهذا اليهودي – كما هو معلوم – مدفون بمدينة حمص بالشام، ولكن له قبرا آخر فوقه قبة كبيرة تقع بأحد المساجد الكبيرة بحي الناصرية المشهور بالقاهرة.
“But I won’t sell my soul to the devil.” Khalid claimed.
You did Khalid, you and your Quradawi sold your soul to the American devil.
You are not a Zionist, you are worse. You belong to “Chosen Muslims”
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“If you think that anyone objecting to or rejecting Shiite savagery and Nazi-like criminality must be Jewish, then I will be proud to be Jewish…
Besides, what is wrong with being Jewish? Aren’t Jews human-beings who may be good or bad likwe the rest of mankind?
Shiism itself is wedly thought to have been founded by Abdullah ibn Sabaa, a Jew. ” Khalid Amayereh
I would agree with Khalid “In the final analysis, wisemen have their mouths in their hearts whereas fools have their hearts in their mouths.” I would add Khalid has a very big mouth, and one cell brain.
He is using his sectarian Islam in debaiting non-muslims, who don’t know that shiism started imediately after the death of Prophet Mohammad, who don’t know that Shea means party. So Shiism started as a the Political Party of Ali.
I challange Khalid to appear here to debate me about his claim that Shiism “been founded by Abdullah ibn Sabaa, a Jew.”
According to Taha Hussain in his book: The BIG FITNA, Abdullah ibn Sabaa never existed, its a Sunni creation, who don’t have the courage to tell who was right and who was wrong in the fitna, is it Ali, or aysha and sahaba Talha and Zubair bin al-awwam? Who was right and who was wrong in the Famous Cammel battle.
For stupids like Khalid, sahaba (comrades), are somehow like angles, not like other humans. Therefore, they created the myth of the Jew, Abdullah ibn Sabaa, and blaimed him for dividing Muslims.
Shiism (Immama Theory), and Sunni (Caliph theory) as theology existed after three hundred years and has nothing to do with Islam.
Religion, the holly text is something, and history of religion is somthing else.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9400570/Confessions-of-an-Assad-Shabiha-loyalist-how-I-raped-and-killed-for-300-a-month.html
Rape has been used in Libya by forces loyal to Gaddafi and now in forces loyal to Assad. Both dictators had to pay people to be loyal to them.
“Both dictators had to pay people to be loyal to them.”
If so, it means they never learned the trick of zionists getting goyim to work for them for free with some not even realizing it.
“He is using his sectarian Islam in debaiting non-muslims, who don’t know that shiism started imediately after the death of Prophet Mohammad, who don’t know that Shea means party.”
He is not debating most of the time he is ranting, and insulting the “non-muslims,” who do not need to know any kind of muslim theology to detect outright lies, just as they don’t need to ponder on Christian theology to detect the very same lies spouted by Clinton when she reads them off her zionist teleprompter.
alex
July 15, 2012 at 11:54 am
“However, Khalid is right, he don’t belong to real Islam that was revealed and completed before the Death of Prophet Mohammad PUH, before Sunni and Shiite.
He belong to British, then American version of “Islam”, where:
Nasser (Must see), not Israel, was the enemy.
Soviet Union, not America, was the enemy.
And now Syria, Iran, Hezbollah are the enemies.
For those who don’t know Khalid and his brothers are the sons of Jewish spies Ka’ab Al-ahbar, Wahb bin Munabeh, and Abdullah Ibn Salam, who penetrated and divided Muslims, after murdering Omar Bin Al-khatab, thus paving the way for the Great Fitna.”
thanks. that’s what i figured, khalid is an israeli-american collaborator, with a history of past collaboration, who comes from israeli-american collaborators also with histories of betrayal.
Well, that certainly confirms what I wrote back in january when I wrote about divide and rule.
Yes, kuddos for noticing the speck, now go and work on the log, Laura:
“And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
I would not really want to dignify your screed by commenting on it. One shouldn’t cheapen oneself by responding to liars and ignoramuses.
However, for the benefit of the readers, I would like to make the following points:
1-elections come and goo, and tody you are in government, tomorrow you are in the opposition. This is the nature of the democratic system.
But I don’t understand what the Libyan elections have to do with the ongoing Shiite holocaust in Syria? Does the election of moderate people, who insist that Islam is the main source of legislation, imply that the mass slaughter and mass rape in Syria is justified? Are you that sick? Are so ignorant?
2-Israel is indeed the enemy, but this doesn’t mean allowing a murderous tyrannical regime to exterminate its people in order to remain in power. The people of Syria don’t want this despicable tyrant who wants to perpetuate his familuy and cult in power for ever. The Syrians have already had more than 40 years of the Assad dynasty.
The Iranian people in 1978 revolted against the Shah who was far less sinister than the Assads.
The Iranians shouted : Tau marg Shahi Khaen, Nehzet Idamei durad” Until the death of the treacherous Shah, the struggle will continue.”
So why do you reject for Syria, wwhat you accept for Iran? You see your hypocrisy and moral duplicity?
As to the shiites, I really don’t believe they are true Muslims. Their religion or 99% of it evolved after the death of Muhammed and the completion of Islam:
The Shiites don’t believe in the completeness of the Quran, the Shiites deify and effectively woraship their imams, the Shiites beseach and make supplication to their imams, the Shiites worship tombs, and buildings, they also cut their bodies with daggers and swords like ferocious animals during Ashura, the Shiite practic adultery like they drink waters, the Shiites reject the Quraan’s judgments regarding the mother of believers, the Shiites believe in a mini-god called Mahdi, who is confined to a cave in Iraq since 1100 years, the Shiites curse the companions of Muhammed like they breathe oxygen the Shiites practic Toqya or lying and consider it nine-tenths of religion. Now, did the prophet and his companions indulge in these innovations? If not, why do you do it????
In brief, the shiite religion is a fabricated and concoted cult. It has nothing to do with Muhammed and the family of Muhammed. It has nothing to do with Ali or Hussein? These were good Muslims who never indulged in this fanatical and hateful practice called Shiism. You are the shiites of Satan, not the Shiites of Muhammed and the family of Muhammed. (to be followed)
By far the most horrible part of your rant were the last three words in it.
“However, for the benefit of the readers, I would like to make the following points:…”
Can you name ONE? I don’t think so.
The only one who seems to be interested is Laura, and with her you’re preaching to the choir.
You claim that Assad is using Israel as a “red herring.” Ou failed to achieve any credibility on that.
How is your ranting about shia being a cult a demonstration of that statement?
Stop ending every post with a threat meant to frighten us (“to be followed”), akin to posting terrorism.
“The Shiites don’t believe in the completeness of the Quran”
Fact check:
According to Sunna
Surat Al-Ahzab was as long as Sorat Al-Baqara.
In other words it is not complete. For example, Ayat Al-Shaikh wa Al-Shaikha is deleted ( Mansoukha)though its applicable in Shariaa.
عن در بن حبيس قال: قال لي أُبيّ بن كعب كم تُعد سورة الأحزاب؟ قلت اثنتين وسبعين آية أو ثلاثاً وسبعين. قال: إنها (أي سورة الأحزاب) كانت لتعدل سورة البقرة وإنّا كنا نقرأ فيها آية الرجم. قلت: وما آية الرجم؟ قال: إذا زنى الشيخ والشيخة فارجموهما البتة نكالاً من الله والله
عزيز حكيم (الإتقان للسيوطي. باب الناسخ والمنسوخ).
عن أمّ المؤمنين عائشة انها قالت:
(نزلت آية الرجم «و رضاع الكبير عشراً». ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله(ص) تشاغلنا بموته فدخل داجنٌ فأكلها)]).
However, this is bullshit:
So … 140 posts later, you and the author of the absurd nattering about Israel being a “red herring” have not managed to convince anyone that another murderous foreign intervention in the continuum from Iraq, passing through Libya and now revving up for Syria with the eyes on the prize–Iran–would be a good idea.
Despite the impressive documentation you posted, such as articles published by the Telegraph, reports by BBC (or was it CNN?) and despite showing that the ichthyologist who is the author of the “red herring” thesis has a bio in wikipedia (Chalabi has an even longer one), no progress?!
Your “Israel is a red herring and shia is a fabricated and cocncocted cult” proposition is just not taking off–you have to accept that.
You mentioned the Holy text. That is good.
But let me ask you several questionjs:
Does the holy text urge Shiites to curse the companions, such as Omar and Abu Bakr, and wives of the Prophet?
Does the holy text urge shiites to proclaim in Azzan “ash-hadu anna Ali walliyyo Allah”? Is Ali and his family even mentioned in the Quran? Do you think Islam is a family business?
Where is it mentioned in the Quran that the imam knows the knowledge of the unknown and the unseen? Even Muhammed didn’t know that. So is the shiite imams greater thann the prophets?
If the imam did know the knowledge of the unseen, he would at least escape accidental death, e.g. not eat poisoned food, like Imam Hassan!
Does the Quran tell Shiites to practice Tatbeer on Ashura?
Does the Quran make the cursing of other Muslims an essential part of religion?
Does the Quran tell you that the Mahdi will exhume the tomb of Muhammed and burn the bones of Abu Bakr and Omar?
Does the Quran urge you to practice “Latm”?
Does the Quran allow you to judge all Muslims as guilty who should be killed because of an event that happened more 1350 years ago?
Does the Quran tell you that Ali is God-incarnate? In Syria, the Shiites shout ” Ali ibn Abee Taleb, Bashar and Syria iwbass” And in Iraq, shiites shout Ya Ali, Ya Hussein, Ya Abbas. They never say Ya Nuhammed! Well, why dont they say Ya Allah? Is the Shiite god blind, unhearing????
Does the Quran allow shiites to transform their Husseinyas (temples) into houses of prostituion for the Mehdi army fighters in Iraq and Houthis in Yemen?
Why is it that the Shiites send trucks packed with young girls to the shiite fighters in the hilltops of yemen so that these fighters will get rid of their dirty waters? what kind of Islam is this? This is a promiscuous cult, not a religion?
I have read the shiite references and have been shocked by their content. (to be followed)
The ones who asked and got foreign intervention in Iraq are the Shiite leadership, including Sistani, the bastard (he doesn’t have a known father because so many men slept with his mother as part of the shiite traditions of Mutaa).
So why is it that these hypocrits were enthusiastic about foreign intervention in Iraq but not in Syria, although the genocidal killing in Syria is far more pornographic?
Besides, in case of killings on a vast scale, nation states even lose their sovereignty.
You seem incapable of understanding that with the exception of you and Laura, nobody who has posted on this topic here so far distinguishes between foreign attacks/interventions/wars/occupation depending on whether they were to the liking of sunni or shia traitorous opportunists. So barking, no matter how loud, at the wrong tree is pointless.
As to Israel being a red herring for Iran and the Syrian reginm, this is perfectly true.
The Syrian regime never fired a bullet toward Israel for over 40 years, although its Golan Heights are occupied by the Zionists and tens of thousands of Jewish settlers are settled there.
And Iran is only seeking domination and mastery over the Arabs, especially in the Gulf.
Syria under ASSADs purcased billions of dollars’ worth of military gear, it was never used against Israel, it is being used to murder, incinerate and maim Syrian children, and women.
And you hypocrits and ignoramus keep barking like shipyard dogs about Zionism, Wahabbis and others!
There is no greater servant of Zionism than Assad and his cult.
The only one who is inviting foreign intervention is the regime itself, and it is doing that by slaughtering its people en mas.
And you are watching this rather gleefully, thinking the genocide will speed up the coming of the Mahdi.
Shame on the shameless>
The only part that really got my attention was “shipyard dogs.” It’s a phrase I never heard before.
Are they sea-faring canines or just dock workers?
Are they wont to bark louder because of the noise of the sirens approaching harbor?
I think this could be a topic on which we could really learn something useful from you. Or maybe I am the only one because everyone else knows all about shipyard dogs and they are news only to me. See, I happen to love dogs–no, of course I am not a muslim so I can abide them.
Despite not being a muslim, you pegged me right:
I feel rather gleeful about genocides in general and I am anxious about the coming of the Mahdi, although I am equally worried about it.
It is only on the issue of the dogs.
did a bit of research–apparently some are Egyptian and are quite cute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-S_wBAHQ4
I’ll take your word for it that they are barking about zionism (not surprising from Egyptian pups) but their young puppyhood demonstrates precocious political awareness, clearly higher than that of very much older humans
It doesn’t matter you are Muslim or not. I am not God to hold you accountable for your beliefs and actions. But you seem to side with evil-doers, murders, thieve, and other nefarioua people.
This alone should take you down the ladder of morality. Your only excuse would be ignorance. So, it is likely that you are either ignorant of what you write or mlicious. I think you are probably both.
“it is likely that you are either ignorant of what you write or mlicious. I think you are probably both.”
Not that I am scared of another lengthy treatise on your take of Islam ending in the scarier yet ” to be followed,” but why don’t we jump to the punchline here and now? Here you go:
Yes, I am both. Since you decided that you are not God, you are stumped.
I’d rather hear more from you about shipyard dogs. That is something you could educate the ignorant and malicious person about.
Why is there no information about them available except for the video for which I posted the link showing a few members of the Egyptian branch?
No, they are not barking about Zionism. They are bgarking in order to distract attension away from the genocide they are carrying out against Muslims in Syria.
Since when fighting Zionism meant slaughtering children in Syria and then invoking the name of Hussein and Ali?
Are you people cannibalists?
“They are bgarking in order to distract attension away from the genocide they are carrying out against Muslims in Syria.”
The pups? Wow! The gift you have! There is a guy on US TV, Cesar the Dog Whisperer. He’s got nothing on you! You could be successful in that line. More by interpreting canine sounds than by wasting your time on sectarianism.
“Cannibalists”? Are they the ideologues of cannibals?
No, I am not a theoretician, and cannibalism, which I used to practice a lot when I was younger, I had to restrict in recent years because of a high cholesterol count. How about you? Fancy baby back ribs once in a while?
Al Hamdullilah, when you are silenced and disgraced, you resort to silly jokes and corrupt analogies.
I will continue to expose your lies and crimes against Muslims and against humanity. so playing the facetious game won’t help you.
You have been silenced and defated as your mendacity is exposed ti all.
You are completely naked, and with a body that is uglier than ugliness itself. The shiite hasbara is silenced. so, try to invoke your god, ya Mahdi adrekna!!!!! Ya Ali Adrekna! Ya Battikh Asfar adrekna!!!
OK, “ugly” I got but make up your mind: “naked” or with “Battikh”:
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-521&va=batik
I like you more when you are enraged…
“You are completely naked, and with a body that is uglier than ugliness itself.”
Khalid, look at the mirror and you will see the ugliness itself
And if you can’t stand the heat,leave the Kitchen!!
No kid gloves here, babe!!
So you are thrashing and waving your arms about in the kitchen?
No matter what gloves you have on, it’s weird.
And who is “babe”?!
Calm down. Hush now, you’re waking the puppies. You know, the puppies whose yapping you can translate…. the “deviationist” zionist puppies. Want to see the video again or would that put you over the edge?
Now the Shiite cutthroats are killing Palestinian refugees in Syria, the very people in whose names the same criminals are slaughtering the Syrian people.
And you are speaking avout dogs and puppies!
Are you surprised? Did you think you were taken seriously? Did you think that foaming at the mouth would make you appear more rational?!?
Your one cell brain can’t understand what the Libyan elections have to do with the so-called “ongoing Shiite holocaust in Syria” but the readers understood the relation. Libyans understood the one way MB democracy, and MB’s lust for power.
I am not talking about religion, and I am talking about the global war on resistance, exposing political Islamist who so far destroyed/divided Afghanistan, Somalia, and Libya.
I am talking about american brothers, the Sons of Ka’ab, who deserted the living Quran, and used the bible myths to explain the holly text.
Religion united Arabs and politics, Not Ibn Sabaa, divided them as you claimed.
The Iranian people in 1978 revolted against the Shah who was the Chief Usrael stooge in the Middle East, and they support Assad because he is pain on the neck of Israel.
You will never succeed in dragging me into your sectarian trap.
However, for the benefit of the readers, I would like to make the following points:
1. I am not Shiite and it’s not my job to defend their Ideology. Though I am a born-Sunni, I am not Sunni. I am a Muslim. FULLSTOP.
2. The religion of god is one and it is Islam, which started with Noah and completed with Mohammad. It is Prophet Muhammad not Allah, who died, and his death means two things (1) he completed his message (2) humanity may handle its future without more angles and more prophet. And consequently without Qaradawi likes.
3. Quran is a live message from living God to living human, unlike you I don’t need to go to yellow books written by Tabri, Ibm Kathir, Shafii, Abu Hanifa, Ahmad and Malik, Ibn Taymiyah to understand the message of the living god. And I don’t need your Nato mufti.
4. To make it short and simple for your one cell “brain”, Judaism and Christianity are two main historical stages for the same religion of God, completed by Quran. Therefore, if we believe that Islam is addressed to humanity at all times, we should be able to distinguish between the constants of Islam and historical events.
5. To make it short and simple for your one cell “brain. Islam, the ultimate truth, is something and its human understanding is something else. Never ever mix Islam with the History of Muslims.
I think this will answer your stupid questions: Does the Quran tell you…
So, I would ask you similar counter questions.
If Shea are waiting Mahdi, Sunnis or part of them are waiting Sufiani..
I should remind you that Athan is not Quran; it was suggested by Omar and approved by Prophet Mohammad PUH.
As for Mutaa marriage I am sure you know it was practiced before the death of Muhammad and was prohibited by Omar.
I wonder, what is the difference between Mutaa marriage and Qaradawi’s Misyar marriage? Which is more transparent, marrying for one month, one year or cheating your wife? I mean marring with the intention to divorce Qaradawi way.
Finally, try, just try, to recharge – storm the rotten bag above your shoulders and you may realize the 99% of what you believe its Islam has nothing to do with Islam. Storm your brain, to find the political roots of the difference..
I am sure it won’t work unless you dump all they told you about the second revelation, the “Science” of Nasikh and Mansoukh, Ijmaa, Asbab Al-nuzoul….
‘So, I would ask you similar counter questions.”
correction:
‘So, I would not ask you similar counter stupid questions.”
Alex, you are more of a liar who practices Tuqya than of A Muslim who pays minimal attention to honesty an moral integrity.
Besides, since when did resistance mean slaughtering civilians en mass, and raping women en mass?
Sorry, we don’t want to have anything to do with you resistance. Your resistance is murderin our people in Syria.
The shiites are now slaughtering the Palestinians, the very people in whose name they claim to kill their own people
As to the shiites I don’t consider them Muslim, no matter how much you would fret and rave.
The Shiites don’t believe in the Quran. The think the true Quran is hidden in the cave with the hidden god-imam Mahdi.
The Shiites curse other Muslims as often as they drink water.
The shiites venerate their idols in Iraq more than they venerate Mecca.
The Shiites worship Ali ibn Taeb as God; hence they are called Alawites, not Muhammadans or Muslims.
The Shiites belies the Quran, eg. that Aisha the wife of the prophet is pure and clean and innocent.
The shiites stab and cut themselves like ferocious wild animals on Ashura? Now, did Muhammed do that? Did Ali do that? Did Hussein Do that? of course they didn’t?
The Shiites don’t really follow Ali? Did Ali ever hate the copanions of the Prophet? Didn’t Ali get his own daughter married to Omar? Would you marry your daughter to the person you hate most?????
Why do the Shiites teach their kids to hate Sunni Muslims?
The Shiites cursed and vilified the companion of Muhammed for 1300 years. What have they achieved????
I don’t seek to convince you to convert to Sunni Islam. I just want you to have a modicum of honesty.
the money’s good, eh khalid?
I doubt it–despite having an entry in wikipedia he is just a foot soldier, not really a great asset worth spending many of those shekels that bring “true peace.”
Ok, does the Quran urge you to curse the companins of Muhammed?
Does the Quran condone what the Shiites are doing?
Does the Quran tell shiites to slaughter babis on their mother lap in Syria in the name of Hussein?
Besides, the Shiites dont really believe in the Quran?
Didn’t Tabarsi, one of their greatwest theologians, write :فصل الخطاب في اثبات تحريف كناب رب الارباب؟
More to the point, how can Shiites and Sunnis be brothers when A given Sunni says ” Abu Bakr radiya Allah Anh” while the Shiite would say ” Abu Bakr L’aanaho Allah”????????
dahlan…um, i mean khalid
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31907
Controversial Romney Fundraisers in London and Jerusalem
“The ticket price in Jerusalem is $50,000 per couple which exceeds the federal limit for contributions to US presidential campaigns where an individual may not contribute more than $2500 to any candidate including the president.”
here’s your chance to do some important networking with your handlers…
“dahlan…um, i mean khalid”
@Khalid -
“ya Mahdi adrekna!!!!! Ya Ali Adrekna! Ya Battikh Asfar adrekna!!!”
I couldn’t find the translation on Babel Fish. Will you translate for us. cheers
btw Did you know that when you said “evil-doers”, it is a specific term nowadays associated with George Bush jr? 1.07mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsjgjM56HRw
He uses the term over 20 times in the days post 911. Just thought I’d mention it.
Lol, Khalid Haddamry, talking about honesty and moral integrity.
And talking about Tuqua…
Was your Hamas practicing Tuqya in Syria?
Are practicing Tugya in Amman and Doha?
Were your Qaradawi practicing Tuqya when he praised “Yazid of Damuscus”?
Is Mursi practicing Tuqya with Hilary?
Would PIC dare to publish all your bullshit?
However, since we finally met, let us forget Shea and Sunna and talk about your alternative strategy for Liberation.
I invite to comment on the following;
Rats desert a sinking ship, fools ride
“Is it a pre-condition to recognize Israel in order to govern?”
Brothers of America
“O people and political forces”
“Arab spring” is a great asset for Palestinian cause – commented
Amayereh, indirectly,addressing himself and his brothers: Don’t allow yourselves to fall into the trap.
“We can’t take people’s support for granted.”
“dahlan…um, i mean khalid”
He is more dangerous than Dahlan. He hailed Abbas for kicking the ass of Dahlan,and considered that would pave the way for reconciliation with Abbas, the sincere man who tried but failed.
As I said they created Ibn Sabaa’ to avoid blaiming Aysha (ordered by Allah to stay at her home)for fighting Ali in the Cammel batle.
I wonder If the stupid ever heard about Moatazala, who refused to fight.
I wonder if the stupid ever heard about Saad Bin Abi Waqas saying: I won’t fight in Finta unless I have sword that distinquish between who is wrong and who is right?
I wander if the stupid ever heard about Ibn Omar saying: I will not fight in Fitna and shall pray behind the victorious.
All the time the son’s of Kaab, and his briliant students, Abu Hurayra, and Ibn Abbas, prayed behind the Victorious, despite he is a Khalifa, sultan, king, Amir, or president.
Now we have a real living IBN SABAA
You see, you hypocrits and criminals, would raise a thousand issues, all in order to evade your shame in Syria.
You must understand that the ongoing Shiite holocaust in Syria puts you in the company of the Gestapo, the SS and the wehrmacht.
You have already transformed Homs into a Bergen Belsen, Hamaa into an auchwitz, Deer al Zur into a Mauthauzen, and Idleb into a Treblinka.
You are the Shiites of Yazid, not the Shiites of hussein. You are a cancer upon Hussein’s conscience.
Your are the Shiites of Satan, not the Shiites of Muhammed and the family of Muhammed.
the time you when can lie unanswered is gone.
I was hoping you were spent already
you sound “twice blessed” now.
the quisling, not at.
I wasn’t in doubt
@Khalid
“Besides, what is wrong with being Jewish? Aren’t Jews human-beings who may be good or bad likwe the rest of mankind?”
I don’t think the “normal” J’s will be too happy with you hijacking the holy Holocaust to try and get your point over when you go on to say;
“You have already transformed Homs into a Bergen Belsen, Hamaa into an auchwitz, Deer al Zur into a Mauthauzen, and Idleb into a Treblinka.”
unless…?!?
Ibn Saba is mentioned and confirmed in most Shiite books. If you are ignorant of your own Shiite theology, it is your problem, not mine.
As to Aisha she is vindicated by the Quran, so whom are we supposed to believe Allah, or the sons of “Mutaa” and “Quraa”
It is realy sad, you people have turned the religion of Muhammed into a whoredom.
A shiite woman would sleep with any man for five dollars, and then would sleep with multiple men in order to be worthy of joining Zaynab on the day of Judgment!!!
And when she gets pregnant, and is asked who is the boy’s father, she says Ali! or Hussein? or even Mahdi? Hence the boy is named Abdul Hussein, or slave of Hussein!!!
And you call this pornographic cult Islam?
re: Khalid Amayreh July 15, 2012 at 9:48 pm
remember those anti drug use ads: this is your brain on drugs?
He’s gone around the bend now for sure, howling about shia women. Would compassion be premature now? Shall we let him writhe some more?
he obviously doesn’t like women very much. a usual symptom of zionism.
He doesn’t like millions of people very much, that’s a sure symptom
“He doesn’t like millions of people very much, that’s a sure symptom”
that is a definite prerequisite of zionism.
He’s calling you “babe” now… maybe you’re right and he is “twice blessed.”
My thinking is that deLib is like Noah’s boat: the editors want to have at least two of each kind on board. So, since we have only two of them, I think we are stuck with him unless and until a less shrill and deranged one swims by and we can give this one a life vest and let him go…
“He’s calling you “babe” now… maybe you’re right and he is “twice blessed.”
i’ll bet he also thinks he’s a hollywood producer.
Who-me, it seems you have been rendered completely bankrupt by the truth. You have run out of lies and mendacious arguments.
Well, I am afraid I have bad news for you and other Shiite thugs on this site. It is only the beginning, babe.
There’s that “babe” reference again, hmm I wonder…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=KRBLeqsoRew&NR=1
Oh, THAT Babe…. now his references to “bestiality” acquire new meaning
israeli quisling
“It is only the beginning, babe.”
cool, thweetheart, the more you write here, the more obvious your role in shilling for israel is laid bare. go for it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcroft/1963511305/
Shiites and compassion are an oxymoron. The teach their kids from early aqe to curse other Muslims. and on Ahura, they cut their kids’ heads with blades, daggers ans swords. and they have the audacity to call themselves shiites of Muhammed. Verily, they are the shiites of Iblis or Satan.
One of your problems, and by no means the only one or the biggest one, is that we DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR VIEWS ON SHIAS. So why keep babbling on that?
By the way they call Ibn Abbas, Hibr Al-Umma, (Rabbe of the nation)and they call him Turjoman Al-Quran (Quran translator). BTW the way, Jews claimed that Quran is fake, because it said the Azar is the father of Ibrahim, while his real father is Tareh. Ibn Abbas claimed that it is Tareh.
Thanks to Dr. Mohamad shahrour who solved the puzzel, in his moderen reading of Quran and the book. In Arabic we use two words for Father in English. Walid for the biological father, and Abu for the father who raise and educate. So Tareh was the biological father, but was raised and educated by Azar, and since Quran was telling the story of Ibrahim inviting Azer to Islam, Quran described Azar as Abu Ibrahim.
Don’t expect Khalid Ibn Sabaa to realize the differance the difference between the book, Quran, furkan, Moshaf…
Or between Rouh and Nafs,
Kullo Bateekh
‘READ THE QURAN AS IF IT WAS REVEALED LAST NIGHT”
Al-Handullillah, I have never ever known drgs in my life and I don’t smoke or drink alcohol.
Now can anyone guess the number of drug addicts in Shhit Iran? one million? two million? No, they surpass the ten million figures?
And those ignoramuses allude that I take drugs!!!
You see their depravity, mendaciousness, promiscuity, immorality and bestiality!
israeli quisling
“You see their depravity, mendaciousness, promiscuity, immorality and bestiality!”
you got that off your favourite porn site, didn’t you, mohel. i would close that 2nd window, if i were you. you might embarrass yourself still further. it could also get you arrested outside israel.
“…in Shhit Iran?”
Steady on Khalid, now you’re stuttering and swearing. What’s Iran ever done to you?
Thanks Khalid – I never thought of Iran as a particularly immoral place, but now I know, I’m going to check it out!
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=85344&d=1340825780
from another one of your zionist hasbara sites, laura? you sure seem to like reposting their stuff.
It loos like her Turkish friends sent her the crude drawing–the lettering is Turkish. They are also itching to “liberate” Syria.
“They are also itching to ‘liberate’ Syria”. So these Turkish friends are Zionist, right?
To be effective, your sarcasm must get more subtle. Work on it, you’re a bright lad.
You think Israel and the USA are the same – that’s why you consistently use the term ‘USrael’ – and you think that Western pressure on the Syrian regime primarily serves Jewish interests – but, apparently, you don’t think Turkish pressure on Syria is Zionist. Instead of working on my sarcasm, I’ll simply ask you what you mean by criticizing Turks who are ‘itching to liberate’ Syria.
brave jay knott waits until ariadna goes on vacation, then attacks her.
Alex, you’r indulging in hanky panky kind of talks to divert attention from the shiite kufr or disbelief in the Quran.
The shiite simply don’t believe in the Quran?
Why?ecause it was collected by the sahaba of the Prophet, whom the Shiites believe were kafer and apostates!!
But why would Ali give loyalty and allegiance to Abu Bakr and Omar, if indeed God appointed him as true successor after Muhammed.
We have two posasibilities here:
That Ali was a coward, and a traitor to Allah’s covenant;
Or, that there was no covenant to begin with and that Abu Bakr And Omar were good and just Muslims.
So where were Ali’s “divine powere”? Why didn’t he use them to set things straight?? Indeed, why did Ali heap praise on Omar and Abu Bakr in his masterpiece Nahjul Balagha “the path to eloquence”? Was he being a hypocrite? Was he lying?
Ali, it is well known, was the bravest of Arabs, he wouldn’t do things under duress.
Hence, all the Shiite narratives are a sheer fabrication.
“We have two posasibilities here..”
No! We only have one: that under false pretenses, purporting to analyze and opine on the western-backed violence in Syria, you in fact engage in sectarian hate mongering, posting lengthy and seemingly deranged diatribes against people because you hate their faith.
You are a hate monger and a blood thirsty one at that.
Whether you are a willing or an unconscious tool of the warmongers in USrael, you are certainly acting like one.
Thatis the ONLY possibility
who-me, what Israel? You cal Palestine Israel? I thought you were defending the Palestinian cause???
If that’s all you have left it won’t be long now. get the life vest on your way out
wouldn’t it have to be a kosher life vest? does delib have any of those?
Only in tank top tartan though.
http://www.polyvore.com/kosher_vest/thing?id=13843667
No, it won;t do, Wrong coloues. He needs something with pale blue stars.
6 pointed stars. 5 pointed ones wont scare away the goys.
No, a thousand nos, we don’t hate the shiite because of their beliefs, alothough most of these beliefs are diabolical and corrupt.
I hate them for their criminality and nefariousness. I attack them in my writing as I had attacke Saddam Hussein, a nominal Sunni Muslim, for his crimes against the Iraqi people.
In fact, I wrote dozens of articles supporting Iran and Hezbullah prior to the outbreak of the Syrian revolution. They are on the net, anyone can access them!
So the problem is not the Shiites’ beliefs, it is the Shiites’ crimes which we watch on TV every morning and every evening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOxv4nCCqDc
“No, a thousand nos, we don’t hate the shiite because of their beliefs, alothough most of these beliefs are diabolical and corrupt.”
Oh, those are the bits you DONT hate…. Diabolical and corrupt” you can take.
Gotcha.
“the problem is …is the Shiites’ crimes which we watch on TV every morning and every evening.”
So the problem is with the TV
Ariadna Theokopoulos: you are making a threat against me, a terrorist threat. I know it is an expression of frustration and nervousness, but still it is a terrorist threat.
You have five minutes to retract your threat or else. I know how to deal with the matter.
Remember verbal terror is a crime in many countries, including the US.
A note to deliberation: I guess you agree with me on this, that terrorist theats are not tolerated on this site.
And I happen to know the identity and other detailos of the terrorist.
I am neither frustrated nor nervous. Somewhat bored with your deranged tirades, yes. I have no idea — as with most of your babblings–what you are on about this time.
If you are waiting for me to retract anything, pray that you shall live until I do. You would live to be extremely old, not more deluded because that’s not possible, but A LOT OLDER than you are now.
But as an aside, what’t with the zionist kind of Homeland Security menace, is it something you learned in training? Tell them it does not work.
Back off Khalid, if you’ve had enough take a nap!
Since the 5 minutes are up and I have not “retracted” whatever your agitated mind threatened me to withdraw or else you’d report me to your handlers, I expect that you are seriously unwell by now.
I think Laura should make you lie down and put some ice on your head. Hey, it’s just a suggestion, if you don’t like ice don;t take it as a threat.
But seriously it may be a good idea to see a professional. Medical professional, that is.
The TV may lie once, twice, or three times. But it doesn’t lie a million times.
Besides, if the TV is the problem, why don’t the Shiite gestapo and ss allow unfettered media acess to tell us the truth?????
Don’t you see the moral weakness of your position? How do you see your face in the mirror, supporting bloody criminals and murderers who murder innocent civilians? Did Hssein or Ali order you to do that?
Shame on the shameless
OK, don’t say I didn’t give you a chance!!
Listen and listen good ’cause I am only going to say it once.
You tried very hard to insult me but you can’t. You are very limited. It’s not only that you don’t speak the same language (and I don’t mean English), you are from another planet: one very far away to me–dark, filled with hate and thirst for blood. So your insults are just noise. Cacophonous noise.
I have no idea how I’d feel if I were a muslim but I’d like to think that I would not feel insulted then either. I suspect I would be less charitable than alex or mabsout and would not treat your aberrations as worthy of debate. So I would probably respond exactly as I do now: with contempt for your playing the part of a blind tool in the hands of the aggressors just so you can satisfy your blind sectarian hate and with ridicule (which you richly deserve).
Your threats of reporting me to In “countries that punish verbal terrorism” speak to the mentality you have adopted, a pitiable blind tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB-SVvrS4wg
Glad you caught the underlying irony of response to his “threats.”
Now that you are here, I think you should take your boy to a cool place and make him lie down.
He mumbles that he is not going to sleep without having a salad first. Fine, whatever. But he is WAY over the line. Seriously. I think even an average shia hater would recognize that.
don’t worry “fool me once”: My mission is to expose the criminal heretics, otherwise known as the Shiites of Iblis.
Besides I don’t go to sleep before salatul fajr!
Don’t forget to mention your “mission” when the nurse takes your blood pressure and your history.
Now Khalid, try not to take this the wrong way, but, you sound a bit nutty when you start saying things like AT’s a Shiite of Iblis, do you really know what that actually means? Settle yourself down, you’ve been on the ‘putor all day, it can’t be good for ya. After me…breathe in…breathe out…breathe in…breathe out…breathe in…breathe out… and relax
I am taking his threats seriously as behavior that should not be tolerated in any poster on deLib and will make a formal complaint about it. This post shows, as marked (1) delusionary behavior;
2. unspecified threat (he “knows how to deal with the matter”) and (3) threatening to make a false complaints with accusations of “terrorism”"
Quoted and numbered:
1. “Ariadna Theokopoulos: you are making a threat against me, a terrorist threat. I know it is an expression of frustration and nervousness, but still it is a terrorist threat.
2. You have five minutes to retract your threat or else. I know how to deal with the matter.
Remember verbal terror is a crime in many countries, including the US.
A note to deliberation: I guess you agree with me on this, that terrorist theats are not tolerated on this site.
3. And I happen to know the identity and other detailos of the terrorist.”
“The TV may lie once, twice, or three times. But it doesn’t lie a million times.”
Execept Aljezerah, and you after practicing taqya for many years you revealed your true colors.
And take from me. Your Usrael is cornered there they draw all their hidder cards.
Syria Allah Hameeha
http://www.libertas.bham.ac.uk/analysis/The%20Shia-Sunni%20Cold%20War.pdf
http://www.deliberation.info/divide-et-impera-2/
terrorists ought to be treated as terrorists, and making threats to murder someone you disagree with is a brazen violation of the laws of the united States. This is what my lawyer in the US is telling me. And I am sure the law-enforcing agencies are watching this and reading it.
It is not illegal to call anyone, including Barack Obama, names, such as racist, mendacious, and promiscuous. But it is against the law to threaten to kill him,even implicitly. You only have yourself to blame. You have no rights to threaten to murder other people. Doing so makes you a terrorist. And remember, you refused to retract. Every word you wrote will be presented as evidence against you. I gave you a chance apologize, but you succumbed to your arrogance and insolence.
You should have understtod that the moment you deviate from normal discussion and start warning me to get a lif vest indicts you a s a verbal terrorist.
You may claim stupidity or ignorance of the law, but this is no excuse.
If you are working for the Syrian intelligence, you should know that the US is not the right place to practice you criminal activity.
I refuse to believe your excuse, i.e., that you are so stupid as to understand it a “threat” when I said that deLiberation is like Noah’s boat, where we like to have at least two of each species and since we only have two of you, we are probably stuck with you, unless a less shrill one comes along and we can afford to just give you a life vest and let you go.
You may not be the brightest bulb (and no, that’s not a threat of electrocution), but you are not that stupid.
You are pretending to be more stupid than you are so you can threaten in the way you have learned. You seem to have learned your zionism well.
I am complaining about you to deLib. If you wish to make an apology you should try to argue –with examples of your past posts– that you are indeed not dangerous, just dangerously stupid.
“terrorists ought to be treated as terrorists, and making threats to murder someone you disagree with is a brazen violation of the laws of the united States. This is what my lawyer in the US is telling me. And I am sure the law-enforcing agencies are watching this and reading it.”
one wonders how many palestinian people this disgusting quisling has turned in to the israelis, who were then picked up and chucked into the israeli prison meat grinder.
the only people i’ve seen make these kinds of threats of turning somebody in to the security services, like khalid is doing here, were either israeli hasbara, or extremely fascist american anals.
khalid amayreh is not just threatening ariadna theokopoulos, he’s threatening everybody associated with deliberation. he’s doing this to shut down dissent. exactly what the israeli hasbara corps does to sites critical of israel.
laura stuart, how do you feel about your pet israeli snitch threatening the site this way?
Those are all very good points. Hoe did he use these “skills” before?
Indeed, how do you feel, Laura, about his threats to report with “details of the posters”–what might those details be?
Do you think this should be condoned?
You’re gonna make a tit of yourself Khalid if your case rests on the meaning of the words “life vest” when said in the context of “Noah”. Remember him, you know , water, 2 by 2, floods etc. here’s a picture of a life vest;
Btw it really spoils the flow when the witticisms have to be explained.
http://www.pilotmall.com/product/Red-Comfort-Max-Inflatable-Life-Vest/safety
pretend muslim israeli shill
“The TV may lie once, twice, or three times. But it doesn’t lie a million times.
Besides, if the TV is the problem, why don’t the Shiite gestapo and ss allow unfettered media acess to tell us the truth?????”
another sure sign of a zionist is their worship of television and belief it tells the truth.
a sure sign a person is not a palestinian muslim, but rather an israeli jew is the constant use of nazi related terms when describing the people they want to portray as “bad guys”. you, khalid make use of these terms more than most jewish spambots do.
I also liked hise “brazen violation of the laws oft he united states”–a true zionist shill
what khalid amayreh is basically saying is: “agree with my israeli supplied pov, or i will turn you in as a terrorist to the authorities of your country”.
many, if not most of the people being tortured in the various american torture camps around the world were “turned in” in that manner. i wonder how much money per head khalid amayreh gets for those he “fingers as terrorists”?
True, many innocent Afghans and Iraqis ended up in Guantanamo because of that.
What Palestinian would EVER make this kind of statement he made (to which you responded at the time):
“Your genocidal Shiite thugs are committing far more pornographic crimes against the Syrian people than anything done by Israel against the Palestinians.”
Only a zionist stooge.
“Only a zionist stooge.”
exactly.
even if his threats against the people on this site are the empty words of an adolescent reacting to not getting his way, it shows what sort of mentality and with whom he is aligned. that much is now very clear.
Being perpetual liars, the Shiites on this site are capable of saying things and caliming that they mean their opposites. But working for the Syrian or Iranian intelligence must be the ultimate red line.
They can invoke all kinds of lies, but they won’t succeed in denying their sinful relation with the criminal regimes in Tehran and Damascus.
Deliberation is a good medium, but those thugs must not expect deliberation to even appear as if supporting, even tacitly, the genocidal killings of children and women in Syria.
It is a sign of ultimate hypocrisy to oppose the killings in Palestine, while supporting it in Syria.
“Deliberation is a good medium, but those thugs must not expect deliberation to even appear as if supporting, even tacitly, the genocidal killings of children and women in Syria.”
another attack on the site from mr. israeli snitch.
I think 99% of Palestinians would readily agree with the statement.
In one year of Shiite killing in Syria, more than 20,000 syrian civilians have been killed. Tens of thousands injured and maimed, entire cities utterly destroyed.
But in 64 years of Israeli occupation, Israel didn’t kill that many Palestinians. I challeng anyobne to prove me wrong.
Besides the heros of shiite genocidaism, who invoke the name of Hussein after every massacre,have now begun slaghtering Palestinian refugees in Syria because they are Sunni Muslims and don’t worship the Shiites’ 12 gods or imams.
I say this as a Palestinian who lost three ucles to Israeli bullets.
it is sad that the shiites on this list are bereft of simple honesty and rectitude. But then this is what shiism is all about.
In their religion, its ok to lie, to defend one’s political or religious position.
The are God’s lying people.
“It is a sign of ultimate hypocrisy to oppose the killings in Palestine, while supporting it in Syria.”
Nobody is supporting anyone killing anybody in Syria, it’s not a ‘kin hate site. It’s as though you’re trying provoke people into some kind of hate fest.
Be honest now, is this just one big Khalid ego trip to get pole position on the Top 20 Comments list?
” It’s as though you’re trying provoke people into some kind of hate fest.”
That’s their whole purpose, here and, more importantly out there: intra-islamic hate. They taught him well.
yeah, the net result is identical to spamming from a mathis or a bert liine. he’s using the same sort of spamming techniques as most ziobots use. anti-muslim hate intermixed with mindless repitition of zionist talking points intermixed with ad hominim towards others posting and the ziobot standardised, dishonest, one size fits all negative stereotyping of others on the site who disagree with the hasbara.
interestingly a zionazi spambot named ahmed (conveniently “arab” sounding) using the same techniques as khalid amayreh is using here in the comment section at ich:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31865.htm
“Tom is an Alawite supporter, This site has very biased reporting about Syria. HAs not reported honestly who and what are these Alawites of Syria. Their Immense hatred , much more than a coptic christian from Egypt, Alawites are slaughtering Sunni muslims First thing to do, is to Stop donating to ICH news.”
this is a standard attack pattern used by zionazi spambot. when the zionazis were preparing the ground for the war crimes against iraq in 2002-3, the usual attack line was “you love saddam”, “you support saddam’s genocide of the kurds”, etc. it’s the same technique and they use it every time. the zionazis just change the names of the “bad guys” and the “good guys” around to suit their current war crimes.
these people doing this spamming are literally no different than charles manson, inciting others to murder.
Yes, you’re right about “ahmed,” more articulate but same technique and same “lines.”
Another poster there responded very well to ahmed:
“This is no political criticism, it is racist, sectarian, and disgusting altogether, as it seeks to criminalize ethnic, religious groups as a whole, and fuel confessional hatred, a civil war between sects, regardless of their political positions. The ultimate consequence of such positions is genocide, ethnic cleansing…
That is exactly what foreign powers such as the US, Israel, Qatar, and the Saudis, are attempting by arming and funding extremists, in order to break Syria, and to make of it a Wahhabi satrapy and a partitioned state. A sectarian civil war is their best option, and that is what some are helping for with their irresponsible blindness.”
who-me, the only people who really besmirch deliberation are those who side with child-killers, rapists and mass murderers. And you do!
A few days ago, one of your racists scoffed at me because I rejected anti-Semitism. You asked ” Are you Jewish”?
So who is the racist with a clear racist tone, me or you??
israeli snitch
there is a difference between someone who is jewish and someone who is jewish, but pretends to be muslim in order to gain credibility for promoting pro-israeli positions. i’ve run across the latter very often.
dishonest as a jewish person pretending they’re muslim is, they are not half as deceitful as a muslim who promotes israeli crimes, but doing so while pretending to be opposed to them and pretending to be supportive of muslims repressed by israelis.
which one do you want to be?
I would say that this discussion degenerated but then the subject itself–a sectarian propaganda piece proposing Israel as just a “red herring”–was the degenerate product of a third party agenda.
His harangues about the shias deserve only contempt and ridicule but his threats of reporting “with details of the posters” are another matter entirely.
He must have learned snitching from his Israeli handlers and he justifies it by calling his victims “heretics” and “Syrian agents.”
Claiming you don’t support the genocide in Syria is a pornographic lie, befitting pathlogical liars like you.
You support the criminal regime in Damascus to the hilt. This makes you both criminal and liar.
You call me “Jew” and “zionist” an the Israelis call me an “iranian agent” or “hamas supporter.”
The shiites’ stories are many, but in my opinion they are mostly silly.
my “harangues” about the Shiites are actually word-by-word from their books. Unfortunatey, none of you has had the audacity to prove me wrong.
You just keep lying and barking like mad dogs, but you never get close to discussing the veracity or mendacity of my arguments.
I challange all of you to prove me wrong on even one point?
“He must have learned snitching from his Israeli handlers and he justifies it by calling his victims “heretics” and “Syrian agents.”
well, if you have the right to call others Zionist agents, then I assume others have the right to call you Syrian or Iranian agents? Isn’t that fair enough?
Ufortunately, you lie as often as you breathe oxygen…but this is the nature of Shiism.
They lie about Muhammed, Ali, Hussein, and they wouldn’t refrain from lying about Khalid Amayreh
“there is a difference between someone who is jewish and someone who is jewish, but pretends to be muslim in order to gain credibility for promoting pro-israeli positions. i’ve run across the latter very often.”
one doesn’t become “Jewish” or what have you. I think most of the Jews I know have grater moral integrity than you do people.
Why because you lie a lot and knowingly about people you don’t know. and liars are worse than thieves.
How can I relate seriously to such a childish discourse?
you are really a little man or worse.
Up the airy mountain
down the rushy glen
we daren’t go hunting
for fear of little men!!
Can’t you bring yourself to be reasonable for a minute instead of indulging in baseless innuendos and insinuations? Is this how your religion teaches you to relate to your critics? by calling them Jews ans Zionists and other names? Or perhaps you are indulging in defensive reflexes because you are defeated ans silenced?
“Up the airy mountain
down the rushy glen
we daren’t go hunting
for fear of little men!!”
Khalid, you’re getting creepy now, stop trying to intimidate people!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCuKGD2WHgM
Finally, Iranian and Syrian agents have no right to spy on political opponents of the two regimes. I think they are paid to do the job.
i hope, whatever may be our creed, we would not wish to be numbered amongst those who drag the Holy Name of Allah into the arena of sordid political disputation.
in its Eternal Essence, if not yet in its imperfect human manifestation on this planet, Islam brings the Message of Peace.
wars of aggression are the actions of those who have gone astray. of this there is no doubt.
guide us on the path of truth
one who aspires to be a muslim, a Servant of Peace, greets all s(he) meets with the salutation “Peace be unto ye”. such a greeting is spoken by the Heart. mere mouthing of words is formulaic utterance, and means exactly what all formulaic utterance has always meant – absolutely nothing.
not the path of those who go astray
formulaic utterances are the special province of Hypocrites in all walks of Life, and in every corner of the globe. and amongst the Crown Princes of contemporary Hypocrisy (represented by the Knaves in modern decks of cards) are those who incite murder in the name of religion.
fulminations, invective, insults, acrimonious stirring up of hatreds, factionalism…
- being required to prepare a dish for the Princesses of Truth (our human Souls) who would wish to offer only the curried vomit of rabid dogs?
let us be moderate in our language, friends.
and in our disputations, even in, if it must so be, our enmities, let us preserve at least a small residue of respect for each other. the One who created you also created me. love each other or hate each other, we are brothers and sisters.
of this also, most assuredly, there can be no doubt.
“Hillary Clinton Must Resign
Hillary Clinton, to continue in her capacity, like the entire Bush Administration before her, compromises and forever stains the credibility and integrity of the United States. It is ironic that the very violence unfolding in Syria today, which Clinton would have the world believe is the work of the “Syrian regime,” was first blueprinted and orchestrated by the US during Bush’s term in office.
Indeed, according to Seymour Hersh’s 2007 New Yorker article, “The Redirection,” the US, Israel, and the Gulf State despots plotted to assemble and unleash a front of sectarian extremists to overthrow the government of Syria. It was during that time that the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood began receiving funding and support from the West while fighters and weapons were assembled in northern Lebanon under the watch of Saad Hariri.
Not only has the Barack Obama administration, with Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, inherited and perpetuated this violent conspiracy against the Syrian people, it has inherited and perpetuated the dishonor and straining of America’s remaining integrity and global good will. For America’s economy which cannot shoulder another military adventure, for America’s honor which cannot find space to fit another scar, Hillary Clinton must resign and those in Congress and throughout industry must remove support for those squandering the last of America’s once vast potential in pursuit of global hegemony.
Surely Clinton’s resignation would be more symbolic than a serious blow to a system that is in reality driven by corporate-financier interests from amongst their think-tanks, lobbying networks, and media empires, but it would the beginning of a new paradigm that signaled the days of impunity for these special interests drawing to a close.
For the people of America, who most likely will not witness their Secretary of State resign in the wake of the disgrace and irreparable damage she has brought upon her nation, now more than ever they must be resolved to identify, expose, boycott and replace the corporate financier interests for whom Hillary Clinton works. We as a people must begin creating our own, local institutions that serve our interests directly, and begin engaging in real “wrench-turning” activism in place of our current domesticated consumerist attitude towards politics and progress.”
Cartalucci (Land destroyer)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/us-egypt-usa-clinton-idUSBRE86D07520120716
Egyptians pelt Clinton motorcade with tomatoes
“Protesters chanted “Monica, Monica,”
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jo7lJoQhtjw/SxVe9G1OhKI/AAAAAAAAL0Q/hKN-WlFq-Xs/s200/MonicaLewinsky%27sExBoyfriend%27sWife.JPG
looks like clinton’s visit wasn’t exactly an auspicious event:
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/07/15/clintons-egypt-visit-flops-talks-fail-with-junta-public/
Clinton’s Egypt Visit Flops: Talks Fail With Junta, Public, Christians Snub Clinton Meeting
@Adriana – somewhere in this thread of comments you asked me what I think about what Khalid Amayreh has said to you.
I think that commentators especially who-me have been rude beyond belief and you yourself although in a less blatant way have baited and baited so you got the results you deserve. Who-me’s constand facile and juvenile accusations of zionist and jew repeated again and again are very insulting to someone such as Khalid Amayreh who is a victim of Jewish supremacy and even by his own people due to his criticsm of the collaborators of the P.A.
Personally I would have a lot more respect for a man who has evidently not had an easy life and who very recently was picked up again by the P.A. yet is still writing what he believes to be the truth about them. The courage to do that whilst living under the circumstances he lives under should indicate that he is a brave man who is not afraid to stand up for the truth yet here he is met with a childish barrage of name calling such as jew and zionist.
If you and who-me want to control comments on deLib by working together and hunting down or harassing anyone who doesn’t agree with you that is between you and the editor but it really doesn’t reflect well on deLiberation.
Although who-me has also called me a zionist personally I do not give a S*it what you or who-me thinks or what you call me, but everyone is different and those who respond more robustly to your childish baiting have a different personality maybe.
If you noticed it – Khalid Amayreh does not comment directly to me, we don’t know each other so your suggestions that I should lie him down and put ice on his head is deeply offensive to Muslims since he is not my husband or relative. No one expects non Muslims to understand Islam but for sure politically you can understand him and show some respect.
Laura – “If you and who-me want to control comments on deLib by working together and hunting down or harassing anyone who doesn’t agree with you that is between you and the editor but it really doesn’t reflect well on deLiberation.”
I think that’s a bit unfair on Ariadna, who sometimes writes coherent arguments for her views.
Oh, Jay, thanks, but you shouldn’t have! It must have cost you a pretty penny. It’s what I always wanted! I’ll put it on the mantlepiece with the framed dedication from Crick, so it’s visible.
I KNEW you had a scientific background! Your arguments from authority are so convincing…
You know bupkis, Jay. At least on this score.
Interesting, Laura.
1. So, we have been “rude beyond belief” and we baited him, therefore his behavior is our fault and we “got the results we deserve”. That is classic description of a battered women’s syndrome. I assume he, too, is “macho”?
2. It is hypocritical for you to complain of being accused of upholding a zionism-enabling agenda when in this very debate and in this very post you use Zionism 101 methods:
– complaining about my lack of ‘sensitivity’ to your religion–isn’t that a zionist tactic? (and I use YOUR advisedly because it is your take) for my suggesting you should take your boy, make him lie down for a while and put ice on his head on the grounds that…. (I’m not making this up, see your post) I should have noticed you do not address each other in posts, therefore you are not related, therefore an unrelated man and woman… Really!
This from the likes of you two who express, not lack of sensitivity, but visceral hate and abuse for the shias (calling them pornographers, heretics, a religion of whores and murderers). That’s chutzpah.
– asking for special dispensation in debates for his outrageous threats because he… has suffered (pure zionist defense of Israel’s actions based on the holocaust)
– claiming that who_me and I are practically trying to push you two into the sea and take “control” of deLib. (zionist wail ….)
Not only do I have no respect for your views, which I think I can summarize fairly as:
–The Oded Yinon Plan is nothing but a war on Islam. (well, not all islam, only the one you personally recognize as Islam…)
–Insofar as the countries attacked and devastated are run by the much-hated shias or not-yet run by the approved sunnis, the foreign interventions are to be supported becasue they are helping the people get rid of the “tyrant”
–The shias — those heretic and deviationist pornographers–are planning to take over the Muslim world
but aside from finding them absurd, I find them reprehensible and so “respect” for them, despite their being espoused by someone who “has suffered” and by someone who feels she is something of an expert in Islam, is not something you should expect any time soon. I’ll keep checking the temperature in hell to see when the next freeze is coming.
since iran is shia, one of the reasons israel is going full bore promoting a shia-sunni division is so sunni muslims can be hoodwinked into attacking iran. for israel. it worked in iraq, where israeli proxies (and mossad) provoked division there among shia and sunni after israel’s proxies invaded the country. it’s what the zionazis are doing in now syria, or trying to do.
israel’s colonies simply can not invade iran, they don’t have the troops, nor the public support. but if the zionazis can inflame the region with sectarian wars, they can use the sunnis as cannon fodder for an invasion of iran. they were able to get saddam hussein to do that for them back in the 80′s. the americans and nato would then provide air support for the invasion.
in short, this israeli promoted sunni-shia sectarian crap is designed to get sunni cannon fodder for an eventual zionazi attack on shia iran.
having cannon fodder to attack iran is in addition to the more immediate goal of removing any and all nearby support for palestinian resistance. after syria, the israelis will have another go at destroying lebanon and the palestinian support network there. the regional chaos caused by this sectarian crap is also designed to keep the region from forming any meaningful alliances against israel in the future. the zionazis don’t want another nasser preventing them taking over the whole region.
It is true that Israel and perhaps the US as well are trying to divide Muslims, but Iran is also aiding these efforts by allying itself with the anti-Islam regime in Syria that is slaughtering men, women and children In the tens of thousands in order to stay in power. Nothing, absolutely nothing, under the sun, justifies this genocide.
Iran and her allies are saying effectively that a Shiite Hitler is better than a Sunni Hussein. this is unacceptable and refutes Iranian and Shiite claims about Muslim Unity.
Besides the regine in Syria is beginning to target the Palestinian refgugees in Syria while people on this sit are striving to divert attention from the killing.
The same thing applies to Shiite behavior in Iraq, namely hunting down Palestinians living in Baghdad.
Do you know that hundreds of Iraqi-Palestinians have been forced to emigrate to south America as a result of Shiite terror?
The bottomline here is that we need less propaganda and ore honesty, that is the challenge awaiting everyone of us.
You just can not build Muslim unity on the skulls of Syrian children. We are supposed to be intelligent human beings with a moral stance. This is the ultimate difference between men and beasts!
But it is Iran’s allies that are killing the Palestinians now. Don’t you follow the news? it is a sign of diahoneasty not to pay attention to the estimated 200 Palestinian refugees in Syria at the hands of the regime and its agents.
Same thing in Baghdad, the thugs of Iran’s slave Muqtada Sadr are abducting and torturing and murdering Palestinian refugees in Baghdad.
You just can not play both ways, murder our children in broad daylight and then claim you are doing it for our own sake. That is beyond Chutzpah.
I think brother that we can see that human rights or human lives are not what some people who post and comment on here care about.
Many people on this site are only interested in Power, mostly Jewish power and they express this by poking fun in some cases or intelligently discussing the reality that “We are all Palestinians”.
Those who are disinterested in how many humans are killed have been exposed.
Non Muslims cannot be expected to understand why Sunnis are upset by Shia deviation and no one is interested in a theological discussion so it is pointless to even expose their deviant beliefs and practices.
For those of us who put their trust in Allah s.w.t. we try our best to live according to Quran and the sunnah of the Prophet s.a.w. knowing that Allah promised victory to the believers.
” we can see that human rights or human lives are not what some people who post and comment on here care about.
Many people on this site are only interested in Power”
We are all exposed! How could we think for a moment that we could escape detection by Laura’s keen powers of analysis and understanding?
Thank you Laura, when the rabbles vilified Jesus, calling him all sorts of names, he said : Forgive them father, they don’t know what they are saying.”
“Forgive them father, they don’t know what they are saying.”
Have you got a reference for that sentence Khalid. I could be wrong but I think you’re confusing it with;
“Forgive them father, they don’t know what they are doing.” during the crucifixion stage of Jesus’s life.
We Sunni Muslims do not believe that Jesus was crucified.
But I do forgive all those who assaulted me, perhaps God will forgive us our sins, too.
No hard feeling on my part.
The Jehovah Witness’ say he wasn’t crucified either, they say he was nailed to a torture stake, and that the crucifix was a representation of Tammuz, a Babylonian deity.
So what do you think happened to Jesus then?
deLiberation: Khalid “Ibn Sabaa” faning Sunni-Shae Fitna
Alex, the only people who are fanning Sunni-Shiite fitna are those shiite thugs who carry out pornogrphic killings of innocent children and women and men in Syria and then shout europhically and gleefuly “Hussein!” Ali! Mahdi!
Even the Nazis didn’t know that.
The shiites revolted against a Baathist tyrant named Saddam Hussein.
Now, most Shiites are identifying themselves with another despicable Baathist tyrant who happened to be Shiite.
Where is your honesty? Where is your morality? Where is your sense of Justice?
Doesn’t Allah say in the Quran “ولا تركنوا الى الذين طلموا فتمسكم النار” و لا يجرمنكم شنآن قوم على ان لا تعدلوا اعدلوا هو اقرب للتقوى.
As to ibn saba, he was a jew who disguised himself as a Muslim. He is widely considered the founder of the Shiite sect. He is mentioned in Shiite books.
It was he who invented the worship of Ali as god-incarnate?
Even today, the shiites think Ali is a kind of god. The shout “Ya Ali when they need help.”
In Syria Ali is worshipped as God: In their prayer, the Alawites say ” اللهم يا علي ابن ابي طالب يا حيدر يا كرار يا خالق الليل والنهار اللهم ارزقني واحفظني الخ”
A few days ago, I watched an Iranian athlet, a weightlifter, saying a prayer before lifting a heavy weight: He said, Oh, Ali, help me!!! He didn’t say Oh, God help me!!
But Ali couldn’t even help himself; he was assasinated, he couldn’t protect his wife from the Nasibis, he couldn’t carry out the divine covenant, he couldn’t restore fadak, ad he pledged allegiance to the kaffers. He worked with them about 20 years; and he married his own daughter to Omar and he named his two sons after Abu Bakr and Omar!!! why do you hide these indormation from your people???? Why?
According to your narrative, Ali was too weak, too cowardly. How could you implore a weak god for help when he wouldn’t even help himself?
you can see the Iranian athlete praying to and imploring Mahdi to help him. And you blame us when we say the Shiites are polytheist and anthropomorphists.
True monotheists should worship God alone and associate no other gods with Him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUOkbydi0o4
Besides, do you think attacks on my person by the Iranian-funded sites, such as the one cited above, will shake a hair on my body?
We will not be intimidated by the terrorists and murderers.
It is ironic that Iranian newspapers and media pulish my articles while these thugs keep vilifying me.
it is sad that the Iranian radio and TV, are regularly interviewing a “Zionist agent”!!!
Iranian TV interviewing “Zionist agent” Khalid Amayreh
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2657.htm
Iran’s Press TV interviewing “Zionist agent” Khalid Amayreh:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/232355.html
Zionist media attacks Khalid Amayreh:
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.6772/pub_detail.asp
Now, the Shiites are joining the Zionists in attacks on Amayreh.
Israel could embark on the unthinkable by “Zionist agent” Khalid Amayreh:
http://qbwdp.com/articles/119/the-swine-flu-conspiracy
I strongly urge you to watch this,,,,,,by “Zionist agent”:
http://vimeo.com/44382099
See this by “Zionist agent” Khalid Amayreh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCJjVl64zo
I don’t like to spoil my time watching ugliness. I don’t care about what you said, I care for what you do and say now.
You asked:
“why do you hide these indormation from your people???? Why?”
History facts are available for those who dig for it.
Have you seen the Video od you brother Mosab?
why do you hide these indormation from your people???? Why?
I know the history of Islam, in fact history of Muslims. I read it with a critical eye.
Why you hide the fact that Mohamad Ibn Abu bakr was one of the Killers was the Killer of Othman?
Why you don’t tell us that Aysha said: Kill Naathal referring to Othman.
تَعْني عثمان
Why you hide the fact that Allah ordered Aysha to stay at Home? Why you hide the fact that she remembered the Prophet when the Dogs barked? Why you don’t tell us that her nephew Abdullah Ibn Al-Zubair lied to here, and she continued her mission, the mission of fighting Ali?.
Why you don’t tell us about the conversation of Al-Zubair and Ali, who reminded him about the Prophet telling Al-Zubair that he would fight Ali? Why you don’t tell us about Al-Zubair leaving the battle after the conversation amd killed from the back by an arrow shot by Marwan Ibn Al-hakam, the PM of Othman?
Why you don’t tell us that Othman violated the Prophet sunna by allowing Al-hakam, the excile(Tareed Rasoul Allah), to return Al-Madina?
For those who don’t know, Al-Hakam is the grandfather of All Amawis Kings Except Moawiya, and his son Yazid, and his grandson the second Moawiya, who was removed by marwan. I believe you know why?
I know you would lie and say that my information is from Shea book. No “sir” it’s from Ibn-katheer (Al-bidaya wa Al-Nihaya). Go and dig and you will find similar stories in Tareekh –Al-Tabari, and other Sunni yellow books.
Why I am bringing all this dirty laundry?
To tell you a simple fact: The straggle was not about religion it was about political power, and that struggle started at Sakeefat Bani Saeda before the burial of Prophet Mohammad PUH, While Ali was busy with the burial.
Get it Idiot
Forget what happened in history, forget:
علم الناسخ والمنسوخ
الوحي الثاني
الاجماع والقياس
اسباب النزول
وعلم الرجال
Read Quran as if revealed to you yesterday
Alex, don’t prevaricate, I am not taking history, I am talking religion.
The religion of Islam was completed and perfected during the Prophet’s life. All the nonsense you come up with happened after Islam was completed and perfected!
There weas no tatbeer, there was no Ashahadu anna aliyan Walliyo allah, there was no toqya, there was no mutaa adultery, there was no cursing of the companions, there was no pilgrimage to Karbula and Mashhad and Najaf, the Quran was the same Quraan, no hidden mushaf, no immamate, the Prophet never told Muslims to worship Ali or Mahdi or Abbas that he would be successor.
you should know that Shiism is a false religion that was invented and concocted after Muhammed.
99% of Shiism was developed after Islam was perfected. after the following Aya was revealed:اليوم اكملت لكم دينكم واتممت عليكم نعمتي ورضيت لكم الاسلام دينا”
Muhammed and Ali never did the things that today’s Shiites do, Muhammed and his family never stab or cut their bodies with blades and daggers as Shiites do today. Muhammed ad Ali never worshipped temples and graves, they never beseached imama and sainta.
Besides, I challeng all Shiites to produce a text from the Quran proving that Ali was appointed as imam from Allah?
If indeed, Ali or anyone else were imam, he wouldn’t have pledged loyalty to Abu Bakr and Omar. Ali never ever claimed he was appointed from God. If you are poor in religious knowledge as you obviously are, then bring to the fore some Ayatullah to debate me.
So, don’t continue lying to yourself and to your ignorant people about this cult called Shiism which has nothing to do with Islam.
Tomorrow, you will die, and Ali and his family will confront you: They will tell you ” Sorry we didn’t tell you we had heavenly poweres, we didn’t tell you to curse the Sahaba of the prophets, we didn’t tell you the Quran is imperfect, we didn’t you to make supplication for me instead of God.
You have made the same mistake that the Christians made, namely worshipping Jesus as God, when Jesus never ever claimed that he was God.
I know it is shocking for anyone to find his religion to be phony and false, but this is unfortunately the case with Shiism. It just doesn’t withstand the vigorous scrutiny of religion and history.
Now,if many or most of the things Shiites do were not done by Muhammed and the family of Muhammed, then why do you do it?
Or perhaps, you Alex, who even don’t feel safe enough mentioning your real name, is more knowledgable of Islam than Muhammed, Ali ad Hasan and Hussein.
Didn’t Hasan make peace with Mauwiya? Didn’t he recognize his rule as legitimate?
“Or perhaps, you Alex, who even don’t feel safe enough mentioning your real name, is more knowledgable of Islam than Muhammed, Ali ad Hasan and Hussein.”
Since I started my online activim, three were desperate to know my real name.
Mary rizzo of dead PTT
Vieled Laura ( The only agent indelib according to jonathan)
And Khalid Ibn Sabbaa’
“was no mutaa adultery,”
There was Mutaa marrage, and it was prevented by Omar.
“Didn’t Hasan make peace with Mauwiya? Didn’t he recognize his rule as legitimate?”
Yes he did, he recognized that Mauwiya rule was legitimate, with conditions
Why you don’t tell the full story.
“Most caliph chronologies do not include Hasan ibn Ali among the Rashidun Caliphs. However, many Sunni Muslim historians, such as Suyuti, Ibn al-Arabi, and Ibn Kathir accept Hasan ibn Ali as the last such caliph.^
Suyuti in The Khalifas who took the right way page 9 and History of the Caliphs Vol 12Ibn al-Arabi in his Sharh Sunan al-Tirmidhi 9:68-69 refIbn Kathir in The Beginning and the End Vol 6 page 249-250
“Most historians say that large sums of money and promises of vast properties and governorships of provinces were offered to commanders of Hassan’s army who left him,one of which was ubaydallah ibn al abbas,the commander of Imam Hassan army …so ceded power to Muawiya, signing an agreement that he would return the caliphate at his death.
According to Shia scholars Hasan stipulated that the caliphate should be returned to him if he was still alive after Muawiyah’s death, otherwise it should be given to his younger brother.[21]
According to Sunni scholars[who?] Hasan stipulated that Muawiyah should follow the Qur’an and the Sunnah, allow a parliament (shura) as regards the caliphate after his death and refrain from any acts of revenge. Muawiyah accepted the conditions attached to the peace treaty;
the enforced public cursing of Ali, e.g. during prayers, should be abandoned
Muawiyah should not use tax money for his own private needs
there should be peace: followers of Hasan should be given security and their rights[22]
Muawiyah proceeded to Kufa and demanded that the Muslims there pledge allegiance to him as caliph. He also asked Hasan to join him and support him in the fight against the rebellious Kharijites. Hasan is claimed to have written to him in response: “I have abandoned the fight against you, even though it was my legal right, for the sake of peace and reconciliation of the Muslim congregation (ummah). Do you think that I shall then fight together with you?”[23]
Muawiyah did not comply with the terms of the treaty, saying to the people of Kufa, “do you think I have taken power to teach you? No, I have taken power and if any one of you tries to disagree with me he shall pay the costly price of the loss of his head.”
He carried out his ambition of keeping the power in his family by nominating his son Yazid as caliph after him. But the decision stirred widespread agitation, particularly amidst prominent personalities such as Hussain, Abdul-Rahman ibn Abu Bakr, Abdullah ibn Umar, Abdullah ibn Al-Zubayr and others….
According to historians, Muawiyah wished to pass the caliphate to his own son Yazid, and saw Hasan as an obstacle. He secretly contacted one of Hasan’s wives, Ja’da bint al-Ash’ath ibn Qays,..
Shia Muslims believe that Ja’da was promised gold and marriage to Yazid. Seduced by the promise of wealth and power, she poisoned her husband, and then hastened to the court of Muawiyah in Damascus to receive her reward. Muawiyah reneged on his promises and married her to another man.[37]….
The shrine of Hasan’s tomb was destroyed by 20th century Salafi Saudis.[7]
“God have Honey soldiers” he said.
So, the Shiites think that all the Prophet’s companions and wives were kafer. Oh, Muhammed must have been such a bad teacher and the Quran which praised tem must be wrong. Only adulterous Shhite ignoramuses, who even don’t know their fathers, know better.
“I don’t like to spoil my time watching ugliness. I don’t care about what you said”
so yesterday, I was a “Zionist agent” and now you don’t care what I said.
If you were taking part in an academic discussion and made such arguments, you would be fired instantly for lack of objectivity ad honesty. I feek sorry for you.
Al-Hamdullilah, I have proven you and other little people on this site wrong. Your falsehood cries out to the seventh heaven.
Anothyer question for the ignoramuses:
Did Ali, your de facto god, ever curse Abu Bakr, Omar and Aisha?
And if he didn’t, why do you not take him as your example?????
You see, you are not really the Shiites of Ahlu al Bayt, you are the Shiites of Iblis.
One more question: if Omar were Kafer and inimical to Ahlu al Bayt, why did Ali praise him in Nahju al Balagha, Was Ali lying?
why did he marry him his daughter Hafsa, would you agree to have your daughter married to the person you hate most? Why did Ali act as Omar’s deputy when Omar traveled to Jerusalem?
Was Ali sincere or not in his service under Omar?
Did Ali advise Omar sincerly or deceitfuly?
Besides, according to the Shiites, Ali possessed Godly powers, so why didn’t he use these miraculous powers against the “nasibis, the Kafers who usurped his alleged divine rights?”
You see the utter fragility and falsehood of your beliefs?
I challenge you all to conduct a logical and rational debate of all subjects pertaining to Shiism.
friends of israel sure know how to spew out tons of meaningless drivel, but let’s not forget the important roles they have to play in spreading democracy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1jZ1pMl6M
“Ali was busy with the burial.”
true, but where was Ali’s God, why did He allow what happened to happen? Where were Ali’s miraculous powers? According to Shiite theology, Ali is in control of thunder, lightening, the winds, and he could strike earth with his sword into two parts!!!!!!!!!! is this Greek mythology or Islam????
Where were Banu Hashem? Ali may have thought he deserved to be khalifa, and he mifht have been correct in such thinking, but he never ever invoked any divine right. He never claimed that he was appointed by God to be Khalifa as Shiites erroneously think?
Besides, is it lgical to think that tens of thousands of Sahaba would leave the faith suddenly and disoby the Prophet, and side with ABU Bakr? We are talking about people who sacrificed everthing in their lives to serve Islam and spread it around the world!
So, if Ali was an imam appointed by God, why didn’t he fight for the divine covenant? Why didn’t he fight for the divine authorization?
Was he a coward, No he wasn’t
Was he weak, o he wasn’t?
The only remaining probability is that Shiites are liars and Ali was just another ordinary Muslim and that his relations with the rest of Sahaba were based on love.
“friends of israel sure know how to spew out tons of meaningless drivel, but let’s not forget the important roles they have to play in spreading democracy”
Who-me, some people, when cornered and silenced with the truth, resort to making silly jokes, or make distractions, or raise their voices, or allude to innuendos and insinuations.
This site is watched by many. I advise you and your band of ignorant fanatics not to insult people’s intelligence.
Don’t use Israel as a red herring!!!! since, in this case at least, it exposes your bankruptcy.
“Don’t use Israel as a red herring!!!! since, in this case at least, it exposes your bankruptcy.”
back to defending master, i see.
poor little israel, everybody picks on them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA5fP0n9fnk
it’s really terrible how palestinians take advantage of israelis by overcharging them for palestinian body parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6cD4UAw3eg
Everybody seems to have had their say and nothing much is now being said here.
Perhaps we ought to draw this thread to a close?
So Fre3e Speech or not Free Speech ?
A wonderful idea about 200 posts ago, even better now, Paul
@Paul
Everybody?? Even though Khalid agreed with you over 3hrs ago he’s still kursing away. Alex and others seem to be enjoying themselves as well. Not sure if irony is the right word, but, the longest comment section on deLib involving muslims in a discussion about Islam, Muslim beliefs and israeli sly shit, has time called on it by a jew, and it’s not even his article. Weird!
It’s probably quite cathartic calling people devils and evil.
It works for searching, she loves an outburst at least twice a week, why deny others?
Alex, why do you come up with these questionable and controvesial events?
these were political wranglings which don’t concern us. Will God on the Day of judgement ask me of my opinion of Ali or Aisha?
These are historical events, regardles of their historical accuracy.
The should have nothing to do with the religion.
Was Islam as a religion not perfected and completed before these events?
I don’t care if Ali was right or wrong or if Aisha was right or wrong. Allah will take care of this matter. Sorry, I didn’t live during that time. And I took no part in that fitna. doesn’t the Quran teach us “ولا تزر وازرة وزر اخرى”
I agree with you Paul.
isten, Khalid, i want sincerely to thank you, yes, i’m quite serious. you see, you’ve just helped me to understand what the palestinian elite is like. it is like yourself, like abu mazen, like salam fayad, saeb erekat, raed saleh etc. too bad for the simple people of Palestine, but i personally, after years of struggling for the palestinian cause, decided to give up and not to waste time any more. After all, if the jews kicked you out of your country – it’s your own fault isn’t it? but what is of particular interest is that people like you and raed saleh go around and teach other peoples how to lose theirs, Syria to begin with. i must say that you are excellent teachers in losing countries! And btw if accordig to your anti-shia rantings only your(presumably salafi) god is the true god, and the shia god is not, how come in this case that the only arab group capable of facing the jewish army, liberating and defending their country was a shia led lebanese resistance whereas you salafi people have only been able of shitting in your pants and surrendering? the only thing you slafi people seem to be capable of is detonating bombs in mosques and of Baghdad and Damascus.
“I am not taking history, I am talking religion.”
You are not talking religion; the Shitty bag above your shoulder is just leaking the shit accumulated during 1500 years of dictatorship, I mean by dictatorship the alliance of Pharaohs, Qarouns and Hamans, referred to in Quran by term term Al-Malaa’ (Political power, Financial power, and Media) by Media, I mean, the Sultan’s Salafi system.
Everything you leaked and everything I said and may say about Shea and Sunni believes has nothing to do with religion, and when I say religion I mean the living Quran and only the living Quran, nothing else.
If you really believe that Islam was perfected, after the following Aya was revealed:اليوم اكملت لكم دينكم واتممت عليكم نعمتي ورضيت لكم الاسلام دينا”
You should have the carriage to say 99% of Shiism and Sunnism was developed after Islam was perfected. Both faked Hadeath to support their political claims, both used and abused Quran in their tafseer, interpretation to support the same political claims.
Can you tell me why the difference between Sunnis and Shiites on Inheritance?
A tough question for your one cell shitty sectarian brain…
To make it simple for you
In shiism, the uncle don’t inherit despite the gender of the children deceased person. In Sunnism the uncle inherits if the deceased has no son or sons, even if he has 10 daughters. Can you tell me what justice is that?
I am not blaming the religion. I am blaming the male interpretation of the religion.
I shall not elaborate more, though I doubt that you would storm your brain and dig to find the answer, who is right and who is wrong, with your sectarian education, Shiites are always wrong.
“I agree with you Paul.”
I don’t agree paul
Alex, nothing has changes since you first responded. The number of people who give any credence to the statements expressed in the article is still ONLY TWO. It will not change in either direction. If you continue responding you will get the same rote ‘material’ on and on and on–if you abstain (no matter how provoked you feel) the author will eventually put a bag on it, which I bet all pof us wnat, except the author.
Paul is right. Stopping here is a good idea.
Khalid Ibn Sabbaa’ asked “So, if Ali was an imam appointed by God, why didn’t he fight for the divine covenant? Why didn’t he fight for the divine authorization?”
I neither believe that was appointed by God as Shiites, nor believe that Abu Baker was appointed by God. And that explains why Ali didn’t he fight for the divine authorization?” but he fight for peoples authorization.
I read too much about Sunni claims and Sunni bullshit “evidences” that Mohammad wanted Abu-Baker to be his successor, some Sunnis call you Kafer if you don’t believe that Abu-Baker, was the best Muslim, followed by Omar as the second best, Othman as the third, and Ali the fourth. They mix religion with History of religion, and therefore, what happened in History became an integral part of religion, and religion can be comprehended with reading it on the light of that history.
Yes Abu Bakr never claimed that he was appointed by God to be Khalifa, but I read nothing about Shea claiming he said
In fact check: In his first address to Muslims Abu Bakr said: I was selected to rule you, but I am not better than you.
In sakeefat Bani Saeda, Omar’s first candidate was Abu Obaida Bin Al-Jarrah, not Abu baker….
However, based on my intensive readings, I am inclined to believe the Prophet Mohammad wished the people to choose Ali, but that has nothing to do with revelation.
Moreover, in classifying the first Muslims, Sunnis say:
Among the men Abu Baker was the first man embracing Islam. The first woman was Khadeeja, and the first boy was Ali.
The root of this type of classifications is political to hide that fact that Ali embraced Islam before Abu Bakr.
Putting Gender and age aside, I have no doubt that Khadeeja was the first, Ali prophet’s cousin, living in his home was the second and Abu Baker was the third.
botafogo: IF the liberation of Palestine depennds on us accepting the genocidal Shiite cult, which was founded by the Jewish figure Abdullah ibn Saba, then we would prefer to remain under the Israeli occupation. We don’t want your support or Backing. you can join the Mossad if you wish.
Your heretic sect-cult which is murdering children and raping women in Syria, has one and only goal: Destroying Islam.
You are far more dangerus to Islam than Israel is.
” we would prefer to remain under the Israeli occupation”
no need to say that, i realized it in the very first words of your rantings. and btw dont play too much with the idea of “remaining under the Israeli occupation” which people like you obviously enjoy, because the jews sooner or later will kick you out of Palestine to one of your beloved Persian Gulf salafi dictatorships.
or maybe they will magnanimously allow some people like you to stay behind because after all they do need people like you to clean up shit, that’s probably what you are working now so hard for, to earn that right.
“you can join the Mossad if you wish”
thank you! maybe i would give this idea a consideration but i’m sure that even if they had a vacancy it’s already been taken by one of your ilk. after all it’s no secret that the number of palestinians, i mean palestinians like you, “preferring to live under Israeli occupation”, spying and snitching on each other for the jews is mind-boggling.
“You are far more dangerus to Islam than Israel is”
sure! for YOUR interpretation of islam, that is: shitting in your pants and surrendering to your enemy, “preferring to live under Israeli occupation” and snitching on your fellow palestinian for the occupier.
يا الكس يا ابن المتعة والقرعة:
you are escaping and evading my questions because you can not answer them. Answering them would expose the utter falsehood of your despicable cult.
You are indeed the Shiites of Iblis, not the Shiites of Muhammed.
Muhammed never lied, but the Shiites are liars par exveellance.
If Ali was not appointed by God, then you are either practicing Toqya or you don’t know what you are talking about because you can’t be a shiite unless you believe that Ali was appointed by God as imam.
If Ali fought for the people’s authorization as you claim, then why did the very small ban of supporters sand with him? where were his divine powers? and why did he work with the “wrong-dowers” for 20 years?
According to the Shiites, Ali was too cowardly and too weak to be a ruler.
He even couldn’t protect his own wife….!!! when she was attacked (shiite mythology) by Omar.
Would it be right for Muslims to choose a weak and cowardly leader to rule them????????????????? Of course was neither weak nor cowardly. It is the Shiite hate-deiven narratives that portray him as such.
You see Alex, your religion is so fragile, so artificial, and so sham and phony. It is like the Arabian nights. It is a combination of lies, sex, forgery, hate, and fanaticism.
But you people are too fanatical and too self-absorbed to humble yourself before the truth.
The imam of Muslims, said Imam Ali, is the one Muslims will choose as their leader. Ali may have desired to be imam, The Prophet may have wished Ali would be chosen as imam. Fair enough.
But then Muslims chose Abu Bakr, then Omar, then Othman, the Ali! So where is the problem? Whether the choices they made were the best or not, every thing they did was perfectly comatible with the rules of the Quran.
And who says the rulers have to be the best of the best. Do you Ahmadinejad is the best man Iran could produce???
Alex, the Sunni Muslims have perfected the descipline of Hadith. They have sifted the authentic hadith from the false one.
The have perfected the ulum of Hadith, like Jurh and Tadeel, and so on, The shiites don’t have this.
The shhites don’t have a single book of authentic hadith.
But we have the Sehah, like al Bukhari and Muslim and many others.
Finally, I agree with you that the Quraan should be the ultimate arbiter.
But where in the Quran is the imammate of a specific person is mentioned?
Iam decidedly with Ali against Muawiya, I am with Hussein against Yazid….but I can’t allow myself to be carried away by fabricated historical narratives that are illogical if not mythical.
I disagree the claim “the Sunni Muslims have perfected the descipline of Hadith. They have sifted the authentic hadith from the false one.
They have perfected the ulum of Hadith, like Jurh and Tadeel, and so on, The shiites don’t have this”
For me Sunna is nothing but pratical sunna, pray like yo saw me pray, and such thing.
I have the 9 books (ALSuhhah Altisaa)
I know Bukari, who owned 1000 Jareya, filtere hadeath from 70000 to some 7000 and if you remove repetitions you go down to about 2000.
Go read the intruduction of Shaheeh Muslim, and you will find the political influence on the so-called ulum of Hadith, and Jurh and Tadeel.
I advise you to go and read BaB ridaat alkhabeer in Shaheeh Al-Bukhari, to see that.
However, I have no problem with accepting any Hadeeth even if its fake as long as it doesn’t contrdict Quran.
According to abu hurayra, Prophet, prevented writing his sayaying. He said:
أكتاب عير كتاب الله بهذا ضلت الامم من قبلكم وهو يقصد اليهود والنصاري وقد فعل المسلمين نفس الشي، لم يحرفوا النص لكنهم حرفوا المعني بالناسخ والمنسوخ
وغيره
Finally, I agree with you that the Quraan should be the ultimate arbiter.
But where in the Quran is the imammate of a specific person is mentioned?
botafogo: I would rather be in hell with the Salafis than in Paradise with people like you.
And if I found shiites like you in paradise, I would asked God to take me to anothwer place.
You are too evil, too mendacious, too criminal, too depraved, too virulent, and too dishonest to go to paradise.
We don’t want to have any thing with the heretics, the cursers of the Copanions, the Shiites of Iblis.
“I would rather be in hell with the Salafis”
and that’s exactly the right place for you and your ilk!!!
I am not avoiding question and would talk about religion and history of that religiom. Its you avoiding talkins about History, because that History is mainly the history of sunnis since Mouwyah hijacked the Al-Killafa and tuned it into Kingdom (Mulkum Addoud), followed by Abssaids, and Ottomans, and now American brotherhood and neo-ottomans.
“IF the liberation of Palestine depennds on us accepting the genocidal Shiite cult, which was founded by the Jewish figure Abdullah ibn Saba, then we would prefer to remain under the Israeli occupation.”
With or without you ac, yepting the so called “genocidal Shiite cult” (resistance culture, you decided to remain under the Israeli occupation.
inorder not to rock the Brotherhoods boat you sold Palestine from river to sea, satisfied with the “smart” policy of your American brothers in Egypt which will create an absolute linkage between commitment to the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty and Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.
Your sister Hilary carried Mursi’s message to Natanyahu: I shall respect Camp David and shall not lift the siege on Gaza.
Rats desert a sinking ship, fools ride
He will never put a bag over it if you don’t stop feeding him.
Is this written in bold type to illustrate your anger ? Perhaps bold letters = shouting ?
No laurah, its bold to help your eyes behind the veil.
I think Ibn sabba needs you help. Some cold water to flush the burrel of shit above his shoulders
Ariadna Theokopoulos: I disagree with you, a lot of things have changed.
Before I came you had a carte blanche to spew your venom and spread your lies to fellow readers who have very scant knowledge of Shiite mythology and criminality.
Now, your lies have been exposed. Your nefariousness has been exposed, your shamness and shamelessness have been exposed.
You needed someone to trim you long lying tongues, and that one showed up.
Isn’t that quite a change?
The Israelis are laughing at the Muslims now. Go over to Harrys place and check out the recent post called “The madness of Al Dunya”.
Certainly the zionists have learned how to hi jack the Arab spring.
I don’t care about history, God will not ask me about it. And even if Muawiya hijacked the khilafa, after reaching peace with imam Hasan, whom Shiites call مذل المؤمنين, this doesn’t mean that every thing was wrong, and that you people have the rifgt to curse the wives of NMuhammed and the companions of Muhammed.
Why don’t you follow the golden rule: mutual respect?
Why do your Hawzas not issue an edict forbedding Shiits from badmouthing the companions?
Would you not be hurt if someone insulted your religious symbols???????????
Then why do you insist on insulting ours????
You have been badmouthing us for 1200 years. What have you accomplished?
Your culture of resstance is a culture of murder, rape and terror. You assassinated Rafiq Harriri, and now youق Nazi-like Shabbiha or thugs are slaughtering children and raping women and breaking into shops, stealing merchandise! Is this how you carry out the resistance?
And now your treacherous regime in Damascus is preparing to use Sarine, the deadly poisonous chemical, to exterm8inat millions in Syrai……..for the sake of Palestine!!!!!!
Undoubterdly, you people would feel quite gleeful and celebrate !!! يا علي يا عباس يا لثارات الحسين!!
What did Larry Silverstein say when asked about this thread?
(Many thought he was talking about #7)
yeah, he said: “let’s pull it!”
and of course you’re right, A|riadna, enough is enough
Nah let it run, Khalid’s on a roll. Ok a compromise – when Khalid does the next devil curse followed by mwaahahaha!!! – that’ll be the cue to “pull it”.
this thread is good for khalid’s image and reputation. so good, i hope many, many people read his words of wisdom here. especially palestinian people. some of them might still not know what a wonderful treasure they have in their midst.
A Golden treasure to boot!
(btw that’s a turn of phrase Khalid, look it up before you call your lawyer)
the “goose that laid the golden eggs”, so many, in fact, it’s difficult to avoid stepping on one of them.
You people are ignorant of your own religion. That is the problem.
Don’t you know that nearly all Shiite ulema acknowledge that the Sunnis have a great advantage over the Shiites with regarfd to the Hadith??????
pls, don’t argue about things you don’t know. Otherwise, you undermine the level of debate.
You are ignorant of your own religion and your own history.
Yes Sunni have a great advantage over the Shiites with regard to the Hadith??????
Do you know why?
Because:
1-Sunni had the political power the financial power, and the media power, they were the opresser and shiites were the oppresed.
2-Shiites as an ideology does’t exist Until, Jaafar Al-sakek.
3-Shiism was a political party, and all Ali’s supporters such as Ammar bin yasser, and many other Sahaba were considered Sunnis by Sunnis and Shiits by Shiits
4-And, because Hadith was written on ASR ALTADWEEN ((عصر التدوين, ie, by Abasaids.
I advise you to read the Book: REVIEWS المراجعات
It is a debate between Shiites Shaik Sharafideen and Imam al-Azhar Salim Al-Bishri. The debate is based only on Sunni Hadith books.
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I asked you about the difference between Shiites and Sunnis regarding inheritance.
You ignored my question because they fed you sectarianism not Islam.
Your Immam Al-shafii, to please the Abasaid’s sultan, decided that your chlildren in Ayat Al-Irth (Inheritance verses) means Boys, though its clear for elementary schools students that Awladakum (Your Chldren)includes boys and girls, males and females.
يوصيكم الله في أولادكم للذكر مثل حظ الأنثيين
The dispute after the fall of Amawiyades was not about inheriting funds,land and cammels, it was about political inheritance (Who has the right to govern), the grand sons of Prophit’sdaughter Fatima, or the grand sons of his Uncle Abbas?
Imam Shafii decided that as the prophet had no living boys his daughter can’t exclude the right of his uncle Al-Abbas.
Do you know that many wealthy Sunnis converted to Shiism because none of the Sunni clerics dared to challenge Imam Shafii’s Fatwa?
Go and read the correspondence between Zein Al-Abideen the grandson of Ali and Abu Jaafar Al-Mansour the grandson of Al-Abbas.
“I don’t care about history,”
You mean the History of Sunna Muslims.
However, those who don’t care to read their history with critical eyes will never be able to make their future.They wait their American Mahda, a new Eizenhower.
Look at these animals? And they call themselves Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxmeUH7NrFU&feature=fvwrels:
Look how the Shiites distort and besmirch the religion of Islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYWXoVCeMHg&feature=related
The question I want to ask: Did Muhammed and Ali did that?
And if the didn’t do it, why do you do it?
was not Islam completed and perfected during the Prophet’s life?
Did Muhammed and Ahlu al bayt do that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=nN3rkVwD6Ec
If they didn’t, then why do the shiites do it?
Look at these pagan rituals, and they claim to be Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6rHASz_Vao&feature=relatedims:
A shiite ayatullah says the Quran is corrupt, distorted, ye they claim to be Muslims:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Md4cHilfDE&feature=related
don’t mix history with religion, the religion was completed and perfected. The religion belongs to God, but history is made by people.
the central problem is this:
you badmouth the Sahaba. Ali and his family didn’t do that.
So, why don’t you follow Ali in this if you are truly the Shiite of Ahlu al Bayt?
I think the true ahlu al Bayt are the Sunnis, not the Shiites. At least they don’t curse and malign Muslims aS YOU DO.
CURSING and hate is the heart of the Shiite religion. The word forgiveness and love don’t exist in your dictionary.
“The religion belongs to God, but history is made by people.”
If people follow the word of “God” through a holy book, religiously, then surely “God” made his-story by proxy?! Case closed.
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“CURSING and hate is the heart of the Shiite religion. The word forgiveness and love don’t exist in your dictionary.”
If the word hate is in their dictionary, surely the antonym love is there also.
As far as Cursing goes, you seemed calmer this morning after your post-salatul fajr nap, then you crescendoed into a full on insult binge. What happened to what you said 12hrs ago?
July 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm
“But I do forgive all those who assaulted me, perhaps God will forgive us our sins, too.
No hard feeling on my part.”
“I think the true ahlu al Bait are the Sunnis, not the Shiites. At least they don’t curse and malign Muslims aS YOU DO.”
Its amazing that you still insist that I am a Shiite. However, that is not the Issue.
You Sheiks taught you that: Kullo battikh
The Sword has 70 names, and so on, where it proved that no two words has the same exact meaning.
Sayef Means Sword, Muhanad don’t mean sword. It means a sword made in India.
I will give a free lesson in Arabic.
You claimed AHLU AL-BAIT ARE Sunnis.
No stupid.
Go and do a serch on the word AHlU(أهل أهله) in quran and you will find that it mean his wife.
Therefore we say in Arabic Mutaahil (Married).
Quran used the word Ahil referring to the wives of Ibrahim, Noah, and Lout, so the term Ahlu Al bait, Means includes the wires and the children (members of the family). I don’t think Abu baker and Omar were members of the Prophet’s family.
قال الله تعالى { يَا نِسَاء النَّبِيِّ لَسْتُنَّ كَأَحَدٍ مِّنَ النِّسَاء إِنِ اتَّقَيْتُنَّ فَلا تَخْضَعْنَ بِالْقَوْلِ فَيَطْمَعَ الَّذِي فِي قَلْبِهِ مَرَضٌ وَقُلْنَ قَوْلاً مَّعْرُوفًا {32} وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَى وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا {33} وَاذْكُرْنَ مَا يُتْلَى فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْمَةِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ لَطِيفًا خَبِيرًا {34} }
32 . O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear ((Allah)), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.
33 . And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.
The Murajaat is a fabrication. It was written after the death of the alleged Sunni co-Author, I read the book more than 30 years ago.
Besides, the Shiites are more than 70 sects, the differences between two shiite sects, e.g. Ithna ashariyya and Druze are greater an deeper than the differences between the Shiites and the Sunnis. The Druze and Alewhites don’t pray, don’t fast, do not make pilgimage to Mecca, they actually have no mosques!!!!! and you consider them Muslim!!
But my question remains: Ali and Ahlu al Bayt co-lived, intermarried and cooperated with the Sahaba,why do you curse the Shaba?
Isn’t Ali your ultimate example?????????
Ok,if the wives of the Prophet are among Ahlu al-Bayt, then why do the Shiites vilify and badmouth them???
when I said the Sunnis are Ahlu al Bayt, I meantthey are the true followers of Ahlu al-Bayt.
Why, because there is a total harmony between what Ahlu al Bayt said and did and Sunni Islam:
the Sunnis don’t believe in toqya, the sunnis don’t practice the adultery known as Mutaa, the Sunnis believe the Quran has not bee corrupted, the sunnis don’t believe we need intermediates with God as the Shiites do, the Sunni don’t curse any companion, the sunnis follow the Azzan as was the case during the time of the prophet, the Sunnis make Hajj to Mecca, not to karbula, the sunnis when making supplication to God, thy say Ya Allah, not Ya omar or Ya Ali or Ya Mahdi!
you see, who is closer to Ahlu al Bayt, the Sunnis or the Shiites who turned their religion into a despecable folklore based on sex, lying and cursing and stabbing their bodies on Ashura!!.
who would convert from worshiping the one God, to worshipping 12 gods?
If a certain issue in shiite jurisprudence is treated in a plausible manner, this doesn’t mean that everthing in Shiism is correct.
In Shiism, ploytheism is conspicuous.
Don’t you see the Shiites, implore their imams, not God? This is like Catholicism!
“who would convert from worshiping the one God, to worshipping 12 gods?”
make those 12 goddesses and i would. but then, i’m not “twice blessed”.
How do you feel about batiks and salads?
batiks are something i’m very familiar with. i’ll have to consult the leadership of the local bat colony. if they are willing to talk with me after the last fiasco.
salads are ok if based upon spinach rather than lettuce. but brain salads should probably be referred to the surgeons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_zo0FiNheI
Consult away and let me know when I return online how things are at batmotel–tomorrow I’m up and away
i made a typo:
“batiks are something i’m very familiar with”
batiks are something i’m not very familiar with
the bat leadership said batiks have nothing to do with bats and that they had no opinion on the matter.
that leaves only one alternative, batiks are shea deviltry designed to bring colour to an otherwise proper black and white zionist world.
Montheism is over-rated. Pantheism worshippin of multiple gods is better I reckon, that way you can spread the divinty around more evenly.
Worshipping one god leads to arguments over the trademarking of God as we have here on this thread.
Religion and supremacy do not mix.
You are wrong Jonathon, Monotheism is the one factor that should unite Muslims Jews and Christians.
The first commandment given to Moses a.s. is to worship one God, known as Tauheed in Islam.
Having agreed on the One God we can now argue for a couple of centuries on how to workship him.
I suggest you stock up on popcorn.
Funny that, it did not work out too well did it. Other than circumcision and one god (names vary) its all a big mess. Montheism is Religious Supremacism, if that were not the case then we would have wordl peace. But due to rival interpreations aboout which is the right name Od God, right fanchise, right books… we have perpetual war.
It just a bit simple to put all you divinity into one basket and not expect trouble.
Personally I do not believe that wars are about religion even if sides are defined along religious lines, they are about power and territory.
Jonothan,
I’m not an explicit worshipper but those who do worship one God do so, not because it leads to more or less arguments, or for any other reason or expediency. They worship Him because (for them)He just is (He exists).
can not one worship one deity and believe in many? or vice versa? believe in one deity and worship many? what about all of the above?
does it have to be an if or or thing?
Again, when cornered, they resot to silly jokes and other stupid remarks to vent their frustration and helplessness.
that ole israeli hubris…
Nearly at 400 comments.
http://edu.glogster.com/media/5/26/14/58/26145862.jpg
Israel needs to take action like take the Palestinians back to save them from Assad, since they are pretending to care.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-14-palestinians-shot-dead-in-syrian-refugee-camp-1.366496
“Israel needs to take action like take the Palestinians back to save them from Assad, since they are pretending to care.”
Is it the Brotherhood’s alternative stratigy for liberation and right of return, or for Jordan option?
No surprise,
“I have lived under the Israeli occupation for 45 years, and I can claim honestly and candidly that Israeli violence against us is nothing compared to Assad’s genocidal extermination of the people of Syria”. Khalid Ibn Sabaa
Ibn Sabaa can claim honestly and candidly that black septemper against Palestinians is nothing compared to Assad’s genocidal extermination of the people of Syria
Who is killing Palestinians in Syria?
Hamas slams killing of Palestinian troops in Syria
Wikileaks on syria
http://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-a-world/12102-wikileaks-thousands-of-irgc-and-lebanese-hezbollah-fighting-in-syria-in-support-of-assad
even if it were true then what would be wrong with people coming from iran and lebanon to syria just to help eliminate some of the salafi terrorist scum flocking to syria from all over the globe?
Your venemous and murderous hatred towards Sunni Muslims has already been amply exposed by yourself in previous posts, therefore, I feel it is completely unnecessary for me to reply any further to your trolling.
Nothing wrong, but Syria don’t need their help, unless Usrael joins its Islamists.stooges.
After killing the Ministor of Defence and other leaders today,I assure the Islamist’s Dracola the Syria will break its bone.
While Israelis and islamists are rejoicing the “GOOD NEWS” comming from Damuscus, the Bad news came from Balghria, 7 Israeli killed, tens in injured. Bad news for Khalid Ibn Sabaa. I assume he would blaim Shiites “thugs”
Beautiful prayer for the people of Syria.
Reports of helicopter gunfire in civilian areas of Damascus including Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp
ooops I forgot the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGv1xUvHbzA&feature=player_embedded&noredirect=1#!
once again
Prayer for the people of Syria, Palestine, Afghanistan Iraq and all oppressed people
I understand the frustration and despair of the Shiites of Iblis because their despicable regime in Damascus is collapsing. the Shiism of Iblis itself will collapse like a house of cards one day . قل جاء الحق وزهق الباطل ا ن الباطل كان زهوقا:
for those who don’t know: the criminals killed in Syria today were responsible for the murder and rape of many thousands of people.
Now, the Shiites of Iblis will use chemical weapons to stop the downfall of the regime. But that would herald the end of the regime because the international community will not allw these shiite nazis to commit genocide against innocent civilians.
Look, they are so desperate, so furious, that they accuse Suni Muslim of standing with Israel.
In a certain sense, I don’t blame them, they are losing their mental equanimity, they are losing their composure, they are losing their propaganda war. Even here, on deloiberation, their bankruptcy is being exoposed. I really feel sorry for them. But then this is kismet of the wrong doers.
In few minutes Nasralla will appear to cellibrate the devine victory of 2006, the big bang, that changed the world.
Israel and israeli stooges killed Imad Mughniyeh.
killed the director of rusia’s militaty intelligence.
Assasinated many in Syria.
Today they killed three Syrian Imads
“Long live JIHAD”
And these animals claim to be killing their own people for Palestine!!!!!
These Nazi sectarians are a sttigma of shame upon the forehead of humanity.
Imad Mughniyes was a genuine Shahid, May Allah’s forgivenness and mercy fall on him. He shouldn’t be lumped with murderers, rapists and child killers.
Hezbullah is hurting and undermining its credibility by identifying itself with the regime of Adolph Assad.
قال تعالى: ولا تركنوا الى الذين ظلموا فتمسكم النار.
The Shiites of Iblis who are coming from Iran, Iraq and Lebanon, and also probably drom Bahrain, are not helping the Alawite thugs liberate the Golan Heights from the Israeli occupation.
They came in order to murder Sunni children and rape Sunni womenin order to expedite the appearance of their hidden god, the Mahdi.
And these animals claim to be serving Islam.!!!!
The self-appointed representaive of God accepted Imad Mughniyah as genuine Shahid.
May Laanat allah fall on you and your likes.
The shiite of Iblis: are liars, liars, liars
If they were true Muslims, they would not realy embrace an atheistic regime that fight mercilesly every Islamic aspect, that officially adopts the atheistic Baath ideology, that promotes godless secularism!
Besides, how could the ulema of Shiism consider heretics who don’t believe in God as Muslim, people who don’t pray, who do not fast during Ramadan, who don’t pay Zaka or Khoms, who do not make pilgrimage to Mecca, who don’t even bear witness that there is only one God, and that Muhammed is the last messenger of God.
How could true Muslims view these heretics as Muslims. Is this compatible with the religion of Islam????????????????????????????????????????
Alex the curses are falling on you and your heretic sect, which is going to be crushed soon. Syria is only the beginning.
Sorry, the Shiite of Iblis are losing, losing, losing and no matter how furious and indignant, this won’t help you.
Khalid Amayreh
July 18, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Alex curses are falling on you and your heretic sect, which is going to be crushed soon. Syria is only the beginning.
Sorry, the Shiite of Iblis are losing, losing, losing and no matter how furious and indignant, this won’t help you.”
and here i thought dershowitz and greenstain were warpos. you israeli quislings are really something.
“May Laanat allah fall on you and your likes”
Alex is invoking God’s curses on me.
The translation of her screed “May Allah’s curses fall on you and the likes of you.” This really amuses me.
It seems the frustrated lady is losing her mind. She is so frustrated and so iritated.
Well, I am afraid I have bad news for you Nahida. your god is losing, your Assad is losing, the Shiites of Iblis are losing, Hezbullah is losing and Iran is disintegrating under international sanctions.
You the Shiites of Iblis are very much like that proverbial whore in the month of Ramadan, she is shunned by everyone.
I assure you Muslims will truimph eventually, you may murder 10,000, 100,000 or even a million, but eventually the people of Syria and other Muslims will break your crush the criminals.
“It seems the frustrated lady is losing her mind. She is so frustrated and so iritated.”
you israeli gays don’t like women, much, do you. it must really gall to be upstaged by a woman.
Who-me, what can I do for you? If you are losing hope and think of suicide, I can do nothing to help you.
Sorry.baby
i’m not your “baby”, twice blessed.
Who-me stop being so juvenile and constantly resorting to labelling anyone who you don’t agree with as gay and or zionist.
are you beginning to regret your choice of horse to back, laura? do you really still think he helps your image in the role you are playing?
Who-me I really do not know what or who you mean here in your comment.
I rely only on the Creator and not any of His Creation.
Nasrullah is not telling the truth: He praises the Syrian regime, but ignores the criminal credentials of tht regime.
Doesn’t he know that tens of thousands of Syrian civilians have been murdered and injured by the regime’s thugs.
Doesn’t Nassrullah knoe that the Syrian regime doesn’t allow soldiers to perform prayers, a siimpe human right.
few people probably know this, but khalid has been imortalised on film:
http://www.scriptgodsmustdie.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Shining.jpg
“honey! I’m home!”
A woman who practices multiple Mutaa with a multitude of people! hahahahahah
“A woman who practices multiple Mutaa with a multitude of people! hahahahahah”
damn, i should have waited a minute or two and posted that poster pic here instead. but then each post from him is crazier than the previous, so one could end up waiting indefinitely waiting for the most insane of rant.
Hasan Nasaral
We express our condolences to the Syrian leadership, army and people and condemn the attack that served the enemy interests
This is Syria, the Syria of Bashar Assad and martyr Leaders Assef Shawkat, Dawoud Rajiha and Hassan Turkmani
When the Arab regimes were barring bread and money from entering Gaza, Syria was sending weapons with food for Gaza and took risk for that
Syria is a big problem for the Americans and Israelis because Syria is the real supporter for the resistance and especially at the military level. Most rockets the fell in Haifa and in the center of the Zionist entity were Syrian made
Palestinians join the FSA – so today Assad instructs his forces to shell al Yarmouk camp.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Jul-18/181033-palestinians-join-syria-revolt-activists-fsa.ashx#axzz210t4bhdL
I suppose by the reasoning of some posters on this site that makes Palestinians zionists.
Alex, so everyone criticizing your primiscuity and heathenism is gay!!!! how can childish people like you put up real resistance to your enemies?
wipe your tears, baby!! I feel sorry dor you!
Nasrulla is a liar: the ones killed today are not martyres, they are despcable evil criminals who are responsible for murdering tens of thousands of innocent people.
How could murderers be martyrs????? Alex, Nasrulah and you are fornicating with the truth, wih language!!!
The second goal was to overthrow the Assad regime and subject it to the American-Israeli scheme
If the resistance was to be crushed, the war was aimed then at Syria on the pretext that Syria helped the resistance
does the daughter of random mutaa, who may not even recognize the man who sired her, have the right to call non-suiters gays? hahaha
Alex: why would America overthrow the Assad regime? The regime remained utterly silent for 40 years, it didn’t even fire a singe bullet toward Israel, which occupies the Golan Heights?
You peole are insulting people’s intelligence.
“Long live President Bashshar al Assad, who is a real hero , by his courage , his patience and forbearance . The attempts at ruining the reputation of the president of Syria will turn against the propellers of lies , never a president will go arm in hand to slaughter his own people with knives and daggers , one must be stupid and credulous to believe such lies . But the world order and USA and Allies have set their minds on having only stooges rule Arab and Muslim countries and NOT real men..’” Danial Mabsout
“Syria is a path for the Resistance and a bridge of communication between the Resistance and Iran,”
“I have two [proofs] for Syria’s role [in supporting the Resistance]. The first one is that the most important rockets that targeted Haifa and the center of “Israel” were made by Syrian military and given to the Resistance. Syria was an aid to the Resistance and gave weapons that we used in the July War; not only in Lebanon, but also in the Gaza Strip.”
Sayyed Hassan Nasralh
MY BEEBLE LOVE ME YEAH !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vSy_bDR2v8&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGIky5lrRMo
“BEEBLE”?? as in #2?;
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beeble
“Beeble” As in this famous song from our most loved dictators top hits. We are still waiting for Assad to release his new c.d. but there are rumours that he may have been injured yesterday or today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tSjfBKRo7I
Alex, a truely heroic leader wouldn’t murder his own citizens, orders his army to slaughter children, and rape women by the thousands in order to satisfy his cultic and sectarian whims.
Indeed, praising Bashar Assad is very much like praising Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Ariel Sharon and other world criminals.
It also shows that the praisers are totally oblivious an callous to the tens of thousands of victims who were murdered or maimed or violated on Assad’s direct instructions.
I think criminals shouldn’t be given tribune on this site, for those who side with the criminals, are criminal in their heart of hearts.
In the final analysis, what is occuring in Syria is not happening on a different planet. The whole world is saying the criminal junta is slaughterng the people in order to stay in power.
So could the whole world be wrong, except these sectarian liars who lie as often as they breathe.
Yes, it is nice to be neutral But it is even better to be honest. The Syrian regime is decidely criminal and nefarious.
Saddam committed a fraction of Assad’s crimes, and we condemned him.
Now the shiites of Iblis (satan) are euphoric and gleeful about Assad’s pornographic crimes because he belongs to their criminal sect, a sect that is based on hatred, criminality and mendacity.
So what Nahid (alex): Joseph Staline fought the Naziz relenlessly , but he was responsible for murdwering more than 15 million Ukrainians and many others.
The Assad regime did support Hizbullah, but does this justify the genocidal killing of his ownpeople?
Where are the people of reason and rectitude to silent these ignoramuses who are trying to shower this site with their sectarian garbage?
Khalid, there appears to be two or more people commenting from your computer. The last two above posts;
July 18, 2012 at 10:11 pm and
July 18, 2012 at 10:18 pm are 7mins apart yet are significantly different in style, competency in spelling and grammar. Tell the truth, is there more than one of you posting under the name Khalid? If so, that’s pretty lame. You have to think up your own insults man, or your friends need to log in, there is a civilised way of doing things you know.
nice catch. they are obviously spamming. but who? i could guess, but i think everybody probably understands what laura and her “friends” have been up to now.
It is really sad that the Shiites of Iblis have turned millions of men and women into liars, thieves, perpetual adulterers, cheats and common criminals.
It is rweally disgusting to see these sectarian thugs stab and kill babies with swords and daggers and then shout gleefuly and sadistically Hussein! Mahdi! Ali!!
And the thgs call this resistance to America and Israel!
who-me are you hallucinating? or is it the afterahocks of the damascus earthquake?
Khalid Amayreh only speaks for the anti-Islam sectarian US-Wahabi-Salafi crowd. He is either ingorant of Shia school of thought or a bigot.
First of all – Bashar al-Assad represents the Ba’athist Party – an Arab political movement of atheists who were born into Muslims, Christians and Druz families. Assad family belongs to Alwite clan, who profess to be one of the 37 so-called “shia branches” – have nothing in common with Iranian, Pakistan or Indian the “12-Imami Shias”. The later perform daily prayers, fast in Ramadhan, pay annual Zakat and perform annual Hajj like the Sunni Muslims. Contrary to that Syrian Alwites don’t built mosques, perform daily prayers, fast, pay Zakat or go for Hajj.
Tehran and Hizbullah support Bashar, because he is one of the “Axis of Resistance” against the US-Israel-Saudi Arabia-Turkey “Axis of Imperialism”.
Bashar is far less criminal and traitor to his people than Sunni Kings Abdullah II (Jordan), Abdullah I (Saudia), Hassan (Morocco, Emirs of Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait or Hosni Mubarak of Egypt to name a few.
As a Lebanese Sunni cleric once said: “If Iran is defeated, the entire Arab world will be occupied by Israel”.
Late Sheikh Deedat, a Sunni scholar from South Africa, after visiting the Islamic Republic in the 1980s had stated: “Iran is the last defense against western colonialism – that’s why that country scares me”.
http://rehmat1.com/2011/11/05/the-coalition-of-evils-against-islamic-republic/
Hi rehmat I have tried unsuccessfully to post comments on various articles on your blog. Just so you are aware in case there is a fault.
Thanks Blake. You’re the first one who is having problem posting comments on my blog. Honestly, I cannot figure the reason.
No, count me in also.
“He is either ingorant of Shia school of thought or a bigot.”
Why is it either, or? Can’t he be both and still more (like stooge)?
@Rehmat
Aye, we worked that out after reading a few of his horrid posts, thankfully he has moved on to spread his muck elsewhere.
i have observed a few wahabi/salafi ‘preachers’, who appear to be full of hatred.
not a pretty sight.
but then the western media are dominated by a similar sort of hatred. it is just that their rhetoric is better-manicured, to appeal to the sentimental prejudices of their mass audience. it is ok to kill people as long as it is a humanitarian operation, &c &c.
but to question actions of the US government these days runs dangerously close to incurring the double charge of:
1. anti-philosemitism (i.e. a form of crypto-antisemism, which is still distinguished, for the purposes of Homeland Security, from anti-philocryptosemitism, the latter covering the hate crimes of people who oppose the supporters of the right of Jews to disguise the fact by adopting erstwhile non-Jewish monnikers)
2. offering cognitive support to real and potential terrorists.(OCSTRAPT)
just a minor change in the US constitutional paradigm.
@Rehmat & Ari
I agree with Ariadna, he seemd to be both to us, we just couldn’t work out whether he was being sponsored by some faceless NGO for his “journalistic” offerings.