Well, maybe. But who claims that? ‘Melted steel’ is an invention of 9/11 truthers. You need to stop making things up.

To me exactly the opposite is true. I cannot buy the story that the boys with boxcutters who had taken lessons to fly Cessnas and did poorly even on those too were able to fly jets and carry out a complex operation of this sophistication, have top secret military information available (NORAD, etc) and also the incredible, unexplained luck of the interceptors sleeping on their jobs.
I am not capable of suspending disbelief the way you can.

“you imply, we all KNOW that passport, and that will, were fake…”
If you believe that passport was sitting unscathed on top of the rubble of melted steel, Jay, you can believe anything. Sorry.

“I do ‘eschew that side of the argument [physics] entirely’. That’s because you can’t do science until you’ve understood logic.”

So you could “do science” but what stops you is that you’re talking to idiots incapable of logic so it would be wasted on them.
That is actually insightful. Perhaps that was the rationale in concocting the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy theory: we can tell them anything and they’ll buy it because they don’t understand logic, much less science.

The bottom line is simple: the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy theory is impossible to swallow. Start from there.

“The danger is that the 9/11 truth approach, if left unchallenged, will have a similar effect on Palestine solidarity.”

Is that the danger really?!? Can you please elaborate on how demanding an impartial investigation on 9/11 would harm the cause of Palestine, and can you additionally define “Palestine solidarity,” please?

in your writing on 9/11 you don’t make one single logical adult argument. you don’t discuss any evidence. your red-baiting is like that of a j edgar hoover groupie or a neo-nazi skinhead. in fact all you do is insult people and generally behave like a typical jewish zionist disruptionbot or an old time mccarthyite froth spewer.

are you even able to make a logical argument based upon reason? or are you just another opinionated little boy?

You imply that 9/11 truth is no more complicated than the official conspiracy theory. A real terrorist attack would be complex. But how much MORE difficult would it be for someone to organize what LOOKS LIKE a Islamic terrorist attack, but isn’t? And then carry out a cover-up… This is especially true if you believe the mysterious ‘they’ planted explosives AS WELL AS persuading men to hijack the planes and crash them. Oh, wait: in dismissing the ‘clever boys with box cutters’ theory, you seem to suggest the planes WEREN’T hijacked.

Like I said, the ‘explanations’ of 9/11 truth require more complex explanations to explain them. You seem to think you can use smiley faces to dismiss evidence of terrorism – nudge nudge, wink wink, you imply, we all KNOW that passport, and that will, were fake…

You argue that the evidence against your unspecified conspirators is as strong as that of a murder allegation against a man with a record of beating his wife, who was the only person who could have entered a ‘triple locked house’. But this house wasn’t locked.

You say I deny Israel did it because ‘nothing essential has changed’. But I also argue that Israel had no reason to be involved, because US subservience COULD NOT increase by much, since it’s already at around 99%. And the ‘evidence’ of Israeli involvement is circular, or insubstantial. And I’ve SEEN Muslims celebrating 9/11. But that doesn’t count. I must be a ‘denier’. You actually use that word?!

I do ‘eschew that side of the argument [physics] entirely’. That’s because you can’t do science until you’ve understood logic. Ariadna – how can you use the QUANTITY of ‘architects and engineers for 9/11 truth’ as an argument? I thought you had a scientific background.

JB asserts 9/11 enabled Israel to ‘further enhance its position and steal more land’. This thesis is easy to test. Did 9/11 INCREASE the rate at which Zionism ‘enhanced its position’? The attack on New York didn’t give Israel its excuse. It was attacks in Tel Aviv.

The program of the Jewish necon cult – http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm – doesn’t mention Afghanistan. But it does suggest overthrowing Saddam Hussein. If they were clever enough to falsely make it look like Saudi terrorists did it, why didn’t they implicate Iraqis?

9/11 truth belongs to the general category of thought which turned Bolshevik Russia into a lunatic asylum. Julian Assange is threatened with death by US politicians, and falsely accused of sex crimes in a REAL conspiracy – he needs and deserves solidarity.

Yet contributors to this site are suspicious of him because he doesn’t believe 9/11 was an inside job. Stalin’s followers’ method was self-reinforcing: it was impossible to get out of. Anyone who challenged it was suspect. Dissenters were labeled ‘fascist’. Today, it’s ‘hasbara troll’. The danger is that the 9/11 truth approach, if left unchallenged, will have a similar effect on Palestine solidarity.

Cognitive dissonance (CD) makes sense as an explanation and it may also explain why, in an effort to decrease the discomfort of CD they generally avoid discussing the central event as officially narrated, and prefer to nibble on the speculations related to WHO did it, trying to deride them.
Unfortunately, because Israel “looks good” for it, that places them in the position of denying at all costs that Israel may be involved, a focus that inevitably exposes them to the risk of being seen as trolls.

One of the reasons the 9/11 truth movement continues unchallenged…

a ludicrous premiss. the author is either wilfully blind or disingenuous, perhaps both.

also, let us deconstruct “the 9/11 truth movement continues”. since there is no ‘movement’. this sentence should begin one reason why a continually increasing number of people are questioning the ‘official narrative’ concerning the 9/11 attacks…

it’s difficult to debate with people who use psychoanalysis…

Festinger’s theory of cognitive dissonance is a useful explanatory paradigm in psychology. it has nothing to do with psycho-analysis

the author is either being disingenuous, or is wilfully ignorant.

the 9/11 articles of faith ……

this method of ‘argumentation’ is beneath contempt for several reasons. i need not elaborate.

the author is disingenuous.

it defies reason to blame all the crimes…

in what way defies? and whose reason?

does it defy reason to ‘blame any of the crimes’ on the usual suspects? how many such crimes might be allowed to us?

more importantly, in what sense is the demand for an impartial enquiry into the 9/11 events and their aftermath (including the cover-up, the movement of US authority towards a soviet-style secret state, and the greatly aggravated US-Israel aggression against Islamists) blaming anyone? we may have our suspicions. they may be based on good information. but the enquiry, to be objective, must not be based on any assumptions.

the author is disingenuous and wilfully blind

try to implicate Israel

Israel’s fingerprints are everywhere in this crime. there need be no trying, moreover Netanyahu implicated Israel. Larry Silverstein implicates Israel. Dov Zakheim implicates Israel. etc. etc. etc.

the author is being disingenuous.

these Einsteins figure

again, as a form of argument, beneath contempt. the collapse of building 7 was due to what? a couple of burning curtains?????????????????

tentative conclusion: the article is a rather dated exercise in hasbara trolling.

“Thea said Stephen, a former Los Angeles police officer turned FBI Special Agent, had been diagnosed with depression due to some unspecified incidents while working for the FBI.”

he only had been working for them for 3 years. that’s a short time to rack up a depression. unless what he discovered was something pretty devastating, like a false flag set-up, or evidence of previous ones.

ivens is still missing. sachtleben is facing a possible 30 years.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/15/justice/ex-fbi-agent-pornography/index.html

“Sachtleben is currently an Oklahoma State University visiting professor, according to his online resume. He is director of training at the school’s Center for Improvised Explosives, but all references to his work have now been removed from the university’s website. There was no indication from the school as to whether it had suspended him.”

the cnn story fails to mention his work on 9/11. remember what they did to ritter? this looks like a similar frame-up.

so what did these two discover?