(Updated) Hasan Afzal “Takes The Biscuit” With His Call to Action
by Laura Stuart
Friday, June 29th, 2012
More lies and scaremongering about Muslims and Islam from Hasan Afzal of Stand for Peace. The target this time is a conference which aims to educate Muslims on the virtues and excellence of fasting and praying in Ramadan.
Afzal is calling people to action and judging by the comments on our favourite Islamophobia award winning blog Harry’s Place he is managing to propagate P.T.S.D. very successfully. Here is his rallying cry
On the 8th of July 2012, the Grand Connaught Rooms in London will host a conference featuring several hate preachers. Their repertoire includes justifying suicide bombings, glorifying jihad, promoting venomous homophobia, spreading crude antisemitism, and encouraging reprehensible bigotry against Shia Muslims.
Without going through every point I will pick just one. Afzal writes that Sheik Haitham al Haddad supports F.G.M. This is an outrageous and probably libelous claim, as no Muslim scholar will support something that is Haram in Islam.
“Good Boy Gets the Ziobiscuit”
How much longer are we expected to allow this petty failure of an individual to conduct witch hunts against some of the leading Islamic scholars of our time? He has no background of Islamic knowledge to give any weight to his nefarious claims.
Irony indeed that Afzal is calling a conference with the title “Month of Mercy ” a “Jihadist conference” and he is calling people to mercilesly hound the venue providers the Connaught Rooms, with phone calls and e.mails.
Zionist bullying tactics exposed yet again.
IMPORTANT UPDATE
According to the Stand for Peace website the Connaught Rooms have cancelled this event. Hasan Afzal is claiming this as a victory for himself and the readers of Harrys Place who he called into action to apply pressure on the venue management.
After a successful campaign by Harry’s Place readers and others around the web, I am pleased to announce that the Jihadist conference that was suppose to take place on the 8th of July 2012 has been cancelled.
Interesting to see that Afzal makes it clear just who is the audience that he performs for. Amongst the comments of appreciation on the Harrys Place blog are the promise of many more ziobiscuits and perhaps even some kosher Good Boy choco drops if he can have more Islamic events cancelled. Such as the one due to be held soon at the Emirates stadium, being such a useful shabbos goy obviously has to have its rewards.
Afzal might have been a bit hasty in claiming the victory as entirely his own however, as we read that the English Defence League and The Casuals United Team or C.U.N.T. (see the heading on their blog) had also taken up the “Call to Action” and were threatening to protest outside the event. According to the blog “Islamophobia Watch” this is not the first time that the E.D.L. have answered the call from Harrys Place read all about it here.
However, the international counterjihad movement is not the only source of inspiration for the EDL. They also take their cue from the terrorism-supporting Zionist blog Harry’s Place, as is shown by their enthusiastic response to a “call to action” against a so-called “jihadist conference” in London next month, posted at HP by Hasan Afzal of British Muslims for Israel.
A rather unfortunate alliance but one which clearly puts the all the racists and Islamophobes together.
According to the Casuals United blog
After discussions with our London reps, the venue have agreed to cancel. Well done to them!
“The safety of our staff and guests is our absolute priority at all times. After careful consideration and liaison with the local police force we have taken the decision to cancel the booking.”
So we are starting to get the real picture now. Hasan Afzal compiles a dossier of cobbled together out takes from various talks scholars have given and with his evident total lack of Islamic understanding manages to provide no context to explain what has been said. He then posts a call to action on Harrys place which mobilises individuals who are pro Israel, groups of racists and football thugs who bombard the venue providers with the misinformation they have been fed and make threats of protesting outside. But interestingly the Connaught Rooms management were not taken in by any of this circus, what they did was speak to the local police for advice and the local police instead of doing their job to uphold public law and order in the face of potentially rampaging hordes of drunk racists and football hooligans advised them to cancel the event in the “interests of health and safety”.
Some commentators on Harrys Place are not entirely happy with their new coalition with the E.D.L. and Casuals United but others had this to say
Sometimes it doesn’t matter how you get there as long as you arrive.
So there we have it, no fear of violence or hatred from the speakers booked to expound on the virtues of fasting and praying in the month of Ramadan, rather according to this email from the management of the Connaught Rooms fear of violence against their property and staff by our home grown racist thugs stirred and goaded into action by Afzal and Harrys Place. I rally do not think Harrys place should be congratulating themselves on their ability to mobilise racist thugs.
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Kashif Ahmed
June 27, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Good article Laura.
I saw this shill’s cringe worthy apperence on Sky News during the Toulouse false flag. Afzal is entitled to his views, however inane or inaccurate they are. In fact: parading these bamboozled, pacified, boot licking Uncle Toms in the media only sharpens the public’s ability to distinguish a serious commentator from a bought & paid for stooge.
Israeli minions tend to throw a few Shekels around every now and then in the hope of securing the services of some Shabbat goy. But traitors tend not to win any converts and are always discarded by their employers they second they outlive their usefulness. And not without good reason, after all, who wants a tratior hanging around?
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 1:52 am
You would have thought the Zionists could have found a better stooge than the totally banal Hasan Afzal. Sadly,it seems that the Zionists haven’t learned a lesson from the Sheik Raed Salah fiasco.
fool me once...
June 28, 2012 at 8:59 pm
@Laura
Has it crossed your mind that Mr Afzal may be a Asmahan like character. Footage from Afzal’s early life – the glasses, the beautiful singing the company he kept, surely go to prove he’s taking the zio’s for a ride.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwrel&v=6bvb6tXY3aI
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Early life as in about two months ago according to the date on the video. Siddique means truthfull, even the completely deluded Afzal wouldn’t use the name Siddique without blushing.
fool me once...
June 29, 2012 at 2:36 am
“as in about two months ago”
The banner behind the lad at the beginning and 5.07mins says 2008, and a month date?? Anyway, as you know, I was joking about the youthful looking Hasan Afzal. Good singing on the vid though, improving as he warms up. Do you recognise what he’s singing about? Did you get the Asmahan ref?
http://www.ganges.com/news/view/Arab_TV_fans_gripped_371158/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmahan
Laura Stuart
June 29, 2012 at 1:10 pm
No I really don’t think that Asmahan and Afzal have anything in common. Asmahan was clearly a talented person.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 12:19 am
Hasan quotes from and provides video links to what you call these “leading Islamic scholars of our time” preaching that women should not be allowed to drive, play sports, show their faces, or travel alone; that “Devotion to Jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honour for the believer”; that Muslims should “positively hate” non-Muslims; that an all-out Arab-Israeli war is preferable to a peaceful settlement; that unrepentant apostates from Islam should be killed; that “even one Muslim who worships Allah is better than all the infidels in the world”; that “As for the Europeans’ relations with the Creator, animals are better than they are”, and so on. Do you agree with all this? If not, what on earth are you blathering about?
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 1:47 am
I am sure Hasan in his nincompoopish way will have taken extracts here and there, perhaps on explanations of Quranic verses or hadith but his lack of knowledge about Islam is obvious and his purpose of curtailing free speech for Muslims is typical of any zionist operator in the war on Islam.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 2:39 am
The transcripts and videos in which these “scholars” say the things I have quoted above are readily available, and it is clear that they are indeed advocating these things, as well as claiming scriptural authority for them. (I can even provide the links for you if you like.) So again, the question is: do you agree with them or don’t you? What do you think about the idea that unrepentant Muslim apostates should be killed, for example? What do you think about the idea that women should be forbidden from driving, partaking in sports, travelling unaccompanied by a male, or showing their faces in public? What do you think about the claim that Muslims should “positively hate” non-Muslims? What about the idea that “even one Muslim who worships Allah is better than all the infidels in the world”? Are these claims that you endorse or not? I’d be grateful if you would try to answer these questions honestly and non-evasively.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 3:49 am
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 12:19 am
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 2:39 am
have you stopped beating your wife yet? “I’d be grateful if you would try to answer these questions honestly and non-evasively.”
fool me once...
June 28, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Hi Damian
“(I can even provide the links for you if you like.)”
That’d be good so we can make our own minds up. Get your gripe out on the table and we’ll judge the grudge for ya.
btw is your nick a nod to the Omen? Or, because you sound young, Damian Wayne.
http://www.comicvine.com/damian-wayne/29-42413/
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 10:47 pm
If he knows what’s good for him he’ll take you up on it.
Nobody can construct a biography for him as you could, every statement supported by a video. You should charge a fee though: nowadays people don’t value something they get for free
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 8:09 am
Afzal takes parts of lectures out of context, I am not willing to go through each statement and point out his error.
Here is Hasan Afzal saying that he believes in FREE SPEECH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZuz2yf24EU&feature=player_embedded
Hasan Afzal when he talks about the censorhip and tolerance is lying since everthing he does is to inhibit free speech but since he is bought and paid for by Zionists he only wants to inhibit Muslims Free Speech.
Afzal stood and lied about his belief in the value of Free Speech just like he is lying over these speakers now. He doesn’t even sound convincing, he just sounds like the twit he is.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 10:50 am
I didn’t ask you to go through each statement, I merely asked you whether or not you endorse them. What, for example, do you think about the idea that apostates from Islam should be imprisoned or killed? Do you agree with or not?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 1:17 pm
What is it you want exactly? Are you on an “Islam is evil” mission?
searching
June 28, 2012 at 2:06 pm
butt off ariadna.
do you have to always come between bread and butter???
stop being a spokesperson of such and such. it gets tiring.
searching
June 28, 2012 at 2:07 pm
it’s not your private website.
let people speak.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 2:15 pm
One person may find another tiring–it happens to me too– but in such cases I recommend taking a nap.
searching
June 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm
you are becoming a litte boring and repetitive.
fool me once...
June 28, 2012 at 11:20 pm
@searching
“butt off ariadna.”
Ha ha searching, nice one. I think you mean “butt out”, which could’ve been a nice allusion to AT’s presumable pot praxis (a double insult!)
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/butt-out
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 2:35 am
I think she couldn’t decide between “buzz off” and “but out” and in the end combined them for more punch.
Hey, don’t make fun of us, non-native speakers of English. We try harder. (if you can guess what other saying ends with “try harder” don’t say it in mixed company, just find a way to subtly indicate you know which one I mean.)
fool me once...
June 29, 2012 at 3:54 am
“I think she couldn’t decide between “buzz off” and “but out” and in the end combined them for more punch. Hey, don’t make fun of us, non-native speakers of English.”
Heeey, I wasn’t, searching said it was ok to point out the odd translation mix-up now and again in another thread, and seen as though she was giving you a friendly jab I thought it was ok to help out with her word-punch technique for next time, as “butt off” was merely a funny glancing blow. I like searching, but she does get a bit raucous on the alter wine sometimes. She’s like a budgie with no beak, she’ll learn to succeed.
fool me once...
July 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@Ariadna – “try harder”
So the white leisure suit don’t do it for ya, fair do’s. Think I see what you mean though, I’ll subtle up a bit. Must say, the deLib disco discourse does have an unusual dress code and fashion has never been my strong point. Apologies, no harm done I hope
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I have an idea that Damian might well be a former Muslim hence his interest in my views on the issue if he should be killed for apostasy. I have encountered a few apostates from Islam and some just drift out of Islam and get on with their lives but others seem bent on waging a war on Islam which in reality is a war with Allah. Perhaps Damian would like to share with us his own religious background.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I am not interested in him as a person. I only asked him because his questioning of you and your life choices invited it.
fool me once...
June 29, 2012 at 12:03 am
“I only asked him because his questioning of you and your life choices invited it.”
Maybe I’m not grammared up enough, but I read that as you acknowledging that Laura’s life choices invited Damien to engage in his “Islam is evil” mission?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 12:27 am
No, by life choice I meant his badgering her about why continue to live in the UK.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 9:19 pm
“Perhaps Damian would like to share with us his own religious background.”
Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not have any religious background to tell you about. I have never believed in gods or spooks or souls or angels, and have always belief in them to be quite infantile.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 9:20 pm
I have always *regarded* belief in them as infantile, I meant.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 9:25 pm
get ‘em, tiger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGDnAX6kOVw
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 11:04 am
In Islam we don’t act on our opinions we have Quran and Sunnah and we have scholars who advise us.
In the U.K. we do not live under Shariah law and there is no country at present that does, I have never heard any Islamic scholar advise Muslims to do anything except follow the rule of law in the country they live in, so there is no question of killing apostates and no call to kill apostates and I guarantee that no scholar would come to the U.K. and encourage Muslims to consider or carry out the killing of apostates.
If a scholar came here and told Muslims to kill apostates in the U.K. then Mr Numpty Afzal would have a case.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 2:04 pm
So in other words you think that in an ideal world (i.e. for you, a world in which Sharia law is enforced) there should be no freedom of thought or belief or religious practice; people would not think for themselves but rather believe and obey whatever the religious authorities command them to; and those who renounce Islam, or dare to question and criticise its basic tenets, should be imprisoned or executed, right?
If so, why is it exactly that you live in the UK, rather than migrating to (say) Saudi Arabia, where such laws are indeed enforced (imperfectly you will say, but still, surely to a fairly good approximation)? Why would you prefer to stay amongst the iniquitous infidels whom the Qur’an describes as “the lowliest of creatures in the sight of Allah” and forbids you to befriend rather than in an Islamic country where almost everyone is a Muslim, Sharia is enforced, and people who think for themselves are publicly beheaded?
Do you not feel something of a hypocrite, enjoying the freedoms afforded to you by UK law while professing to believe that, ideally, there should be no such freedoms for people, at least for people who differ in their beliefs from you? (Ideally you would like to see Sharia law practised in the UK, no?)
Since you complain about supposed discrimination against Muslims here, what do you think about the fact that in courts in Pakistan, for example, the testimony of a non-Muslim male witness carries only half of that of a Muslim male, and that of a non-Muslim female carries only a quarter? Now that is *real* discrimination. Do you endorse such laws or condemn them? I suppose you will have to consult your local imam to find out what it is proper to believe about such things, right?
searching
June 28, 2012 at 2:08 pm
excellent points Damian.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 2:25 pm
searching, you seem unable to distinguish between discussing religion in general and probing one’s PERSONAL choices, life and faith.
If someone subjected you to the same requisition about some your fervent beliefs you’d throw a hissy fit and call them SATAN, Luciferian, idiots, ignorants, etc, which you have in fact done quite often.
Is it so hard to remember ‘don’t do unto others”?
searching
June 28, 2012 at 2:33 pm
damian makes very good pointa
and you stop censoring somebodys comments.
unless they offered you a position of a censor on deliberation??
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 2:42 pm
1. You don’t appear to know what the word “censoing” really menas. You seem to think it means contradicting/questioning.
2. “damian makes very good pointa”
Damian makes the points of those “human rights activists” who wish to reform Islam. It is a desire to manipulate Islam to make is kosher for global Jewish power. Islam needs to become… “Calvinist Islam.”
Read up, searching. The “need” to reform Islam is all the rage now, as well analyzed by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya:
“Turkey in its present form is now being presented as the democratic model for the rebelling Arab masses to follow…. Turkey is not being presented as a model for the Arabs due to its democratic qualifications. It is being presented as the political model for the Arabs, because of a project of political and socio-economic “bida” (innovation) involving the manipulation of Islam.
Although very popular, the Turkish Justice and Development Party or JDP (Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi or AKP) was allowed to come into power in 2002, without opposition by the Turkish military and the Turkish courts. Before this there was little tolerance for political Islam in Turkey. The JDP/AKP was founded in 2001 and the timing of their founding and their electoral win in 2002 was also tied to the objective of redrawing Southwest Asia and North Africa. This project to manipulate and redefine Islam seeks to subordinate Islam to dominant World Order capitalist interests through a new wave of “political Islamism”, such as the JDP/AKP. A new strand of Islam is thereby being fashioned through what has come to be called “Calvinist Islam” or a “Muslim version of the Protestant work ethic.”
It is this model that is been nurtured in Turkey and now being presented to Egypt and the Arabs by Washington and Brussels. This “Calvinist Islam” also has no problem with the “reba” or interest system, which is prohibited under Islam. It is this system that is used to enslave individuals and societies with the chains of debt to global capitalism. It is in this context that the European Bank of Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) is calling for so-called “democratic reforms” in the Arab World.
The ruling families of Saudi Arabia and the Arab petro-sheikhdoms are also partners in the enslavement of the Arab world through debt. In this regard Qatar and the Arab sheikhdoms of the Persian Gulf are in the process of creating a Middle East Development Bank that is intended to give loans to Arab countries to support their “transition towards democracy”. The democracy promotion mission of the Middle East Development Bank is ironic because the countries forming it are all staunch dictatorships….
The hope in Washington is that this “Calvinist Islam” will take root with a new generation of Islamists under the banner of new democratic states. These governments will effectively enslave their countries by placing them further into debt and selling national assets. They will help subvert the region extending from North Africa to Southwest and Central Asia as the area is being balkanized and restructured in the image of Israel under ethnocratic systems. Tel Aviv will also wield wide influence amongst these new states. Hand-in-hand with this project, different forms of ethno-linguistic nationalism and religious intolerance are also being promoted to divide the region.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 6:14 pm
“excellent points Damian.”
that’s not very catholic, searching. is that another “oops”?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 2:46 pm
So we know that Laura lives in the UK. What about you, Damian? Care to share where you live and what your religious view are? Just to make sure, you know, that you are not a hypocrite like Laura.
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm
I wonder why you would invest so much time speculating on how I feel, how I believe Islam should be lived out and why I am in the U.K.? Surely what I wrote about above is the issue of zionists trying to censor Free Speech for Muslims?
Hasan Afzal has zero credibility as he knows nothing about Islam and since as the video I posted in the comments above shows him on the podium proclaiming he believes in free speech – can you at least admit that what Afzal says are his beliefs about free speech and what he is in fact doing are contradictory?
Laura Stuart
June 29, 2012 at 7:57 am
Damian I do not feel at all hypocritical living in the U.K since I am British and so are all of my family.
It really is going to become so much harder for you Islamophobes to substantiate your claims about Islam being oppressive of women when so many white middle class women are becoming Muslims.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Ariadna,
Sure: I live in the UK, and am not a votary of any religion, sect or cult. I do not believe in gods, ghosts, souls, angles, fairies or leprechauns, but try my best to form my beliefs rationally, on the basis of the best scientific evidence we have available to us. In terms of my moral beliefs, I consider myself an inheritor of the Enlightenment. Contrary to your baseless insinuations, I do not support Zionism in any shape or form, nor do I think that a “Calvinist Islam” would be desirable, not least because Calvin himself was a dangerous fanatic who believed that people should be executed for blasphemy. If you want to put a label on me, I guess you could call me a philosophical naturalist and secular humanist.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 3:24 pm
“In terms of my moral beliefs, I consider myself an inheritor of the Enlightenment.” Tut, tut, an American at heart; it makes me warm up to you.
So, not an intentional supporter of zionism, a “philosophical naturalist” (i.e., not just a naturalist but one who philosophizes about it too) and secular humanist. All good things, Damian.
In taking on the obscurantism of religions did you feel it more urgent to start with Islam and if so why? Nothing touched that fast-beating Enlightenment heart of yours about, say, fundamentalist judaism?
Are you concerned that sharia is advancing upon the UK at breakneck speed and must be stopped? I don’t know what else you do in your gallant struggle to destroy the opium for the people. For all I know you may be on the barricades about the unreserved and unquestioned support the UK gives to Israel where the religious fleurs de mal are in full bloom.
I can only judge form this site where I didn’t see your comments on, say, The Church of Nativity story or on the one on Chosenness and Kosher. Your secular humanism, Damian, seems to have had a stunted development. Work on it.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 3:01 pm
i see “twice blessed” has returned with a new “personality”.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 6:16 pm
to try out another hasbara angle, of course.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Shucks!
I wish I had had this insight before you said it “out loud.”
I could have elicited his views about the persecution of gays by Islam.
I suppose it’s too late now….
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 8:50 pm
“I suppose it’s too late now….”
it’s never too late.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 8:54 pm
He may not want to “open up” to us now…
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 9:02 pm
we could tell gay microbiologist jokes? that might inspire him?
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Apologies: I do actually believe in “angles”, but mistyped; I meant to say I don’t believe in *angels* (nor in “jinn”, for that matter).
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Ah, I wish you hadn’t said that… so you don’t believe in angels but you do believe in playing the angles… that’s what I thought
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Please don’t be a party pooper and leave. We can have so much more fun.
Tell us more about that secular humanism of yours. I find it fascinating.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Thanks are due to the War and Politics from a Left Christian Perspective site, through which I was introduced to the “Calvinist Islam”–a move that repeats (mutatis mutandi) the same, already successful, zionizing of the Christian churches
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm
According to Harrys place the event has been cancelled at the Connaught Rooms and Afzal is claiming a victory for himself and Harrys Place.
Damian
June 28, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Laura wrote: “can you at least admit that what Afzal says are his beliefs about free speech and what he is in fact doing are contradictory?”
This will surely come as a surprise to you (it is not, after all, covered in the Qur’an or in any hadith), but no rational person has ever called for a right to *absolute* freedom of expression; that is, a right to say whatever one likes whenever one likes. Freedom of speech does not include, for example, the right to shout “FIRE! FIRE!” in a crowded theatre; to shout, swear and threaten people as one walks down the street; and it most certainly does not include a right for people who present themselves as religious and moral authorities to stand up in front of hundreds of impressionable, brainwashed people like yourself and exhort them “to shed blood, to smash skulls and to sever limbs” for the sake of defending their religion.
So no, I am not under any obligation to “admit” that Hasan is contradicting himself since, as a matter of fact, he is not doing so.
This is not about denying freedom of speech to Muslims. Rather, it is about preventing dangerous and irrational extremists from inciting hatred and violence against “infidels”, Shia Muslims, Jews, Christians, apostates from Islam, homosexuals and others. Having learnt today that there are people like you, Laura; people who are not only willing to self-consciously relinquish their own critical faculties and moral conscience in favour of complete surrender to the dictates of fanatical extremists (those you call “scholars”), but who are seemingly even proud of that fact; well, this only makes me more determined than ever to ensure that such demagogues as those who were to speak at this event *never* get to preach their despicable sermons of hatred in this country.
We forced your euphemistically named “Ramadan: Month of Mercy” event to be cancelled, and we will continue to campaign to ensure that any and all events to which such loathsome, hate-filled demagogues as these have been invited to speak are likewise shut down.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 9:16 pm
“We forced your euphemistically named “Ramadan: Month of Mercy”
i didn’t know “the gays” did that?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Don’t be impatient, you’ll scare him off. He will get around to telling us about “homosexuals and others” as he hinted only briefly to increase suspense.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Damian, you are an education to me. I have occasionally thought of becoming a secular humanist but it seemed too daunting: SO many religions to take on. You showed me a short cut: I could be a kosher secular humanist.
Tell me:
1. Do you consider “chosenness”
a. a religious belief or
b. objectively based on the number of Nobel Prize laureats and demonstrably superior financial acumen?
2. If exhortations by “religious and moral authorities” to hatred and violence against other religions are dangerous, as you say, when made to “impressionable, brainwashed people” would the latter category exclude jews because of 1a or 1b?
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Damian & searching
the secret is out:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22omj_i-will-survive_fun
would you both care to comment on this new development?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 10:00 pm
1. I happen to like that song a lot –the international gay anthem–although I am not gay.
2.The video is not meant to be funny, it is meant to be offensive. It succeeds.
I find it deeply offensive and I am sure the last few sequences (the bus) are very satisfying to those (perhaps the same) who made the Jesus is a bastard video and to the likes of Sarah Silverman.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 10:18 pm
“I am sure the last few sequences (the bus) are very satisfying to those (perhaps the same) who made the Jesus is a bastard video and to the likes of Sarah Silverman.”
apparently you don’t know many “lapsed catholics”.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Actually I do. I have friends (Irish Americans) who are “lapsed Catholics.” They are atheists without “codicils” –the kind of codicil that says: “I don’t believe in God but what if…? I reserve a measure of doubt, just in case.” As if, if it turns out that God does exist, He will value the diversified spiritual portfolio of someone who maintains a few shares in an iffy stock.
My friends are quite vehemently anti-clerical and can be biting and very funny on the subject. Can’t take the space here to give you some examples. But they distinguish between humor/satire and hatred. They don’t let themselves be manipulated.
In my opinion people who consider themselves “lapsed” but hate Jesus are not really “free thinkers”: they have unresolved faith issues.
That’s my 2-cents psychology.
If you think rationally –as a secularist is supposed to–and are preoccupied with ethics and morality it is impossible to hate Jesus.
You don’t have to be religious to realize that ethically that ex-jew has not been bested yet.
Hatred is not funny. Is this bandwagon you jump on really the one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSrhJGGDqx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBBjUEdphxc
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 10:53 pm
the video is not a hate jesus video, it is satire just intended to be very outrageous.
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 11:03 pm
btw, i used to know a catholic director who directed a passion play satire where they had joseph as an impotent alcoholic and that was the reason for the imaculate conception. he was a lapsed catholic, but he still occasionally went to church. the i will survive short is in that same spirit.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 12:31 am
It is a hate Jesus video, in my opinion.
The last scene being run over and killed by a bus is Sarah Silverman and the mocking superimposed song “I will survive”–vs not surviving after being hit by a bus is pure Sarah Silverman.
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 12:53 am
“It is a hate Jesus video, in my opinion.”
it isn’t anything like the videos you posted, at, there is nothing hateful about jesus in the video or in him getting run over by a bus at the end. what they are satirising is homophobic christian dogmatics. the bus is there for comedic effect, like the car that ran over colonel sanders (of kentucky fried chicken fame).
colonel sanders got run over?
you didn’t know?
no!
well, it happened like this:
“why did the chicken cross the road?”
“to get to the other side?”
“no, colonel sanders was chasing it.”
“how did colonel sanders die?”
“no idea?”
“he got hit by a car”.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 1:00 am
I didn’t realize that jews hated chicken-eaters, go figure…
I had always assumed they love chicken soup with creplah… but if I was wrong about the soup then you’re right about that video being just funny
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 1:02 am
And by the way I think it is unprofitable for us to continue on this issue simply because it is clear that I find it offensive and part of something more and you don’t, and we’re both entitled to our unchangeable opinions on it.
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 1:05 am
“and we’re both entitled to our unchangeable opinions on it.”
that’s neither a proper christian or jewish attitude. are you sure you want to go that far?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 2:25 am
“that’s neither a proper christian or jewish attitude.”
and you, though lapsed, are still in tune with what’s proper, and though a goy also with what’s kosher? tell me then, what’s wrong with agreeing to disagree in both religions?
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 3:00 am
Ariadna Theokopoulos
“and you, though lapsed”
not lapsed, ausländer (satanist – according to searching)
“are still in tune with what’s proper”
of course.
“and though a goy”
beams
“also with what’s kosher”
well, no, not unless it says so on the package.
“tell me then, what’s wrong with agreeing to disagree in both religions?”
proper christians and jews do not allow a difference of opinion. both religions strickly forbid any dissent. either one agrees or they are killed, tortured, jailed, haranged endlessly, shunned or bannished to the badlands to die in shame from scorpion stings.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 3:43 am
“proper christians and jews do not allow a difference of opinion…….either one agrees or they are killed, tortured, jailed, haranged endlessly, shunned or bannished…”
Come on, who_me, you are so fixated on your shtick that you talk like someone who has not met PEOPLE in along time. They are not the cardboard caricatures you call “proper” christian or jew.
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 5:37 am
Ariadna Theokopoulos
“Come on, who_me, you are so fixated on your shtick that you talk like someone who has not met PEOPLE in along time. They are not the cardboard caricatures you call “proper” christian or jew.”
for someone who uses a lot of sarcasm and satire…
fool me once...
June 29, 2012 at 1:48 am
hey dudes, it ain’t Jesus, it’s the Argentinean Miguel Mas in a loin cloth and false beard. He does have new york and Spielberg connections. Mas is currently studying at the Lee Strasberg Theater, and Film Institute in Los Angeles and has co produced with
David Lee Strasberg, son of Israel Lee Strassberg.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0833448/bio
fool me once...
June 29, 2012 at 1:04 am
“the kind of codicil that says: “I don’t believe in God but what if…? I reserve a measure of doubt, just in case.”
Paul must be one of them there codicils, as he says that about the jew god, verbatim.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 28, 2012 at 10:49 pm
PS I don’ think Damian has ever answered your question about beating his wife, or is it rendered moot by being twice blessed?
who_me
June 28, 2012 at 10:55 pm
“PS I don’ think Damian has ever answered your question about beating his wife, or is it rendered moot by being twice blessed?”
i guess what i intended with that post didn’t come across very well. i was paraphrasing what damien omen 3 was badgering laura with.
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 11:49 pm
So what is the proposed wording to be of the gay marriage? “I now pronounce you husband and husband” – you may now kiss the groom ………. or does gay marriage have a p.c. terminology all of it’s own?
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 12:10 am
Laura Stuart
“So what is the proposed wording to be of the gay marriage? “I now pronounce you husband and husband” – you may now kiss the groom ………. or does gay marriage have a p.c. terminology all of it’s own?”
no idea about the gay marraige question. nor care.
when i quoted damian, i wasn’t asking any questions, what i was doing was pointing out damian’s using “have you stopped beating your wife, yet?” type trolling harrassment. that was the point of my post quoting his question. i wasn’t very clear, and i’m not sure people understood that now.
fool me once...
June 29, 2012 at 12:51 am
“you may now kiss the ring.”
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 12:57 am
You’re the baddest of the bad
Ariadna Theokopoulos
June 29, 2012 at 12:33 am
Your post was very clear, using the same questioning technique on him that he used on Laura.
It was I who chose to take it literally in order to link it with your previous “twice blessed” joke.
Laura Stuart
June 28, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Are lapsed Catholics excommunicated? I knew some who said that if they didn’t tithe (10%) they were kicked out. That wasn’t in the U.K. though.
Did any one else notice that once I posted that the conference was cancelled that Damian started to refer to “we” as in we will continue our campaign against Islam? Stand for peace is only one person so does the “we” mean that deliberation is blessed with a poster from Harrys Place?
So gratifying to know that they care enough to follow us.
Interesting developements recently show us that the EDL are now responding to Afzal and Harrys place calls to action against Islamic events. The thread that draws them together is hatred of Islam, both engage in thuggery.
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 12:05 am
Laura Stuart
“Are lapsed Catholics excommunicated? I knew some who said that if they didn’t tithe (10%) they were kicked out. That wasn’t in the U.K. though.”
they can be excommunicated, if they tick off the church leaders enough. the theater director i referenced above was not, at least he wasn’t 20 years ago when i knew him. he was considered a respected leader in his local community and had a post as a department head of a major college.
the 10% tithe thing i don’t think is catholic, but mormon. catholics passed a begging plate around during services like most christian churches. i may be wrong, though.
i noticed damian using “we” also.
Laura Stuart
June 29, 2012 at 12:20 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe
So I wonder who this “we” that Damian refers to are?
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 6:23 am
btw damian and searching:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-city-bans-gay-pride-parade-will-hold-modest-parking-lot-event-instead.premium-1.444624
“Israeli city bans gay pride parade, will hold ‘modest’ parking lot event instead
Ra’anana parade cancelled due to pressure from resident groups vehemently opposed to holding a parade in the city.
Ra’anana Mayor Nahum Hofree and the organizers of the city’s planned gay pride parade reached a compromise under which the event scheduled for Friday will not be canceled, instead it will be a stationary event in a department store parking lot.
The full text is available for Haaretz subscribers.”
(given the source of stuxnet and flame, subscribing to hasbara, inc. is probably not a wise idea)
got to love that jewish israeli sense of mixing politics and business, dept. store parking lot. bet they decided to have “a sale” at the same time.
who_me
June 29, 2012 at 6:26 am
bet they decided to have “a sale” at the same time.
bet they decided to advertise “a sale”, and jacked their prices, at the same time.
deLiberation
June 29, 2012 at 10:49 am
FYI – This article has been updated with new material.
Laura Stuart
June 29, 2012 at 11:32 am
It seems a very lame response from the local police – why are they not ready to police the threatened protest?
If it was Muslims threatening to protest at the Israeli embassy the police would be out in force.
So is free speech dead in the U.K. ?
Are the Zionists the new police?
shafic
July 9, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Fantastic. This peace event went ahead. The evil fascists such as Afzal, EDL and this thug called Damian failed in their plots and are all feeling humiliated this morning.
fool me once...
July 9, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Damian;
“…we will continue to campaign…”
Laura;
“So I wonder who this “we” that Damian refers to are?”
shafic;
“The evil fascists such as Afzal, EDL and this thug called Damian failed in their plots and are all feeling humiliated this morning.”
Shariffic news, well done