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Dr. Rath & Gunter Grass – German revolution?

Dr. Rath’s Call to the people of Germany and Europe, Berlin 13-3-2012

Personally I found this video captivating. I can see a clear connection between what Dr Rath is saying and what Gunter Grass is saying.

He makes some very strong points as far as I could discern…

  • He clearly identifies the cartels in control.
  • He calls for the end of euro.
  • He calls for reform of politics.
  • He call for more compassion
  • less globalization
  • Complete rejection of war mongering

Are ethical Germans rising up to confront tyranny? It seems that way to me. What do you think?

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42 Responses to Dr. Rath & Gunter Grass – German revolution?

  1. Paul Eisen April 15, 2012 at 9:31 am #

    As I said, I only watched about half of this but it seemed to me that it rather ignored the enthusiasm so many German had for National Socialism.

    Some Jewish Marxists have insisted to me that this was only because it was a police state and the population had little choice, but that has never really rung true for me.

    Anyway, if Rath does ignore this then it seems to me to seriously diminish the importance of what he’s saying – and one could perhaps say that it’s just more of the same old deceit and denial about this piece of history..

    • Roy Bard April 15, 2012 at 10:15 am #

      Have you come across Goetz Aly and his theory for the widespread support of Germans for the National Socialists?

      He argues that Hitler gave the German people financial incentives, funded in part by government credit and also to a large extent by plunder. And suggests that for as long as populations are benefiting from financial bonanzas they are likely to care little where the new money comes from.

      He also claims that Germans are beginning to view the whole issue more objectively and the article claims that his book “may mark the beginning of a new level of Holocaust discourse.”

      These days, making use of an agile word and mind flip, Germans have begun to insist that they — like the rest of Europe — were also liberated on May 8, 1945. They say it marks the day they and their children were freed from Nazi oppression. Still, in 1945, says Aly, Germans didn’t think they were being liberated. “They had to be liberated from themselves,” he says. “That’s the problem.”

      • Jonathon Blakeley April 15, 2012 at 10:36 am #

        I agree Roy, and I suspect this is what is happening. Germans are waking up and attempting to free themselves and the rest of us from the clutches of the Brussel’s PolitBuro.

      • Paul Eisen April 15, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

        Roy,

        Your quote about German being liberated from themselves in 1945 reminds me of a young German woman who said to me that “We needed Dresden”

      • solar April 16, 2012 at 12:10 am #

        ‘Germans have begun to insist that they — like the rest of Europe — were also liberated on May 8, 1945.’

        Yes, it must have been seventeen millions from some other Germany who voted for Hitler, no?

      • who_me April 17, 2012 at 4:45 am #

        Roy Bard

        “He argues that Hitler gave the German people financial incentives, funded in part by government credit and also to a large extent by plunder. And suggests that for as long as populations are benefiting from financial bonanzas they are likely to care little where the new money comes from.”

        look at the usa or israel today. same thing. they thought they benefited from the wars. they want more of them. in the usa, now that is is obvious these wars for israel are hurting the american economy, one sees americans wanting to stop them. but while the wars went on earlier, and the zionists media was still able to bamboozle the sheep it was good for them, they loved it. the israelis don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves, they don’t care how many suffer and die to pay for their joyride.

        what happened in germany during nazi times was nothing unique. it was not all that unusual if one looks at past history. due to technological advances, they were more “effective” in the sense they peaked and ebbed faster, but they were preceded by many others who based their societies upon similar “principles”.

        unfortunately, the society we are being pushed into accepting is the same thing, as well. greed is god, get yours, screw everybody else, respect nothing, but fear and follow “authority”. in other words, bend over and spread those cheeks when the boss is around, otherwise, force somebody weaker to do it for you.

        you dehumanise a society to the point where they no longer view others as equals, then the nazi germanys, the americas and the israels prosper and greed and whatever it takes to make it happen, does.

    • Roy Bard April 15, 2012 at 11:26 am #

      “Some Jewish Marxists have insisted to me that this was only because it was a police state and the population had little choice, but that has never really rung true for me.”

      Is it not possible that it could be partly that and partly that they were benefitting materially from National Socialism (ala Goetz Aly)?

      When I think of South Africa under Apartheid, by far the majority of whites were supporters of the system – and of course were doing fairly well materially under it. Those who did make a stand against Apartheid were likely to find themselves ‘enjoying’ the attention of the security police. I am sure this deterred many liberals from voicing opposition to the system.

      Nowadays it is difficult to find whites who say they supported Apartheid…..

      • Paul Eisen April 15, 2012 at 5:28 pm #

        Yes but I wonder whether Germans supported Hitler for reasons other than material prosperity.

        Palestinians could well have made a deal which would have improved their material conditions – but they didn’t.

        • Roy Bard April 15, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

          “Yes but I wonder whether Germans supported Hitler for reasons other than material prosperity.”

          I’m sure there were other reasons including the restoration of German dignity after Versailles.

          “Palestinians could well have made a deal which would have improved their material conditions – but they didn’t.”

          I’m not at all convinced that there was any deal on offer.

          I wonder if in 70 years time people will be asking why we supported Blair…..

          • Paul Eisen April 15, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

            I think everything people have said is true but I also think that Hitler spoke to many Germans in a particular way and affected them deeply. These things do happen in history and are often hard to explain in the usual political, social and economic terms.

  2. Jonathon Blakeley April 15, 2012 at 10:42 am #

    So what if Germans supported the NAZIs, that was then and this is now. Rath and Gunter are rejecting all of that Supremacist ideology, that is what is so important about this Video and Gunter’s poem. They seem to be part of a campaign of change, change in German culture based on Truth Justice and Peace.

    • Somoe April 15, 2012 at 10:54 am #

      I totally agree, one cannot continue to vilify a people for the past, over which they had little control. What Dr Rath seems to saying is that now action must be taken to stop this evil being perpetuated and i for one am convinced of his authenticity. It is up to all of us as responsible, ethical, intelligent and compassionate humans to make a stand and break the silence that allows injustice to occur.

  3. Chester April 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    If you want an honest assessment of the level of support for the Nazi regime then you should read Detlev Peukert, “Inside Nazi Germany : Conformity, Opposition and Racism in Everyday Life”.

    It is ridiculous to say “there was widespread support”. There were varying degrees of attitudes to the regime from fanatical support to outright and active opposition, with the other 80-90% of the population occupying the grey area in between ranging from passive or opportunistic support to resigned acceptance. The majority of Germans moaned (at least in private) about political bigwigs, bureaucracy, the haves and have-nots, the profiteers etc just the same as the British or French moaned about their own poliical leadership.

    The far more interesting question is who supported the Nazis and why and you are not going to answer that question unless you have a class analysis.

    “Some Jewish Marxists have insisted to me that this was only because it was a police state and the population had little choice, but that has never really rung true for me.”

    Marxism (and in fact all radical politics) has been contaminated by identity politics. Sounds to me like they are more jewish than they are marxist.

    • Paul Eisen April 15, 2012 at 5:34 pm #

      People seem to be saying that German support for National Socialism was either fanatical’, ‘passive’, ‘opportunistic’ or ‘resigned’.

      It all seems very standard post-Holocaust stuff to me.

    • searching April 15, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

      any active German Resistance against Nazi’s during the war was destroyed.
      For those, who haven’t heard of Sophie Scholl and the White Rose Movement ,there are some vidoes for a brief catch up.
      There is also a movie “The White Rose “played on you tube for those who are interested.
      Worth seeing
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJXLZdnhCI&feature=related
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkoJgPkFoDs

      • searching April 15, 2012 at 8:22 pm #

        Her last words, before she was murdered /executed
        ( and she was so young) were:
        “Such a fine, sunny day, and I have to go,
        but what does my death matter,
        it through us, thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?”.
        What an incredible act of bravery , depth and sacrifice.

    • who_me April 17, 2012 at 4:53 am #

      Chester

      “Marxism (and in fact all radical politics) has been contaminated by identity politics. Sounds to me like they are more jewish than they are marxist.”

      the identity politics corrupt it. a lot of what is now thought of as left is just some loud closet zios pushing the status quo, or worse.

  4. searching April 15, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    Communism has proven itself, in the course of history of 20 century to be a totalitarian, barbaric monster, which swalowed about 130-180 millions of innocent human beings.
    The Marxist’s ideology had a chance to veryfiy itself in the reality. With horrible, devastating results.
    Read Malcolm Muggeridge’s “Winter in Moscow ” to get some idea.

    • Chester April 15, 2012 at 4:36 pm #

      If you are referring to the regimes of Russia, China etc the function of “communism” was to achieve the same accumulation of capital in the course of a few years as was achieved over 300 years or so in western capitalist societies.

      So yes, of course it was brutal. On the other hand, so too was western capitalism and colonialism, with the forced proletarianization of the peasantry e.g. through enclosure, slavery, the destruction of most of the indigenous peoples of the Americas and Australia, colonial wars such as the opium wars, the genocides in the Congo and elsewhere in Africa etc etc etc.

      The Communist regimes used marxism as an ideology against the proletariat. In other words, it turned marxism on its head.

      This should be obvious to anyone looking at China today, a country where exploitation of the working class by a millionaire/billionaire is as extreme as anywhere else on the planet.

      We need a new approach to politics that can see beyond rival ideologies such as “communism” and neo-liberalism and islamism. They are all instruments of mystification.

      • who_me April 17, 2012 at 5:20 am #

        Chester

        well said. the “communists” were not marxists, they were not even left wing. orwell referred to the ussr in the late 30′s as “right wing communists” to differentiate between what was called left, socialist, communist by the fascists and what was actually those. a more honest label for those “right wing communists” would be state capitalist, as many now refer to those governments as. these were a rival capitalist block.

        “which swalowed about 130-180 millions of innocent human beings.” from searching

        these numbers get inflated by about 10 million a year now. :) apparently everybody who died in these “communist” countries died because the government killed them. i’m not sure what is a worse form of propaganda: that fron zionist jews, or right wing christians (usually catholics)? two sides of the same coin, if one were to ask me.

        right now, at least 10 million people die every year due to the effects of starvation. this is almost totally the fault of western capitalism. this means that in this century alone, 120 million innocent people died because of capitalism. That’s just the last 12 years and this rubbish has been going on for centuries. none of the “anti-commies” ever mention this fact. it’s always the rival’s atrocities they dwell on. i wonder why? it couldn’t be because it was “our team” causing the misery, not the rival team? very much like the israeli trolling emphasizing palestinian terrorism and ignoring israeli terrorism.

        quoting biased right wing propaganda and quoting zionist propaganda is, ultimately, the same thing, the same manipulation of reality to fit the same warped fascist world view and the source is always the same. the christian right and the zionist whatever are the same thing. this is why they are allies.

        • who_me April 17, 2012 at 5:39 am #

          “very much like the israeli trolling emphasizing palestinian terrorism and ignoring israeli terrorism.”

          very much like the israeli trolling emphasizing palestinian terrorism and ignoring THE MUCH GREATER AMOUNT OF israeli terrorism.

        • searching April 17, 2012 at 12:15 pm #

          You seem to be very naive.
          If facts don’t fit into you ideology , then ….to bad for facts???
          How can I disscus that??
          You are also giving the very same excuse that pro-israeli leaders give to defend their atrocities…
          “But.. other countries also mistreat minorities or other ethnic/racial groups ,that’s why ,what we are doing is nothing so special, so bad”.
          Yours is more like: “but, but western powers casued this and that, so back off of the fact that comunism killed over 100 millions of people, hurt more ,and made milions of other people more than miserable”.
          If the capitalism was so bad, why then many people tried to escape of the “communistc paradise”, and those who managed to do so were relieved that they can finially breathe the fresh breath of freedom??
          Of course, I am talking about western capitalism from about 10 years ago. At least.
          Now, what we see in majority of so called western countries is a parody of the freedom. We are approaching a major dictatorship/tyrany.
          That’s what happens when people take their freedom and rights as a eternally given, for granted, and happily lull themselves to sleep, while MSMedial propaganda and cheap, sleazy entertainment paralises further any leftover and still functioning brain cells.

          • who_me April 18, 2012 at 6:30 am #

            searching “You seem to be very naive.”

            hey you’re the right wing fundy christian nut. i notice you don’t link your sources. :D

          • searching April 18, 2012 at 11:50 am #

            So your answer to this huge tragedy of our times is to categorize me into some kind of “right wind fundy christian nut”??
            Now you are happy?? It made your day???
            This is how you want to operate in you life??
            Brushing the problem away, and focus on glueing labels on somebody’s back just beacuse their opinion differs than yours?
            AS i said abortion is one the major plans of the power elite.
            By supporting it, you SUPPOR the very same power that you think you are against it. BUt….this requires some thinking skills and understanding.
            Just becasue an abortion is accepted and legalized it does not meant it is ok.
            Many people accepted it becasue it gives them a chance of having a cookie and eat it at the same time.
            Abortion IS a murder and there is no other,better word to explain it.
            Whether you like ot not.

  5. searching April 15, 2012 at 1:09 pm #

    Dr Rath is one of those decent, honest,brave, smart individuals, who have tha courage to explore things that are big no,no.
    We were fed at schools a politically corrected version of who and why started war 1 and war 2.
    He dug deeper and his findings are astonishing. Those who are behind the curtains steered the world’s politics then , and still do it now.
    People ,as a group, public, are very naive, ignorant, indifferent, easy to steer, easy to buy nice yet empty promises.
    That’s why they need good, honest, courageous ,decent leaders. We have now quite the opposite.
    Those “democratically” chosen leaders answer not to the people, but to those, who are behind the curtains ,and they take care of their business the most. This is a grim reality , but not too many people want to even know about it, let alone do something with it.

  6. searching April 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm #

    One more thing.
    G Grass in his poem warned about the glooming possiblity of 3 WW. Dr Rath is telling why and who wants to benefit from this war.
    He very clearly mentions a desire of certain groups to form the World Government.
    This desire and plan for it was done many , many years ago. Now, we are at the final stage of it. WW3 is needed for those demonical powers to achieve this goal. That’s why they push for it so much. And , unfortunaltey, it looks like the may filfill their wish.
    Majority of people are still sleeping and does not care for what is going on. They think that somehow, by a sort of miracle the world will save itself and everything will go back to good, ol’ times. It WON’t.
    God/history did not save millions of innocent people during WW1/WW2/communistic opressions etc, why would we be saved??
    Are we special?? Are we chosen??
    If so , in a way ,God is more mad at us than at other generations. We willingly, cheerfully kicked God from our lives. We chose his enemy as our everday guide. And now having this God-less world, of our own creation, we want God to save us?? Why?? Are we scared of what we see, of who we became??
    We ,as a humanity ,killled about half billion to a billion of unborn humans within the last 30-40 years. It’s a terrible crime to humanity by humanity. I worry about our nearest future although I still cling to this tiny bit of hope. What else is left???

    • Jonathon Blakeley April 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm #

      Brilliant thanks again

      • searching April 17, 2012 at 1:25 am #

        I am sorry. I gave you all the wrong answer. it looks like the number of aborted children is actually much higher, about 1 billion and a half since 1973, ( probably much more , China with its one-child-only policy is not revealing the exact statistic).
        1.5 billions of human beings being thrown on the grabage, made into creams, cooked as a meal (yes ,it is practised in China), used in a flavor research (by pepsi cola), used in the immunizations etc.
        That’s what we became.
        We argue over millions of killed throughout the 20 century,while we keep the blind eye on the billions that perished within the last 30-40 years. But those billions were “legaly” killed.
        And they were killed mostly out of convience and selfishness, and total lack of responsibility.
        In the Nuremburg Trials euthanasia was severly condemned as a crime against humanity, 30-40 years later euthanasia was legally accepted in some of the western countries as a “humanly ” way out.
        What has became of us. What kind of road did we take??

        • who_me April 17, 2012 at 5:31 am #

          searching

          “I am sorry. I gave you all the wrong answer. it looks like the number of aborted children is actually much higher, about 1 billion and a half since 1973, ( probably much more , China with its one-child-only policy is not revealing the exact statistic).
          1.5 billions of human beings being thrown on the grabage, made into creams, cooked as a meal (yes ,it is practised in China), used in a flavor research (by pepsi cola), used in the immunizations etc.
          That’s what we became.”

          what christian fundy freakshow pamphlet did you get that from? i’d like to see you back that up with some facts. :)

          • searching April 17, 2012 at 11:52 am #

            I know my facts.
            If you don’t believe, go and check it for yourself. I am not going to do the homework for everybody.
            What I actually gave/described was an overrall picture of one the biggest crime that our so-called ,civilisation, commits willingly and LEGALLY against the most fragile, vulnerable, innocent human beings.
            You do not have to be snotty about it.
            Just think for a moment if you may.
            It looks like you are against one big machine of power and destruction ,but at the same you support another (out of convience?) big machine of a mass human destruction.
            But the other machine is made legal ,and got a silent approval ,( and an activeI know my facts. If you don’t believe go and check it for yourself. I am not going to do the homework for everybody.
            What I actually gave/described was an overrall picture of one the biggest crime that our so-called ,civilisation, commits willingly and LEGALLY against the most fragile, vulnerable, innocent human beings.
            You do not have to be snotty about it.
            Just think for a moment if you may.
            It looks like you are against one big machine of power and destruction ,but at the same you support another (out of convience?) big machine of a mss destruction.
            But the other machine is made legal ,and got a silent approval ,( and an active participation) of a brainwashed/selfish massess, so in your mind it makes it OK???
            B.T.W, the other machine is part of the plan of the first machine that you oppose so much. They very actively promote and support abortion financially, (who owns Planned Parenthood?), so in a way , by supporting an abortion ,you support the very same power that you, in your mind ,oppose so much.
            So…. that’s the very picture of you “opposition” my confused friend.

          • searching April 17, 2012 at 11:59 am #

            I will try again, the same answer without the extra copy……………
            I know my facts. If you don’t believe go and check it for yourself. I am not going to do the homework for everybody.
            What I actually gave/described was an overrall picture of one the biggest crime that our so-called ,civilisation, commits willingly and LEGALLY against the most fragile, vulnerable, innocent human beings.
            You do not have to be snotty about it.
            Just think for a moment if you may.
            It looks like you are against one big machine of power and destruction ,but at the same you support another (out of convience?) big machine of a mass destruction.
            But the other machine is made legal ,and got a silent approval ,( and an active participation) of a brainwashed/selfish massess, so in your mind it makes it OK???
            B.T.W, the other machine is part of the plan of the first machine that you oppose so much. They very actively promote and support abortion financially, (who owns Planned Parenthood?), so in a way , by supporting an abortion ,you support the very same power that you, in your mind ,oppose so much.
            So…. that’s the very picture of you “opposition” my confused friend.

          • who_me April 18, 2012 at 6:34 am #

            searching

            “I know my facts.”

            sure you do. i noticed you didn’t post a source to “your facts”. are you ashamed of your source, or just unable to scan the church pamphlets? :D

          • searching April 17, 2012 at 12:30 pm #

            here is a recently made ,beautiful sculpture, made by a Czech artist that shows the tragedy of abortion.
            I consider an abortion one of the biggest tragedies of our times. Even bigger due to the fact that it’s so widely accepted and tolerated by many.
            http://www.lifesitenews.com/images/sized/images/news/sculpture2-580×423.jpg

          • searching April 18, 2012 at 11:38 am #

            Who me.
            I ain’t walking google wikipedia.
            If you are SERIOUSLY interested go and search for yourself. I think you know how to do it???
            I do not think you are interested in doing it anyway. You alredy know EVERYTHIN and your comment goes as far as calling somebody names, just because you happened to have a different opinion on the subject. Lovely.

          • searching April 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

            and here a few quotes from your lovely abortion gurus.
            “Here is a direct quote from Mr. Hitler himself:

            “In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics.”

            Note the need to corrupt the doctor’s medical ethics.
            His famous doctor Mengele (The “Angel of Death” at Auschwitz) was an abortion pioneer after the war in Argentina, and escaped capture and execution based on the Geneva and Helsinki accords, which forbid abortion but have sadly been torn apart in some countries today in favor of abortion on demand.

            Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, expressed a similar objective about eliminating US colored people in a letter she wrote only months after Hitler’s invasion of Poland: “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

          • searching April 18, 2012 at 4:38 pm #

            What Hitler did not accomplish by force, the proper, liberal propaganda achieved ,over the years, by the MSMEdia and other channels.
            People tend to think that if they accept, permit and allow One Evil to grow,flourish , then for some strange reason, the Evil will stop right there.
            The very nature of the Evil is that it will NOT stop. It wants to expand and devour whatever is right , beautiful, good and just.
            We are witnessing the humongous power of Evil that is waitng to devour us all.
            There is always a reason/cause of evertyhing. The universe is pretty logical. We let happily the Evil grow , now we scared, because it may turn against us.

          • who_me April 21, 2012 at 3:10 am #

            still no sources for your vatican
            approved “facts”, searching. are you ashamed of where your propaganda comes form? or embarrassed?

  7. ariadna April 15, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

    I find what he has to say about corporatism inevitably leading to tyranny extremely important to be widely discussed in Germany and everywhere.
    The fact that he is zeroing in on the pharma and chemical industry corporations is also very important nowadays when it is clear that the huge multinational agribusiness and chemical corporation (Monsanto and Dupont come to mind) have brought famine to Indian farmers (and not only tot them), destroyed individual farmers in the US and elsewhere, and are pushing GM crops, quashing reports of their noxious effects on other crops and on human health.
    Hitler may have been the puppet of corporations initially but if so the puppet came to life and acquired a totally independent, horrific will power of its own, which Dr Rath does not mention (or perhaps think). It is in fact entirely common for the Devil to make friends with another Devil and end up being dominated by the one he thought opportune at a given moment.
    I also thought it useful for him to draw attention to the fact that disease and not health is the business that makes big bucks for the pharma corporations.

  8. snipper April 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm #

    That was certainly an interesting speech, the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

  9. etominusipi April 15, 2012 at 5:21 pm #

    it seemed to me a very fine, honest speech, pronouncing the truths we all acknowledge with a healthy tone of optimism. Dr Rath’s emphasis on the culpability of big pharma in particular,is noteworthy, as this head of the hydra occupies a lesser place in our British pandemonium. however, Germany was in the forefront of both theoretical and industrial chemistry, and the giant chemical firm I.G.Farben has been well-mentioned in Third Reich dispatches, perhaps less often as a funding conduit between Wall Street and the National Socialist Party.

  10. Jonathon Blakeley April 15, 2012 at 5:54 pm #

    Big thanks to “searching” for recommending this and other Dr Rath videos. I got optimisitically excited watching Dr Rath, Maybe there is another way out of this mess. I am inspired and can’t wait to see what the Germans do next.

    • searching April 15, 2012 at 8:09 pm #

      You are welcome, Jonathon.
      I think it is very important to share valid, truthful information while we still can.
      It is sometimes hard to figure out what is valid what is not, but since MSMedia mostly supply manipulated propaganda, it’s up to us ,ordinary people ,to figure out what is really going on.
      I dream of the day that people will ban/boycott MSMedia on the mass scale.
      I know it won’t happen :(

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