Freedom for the Syrians – is it inevitable?
The village of Taldou, near the town of Houla in Syria’s Homs province was the scene of one of the worst massacres in the country’s 14-month-long uprising on Friday.
Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen and Libya fell; however, Syria and Bahrain seem to be defying that trend, where signs of regime change look remote; both nations are governed by the minority sect. Bahrain is dominated by the minority Sunni regime over the Shi’ite masses, and the situation is the reverse in Syria. In the case of Bahrain, the momentum for the protests is receding, whereas in Syria, the violence is escalating; to date it is estimated 15,000 people are dead.
With the systematic murder of 108 civilians including 49 children in Houla and subsequently 78 killed in the town of al-Qubair in a similar manner, the cycle of violence has escalated to new heights – naturally the peace negotiated earlier by Kofi Anan has been nullified. The harrowing pictures of children soaked in blood have been published in some of the Arabic newspapers; according to the UN the victims were summarily executed. In response, many countries have expelled Syrian diplomats. Note the contrast of response to the Israelis committing massacre of civilians in Gaza, and despite the overwhelming evidence, it was as usual, ‘defenceless’ Israel ‘defending’ itself with much greater firepower.
It’s unlikely that the Syrian regime was directly involved in the massacres which would be an own goal, but the government has the ultimate responsibility to maintain security, and so far, nobody has been brought to account. Like the old Gaddafi regime, the Syrian regime dismissed it as the works of foreign terrorists, the ubiquitous Al-Qaeda, designed to tarnish the Syrian regime; everyone is playing the Al-Qaeda card. The numerous reports from witnesses suggested the culprits were the infamous Shabiha militiamen; they are pro-Assad Alawites and the victims of Houla and al-Qubair were predominantly Sunnis. This adds further fuel to the tension of Shia-Sunni conflict escalating into a full scale civil war. Across the border, Lebanon has already started to get dragged into the conflict, as skirmishes have broken out between the pro and anti Assad factions that also reflect Shia-Sunni schism to some extent.
This potential conflagration of Shia-Sunni conflict breaking out in the region has been the main reason cited by the West against military intervention. The former UN General Secretary, Kofi Anan, echoed this, unlike Libya, Syria will not implode but explode he stated at a conference. Surely, this argument was more applicable to Iraq, where the Shia and Sunni identity is far more pronounced and the population is almost evenly split. Yet, such a conflict that has been lingering on at a low level has not escalated to a full scale civil war, despite numerous attempts by outsiders to induce this, coupled with the actions of certain sectarian zealots.
Others have pointed to political uncertainty as the reason for the reluctance to engage militarily; the rebels are fragmented and Assad could be replaced by a more hostile Sunni dominated regime. Hence, the Americans (and their key ally Israel) may see the Alawite based Assad regime as the best option to continue with.
Some have suggested arming the resistance and only the French have called for direct military action, and without the backing of other major nations, that is unlikely to materialise. Especially as the Russians and the Chinese are still resisting calls to isolate Syria further and endorse additional UN action.
Hence, the question is who will win, the rebels or the regime or will there be a compromise solution?
Given that the pro and anti government groups, along with the neutral faction, are almost evenly split; the final outcome is unlikely to be determined by these groups. In the absence of international players getting involved militarily, it is the regional powers like Turkey and Iran that have the ability to influence the outcome of this uprising in Syria.
Turkey, a predominantly Sunni country could intervene, but it would need some sort of mandate from the Arab and Islamic countries, this would help Turkey to gain leadership of the Islamic world. Concurrently, Turkey would also settle its score with Kurdish resistance groups operating from within Syria itself. If Turkey could achieve peace and stability it would also enhance its position within NATO and Europe.
Iran too has been vying for that position of acquiring leadership of the Islamic world particularly with its anti-Israeli and anti-US rhetoric; however it has continued to support the Syrian regime to its own detriment in the long term and exposing its underlying sectarian nature. Iran has shown no signs of taking an objective approach to the issue unlike its stance towards Libya and Egypt, where it correctly advised the leadership to stand down and give the people a voice.
Despite the Arab spring, the uprising in Syria is not surprising, when you cross the Syrian border into Jordan or go further into Saudi and the Gulf states, it seems like a trip through a time machine, going from a country that looks like something from Eastern Europe in the 50/60s living under a dictatorship, to a modern western like nation of Jordan, where you get the shopping malls, KFCs, McDonalds, free access to Internet, the youths wearing the latest clothes and driving cars that were manufactured in the last 10 years, and most important where freedom to voice your opinion exists to some degree. I recall being approached and questioned (interrogated) by the secret police, when I was merely waiting for a Bus in the Damascus town of Muhajirin, on a Saturday night.
With the information age, the masses and especially the youths of Syria, desire the same things: jobs, political freedom, material wealth, political stability and the rule of law instead of nepotism. Hence, even if the current regime manages to quell this rebellion, it will not end the inevitable push towards freedom and democracy that manifests within the religious and cultural paradigm of the Syrian nation. The question remains – what will be the final price paid in Syrian blood?
Yamin Zakaria (yamin@radicalviews.org)
Published on 20th June 2012
London, UK
www.radicalviews.org
http://yaminzakaria.blogspot.com
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what a bunch of crap.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This article repeats all what corrupted MSMedia write.
it is really challenging . wow, Iam very impressed. The youth of Syria wants gmo’s Mc Donald, KFC gmo’s, new cars, gay marriages, access to MSMedial brainwashing and demoralisation. They ‘ve been deprived all of it and that is why they protest. So good , democratic people from NATO nad USA will bring all of it on the tanks and planes, under the “humanitarian mission” label ,and all will be good. Life will ba all peachy the same it is now in Iraq, Aphganistan,Serbia/Kosove, Libya.
Where do you get all those crappy articles and writers?? It is just pitiful.
Strange perspective. The author seems to imply that “freedom” for Syria is uncertain, unlike Libya where it has already arrived?!?
The author also places side by side Syria and Bahrein as states that “defy the trend” noting the difference that “Bahrain is dominated by the minority Sunni regime over the Shi’ite masses, and the situation is the reverse in Syria.”
Nothing about Saudi Arabia fighter jets?
Even if the massacres were not committed by the regime but by “Assad Alawites” (that’s as far as the author wishes to extend doubt), Zakaria claims it is still the government’s responsibility to maintain security so why has it not been brought to account?
Making the customary reference to Israel’s massacres in Gaza that gatekeepers use to establish their ‘objectivity,” Zakaria then informs us that The US and Israel do not wish Assda to go, cross his heart and hope to die, because, look,”the Americans (and their key ally Israel) may see the Alawite based Assad regime as the best option to continue with.”
Nauseating zioprop.
Here we have another sectarian liar, claiming that the victims in Houla and al-Qubair are Sunnis killed by Allawi Chabiha.
To look objective, he equated Syria the corner stone of arab resistance with Bahrain the base of the seventh American fleet, but ignored to say a word about the uprising in Saudia
“the uprising in Syria is not surprising”
Why?
“when you cross the Syrian border into Jordan or go further into Saudi and the Gulf states, it seems like a trip through a time machine, going from a country that looks like something from Eastern Europe in the 50/60s living under a dictatorship, to a modern western like nation of Jordan….”
Objective Yamin, on his way from Syria Via Jordon to the western like nations in Saudi.. ignored to tell us about the saudi women “wearing the latest clothes and driving cars that were manufactured in the last 10 years, and most important where freedom to voice your opinion exists”
For those who don’t know Yamin was one of the boys of Mary Rizzo of the dead ZTT called PTT
Didn’t know the boy was a repeat offender with antecedents… those are aggravating factors in judging him.
I clicked on his name and went to his site. Among other drivel I saw this title:
“Was it Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or Usamah Bin Laden behind the 9/11 attacks?”
A thinking boy, Yasmin, he has ‘doubts,’ offers alternative explanations.
As the black jive goes “If it aint Osama maybe it’s your mama.”
Not his biological mama, but the one that gives him ziotit.
Ariadna: I’ve replied to your comments on my ’9/11 truth’ article: http://tinyurl.com/d552c6j
It ends up by expressing concern about the eerie similarities between Stalinism in the thirties, and the self-referential, sectarian logic on display in many of the comments on this site.
“but the one that gives him ziotit.”
ziotit?
ohhh…ziotit:
http://www.maltastar.com/userfiles/image/newslead/pip_breast_implants_leaking.jpg
the one on the right is apparently ziolactating.
//Here we have another sectarian liar, claiming that the victims in Houla and al-Qubair are Sunnis killed by Allawi Chabiha.//
Fine then enlighten us otherwise with the facts. You sound like a pro-Iranian Shia. We may disagree with a viewpoint but to claim its lie you need to show that
a) I know the truth and did not state it
or
b) I am claiming something without any evidence what so ever for a motive.
“You sound like a pro-Iranian Shia.”
Expected from a sectairian , I am a pro-Iran, not because they are Shia, but because they, like secular Syria are on right side of History.
I wonder if you ever thought why Prophet Mohamad PUH died after he defeated the Mushrikeen? He completed his Mission, and put Muslim on the right path the Path of ALLAH, which is mainly the path of human freedom. The root of Muslims division into Sunni and Shia has nothing to do with Islam, it was about politics and power.
I am a muslim. FULLSTOP. However, If I have to chose, I support those looking forward preparing the stage for Mahdi comming, not Salafis pushing us 1500 years back, because my “dear”, I believe our great leaders Abu Bake and Omar, if they live again they will be like AHL-ALKHAF.
Take it from BBC
BCC EDITOR JON WILLIAMS ADMITTED THEY LIED ABOUT HOULA MASSACRE
of course they are liers and manipualtors.
we now live in the world where info fly within seconds from one end of the world to the other, but at the same time the quality of the info, teh truth behind it is often times not worth mentioning. And many people STILL perceive the info on MSM as the truth and the only truth. But then……..we ‘ve become impotent Confused, manipulated , easy to divide impotents.
Hidden US-Israeli Military Agenda: “Break Syria into Pieces” by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20120616&articleId=31454
another israeli in make-believe muslim clothing. there must be a factory somewhere in israel cloning these chalabis.
Actually the article is salvageable. He just has to change
–the title to:
War on Syria — Is It Inevitable?
–and the content.
Maybe you can write something and teach us
Would you like me to rewrite your article?
I really despair at some of the views of commentators on this site. Syrian people need to be free from Assad he is a dictator, yet whilst everyone cheered on the Egyptians the Syrians are not allowed to get rid of him. The people of Libya are mostly happy, I have many Libyan friends who are now working and contributing back in Libya and the tribal biff outs there are to be expected since Libya had no system and the people are not used to working problems through any system to a conclusion. You can’t have democracy in a day. Plenty brainwashed people on this website. To call Sunnis Israelis in Muslim clothing because they support the removal of Assad is plain stupid. If there is false information coming out of Syria, I am not surprised since journalists are killed and imprisoned and even the UN people were targetted. But there is a good saying that applies “None so blind as those who won’t see”.
“I really despair at some of the views of commentators on this site”. Me too.
The only brainwashed people on this website, is you and your Brothers, Khalid Amayeh and Yamin. I can imagine what types of friends you have in Libya, who believe that:
“Success will never come from deviant”
There was a system in Libya and in Iraq that worked for decades until it was destroyed by your Nato master.
Its not black or white, and its not about democracy and dictorships, stupid. Its about oil and shalom for the zionist entity.
George Galloway hit the nail while disscusing Syria crisis: He said: He is against dictatorship, for one man one vote in Syria, and in Bahrain. He is against intervention in Syria.
The Nato hate the dictatorship in Syria, and love it in Pro-west regimes, they hate the family rule in Syria and love it in pro-west regimes.
On that your brothers are on the same page with Usrael, they ride the people uprising and stupidly and lead it behind the same bars. Mabrouk, Laura, you got a HALF President (still not official) without balls.
In libya “You can’t have democracy in a day.”. But in Syria Assad should bring democracy in one second.
Wakeup stupid: Its not about democracy, its about a new Sykes Beku, dividing the devided.
Finally, I checked all the comments here and found nobody calling (Sunnis) Israelis in Muslim clothing. So you are a liar. Its your Sectairian Yamin who is pouring oil to turn a political crisis into a Sectairian civil war. Treason has no religion and no sect.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۘبَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ ﴿٥١﴾[5:51]
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
To understand the Verses read my comment “Here
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Laura, you can people who don’t support your sectarian views brain-washed till the cows come home.
You make statements without support and others that are self-contradictory, such as that the information (that you don’t like) coming out of Syria is false because “journalists are killed and imprisoned.” How then is the information on CNN or BBC (complete with fake pictures) accurate? Do they have invisible journalists?
Laura has her own , invisible , “many friends” ,hidden all over,under a ground ,who
tell her that all is peachy in Libya even though democracy there is not in a full bloom yet, since it “takes” years to achieve it.
But laura and her
“invisible” many friends hope that that kind democracy will be brought soon to Syria and Iran ,becasue Laura is another happily deluded puppet,
who falls for ziopropaganda even though ,she thinks she is above that.
As Lenin said, there are plenty of “useful idiots” out there, and they can be always easily used, when the need comes.
Laura you can salute yourself in a mirrow for becoming a wonderful “useful idiot”.
as wr wb, sister, if one finds oneself as a Muslim calling for NATO to bomb majority Muslim countries to install a western anti-Muslim puppet to free oneself from the tyranny of a corrupt and despotic ruler, then one certainly has to question the quality of his eeman on this political subject., we should pray for guidance and wisdom not for salvation from the disbelievers who hate submission to Allah swt.
In non religious terms, one has only to ascertain the outcome of the Egyptian Facebook psyop to see the danger of playing into the desires of the western liberals.
Perhaps when they institute married Lesbian Imams in saudia, make Mecca into a Disney theme park ,and outlaw the Quran as hate speech, then will we fully understand the dangers of allying with the mushrikeen in the anti colonial struggle.
[see alex comment below again]
I am interested to know what are your thoughts about Arab spring reaching Jordan. Why is the fact that a Palestinian majority ruled under a Bedouin Hashemite never discussed? Which all the thousands of articles written about the Palestinians every year one would assume the fact they could have their own state in Jordan if only democratic elections would take place there would be discussed. Is having KFC and free access to Internet enough?
The that the subject of a Palestinian spring in Jordan is never discussed by people who call themselves pro Palestinians make you think they are not really pro Palestinians at all just anti Israelis.
Cosmo the Palestinians have a right to a Palestinian State on the land of Palestine not in Jordon.
Forget about the Palestinians for a second, do you have any good argument why in these modern times a state should be ruled by a monarchy where a family of minority holds on to power?
Palestinians having a state 12 times the size of Israel will probably be more likely to compromise about 0.0035 of their land in the West Bank.
But of course you couldn’t care less about the peace, the Palestinians or how much land they have. All you care is how much land can be taken from the Jews.
The conflict is not about having a state, its about the thefted land, and right of retun of palestinian uprooted from that land (river to sea). Once liberated, and it will be liberated, the people will decide there future.
Interestingly I don’t remember any Arab talk about the thefted land when Jordan occupied the West Bank. Didn’t he call himself the king of the King of Jordan and Palestine? So why does Palestine’s borders only reach the river?
By the way there are hundreds of thousand of Palestinian refugees in Jordan which fled their homes between the river to sea in 1967 from Gaza. They can freely move back to their homes today through Egypt. Why don’t they?
“Interestingly I don’t remember”
hasbarabots don’t have memories. or souls.
Cosmo wailed: “Why don’t they?”
Could it be cause they don’t want to be hungry in an open air prison?
So it is not really about people longing to return to their homes…it is about whether you can improve your economic situation or not.
When your home is in the state of Israel transformed into a modern thriving state by the Jews you want to return when it is Gaza you don’t really miss your ancestral home.
If they did chose to return I am sure Hamas would remove the squatters who invaded their homes and give it back to the refugees right?
Open air and open gate prison you mean, after all the gate to Egypt is wide open isn’t it?
Never mind Roy or any of the others who just don’t get it.
I agree with everything you say except stop calling them Palestinians because we know no such thing exists:
they are Arabs and of course these Arabs cling to Israel, that former desert that was made to bloom by the hard-working jews, where they have it so good, instead of going home, which would be any Arab state. Their Arab brothers have an obligation to take them in, is what I say.
I only half agree with you on Jordan: yes, the monarchy has to fall because of human rights and so forth but how can you say that should be the destination for Palestinians? I mean Arabs. Jordan itself is part of Eretz Israel, at least a good chunk of it. Let them go farther… the farther the better.
You know this very same argument is applied (upside down, needless to say) to the Jews in the communist countries who did not wish to stay home. Most of them were confused–after so much suffering–and once allowed to “repatriate” tried to veer course en route and instead of going to Israel, go to the US or Western Europe.
But organizations like HIAS were there to help them every step of the way, explaining that Israel will give them free board and lodging and schooling to learn Hebrew until they were settled.
The same argument is made now about the Israelis leaving in droves to go to… Germany. Wrong! Economic advantages never mattered to Jews.
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“they are Arabs and of course these Arabs cling to Israel, that former desert that was made to bloom by the hard-working jews”
Thank you for confirming my identification of you as an agent Ariadna.
This entire site is a setup. They call it “Deliberation”, but they have the same stories and attitudes the Zionists do.
I don’t see any Zionists pushing for the “Transfer of the right of Return”
DeLiberation does not mean agreement or even consensus – DeLiberation= “long and careful consideration or discussion”
she is just being sarcastic. quite a few people fell on Ariadna’s style, including Gilad. I guess sarcasm sometimes is taken for what is should not be. it is taken literally and Adrianna gets the beating.
Discretion is not among your qualities, happeh. Did you have to blurt it all out like that? If you just said “I know who you are,” it would have been enough for me.
Being a double agent aint no walk in the park. Heavy lifting, low pay. Unlike sanitation workers we have no union, no job security: we shovel dreck all day for low pay and if a sharp happeh makes you out, your cover is blown. Now I have to work for free until I redeem myself.
Are you happy happeh?
Droves you say…
How many Israelis migrated to Germany this year?
Didn’t get a German passport, actually left to live there?
You are a nasty piece of work Cosmo.
I openly say that I have Israel’s interests ahead of Palestinian interests, but I still have Palestinian interests in mind. I would like to see a prospering Palestinian state living side by side to an Israeli state even if the other options would be continued current status quo without any negative repercussions to Israel or a failing Palestinian state bordering Israel.
On the other hand most other people here not only don’t just put Palestinians ahead of Israelis in their priorities, they are more interested in harming Israel than helping Palestinians, we both know that is true. When Palestinians are being killed by in Lebanon by the Army as happened this week, or as happened in Syria, they couldn’t care less.
I support a peaceful solution while most people here support the destruction of Israel and I am the nasty one?
“most people here support the destruction of Israel and I am the nasty one?”
Right again, Cosmo, that’s what I think they’re all about too. They don’t call it “destruction,” they call it ‘dismantling,’ or one state” but it would be the destruction of the state for jews for sure, the state like no other where everybody anywhere in the world who can prove his maternal lineage is welcome, a state with roads for them only, a state so alive it is still growing, without fixed borders.
Of course you are not the nasty one, that’s just the envy in them speaking because you don’t have to be anything, to do anything and you are still superior to all of them, and that’s a jewish fact.
Interestingly, this hasbarabot, jumped to help… and change the topic to jordon. Laura, immediatly responded.
So, back to the topic, I ask Laura why
Who is overseeing and facilitating arms flow to Syrian rebels
Me? Muslim terrorist? But I work for the CIA!
You saw the change of topic too huh?
Conversation on the internet is dead. Any conversation anywhere is ruined by government or corporate agents with an agenda.
I do not understand the initial comments – they are hostile but as to what is being argued is not clear.
All I am saying the Syrians want a government that is accountable to the masses, where the rule of law prevails, opportunities are given on the basis of merit. What is so contraversial about that?
I see the discussion has diagressed into Palestine, by the few Zionists making their case.
“All I am saying the Syrians want a government that is accountable to the masses, where the rule of law prevails, opportunities are given on the basis of merit. ”
Then you should rewrite your article to contain only the above sentence. You created a lot of confusion by all the rest of it which gives a completely different impression of what you say is “All” you wanted to say.
All your other speculations about which other countries could or should intervene made it sound like you don’t really give a hoot about what Syrians want to do by themselves, left alone.
The comparison with Libya was a faux pas too, in my opinion, despite Laura’s solid information from a few of her friends to the effect that the Libyans are pleased as punched to have been bombed into democracy and relieved of the burden and headaches of their oil by friendly international petroleum companies. (“Lend thy oil but few thy sunnies”?)
Shorten your article and change the title too. Make it… “All I am saying”
Ariadana – the problem is not the article but your comprehension.
As for intervention, its simple, ask the Syrians and look at the images and statements.
Yamin
Ariadna who was Gaddafi selling oil to ?
The Libyans are honouring contracts made previously.
I have never met a Libyan who would return to Gaddafi rule but I met plenty who wanted rid of him outside the Libyan embassy every weekend when I went there.
I have plenty Libyan friends who lived in Libya and who left Libya who now returned to live there again and I also have been to Libya and spent some time there, there was no system in place in Libya except a tribal one and everything was done by who you know. Libyans have not had a process for dealing with issues properly for years and years, there was a lot of poverty there too something which no one wants to admit. I saw fights between men on the streets every day I was there, this is how they deal with stuff and they are probably the same now plus a surplus of guns and ammunition. I wonder how deluded Muslims in particular can be to support this man Gaddafi who wrote the Green Book which contradicted the Quran? I wonder how many people who are commenting have spent time in Libya or Syria? Or have friends who actually live in those countries or does everyone get their info from leftist “anti imperialist” websites?
Everything you say about Libya one could say about Iran if one hanged around with the Iranian ex-pats in California, those who fled when the Shah fled, who would gladly see their country bombed so they can return and pillage it again, or at least get the trickle-down their long lost masters, riding them mightily again, would let them enjoy.
I have nothing but contempt for the Chalabis of this world –people who want their country destroyed by foreign military power so they can feast on the carrion of their own homeland.
Don’t act even more stupid than you are.
Whatever you say goes agaisnt you.
You are an opportunist ,who uses the same lines as American /nato politicians before “bringing democracy” to Iraq and Libya.
It is a waste of time to discuss anything with a ziorat that you are.
iam really surprised that somebody at deliberation posts that kind of crappy, zio propaganda articles here.
what is the point of it??
you are losing your credibility by doing that.
Don’t be such a killjoy.
I like these articles a lot. They are fun. Informative too in their own way.
‘Informative too in their own way.”
…
informative in a way that show how many of
so- called regular people are still blinded by a ziomedia, even though many considers themselves progressive, know-it-all thinkers , well-informed studs, while in reality they are just naive belivers of mainstream propaganda, who soak everything that ‘s squeezed at them.
I am lately not in a mood to “enjoy” them because there are much too many of them. there are like ants marching down, one by one.
In a group ants can be quite dangerous.
One or two ants are just annoying , little , unharmful pests, but aa a group they can even eat you alive.
Well if you are implying that I am influenced by Zio media – I haven’t bought a newspaper for about 15 years and neither have I watched t.v. so I wonder which media you mean.
The plain fact is that if Assad was to leave and the most likely government would be formed from Sunni Muslim Brotherhood types, they would be more hostile to Israel than Assad was, plus they will unite with other like minded governments in Egypt Tunisia and Turkey so there wil be a united front against the common enemy which is Israel.
People here only defend Assad as they are thinking in terms of the enemy of my enemy is our friend but no government is going to be pro Israel.
“if you are implying that I am influenced by Zio media ”
I for one don’t think so. My impression is that you have sectarian funnel vision.
“People here only defend Assad as they are thinking in terms of the enemy of my enemy ”
Can’t speak for everyone but I think you are wrong again in your guessing what other people think.
Assad has not been an “enemy” at all. In fact he has been a pliant tool of USrael in nasty tasks given to him, like renditions.
You don’t seem to comprehend that most people are not “defending Assad” but prefer to let the Syrian people sort out their grievances without outside intervention and false flag operations (including massacres) and without the military attack that you openly saluted in Libya and clearly support here as well as “help.”
“My impression is that you have sectarian funnel vision.”
Not sure if this is a typo or a carefully constructed zio smear.
“Erez N. Ribak and his student Amichai Labin at the Technion- Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa, have shown how…the glial cells are acting as light pipes for delivering visual images of the outside world into the brain.”
http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2010/05/funnel-vision.html
All I can say is
:- )
Iraq is very different from Libya. In Libya the masses rose in revolt and asked for intervention. Whether democracy succeeds there or not will depend on the local population.
I find it bizzare that as soon as you disagree you are a Zio-something.
I have written plenty of stuff on Israel and Iraq.
“In Libya the masses rose in revolt and asked for intervention”
what is the source of your info?? CNN? BBC??
“Iraq is very different from Libya. In Libya the masses rose in revolt and asked for intervention. ”
See who uninformed you are? There is no difference.
My government told us that the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms and so they did. I also saw that scene where they toppled Hussein’s statue. What a scene! I watched the video with my own eyes and counted at least six people who looked like Iraqis who were pulling it down. Sure, there were elements of the former regime that were trying to resist, plus AlQaida plus Iranians subversion but in the end democracy won.
War is war so more than 1 mil. Iraqis were killed (mostof them in the fog of war) but democracy demands sacrifices, especially in countries populated by–pardon me–Arabs and/or muslims who can’t get the hang of it without our help.
Also a few million Iraqis fled–refugees now in other countries–and that superficially viewed is bad but every cloud has a silver lining: with all the destruction of buildings and homes, think of the the pressure those who fled took off the real estate market.
“I find it bizzare that as soon as you disagree you are a Zio-something.”
You’re new to this site, aren’t you, Yamin?
With just a little encouragement he can learn the ropes fast. I have high hopes for him. I see him as the The Great Arab aema, but more polished: he is polite!
Tell him if he sticks around he can go places.
Yamin – don’t take Ariadna’s insults too seriously. She’s a great parodist. Currently, she’s parodying the self-righteous, self-referential, scientifically-challenged, sectarian pseudo-theorists who buzz around Palestine solidarity websites, insulting their betters, and from whom the word ‘Zionist’ is a compliment.
I don’t deny I am challenged, Jay: I can’t find my betters with both hands.
But I thought you were more, shall we say, impregnable. I am surprised you seem to feel stung to the quick, especially since I wasn’t really trying.
Man up now, emoticon coming
Couldn’t anyone want the government in Syria down for other reason other than supporting Zionism? Are the thousands or millions of Syrians that want Assad down do it because of their love of Israel?
I think it is obvious that Saudi Arabia is much more involved in supporting the rebels in Syria than Israel is. They are just as much against the Iranian axis as Israel is and would love to see a Sunni government break Syria from that axis.
I see the level of deLiberation has reached rock bottom here with your comment Searching.
this is my comment not deLiberation’s.
Your coments on the subject reached the maximum level of ignorance and delusion.
You indirectly support loudly, publically the same force that you claim that you are against.
“I do not understand the initial comments – they are hostile but as to what is being argued is not clear.”
Because you are clearly an agent. No one bothers detailing why they are hostile to agents. What is the point?
The minute you equated Syria and Bahrain you held a sign over your head saying “I work for the government/Zionists”.
The west is arming criminal gangs and foreign agents in Syria to destroy the legitimate government.
The west armed the Bahrain government so they could suppress the regular people in Bahrain who were protesting.
The two are complete opposites, yet you lumped them together as if they were the same situation.
Does propaganda work pay well? I can never get one of you agents to fess up how much they pay you.
I did read the George Bush administration paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to American media to plant stories.
Do you get paid hundreds of thousands for writing your propaganda?
Persuader words often used to bolster a flagging argument.
People often use words such as ‘obviously’, ‘clearly’, and ‘surely’ ‘Naturally’ in their attempts to be persuasive.
You hit the nail
Some one cited Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, he has also published my articles in the past on his website.
Yamin
That’s good. This inclusion of your article in deLiberation should bolster your CV as well.
I do what I can, and consider myself a student of learning – and I am not someone who is busy passing negative comments.
You should maybe consider producing something on Syria as well – and make a positive contibution towards the deabte and learning.
There is pleny of good , intersting , independent info on Syria that can be placed here in delib, There is no need to posts writing of somebody who thinks that he knows something while in reality he is just another hasbara puppet.
maybe even without knowing that.
If you are a student than study, learn, listen and refrain from public writing because I can tell that you have nothing interesting and TRUE to say.
But if you do decide to write something ,then
be prepeared to take a beating if people don’t like what you wrote.
And reflect on it if you can.
and don;t follow the propaganda , follow the truth. truth is not popular and truth is not in the MSmedia. You won’t find it there.
Thanks for asking. Actually I have produced something on Syria, short and easy to remember:
Hands Off Syria!
Yamin: to gain credibility here, it’s not enough to be accepted by Chossudovsky. He’s just one nutcase. You have to agree with all of them, otherwise you are a Zionist troll, and a chem-trails denier too.
You gotta watch yourself or you’ll get a persecution mania, Jay, which, true enough, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you. (No emoticon here, they bother you)
Ariadna: it’s not emoticons that bother me. It’s your use of them to falsely imply that you have a plausible alternative explanation to the evidence that September 11th was an Islamic terrorist attack.
Jay, if you tell me that the moon is made of green cheese, which explains the fermentation stains and shadows we see on it, I don’t have to have an “alternative explanation” as to what chemical elements constitute the substance of the Moon.
I am not “falsely implying”–I am stating out loud that the Boxcutters’ Conspiracy Theory is poppycock to me.
If so many people had not died that day and more than a million later, as a direct result of that day, I would laugh out loud at the tale.
I still manage to chuckle over some of its details and include emoticons.
I am not bothered by your devotion to it; why are you bothered by my refusal to buy it?
So anyone who disagrees with Syria people being killed for their right to end a dictatorship but be a Zionist troll right?
I don’t know what’s going on in Syria, and neither do most of the commenters, but some of them think they do. It’s true that the Western media blatantly lies about rulers they don’t like. For example, they said that the dictator of Romania killed ten thousand people, including children, in 1989. It was not true. It does not follow that every claim about a dictator in the Western media is false. Neither is it true that every statement in the media is ‘Zionist’. It’s not at all clear that Israel would like to see Assad overthrown.
I wonder if gaining credibility is down to you ?
What a surprise. An Israeli posting articles written by a pro Israeli propagandist.
That is how Israelis control the world. They only promote and hire each other.
“most people here support the destruction of Israel and I am the nasty one?”
I like this one
– At least the Israeli state exists so that one can talk of its destruction!
Likewise the constant talk of Israeli security when no security exists for the Palestenians.
OH, I forget to say after crossing Jordan borders with KSA I saw the saudi women “wearing the latest clothes and driving cars that were manufactured in the last 10 years, and most important where freedom to voice your opinion exists”
Suadi government is accountable to the masses, where the rule of law prevails, opportunities are given on the basis of merit. Only 22% of Saudis are below poverty line.
Yamim would say the problem is not his article but my comprehension.
it looks like most of us, here ,have a problem with “comprehension” of Yamim’s article.
maybe becasue it was written in ziopropaganda language, and we sort of are getting an allergic reaction to it in here?
Is that the best that Shia can do? Always pointing the finger at al Saud and shouting Wahhabi or Salafi? What makes you think that any Sunni want Al Saud?
“no security exists for the Palestenians.”
Yamin like the talk about the destruction of Israel, but works for the destuction of the Palestinian cause. I assure you that if Syria fell, GOD FORBID, the fate of Palestinians refugee in Syria and Lebanon, will not be different from the Palestinians of Iraq, May be Our American Brother would send them to Jordan. and that would make Cosmo very hapy
Can anyone show me where I have called for NATO to bomb Syria. If you can’t then please shut up and accept that you are lying.
you were happy with Nato bombing Libya,
and you despair that that kind of “democracy” is spared (yet) to Syrians.
How low can you go, Laura??
Yes Searching do you know why? Because the Libyan people wanted help and why did they want help? Because their leader was killing them.
Iraqi people also wanted help becasue bad boogie man Hussein was killing them. same thing happened in Serbia
The same happens now in Syria ,where a small minoirty of so-called “rebels” , heavily supported by ammunition and mercenarieries from a zio-usa-west “want help”.
bad bogie man Assad is killing them ,
that’s why naive , good hearted Laura wants to send NATO/USA troops, planes and tanks to Syria bring “peace and democracy” a la zio-western mode.
Becasue good, well hearted Laura is another deluded “useful idiot” that count in millions.
At least you can not say that you are alone. You have quite a company.
delusion is very contagious.
Searching show me where I said I want to send NATO OR US TROOPS ………. YOU ARE LYING
You did not say it directly ,but from the overall tone of your comments ( supporting bombing of Libya, whining about killing UN representaives etc ) one can easily figure it out that you would not cry beacuse Nato bombed Syria .
You fit perfectly into zionist’s ideology into sacrafiacing innocent people for the lofty idea.
Maybe you should switch the sides?
Laura Stuart
“The people of Libya are mostly happy, I have many Libyan friends who are now working and contributing back in Libya and the tribal biff outs there are to be expected since Libya had no system and the people are not used to working problems through any system to a conclusion. You can’t have democracy in a day. Plenty brainwashed people on this website.”
Yamin Zakaria
“In Libya the masses rose in revolt and asked for intervention. Whether democracy succeeds there or not will depend on the local population.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE
“Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was “worth it” wins Medal of Freedom”
in the last week, over 100 people have been killed and more than 500 injured in libya, but it’s “worth it”.
but “worth it” for whom? that is the question that needs to be asked, and kept being asked when these people promote war crimes and terrorism that furthers american fascist and “greater” israel zionazi interests. especially the zionazi interests.
the war against the syrian people being waged by the zionazis and american fascists is no different than the war they waged against the libyan people and that war is no different from they war they are waging against the iraqi and afghan people.
Jay Knott
“Yamin: to gain credibility here, it’s not enough to be accepted by Chossudovsky. He’s just one nutcase. You have to agree with all of them, otherwise you are a Zionist troll, and a chem-trails denier too.”
you went around trying to convince people on this site andrew mathis wasn’t a zionist and then call chossudovsky a nutcase.
that’s funny.
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/06/21/house-bill-would-prohibit-any-intervention-in-syria/
House Bill Would Prohibit Any Intervention in Syria
“Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has introduced the bill – HR 5993 The Syria Non-Intervention Act of 2012 – which is “modeled after the famous Boland Amendments of the early 1980s that were designed to limit the president’s assistance to the Contras in their attempt to overthrow the government of Nicaragua,” Paul said in a statement.”
Ron Paul lost that battle before he even started it:
(from Counterpinch.org)
“CIA agents have been deployed to Turkey to organize the arming of the so-called rebels in Syria seeking the overthrow of the government of President Bashar al-Assad, the New York Times reported Thursday.
The report, citing information provided by senior US officials as well as Arab intelligence officers, states that the CIA operatives are directing a massive smuggling operation through which “automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries, including the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, and paid for by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.”
The day before the publication of the Times piece, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland reiterated the Obama administration’s public line. “We have repeatedly said that we are not in the business of arming in Syria.” She went on to describe Syria’s ambassador to the United Nations, Bashar al-Jaafari as “deluded” for charging that major foreign powers were backing “armed terrorist groups” in his country and trying to escalate Syria’s crisis into an “explosion” in order to bring about “regime change.”
The Times article only confirms earlier press reports and provides further detail in exposing the same, barely covert, operation directed at fomenting and arming a sectarian civil war in Syria.
Last month, the Washington Post reported that the so-called rebels had “begun receiving significantly more and better weapons in recent weeks, an effort paid for by Persian Gulf nations and coordinated in part by the United States.” The Post, in its May 16 article, also stated that US operatives had “expanded contacts with opposition forces to provide the gulf nations with assessments of rebel credibility and command-and-control infrastructure.”
And last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that “the Central Intelligence Agency and State Department—working with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and other allies—are helping the opposition Free Syrian Army develop logistical routes for moving supplies into Syria and providing communications training.”
The result of this operation has been a sharp escalation in the armed violence in Syria, with a spike in the number of Syrian soldiers killed and wounded and a proliferation of terrorist attacks.
The Obama administration’s pretense that it is not arming the Syrian militias for the purpose of toppling the Assad government has been thoroughly exposed. Its claim is based on the fiction that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, none of which would carry out such an operation without Washington’s approval, are doing the arming, and the CIA agents are merely “vetting” the Syrian rebels to assure that weapons do not fall into the wrong hands.”
All Yamin is saying:”the Americans (and their key ally Israel) may see the Alawite based Assad regime as the best option to continue with.”
Fact check:
In Arab summit held after 1982 invasion, Arab regimes, except Syria gave Lebanon a green light to sign the may 17 peace treaty with Israel. Resistance and Lebanese national forces backed by Assad foiled the Plan.
In Arab summit held after Liberation of South Lebanon in May 2000, to sell the Palestinian right of retun (Arab initiative) The resisting President Emil Lahoud, Backed by Bashar, foiled the plan by insisting on adding the ROR to the initiative.
After the invasion of Iraq Bashar refuse to bow and rejected all colin powell demands……
All Yamin is saying:
“Turkey, a predominantly Sunni country could intervene, but it would need some sort of mandate from the Arab and Islamic countries, this would help Turkey to gain leadership of the Islamic world. Concurrently…..If Turkey could achieve peace and stability it would also enhance its position within NATO and Europe.”
BAD NEWS FOR YAMIN, KHALID AMAYERH AND LAURA
To Achieve peace and stability in Syria, and its position within NATO and Europe, Erdugan decided today to test the Syrian air deffence.
At 7:30 GMT,An F-4(SUNNI)Phantom 2 fighter bomber left Malatya airbase. At 8:58GMT, communication was lost “in the southwest of the Hatay province bordering Syria….”
A “deviant” missile reportedly destroyed one,while the other was damaged but managed to flee, according to Al-Mayadeen.
Mossad-connected DEBKAfile provocatively said “Syrian anti air defenses shot the plane down in an ambush calculated to retaliate for the defection of the Syrian Air Force pilot Col. Hassan Maray al-Hamadeh to Jordan a day earlier with his MiG-21 warplane.”
Erdogan called for a crisis meeting in Ankara. He, after getting the Syrian harsh message, said he is still not “sure” if the plane crashed or was shot down…. Syria had offered a “very serious” apology for the crash… Syrian and Turkish coastal guards are allegedly cooperating to recover the wreckage.
http://www.rt.com/news/turkish-plane-erdogan-statement-543/
“A Syrian military spokesman said an unidentified aerial object violated the country’s airspace and was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery, hitting it one kilometer off the coast of the country, Syrian state news agency SANA reported.
The plane turned out to be a Turkish fighter jet, and was dealt with in accordance with Syrian law, the spokesman added.
He also stated that Turkey and Syria had started a joint coordinated naval rescue operation.
The jet was unlikely to be carrying out a simple reconnaissance mission, but was probably a provocative probe to test the Syrian security initiative and ability to protect its borders, believes author and academic Colin S. Cavell. Being a NATO member, Turkey can count on the alliance’s support if it comes under attack, he says.
“The F-4 Phantom is utilized and supplied by the US to Turkey, and of course the United States and Turkey can claim that Syria has attacked it,” Cavell told RT. “Of course that would be the ruse they will utilize if they wanted NATO to further intervene. But I don’t think they are going to call on NATO right now.”
turkey’s largest trading partner is russia. keep that in mind.
if turkey continues escalating israel’s war against syria, do they really think they will remain a viable country? are they that stupid? after afghanistan, iraq, libya? the zionazis are running the kurd terrorism against turkey. are they short-sighted enough to think if they helped hand over syria to the zionazis, this zionazi attack on turkey will stop? do they really think there is such a thing as an israeli-free eu or usa they can ally with? jews don’t forget insubordination, especially zionist jews. turkey is now a political mel gibson to the zionazis. no matter what they do, they’ll never be able to go back to the time that existed before they criticised massa.
they should break completely. if they want to survive as a country, they have no choice.
“turkey is now a political mel gibson to the zionazis. no matter what they do, they’ll never be able to go back to the time that existed before they criticised massa”.
Excellent characterization of Turkey-Israel rapport.
“they should break completely. if they want to survive as a country, they have no choice.”
I remember reading that the Turkish military are as zionist-controlled as the US, if not more, and it goes back all the way to the Young Turks revolt. They (the military) claim to be the bullwark of “democracy” against fundamentalism. Erdogan is probably walking on a tight rope.
Turkey is already being punished by the dirty oil-grabbing game Israel is playing with broken down and useless Greece.
and then there were two…
” two foreign jets, allegedly Turkish, have been detected in the skies over the Syrian Mediterranean port of Latakia, but we’ve been receiving conflicting reports on exactly what happened to them. Some reports claim that one of the jets was indeed shot down, while others report that one of the airplanes just made an emergency landing. The second plane is thought to have escaped.”
Looks like the Turks have volunteered to play with matches so USrael can burn down the house saying NATO must defend Turkey
“and then there were two…”
it’s interesting the aircraft were f4 phantoms, an aircraft obsolete 20 years ago. the turks have more modern aircraft that are less vulnerable. the use of these dinosaurs seems to indicate they were targets intentionally used to gather info on syrian aa defenses and detection ability. they could also be recon variants of this aircraft, but still, it is like chucking a fokker triplane into a ww2 setting. the mission was intended to draw fire.