Gatekeeper Bingo!
by deLiberation
Sunday, January 6th, 2013
Play Gatekeeper Bingo as you check the list of signatories to yet another ethnically exclusive list!
The following statement, dated 1 January 2013, is issued by Jews for the Palestinian Right of Return. The initial signers are listed below along with a link for those who wish to sign on.
“For Palestinians, the right to return home and the right to live in dignity and equality in their own land are not any less important than the right to live free of military occupation.”
-Prof. Saree Makdisi
For more than a century, Zionists have sought to construct a “Jewish state” through forced removal of the indigenous Palestinian people.
In 1948, this state was established through the Nakba (Catastrophe): erasure and occupation of more than 500 Palestinian towns and villages, dispossession of over 750,000 Palestinians, and a terror campaign of which the massacre at Deir Yassin is but the most infamous example. Since 1967, Israel has also occupied and colonized the remainder of historic Palestine. Today, this relentless ethnic cleansing continues — armed and financed by the US and its allies — on both sides of the 1948 “Green Line.”
As a cumulative result, seventy percent of Palestinians are in exile, the world’s largest refugee population.
Nowhere is this clearer than in Gaza, where Israel inflicts particularly brutal collective punishment on 1.7 million people — most of them refugees — for defiantly resisting expulsion from their homes throughout historic Palestine.
“Pick a point, any point, along [Gaza’s] 25-mile coastline,” writes Gaza City resident Lara Aburamadan, “and you’re seven or so miles — never more — from the other side. The other side is where my grandparents were born, in a village that has since become someone else’s country, off limits to me. You call it Israel. I call it the place where the bombs come from.”
To hide these crimes and shield itself from their consequences, the Zionist regime officially denies the Nakba, the ethical equivalent of Holocaust denial. It has even authorized legislation to penalize those who memorialize the Nakba — a step toward criminalizing its observance altogether.
As it is for all colonized peoples, liberation means reversing dispossession. “The Palestinian cause,” writes Dr. Haidar Eid in Gaza, “is the right of return for all refugees and nothing less.”
Return — one of the key demands of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) campaign — is affirmed in U.N. resolution 194, but derives from the principle of universal human rights and, as such, cannot be renounced or abandoned by any body or representative; it inalienably attaches to Palestinians, both individually and collectively.
Despite this, even some who criticize Israel’s 1967 occupation claim that Palestinian return is “unrealistic.”
However, solidarity means unconditional support for the just aims of those resisting oppression. As Palestinian journalist-activist Maath Musleh explains: “If you think that [return] is not possible, then you are really not in solidarity with the Palestinian cause.”
Some also object that refugees’ return would mean an end to the “Jewish state.” But supporters of social justice must ask themselves how they can defend a state whose very existence depends on structural denial of Palestinian rights.
Recently, more than a hundred leading Palestinian activists reaffirmed their opposition “to all forms of racism and bigotry, including, but not limited to, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, Zionism, and other forms of bigotry directed at anyone, and in particular people of color and indigenous peoples everywhere.”
Such racism and bigotry is reflected precisely in Zionism’s attempt to erase the Palestinian people, a century long campaign that dishonors the memory of Jewish suffering and resistance in Europe.
The moral response is clear: “There is one geopolitical entity in historic Palestine,” writes Palestinian journalist Ali Abunimah. “Israel must not be allowed to continue to entrench its apartheid, racist and colonial rule throughout that land.”*
As Jews of conscience, we call on all supporters of social justice to stand up for Palestinian Right of Return and a democratic state throughout historic Palestine — “From the River to the Sea” — with equal rights for all.
The full measure of justice, upon which the hopes of all humanity depends, requires no less.
Initial signers
List in formation; affiliations listed for identification only
- Max Ajl, Writer and activist; Cornell Students for Justice in Palestine
- Gabriel Ash, International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network Switzerland
- Max Blumenthal, Journalist and author
- Prof. Haim Bresheeth, Filmmaker, photographer and film studies scholar
- Lenni Brenner, Author and anti-war activist
- Mike Cushman, Convenor, Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods (UK)
- Sonia Fayman, French Jewish Union for Peace; International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network France
- Sherna Berger Gluck, Founding member US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel; Israel Divestment Campaign
- Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Coordinator, Fellowship of Reconciliation Peacewalks, Mural Arts in Palestine and Shomer Shalom Network for Jewish Nonviolence
- Hector Grad, International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network (Spain)
- Abraham Greenhouse, Blogger, Electronic Intifada
- Tony Greenstein, Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods (UK)
- Jeff Halper, Director, Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD)
- Stanley Heller, Host of “The Struggle” TV News
- Tikva Honig-Parnass, Former member of the Zionist armed forces (1948); author of False Prophets of Peace: Liberal Zionism and the Struggle for Palestine
- Adam Horowitz, Co-Editor, Mondoweiss.net
- Selma James, Global Women’s Strike; International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network UK
- David Klein, Organizing Committee, US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel
- Dennis Kortheuer, Organizing Committee, US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel; Israel Divestment Campaign; Dump Veolia LA
- David Letwin, Activist and writer; Gaza Freedom March
- Michael Letwin, Co-Founder, Labor for Palestine; Organizing Committee, US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel; Al-Awda NY: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition
- Antony Loewenstein, Australian journalist and author
- Barbara Lubin, Executive Director, Middle East Children’s Alliance
- Mike Marqusee, Author If I Am Not for Myself: Journey of an Anti-Zionist Jew
- Hajo Meyer, Auschwitz survivor; International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
- Linda Milazzo, Participatory journalist and educator
- Prof. Ilan Pappé, Israeli historian and socialist activist
- Miko Peled, Author of The General’s Son
- Karen Pomer, Granddaughter of Henri B. van Leeuwen, Dutch anti-Zionist leader and Bergen-Belsen survivor
- Diana Ralph, Assistant Coordinator, Independent Jewish Voices-Canada
- Dorothy Reik, Progressive Democrats of the Santa Monica Mountains
- Prof. Dr. Fanny-Michaela Reisin, President, International League for Human Rights (German Section FIDH); Founding member of Jewish Voice for a Just Peace – EJJP Germany
- Rachel Roberts, Civil rights attorney and writer
- Ilana Rossoff, International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
- Carol K. Smith, Activist and civil rights attorney
- Lia Tarachansky, Director, Seven Deadly Myths
- Hadas Thier, Contributing author of The Struggle for Palestine; Israeli-born daughter and grand-daughter of Nazi Holocaust survivors
- Dr. Abraham Weizfeld, Montréal; Jewish People’s Liberation Organization
- Sherry Wolf, Author and public speaker; International Socialist Organization; Adalah-NY
- Marcy Winograd, Former Congressional Peace Candidate; public school teacher
- Dr. Roger van Zwanenberg, Non-Executive Director, Pluto Books Ltd.
To support the Jews for Palestinian Right of Return statement below, please:
- Go here to sign as an individual or organization.
- Or e-mail jfpror at gmail.
Notes
See also: “The Way Forward for Palestine Solidarity, 23 June 2010.
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Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 10:16 am
Less than a year ago deliberation published a Renouncing the Right of Return form inviting Jews to sign, symbolically severing themselves from the “representation” by the state of Israel as putative Israeli citizens.
It was an interesting test of sorts with surprising results. Readers may look up the post and read the comments to it to see who signed and what rationales were offered by those refused to sign, which ranged from (not verbatim):
–“I am not interested in yet another ‘Jews only’ initiative”
[It had to be ‘Jews only’ though: Israel only extends the “right of return” to Jews all over the world.]
–“Palestinians should be insulted: it is not something we have to give them.”
[It was not meant as a gesture from Jews to Palestinians but from Jews to the state of Israel]
–“I have already implicitly renounced my right of return. I am no longer an Israeli. This is a silly symbolic act, very Jewish in fact: Jews like symbols”)
The statement in this post, however, is not in the same category at all.
This is indeed another “Jews only” initiative that sets out to accomplish strictly Jewish goals:
–make the ‘pro-Palestinian’ Jews who give directives to the likes of Abounimah look good (“Jews of conscience”), the vanguard, no less of the pro-Palestinian struggle
–push the idea that ‘anti-semitism’ is an important concern of the Palestinians and their supporters
–equate “anti-semitism’ with “islamophobia” –supposedly similar examples of ‘racism’ and ‘bigotry’—a cryptozionist agenda item (see Jay Not’s post on Islamophobia) which studiously ignores that
• both are the products of the same Jewish power JP) propaganda, one to use as a gag against criticism of JP, the other to obscure the primordial role of JP in the global war waged by USrael against people who happen to be Muslims.
• while incidents of ‘anti-semitism’ are typically vandalism acts perpetrated by individuals, islamophobia is a state-sponsored albeit semi-covert campaign in the western world (airport profiling, persecution of Islamic charities) and a Jewish-owned entertainment industry bombardment of slander.
“Nothing to see here, folks, ‘islamophobia,” an exaggeration like “anti-semitism,” I am objective and fair and a jew to boot so you can take it from me….”
The fact that Abounimah is once again the shabbat goy of a “Jews only” noise is not surprising.
Jay Knott
January 8, 2013 at 5:10 pm
My article does “studiously ignore” the idea that Islamophobia and anti-semitism are both products of Jewish power – because that is not what the article is about: http://tinyurl.com/9wwjp7n
I can now add “cryptozionist” to my list of terms used by p.c. censors: Islamophobe, anti-semite, racist, cryptozionist
Jay Knott
January 13, 2013 at 5:11 am
I’d like to take this opportunity to expand on my comment of Jan 8, a response to Winnie’s remark dishonestly attempting to amalgamate my views on Islamophobia with those of “Jews for the Palestinian Right of Return”. Winnie criticizes those who
“equate “anti-semitism’ with ‘islamophobia’ –supposedly similar examples of ‘racism’ and ‘bigotry’”.
She has a point. There is a South African song ‘Kill the Boer’. It advocates murder against innocent civilians who happen to belong to a particular ethnic group. But this particular ethnic hatred – of whites by blacks – is a product of the oppression of black South Africans by white ones. It’s wrong, but it’s not equivalent.
The ‘gatekeepers’ denounced in the article above equate the hate of the oppressor with the hate of the oppressed.
I’ve argued this for years – “Anti-semitism, if it exists at all, should not be seen as a problem.”
But my article on “Islamophobia” isn’t about this issue at all – http://tinyurl.com/9wwjp7n
It’s about how useful politically-correct terms are for undermining honest discussion, and how harmful they are to finding out the truth.
Blake
January 6, 2013 at 11:06 am
It is their inalienable right enshrined in international law and is not negotiable but good on them for acting.
Roy Bard
January 6, 2013 at 11:44 am
“but good on them for acting.”
I see the same few people who have signed one ethnically exclusive statement after the other for years. So far these statements have not led to not a single improvement for Palestinians.
I also see that the list is littered with those who act as the thought police of the movement, and who keep insisting that combating anti-Semitism is as least as important as standing up for Palestinian rights, therefore diverting energy and enthusiasm away from the task of fighting for justice for Palestinians. They are also the same names that fight to kick out people who are passionate about justice for Palestinians.
The behaviour is described in this article from 2006, which name-checks several of the signatories of this latest text.
For several of the signatories, the only acting they are doing is acting as self-appointed and self-important leaders of the solidarity movement, or acting as if their concern is the Palestinians, when in reality their driving motivation is the welfare of their own tribe.
I think Ariadna’s points are spot on
I count 40 initial signatories – presumably they networked like crazee to get that many. As a faction of world Jewry they form an insignificant force…..
Blake
January 6, 2013 at 12:26 pm
I agree but try to be positive. PMA.
Jay Knott
January 7, 2013 at 5:27 pm
I can’t help making the comparison with South Africa once again. The above Jews 4 Whatever document says ““If you think that [return] is not possible, then you are really not in solidarity with the Palestinian cause… supporters of social justice must ask themselves how they can defend a state whose very existence depends on structural denial of Palestinian rights.”
Imagine if you’d said “if you think equal rights for black South Africans are not possible, you are really not in solidarity… supporters of social justice must ask themselves how they can defend apartheid”. It would sound ridiculous. Yet, somehow, it doesn’t sound as ridiculous when Jews do it. We possess a deep inbuilt form of racial discrimination: philo-Semitism.
Roy Bard
January 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Indeed. Not a single country recognised the so-called independent Bantustans of South Africa, and yet we had most countries in the world lining up to recognise Palestinian Bantustans, and that was regarded as a good thing…..
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 12:40 pm
“Such racism and bigotry is reflected precisely in Zionism’s attempt to erase the Palestinian people, a century long campaign that dishonors the memory of Jewish suffering and resistance in Europe.”
Offensive statement. It’s all about Jews. Always.
Erasing the Palestinian people is bad because it stains the image of what is eternally good about Jews: their suffering (like no other) and their magnificent contribution to the European struggle against… whatever was not good for Jews.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 12:49 pm
If only the Palestinians fought a little harder against anti-semitism…
International Middle East Media Center
Prison Doctors To Amputate Leg Of Wounded Detainee
IMEMC – Lawyer of the Palestinian Ministry of Detainees, Fadi Obeidat, stated that Israeli physicians at the Ramla Prison Clinic decided to amputate the left leg of detainee Nahedh Al-Aqra’, 41, from the Gaza Strip. The detainee lost his right leg after being shot by the army. …
Undercover Forces Kidnap Children, Youths, In Silwan
IMEMC – The Wadi Hilweh Information Center in Silwan, in occupied East Jerusalem, reported that undercover forces of the Israeli army kidnapped, on Saturday evening, several Palestinian youths and children in the town, and added that Israeli soldiers were extensively deployed in the town and in different areas in the occupied city. …
Child Killed, Another Injured, When Explosive Detonated Near Them
IMEMC – Palestinian medical sources in the Gaza Strip reported that one child was killed and another child was injured when an explosive object detonated near them in Khan Younis, in the southern part of the coastal region. …
Ma’an News
Official: Israeli soldiers shoot, injure man in north Gaza
1/5/2013 – GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — Israeli soldiers shot and injured a man in the northern Gaza Strip on Saturday, a health ministry spokesman said. Ashraf al-Qidra told Ma’an said that Abdullah al-Zaneen, 32, was shot by Israeli forces east of Beit Hanoun. Al-Zaneen was employed by the Gaza government to work in a….
Israel renews detention of prisoner on day of release
1/5/2013 – RAMALLAH (Ma’an) — Israeli authorities renewed the administrative detention of a Palestinian prisoner on the day he was due to be released, a prisoners group said Saturday. Rawan Muhammad Ammar told Ahrar prisoners group that her father was due to be released on Jan. 3. The family had decorated the home and prepared sweets….
Medics: 7-year-old killed as ordnance explodes in Gaza
1/5/2013 – GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — A seven-year-old child was killed on Saturday when a suspected ordnance exploded in south Gaza, medics said. Mousa Mushir Kawari was killed and another unidentified child sustained moderate wounds in the accident, which happened in Khan Younis. Both victims were taken to Nasser hospital in the southern city. [END]
fool me once...
January 6, 2013 at 12:59 pm
This comment (now removed) was posted on Greenstein’s blog on the 31.12.12;
Anonymous said…
“What do you know. Free Gaza Movement co founder Mary Hughes Thompson turns up on crazed antisemite Adriana Theokopoulos blog
http://www.boldfacenews.com/support-the-state-for-jews/
Theokopoulos is also a regular feature writer on Gilad Atzmons deLiberation blog.
So another rabid antisemite is exposed to join the growing list of infamous poseurs who hide their underlying antisemitic motives behind the Palestinian cause.
Looks like you are in for a busy year Greenstein. That is defending these wretched individuals. Except of course we all know you won’t. Defending antisemites is your business if it’s in the interests delegitimising Israel.
Your hypocrisy is endless.”
cached;
http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/jewish-chronicle-web-site-is-dangerous.html
Roy Bard
January 6, 2013 at 1:37 pm
fmo: “This comment (now removed)”
If it was removed, it is now reinstated.
1) There is no evidence that that post is by Mary Hughes Thompson, as it isn’t a registered nick, and it is possible to post to that blog with an invented email. The comment itself contains no anti-Semitism – though it is clearly anti-Zionist.
2) The term “crazed antisemite Adriana Theokopoulos” is meaningless
3) There is no such thing as “Gilad Atzmons deLiberation blog”
David Holden
January 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm
the post beneath that, written by one Tabarish Lukashenko, whom i believe is the governor of a post-Soviet banana tyranny in the Caucasus, sets out the incompletely watertight “logic” followed by such as Tony Greenkopf or Naomi Waterdown-Madrassi. it is a three-pronged fork, although the two outer prongs are somewhat flaccid:
antisemitism provoked the development of zionism.
a founder of zionism said antisemitism would be one of its most effective weapons
therefore apposing anti-semitism should be the chief struggle of anti-zionists.
i think Gilad’s term AZZ has been useful, but lacks clarity. whilst this term is still a useful abbreviation for non-scholarly use, i would recommend the following term for those wishing to pursue a more thorough analysis:
it has a convenient and euphonious pronunciation sufficiently well-captured by the nonsense phrase arse-jazz to should ensure easy memorability for those in the attention-span-impaired Community (ASPIC).
i am sure the perceptive and knowledgeable readers of deLib can easily fill in the derivation, but for the benefit of casual visitors i will state it in full:
anti-anti-semitic Jewish anti-zionistas (Marxist Leninist).
whereas thinkers like Greenburg would not accept the appellation ‘zionist’, i feel they can happily agree to every constituent of the more precise term AAS-JAZ.
* the terminal suffix -ML is not usually pronounced except on special occasions, e.g. receiving the official visit of a foreign dignitary at arse-jazz HQ.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Let me try to explain anti-semitism to you, David. I know better because I am an anti-semite (not homologated yet on any list that counts but submitted as a candidate on a minor greenish blog).
1. Anti-semitism is unique. Unlike all other ethnic/religious hatreds, which are directed at those perceived to be inferior and abominable, anti-semitism is born out of PEEVED admiration and ENVY. In their hearts the subhumans know the Jews “are just better.”
That is also the secret that explains why no amount of education will ever eradicate it completely and definitively and why the ADL is the most secure employment: anti-semitism will always rear its ugly Goyisch head because the Jews were divinely decreed to be superior and the subhumans who dimly perceive it will react with hate instead of humble submission.
2. Anti-semitism is the original sin. From it flows the eternal Jewish suffering and also the entirely understandable occasional excesses in the reaction of Jews to it. (“Look what you made me do!”) The more you disapprove of some Israeli actions from time to time the harder you must fight anti-semitism. Anything else distracts from the noble struggle for Palestinian justice.
David Holden
January 6, 2013 at 8:39 pm
i’ve checked it with my quantum neural net. it’s not antisemitic to say: everyone else would be a lot better off if the “Jews” simply ceased to exist. that is an empirical prediction, in the Popperian sense. i am absolutely sick to the back teeth (Yorkshire expression) of all mention of this execrable tribe. give me my life back. let me get on with my creative destiny. away with them. everywhere. they have gone too far now, they infect everything with their unhealthy self-obsession and perverted talmudic beliefs. and they know damn well they have. all sympathy is exhausted. they must be gone. that is the view of the cosmic laws which rule human destiny.
Blake
January 6, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Lol. Very true and GSOH.
pgg804
January 7, 2013 at 4:12 am
You know Ariadna, if you’re interested I believe the Anti-Defamation League might have a job position for you. You are an excellent writer and with writing like the comment above, I believe they might offer you an excellent salary for a weekly column. It doesn’t matter if you actually believe what you write (Lord knows they don’t believe most of what they say or write), the main objective of the article must be to advance the Jewish cause, regardless of its accuracy.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 7, 2013 at 9:47 am
Thank the gods, I am guilty of no such hubris. I am well aware of the awesome competition: the ground is lousy with all manner of hasbara writers and most of them do it for free!
Furthermore, I am not aware of the ADL ever employing — as paid staff–any Goyim, let alone shiksa. Can’t trust’em.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 2:57 pm
It sounds like a comment posted by greenie himself. Other commenters noted in the past that some of the “anonymous” comments on his blog share two characteristics:
(1) they accuse him of coddling anti-semites; it is a way of burnishing his ‘anti-Israel” credentials by showing how much he upsets ‘zionists’ (similar to Jay Not’s forever pressing his list of articles with the same idea); since he doesn’t get many of those comments, the poor guy is reduced to making them up himself.
(2) they have his style of writing.
Roy is right. I re-read the comment and there is no trace of “anti-semitism” in the comment posted under the name MHT.
As for me, it is clear that I have no appeal, except maybe the insanity defense: I am called a “crazed” anti-semite after all. It should be a mitigating factor, like being on drugs.
fool me once...
January 6, 2013 at 6:03 pm
@Roy
.
“If it was removed”
Roy, you was correct to doubt my call that it was “removed”. I made a mistake and somehow, when revisiting greenie’s blog, must have read the “No comments” on a different article on the same page. btw Your 3 points are spot on.
@AT
“It sounds like a comment posted by greenie
himself…they have his style of writing.”
I had a quick skeg over deLib’s past comments and found something. Back in January 2012, Francis Clark-Lowes;
http://www.deliberation.info/alls-fair-in-love-and-the-class-war/
put up a link to greenies blog;
http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/psc-agm-crushing-defeat-for-gilad.html
where;
Anonymous said…
“So Tony
The 20% who voted against are libertarians who won’t dance to the Zionist tune .
Then again most sane people would simply identify them as supporters of an antisemitic Holocaust denier who refuse to pull the plug on him . Instead of excusing it why don’t you get a grip on reality man .”
Now, if you compare that Anonymous comment with a sample of the ORIGINAL Anonymous quote in my post above (I had corrected it);
“Looks like you are in for a busy year Greenstein . That is defending these wretched individuals . Except of course we all know you won’t . Defending antisemites is your business if it’ s in the interests delegitimising Israel . ”
Do you notice the unusual extra spacing between the
last letter of the sentences and the full stops (periods)?
I’d say the “Anonymous” commenter was the same person in each case. If it is TG talking to himself, then he’s been doing it for a while
Blake
January 6, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Cool. Did not know Ariadna had a blog. She never advertises it. They seem to be out of touch though. deliberation is not Gilad Atzmon’s blog.
fool me once...
January 6, 2013 at 6:25 pm
@Blake
.
Yeah, when a writer’s name is in blue, like Alex, AT or EF’s for example, and you click it, you get taken to their site. Haven’t yet worked out why blt’s name is in blue though, as it only takes you to a piano tuning site
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 6:59 pm
nothing is and nothing can ever be hidden from fmo
if it was written, even if it was later erased, he will find it
fmo is the pitiless memory of deLib, equal to all, partial to none
David Holden
January 6, 2013 at 8:19 pm
our senior archivist is indeed a treasure. this is a crucial time-binding function. deLib is still in its infancy, perhaps a little starved of nutrition, but if we stick to our “guns” we’ll get an outfit together
fool me once...
January 7, 2013 at 1:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vprhpeLI5Y
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 7, 2013 at 1:14 pm
The kid should address the spineless UN
Blake
January 6, 2013 at 7:03 pm
@fmo: Thanks.
Am I bad for having warmed slightly to Tony Greenstein after reading a lot of the comments on that link to his blog? Pls tell me if I am. I do wish the pro-Palestinian movement would be a more cohesive one though. They attend to be very opinionated imho.
fool me once...
January 6, 2013 at 10:27 pm
@Blake
“Am I bad for having warmed slightly to Tony Greenstein after reading a lot of the comments on that link to his blog? Pls tell me if I am.”
Haha, don’t be too harsh on yersen Blake, you’re not the first. Because of my ignorance 3 years ago concerning AZZ and the depths jews are prepared to stoop in their tribal pursuits, I defended and praised him unaware of the damage un/intentionally he was doing to the Palestinian Struggle.
I’m tim AND robert red in the comments on this piece called “Debating Anti-Semitism on the BBC”;
http://www.jewdas.org/2009/11/anti-semitism-in-the-service-of-war-crimes/
PS The programme being discussed is not available any more in the link above, so I’ve linked to it below.
In part 2 (pause at 7:59), the look the rabbi gave the smirking zionist Jonathan Sacerdoti at the front is very telling. Insincerity personified. Compared to these two TG comes across well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHxBHOjSmEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjA7PEIjd4
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 7, 2013 at 12:51 am
“Compared to these two TG comes across well”
and dysentery is preferable to colon cancer
fool me once...
January 7, 2013 at 12:39 pm
@AT
“and dysentery is preferable to colon cancer”
Yep, no you’re right. True, I made a faecesious argument that TG came across “well” in the discussion.
I do feel a certain pity for the man though, who’s trapped himself in a cradle of bullshit reads, bobbing about for decades in denial, hoping one day to be recognised by the goyim, and later, appreciated by the jews. Little does he realise that being a basket case can have a whole different meaning.
Roy Bard
January 7, 2013 at 6:49 am
from that TG article on Jewdas: “without once questioning whether the CST and its £100,000+ head might have a vested interest in creating ‘anti-Semitism’as a counter to the very real oppression of Palestinians.”
They’re not the only ones with a vested interest in creating anti-semitism.
In both instances the term is abused by Jews in order to smear those that they don’t agree with politically. Then they complain that people don’t take the term seriously enough…..
TG: ” Zionism, which shares the same viewpoint as anti-Semites ”
So according to the Bundist, as most Jews are Zionist, most Jews are anti-Semitic as well!!
TG: “viz. that Jews belong in Israel not in the Diaspora”
- and that most certainly isn’t what I believe. Next he’ll be accusing me of the new anti-Semitism….
Blake
January 7, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Thanks once again fmo. Interesting stuff. I like the way TG stands up to the Zios but at the same time do not like the way he has it in for Gilad. As one commentator said on another link on his blog they (both TG and Gilad) agree on most things.
Roy Bard
January 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Blake: (both TG and Gilad) agree on most things
I can think of very little they agree on. They differ over things like operating in Jew only cells, whether the discourse should be liberated or controlled, whether the main problem for Palestinians is a settler-colonal state or Jewish power, whether or not the boycott works and is the way forward.
What position do you think they have in common Blake?
Blake
January 8, 2013 at 2:04 am
I don’t know too much about him was just paraphrasing a commentator on his blog.
David Holden
January 6, 2013 at 3:33 pm
the acronym AASJAZ (with no suffix) is first noted in “AZZ: a curious late-20th century historico-ideological recapitulation of the mediaeval wandering J phenomenon?” by Hermione Caddish-Zuckerstein, 2007, New York.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 6:56 pm
If you had been born in a native American tribe they would have made you Namer of Babies. You have the gift.
Hermione Caddish-Zuckerstein indeed!… genius
David Holden
January 6, 2013 at 8:15 pm
one if the few decisive advantages of the forces of light is that liars are constitutionally incapable of understanding truth, whereas truthful people, though they might rather not, cannot help having an immediate intuitive appreciation of lies. this allows those of us cursed with a sense of humour an unwelcome but piercing insight into the deep-structures of deception. it’s one of those subtle little ways in which the angels level the playing field behind the scenes.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 6, 2013 at 10:18 pm
“truthful people, though they might rather not, cannot help having an immediate intuitive appreciation of lie”
mmmm…. some lies are so rotten that the stink prevents any appreciation; people just want to run away holding their noses and retching
David Holden
January 7, 2013 at 1:24 am
my bad choice of word. i meant only understand. in my Rumplestiltskin world ‘connoisseurship’ connotes decadence rather than a praiseworthy and nuanced enjoyment of subtleties beyond the common man’s perception.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 7, 2013 at 10:42 am
Roy: “They’re not the only ones with a vested interest in creating anti-semitism.”
Anti-semitism is not what it used to be once, back when only a select few were hounded into that distinction. It was then as good as gold. Nowadays, the ADL has to carry suitcases full of the worthless paper to make a measly payment.
No offense meant, Roy, but how much do you think little greenie’s recommendation for what has become an anti-semitism diploma mill is worth?
It seems baffling at first sight that Jews who know so much about money (because “they are just better at it”) could act so irresponsibly with one of their most precious assets, flooding the market, creating a rampant inflation and devaluing it. But then, if you think about it, creating anti-semitism “out of thin air,” inventing fractional reserve anti-semitism (without actual back-up), mirrors their banking behavior: intemperate greed. They just can’t help themselves. I’m not saying this hoping some anti-anti-semite of more intellectual heft and name recognition than the funny little man with a permanent bad hair day in London notices it. I really think the comparison is apt.
Roy Bard
January 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Stop the Press: 0.000125 % of the Jews are Ethical and Universalists
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 8, 2013 at 12:05 am
http://www.boldfacenews.com/expose-and-indict-jewish-power/
fool me once...
January 8, 2013 at 2:29 pm
@Roy and AT
The number 50 temporarily appears to be the new 6million.
From the Gilad link;
“These elite 50 even formed an exclusively Jewish list and a website for the matter…In short, I am interested to know what really stands ideologically behind this racially exclusive Jewish collective.”
The answer to Gilad’s question could be forth coming in no more than 50 words from every jew in the country;
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“To make that happen, we are asking every Jew in the country to participate…
Both the JC and JW3 are concerned with the essential questions of Jewish identity. So we are asking all readers, young and old, devout or not, to tell us what being Jewish means to you — and to do so in 50 words or less…
It could be something as meaningful as a passionate devotion to Israel, or as simple as a shared love of terrible Jewish jokes. It could be the instant recognition of another “member of the tribe”, or the painful testimony of a Holocaust survivor.”
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/95573/who-are-we-jewish-identity-21st-century
NB There’s no guarantee the jews answers to the question of jewish identity will be available for perusal, as they are to be entombed in a time capsule ’til the 22nd century.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 8, 2013 at 3:06 pm
This is great! There is no need for any replies. The definition of Jewishness is perfectly expressed in the survey design and content:
–pathological narcissism (forever gazing adoringly at that perfect, all-Jewish navel)
–human feelings replaced by cheap sentimentalism
–delusional obsession with the land stolen by their tribesmen to which they have no real connection
–the eerie sense of an artificial judeo-centric universe –a cardboard stage set in total disconnect with the world
Roy Bard
January 8, 2013 at 8:34 am
Israelis give their votes to Palestinians in Facebook campaign
Cosmo
January 8, 2013 at 9:08 am
There is no such thing as right of return. If there was such inherent right the European Court of Human Rights would have given it to the Greek Kryptos.
European Court of Human Rights on “Right of Return” for Refugees
Some thirty-five years have elapsed since the applicants lost possession of their property in northern Cyprus in 1974. Generations have passed. The local population has not remained static. Turkish Cypriots who inhabited the north have migrated elsewhere; Turkish-Cypriot refugees from the south have settled in the north; Turkish settlers from Turkey have arrived in large numbers and established their homes. Much Greek-Cypriot property has changed hands at least once, whether by sale, donation or inheritance.
Thus, the Court finds itself faced with cases burdened with a political, historical and factual complexity flowing from a problem that should have been resolved by all parties assuming full responsibility for finding a solution on a political level. This reality, as well as the passage of time and the continuing evolution of the broader political dispute must inform the Court’s interpretation and application of the Convention which cannot, if it is to be coherent and meaningful, be either static or blind to concrete factual circumstances.
Roy Bard
January 8, 2013 at 9:55 am
“There is no such thing as right of return.”
So no justification for Zionism in Palestine at all then. For once Cosmo I agree with you
Cosmo
January 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm
A country is entitled to issue whichever immigration laws it wants. A right of return can’t be forced on a state.
Roy Bard
January 9, 2013 at 11:12 am
Cosmo: “A country is entitled to issue whichever immigration laws it wants.”
But no-one has to respect it or abide by it…..
Cosmo: “They went in by boats in defiance of British law.
Now let me guess Cosmo – Jews defying British law = good/Palestinians defying Israeli law = bad….
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 8, 2013 at 3:07 pm
“There is no such thing as right of return.”
How did your mishpoha get there, cosmo?
Cosmo
January 8, 2013 at 4:44 pm
They got there before the formation of the state of Israel not by the law of return or any law. They went in by boats in defiance of British law. All but one grandfather who managed to get his hands on an immigration certificate for a rabbi (not that he was one).
The other grandfather lived in Berl Katznelson’s house if you heard of him, for a few weeks. He was hiding him from the British police.
Blake
January 8, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Right of Return is not negotiable.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
January 8, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Twice blessed in China:
http://forward.com/articles/168452/the-bat-mitzvah-tutor-of-beijing/?p=2
Too early to start talking about the Right of Return to China?
It has a ready-made big Wall!
Blake
January 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Updated list of signatories as at 12 January 2013:
Stephen Aberle, Vancouver, BC, Independent Jewish Voices
Deborah Agre, Berkeley, CA, Middle East Children’s Alliance
Seymour Alexander, Slough, Jews for Justice for Palestinians UK
Ruth Bader, Australia, German-Jewish/Australian, daughter of Holocaust survivors
Adam Balsam, Independent Jewish Voices Canada
Moran Barir, Human rights activist, Jerusalem
Ronnie Barkan, Tel-Aviv, Boycott from Within
Nora Barrows-Friedman, Journalist
Dalit Baum, Israeli feminist teacher and activist
Medea Benjamin, Codirector, Codepink
Mark Berman, Playwright
Rima Berns-McGown, Toronto, Writer and Adjunct Faculty, University of Toronto at Mississauga
Elizabeth Block, Toronto, Independent Jewish Voices
Audrey Bomse, National Lawyers Guild, Free Gaza
Dennis Brasky, Professor – Political Science – Rutgers University
Estee Chandler, Founding Member, Jewish Voice for Peace, L.A. Chapter
David Comedi, Tucumán, Argentina
Prof. Roger Dittmann, CSU Fullerton
Mark Elf, Jews sans frontieres
Prof. Sam Farber, NYC
Deborah Fink, UK, Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods
Alexei Folger, Jewish Voice for Peace, Bay Area
Maxine Fookson, Portland, Oregon, Jewish Voice for Peace
Racheli Gai, Tucson Women in Black, Jewish Voice for Peace
Kamran Ghasri, Israel Divestment Campaign
Dr. Terri Ginsberg, NYC; film scholar; Committee for Open Discussion of Zionism
Neta Golan, Palestinian Territories, ISM
Nathan Goldbaum, ISO, Caucus of Rank-and-File Educators, Chicago Teachers Union
Steve Goldfield, Ph.D., Oakland, CA, Former chair, Palestine Solidarity Committee, former editor, Palestine Focus
Jean R. Goldman, Miami Beach, Women in Black
Sue Goldstein, Toronto, Women in Solidarity with Palestine
Marty Goodman, NYC, Former Executive Board member, Transport Workers Union Local 100
Heidi Grunebaum, Cape Town
Cathy Gulkin, Toronto, Independent Jewish Voices, Queers Against Israeli Apartheid
Georges Gumpel, Union Juive Française pour la Paix
Freda Guttman, Montreal, Tadamon!
Evelyn Hecht-Galinski, Author and journalist, Germany
Annette Herskovits, Berkeley, Holocaust survivor, writer, and activist
Rebecca Hom, International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network-U.S.
Bec Hynek, Sydney, Australia, Socialist Alternative
Jews Opposing Zionism, Not In Our Name – NION (Canada)
Riva Joffe, London, Jews Against Zionism
Ramsey Judah, Los Angeles activist and Immigration Rights Attorney
Alex Kane, Assistant Editor, Mondoweiss.net and World editor, AlterNet
Dan Kaplan, Executive Secretary, AFT Local 1493, San Mateo, CA Community College Federation of Teachers
Asaf Kedar, Zochrot
Alice Diane Kisch, Emerryville, CA, Jewish Voice for Peace
Bud Korotzer, Brooklyn
Yael Korin, Campaign to End Israeli Apartheid, Southern California
Steve Kowit, American poet, Professor emeritus, Southwestern College
L.A. Jews for Peace
Sylvia Laale, Ottawa
Stephen Landau, Translator and publisher, White Plains, NY
David Landy, Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign
Melanie Lazarow, University of Melbourne
Howard Lenow, Sudbury, MA, Union Attorney, Founder American Jews For A Just Peace
Leah Levane, London, Jews for Justice for Palestinians
Daniel Levyne, France, UJFP
Brenda Lewis, Guelph, Ontario, child of Holocaust survivor
Abby Lippman, Montreal, Professor Emerita, McGill University
Jennifer Loewenstein, Madison
Henry Lowi, IDF veteran
Alex Lubin, Professor, American University of Beirut
Helga Mankovitz, Kingston, ON, Independent Jewish Voices
Eli Marcus, Occupied Palestine
Richard Marcuse, West Vancouver, BC, Independent Jewish Voices
Peter Melvyn, Critical Jewish Voice, Vienna
Waldo Mermelstein, Sao Paulo
Gail Miller, NY, Passenger, U. S. Boat to Gaza–The Audacity of Hope
Prof. Hilton Obenzinger
Akiva Orr, Matzpen
Peter Rachleff, Saint Paul, Professor of History, Macalester College
Zohar Chamberlain Regev, Dúrcal, Granada, Spain
Fanny-Michaela Reisin, Jewish Voice for a Just Peace – EJJP Germany
Ernest Rodker, Jews for Justice for Palestinians, UK
Professor Jonathan Rosenhead, Chair, British Committee for the Universities of Palestine
Martha Roth, Vancouver BC, Independent Jewish Voices
Cheyl A. Rubenberg, Boca Raton, Professor (retired)
Leslie Safran, London
Margot Salom, Brisbane Australia, Just Peace for Palestine
Christiane Schomblond, Brussels, Belgium, professor retired from University of Brussels
Ralph Schoenman, Vallejo, CA., Author: Hidden History of Zionism
Yossi Schwartz, Haifa, Internationalist Socialist League
Amanda Sebestyen, International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network UK, JfJfP, JBIG, IJV
Sid Shniad, Vancouver, BC, National Steering Committee, Independent Jewish Voices
Mya Shone, Author, The Hidden History of Zionism and other works
Abba A. Solomon, Author of The Speech, and Its Context
Peter Sporn, Oak Park, Illinois, Arab Jewish Partnership for Peace and Justice in the Middle East
Marsha Steinberg, BDS LA for Justice in Palestine
Cy & Lois Swartz, Philadelphia, Grandparents for Peace in the Middle East
Prof. Barry Trachtenberg
Matthew Taylor, Berkeley, founding member, Young Jewish and Proud group within Jewish Voice for Peace
Steve Terry, Criminal defense attorney, Brooklyn
Lily van den Bergh, Documentary filmmaker & organiser, Women in Black The Netherlands
Dominique Ventre, French Jewish Union for Peace; International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network France
Judith Weisman, Toronto, Independent Jewish Voices, Not in Our Name
Suzanne Weiss, Toronto
Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, Founder member, Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods
Tamar Yaron, Kibbutz Hazorea, Israel, founder & moderator: Encounter-EMEM for international Israel-Palestine peace activities
Blake
January 13, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Update of ADDITIONAL signatories that should have read. Apologies