Despite all odds, the Palestinian cause is gaining
by Khalid Amayreh
Saturday, July 21st, 2012
Source: The Palestinian Information center
[ 21/07/2012 - 12:39 PM ]
By Khalid Amayreh in occupied Palestine
For many decades, secular and quasi-atheistic regimes in the Arab world used the Palestinian cause to consolidate their tyrannical stranglehold on their countries and people. The net result was a gigantic fiasco for the entire Umma in every conceivable field. The indescribably corrupt regimes tormented and terrorized their own citizens, so much so, that the crème de le crème of their societies were forced to emigrate to the West or other countries, fleeing police state terror and repression.
A few years ago, a citizen of a key Arab capital in the Mashriq (the Asian part of the Arab world) intimated to this writer that his countrymen would even welcome the Israeli army as liberators in light of the reign of tyranny and terror they were facing at the hands of their regime.
“The terror, repression and corruption permeating through the country defies linguistic description,” he told me.
I didn’t publish his remarks then, fearing the Israeli hasbara machine would hasten to exploit the unusual temerity of the remarks for propaganda purposes.
Well, we can’t conceal the truth forever. In the final analysis, these manifestly criminal regimes have decidedly more harm than Israel. Yes, Israel is a racist and criminal enemy, no doubt about this. However, the ignorant and evil regimes which in the name of Arabism and Palestine were effectively repressing, murdering and humiliating their own people were actually a greater and harsher enemy to the people in comparison to Israel.
An enemy is an enemy and one knows what to expect from one’s enemy. However “national” regimes and governments are supposed to serve and protect the people, create prosperity and welfare as well as maintain citizens’ dignity and human rights and civil liberties.
But far from doing their minimal duties in this regard, the regimes smashed human rights, decapitated civil liberties, and terrorized ordinary citizens in ways indescribable. Even the most nefarious enemy imagined wouldn’t have caused that much dilapidation in society.
Therefore, the disintegration of the erstwhile Arab regimes is not and must not be viewed as a negative development for the Palestinian cause. The opposite is true. Yes, maybe the Palestinian cause is losing some media concentration these days as TV viewers are preoccupied with more dramatic events elsewhere. But this is a temporary phenomenon that will disappear soon.
The important thing is that Palestinians should never bid on police-state juntas, even if their rhetoric filled the ether, to liberate Palestine and defeat Israel. These are intrinsically terrorist and bankrupt regimes that nothing good may come from. In the Holy Quran, it is stated that (إن الله لا يصلح عمل المفسدين) meaning “Allah will not make the deeds of evil people prosper.”
Interestingly, some of these evil people are now murdering Palestinians, while having the Chutzpah to claim that they are doing the killing for the sake of Palestine!!!
In the early sixties, Ibrahim Machos, one of the leaders of the Baath party in Syria wrote “that Allah, religion, and morality are mummies in the museum of history.” We saw how his words manifested themselves on the 5th of June, 1967.
Today, we are witnessing the deepening of the Arab Spring. And, yes, the pangs of labor could be heard from many quarters. But that is quite natural as no one in his or her right mind had expected the stagnation and degeneration that hovered over the Arab world since before the downfall of the Ottoman state to disappear in a few months or even a few years.
But the train of freedom has already left the station and is traveling on the right track and will reach the correct destination sooner or later.
We will hear and actually we are hearing all kinds of rumors, disinformation, and lies intended to confuse us and derail the train of freedom. After all, the enemies from inside and outside will not just give up and raise the white flag so prematurely. We will be called names, we will be condemned and vilified. We will even be lumped with the Zionists, the Americans, and what have you, so that our image would be tarnished and besmirched.
But we shouldn’t pay too much attention to these barking dogs and the caravan must keep going.
One of the most crippling handicaps that caused the Palestinian cause an irreparable damage was that the very people who were supposed to lend the Palestinians a helping hand against Israeli criminality needed help themselves to deliver them from the clutches of their terrorist regimes.
Hence, the Palestinian cause was betrayed twice, first, knowingly by the tyrannical regimes, and second unknowingly by the thoroughly tormented and repressed masses for which Palestine became the 100th item on their agenda, thanks to unrelenting repression and persecution meted out to them by the regimes.
Hence we shouldn’t be dithering about the looming demise of some Arab regimes which excelled in making loud but mendacious voices about Palestine, Zionism and imperialism while in truth they were harboring dubious if not criminal agendas against the entire Umma.
In the final analysis, only free people can liberate Palestine from the claws of Zionism. Dictators, who are so repressive of their own people, will not help the Palestinians in any strategic manner. The opposite is true.
Charity, after all, begins at home and if a certain regime behaves criminally towards its own citizens, it shouldn’t be expected to behave charitably towards others.
I have no doubt that the Palestinian cause is on the right historical track. The emancipation of Arabs and Muslims from the forces of dictatorship, tyranny and fascism is the first and indispensable step toward the creation of a genuine Arab Islamist force that would champion the ultimate task of liberating Palestine and defeating Zionism.
This is not going to be an easy task. But at the very least, for the first time in recent history, the Umma is putting its feet on the right track
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Blake
July 22, 2012 at 10:54 am
Almost 65 yrs on and HOW many folk know about the real history of the heist of Palestine? A lie is only as good as it’s last lie and the truth is on the side of the oppressed downtrodden Palestinians.
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 11:22 am
KA: “the regimes smashed human rights, decapitated civil liberties, and terrorized ordinary citizens in ways indescribable. Even the most nefarious enemy imagined wouldn’t have caused that much dilapidation in society.”
That sounds like a good description of how Israel has treated the Palestinians, during the slow genocide that has been taking place for over 6 decades.
And yet as Mimi Al Laham (aka “Syrian Girl”) and Lizzie Phelan make clear, the opposition in Syria are making overtures towards Israel.
KA: “In the final analysis, only free people can liberate Palestine from the claws of Zionism. Dictators, who are so repressive of their own people, will not help the Palestinians in any strategic manner. The opposite is true.”
It seems to me to a complete fallacy that people can be free under any national state whilst those states are run by neo-liberal regimes dominated by the USA.
The article therefore doesn’t really back up its claim that the Palestinian cause is gaining.
Perhaps Morsi will now respect the wishes of the majority of ‘FREE’ Egyptian people and withdraw the Egyptian state from its role as assistant jailer of the Gazans. But somehow I doubt it…….
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Roy the people of Egypt are not free they only had half a revolution, they have to get rid of or weaken the military, so either another revolution where they take on the military or they spend years weakening them step by step like Erdogan has had to do in Turkey. The judiciary seem to be fully on board with the military, also like Turkey. Morsi doesn’t have a government, the military disolved it, the judiciary ruled twice to uphold that decision. Tantawi the man who is really in charge said a few days ago that no group will dominate Egyptian politics. So Mubarak has gone but what has changed? What do you realisitcally expect Morsi to do on his own? At least Libya got rid of the whole system because there was no system so they can start from scratch but Egypt is still under the military and who pays for them? Not that they don’t have a massive business empire of their own but 2 billion a year from the USA keeps them in place. I don’t know if you have had much contact with Egyptian generals yourself but I have an a more unpleasant group of people you are unlikely to meet. You also make an error in saying the people will not be free under a western liberal government, it is not the government or the M.B. in Egypt that is pro western and liberal no it is the military.
oh and by the way I wouldn’t trust anything that a woman called “Mimi the Meat” says aka Syria Girl. There is a massive propaganda war going on and both sides are spreading misinformation.
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 2:03 pm
LS: “At least Libya got rid of the whole system because there was no system so they can start from scratch”
according to Derek Ford:
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Not what I hear from Libyan people who are living there. If the situation was as described how come they just had free fair and peaceful elections? Gaddafi was a ruthless nutter who was happy to use torture and kill people, hard to imagine how you or anyone would support someone like that, ditto Assad, Mubarak, Ben Ali, Salah, Al Saud etc
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I can only conclude that either Nasser al-Hawary is a liar, or the group of Libyans you know aren’t representative of all Libyans – that they aren’t against torture per se – just against torture by their political opponents….
MSF certainly agreed with him that torture was part and parcel of the new Libya.
ibid
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm
The Libyans have a very tribal culture and they do tend to fight a lot and try to sort disputes themselves probably due to never having had a system to help them. It was a crazy place before so it’s not going to change overnight, I have seen men fighting there on the street every day, it seems to be normal for them and gun shots flying down the streets so that everyone runs inside and the shutters go down on the business. I am not joking parts of Libya are like the wild west and you can’t change that over night, it will take years of putting in place systems that work for the people. Before everything was done by knowing the person closest to Gaddafi. By the way it’s a massive place with hours and hours of empty desert between say Tripoli and Tabrouk, it has a low population so I daresay enforcing law and order will be a mammoth task. I find it so odd that anyone who is remotely concerned about human rights and justice would hark back to the Gaddafi days or support such as the other Arab leaders.
By the way just to be on a more positive note, Libya has some of the most amazing Roman sites I have ever seen. Last time I travelled through I visited Sabratha and Leptis Magna to name two of the most spectacular. Since Libya hasn’t ever had tourism these sites have been left pretty much alone, they are really fantastic the size of them is amazing. Well worth a visit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabratha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptis_Magna
Daniel Mabsout
July 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Thank you for the person called Khalid whose generosity made him communicate to us what he has kept secret for years for our sake , We woud have prefered he kept quiet and kept these fake information to himself rather than provide the US and Israel with the pretexts to intervene . Such misinformation should not be allowed to circulate anywhere and definitely not here . The Arabs do not prefer Israel and the author can talk about himself if he wants but should not be allowed to generalize . He is no doubt a special instance and the only Arabs who adopt this speech are the ones that are benefiting somehow from the gulf countries or from Israel
Daniel Mabsout
July 22, 2012 at 4:10 pm
As for Miss Laura who calls the invasion of Libya on behalf of NATO liberation and the slaughters of Libyans and blacks freedom why doesn’t she call the occupation of Palestine by Israelis liberation as well? This would have solved the problem or she thinks Bernard Henry Levy a Muslim convert working for the Umma? Who knows he might have converted secretely like so many..
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm
You spend a lot of time writing about me, I am flattered by all the attention.
Daniel Mabsout
July 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm
it is not my intention to flatter you , on the contrary i want to call attention on the mischieveous information you are trying to pass , i have been across many people like you who appear as supporting the Palestinian cause but are actually working against it by sowing sectarianism in the heart of the Umma and disseminating misinformation that they get from unreliable sources that seem more like Intelligence propaganda rather than the reality we are experiencing on the ground. I am a Christian i never heard you praise the people who defeated Israel and liberated South Lebanon . This sounds strange on behalf of the Palestinian cause supporter you claim to be . You and the person called Khalid seem to belong to a different breed , you sound more like aliens who experience things differently than other humans.You cannot be with NATO and With Palestine at the same time . NATO and Palestine are two ndifferent things if you know what i mean. One does not get liberated through occupation.
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I am sure it doesn’t go unnoticed that you regularly come here to denigrate myself and my opinions and also to write articles or comments about myself and K.A. the two sunni members of deLiberation.
Who or what is being exposed here is a matter of opinion.
who_me
July 22, 2012 at 8:46 pm
“comments about myself and K.A. the two sunni members of deLiberation.”
with the unspoken understanding that criticism of your (plural) views is somehow a prejudice against sunnis and is based upon you being sunni. in other words, the same tactic one sees ziobots use when non-zionists criticise israeli behaviour and they claim (directly, or by hinting) the criticism stems from anti-semitism towards jews and israel.
Daniel Mabsout
July 22, 2012 at 5:30 pm
it has no significance to others what one’s religion is , what has significance is what one thinks and speaks and does . What difference does it make if you think you’re this and that, if you’re Sunni or Shi’a or Buddhist or Muslim ? For me you are against the Resistance of Hizbullah who defeated Israel and with whom the next battle with Israel will take place ; and you support the NATO intervention in Libya led by Henry Levy this raises many suspicions.
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Daniel Mazbout, I am not and have never been and would never be against Hizbullah resistane to Israel, I am only against Hizbullah’s backing of the criminal regime in Damascus.
Iwas for Nato intervention in Libya, because the alternative would have been a holocaust of the Libyan people by the gangs of Qaddafi.
I suggest you do away with your maniacal obssession with certain variables pertaining to the Arab spring.
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 6:09 pm
KA: “Iwas for Nato intervention in Libya, because the alternative would have been a holocaust of the Libyan people by the gangs of Qaddafi.”
perhaps this is why your and Laura’s cheerleading for the imperialist agenda makes me think of David Aaronovitch and Nick Cohen in the run up to the Iraq war…..
who_me
July 22, 2012 at 6:15 pm
“makes me think of David Aaronovitch and Nick Cohen in the run up to the Iraq war…..”
yup. it’s the same dishonest arguments and type of zionist propaganda.
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Having not grown up in a leftie family a leftie environment or having every found anything in common with any lefties or anything leftist therefore I find mentions of “imperialism” “colonisalism” “mobilising the masses” type talk means nothing to me except empty phrases that do not translate into meaningful action on the ground.
I think you need to be fair and show me where I am supporting an “imperialist” agenda whatever that is. I have consistantly denied that I support a NATO intervention and I have no reason to want non Muslims to be involved at all. The fact that the people of Libya had to call on NATO to save their lives is a shame on the Arab league and all Arabs and Muslims. I also want you to note that Hizbollah were keeping very quiet when it was their sunni brothers being killed by various dictators, I want the people of Syria to get rid of Assad. Also I have to ask you how come you find foreign intervention from Iran and Hizbollah who have both sent soldiers to Syria but you condemn Muslims from Libya and Turkey who are fighting there? The latter are fighting to free their brothers and sisters from oppression and hopefully to establish Islam, the former are not.
who_me
July 22, 2012 at 8:39 pm
“Having not grown up in a leftie family a leftie environment or having every found anything in common with any lefties or anything leftist therefore I find mentions of “imperialism” “colonisalism” “mobilising the masses” type talk means nothing to me except empty phrases that do not translate into meaningful action on the ground.”
i figured you were a tory, laura.
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Laura – I can assure you that my upbringing was anything but “leftie”
This Press TV article looks at the ‘Western Imperialist Agenda:
Khalid is explicit in saying that he supports this kind of intervention – despite the fact that the Western stance on Israel makes it clear that they don’t give a damn about ordinary people in the Middle East (and austerity over here makes it a clear they don’t give about their own ordinary people.)
You say that you oppose Western intervention, but at the same time you are singing along with Camoron and Benji on the evils of Assad. Perhaps its just unfortunate timing but that timing (in the middle of a massive Western propaganda offensive) certainly makes you appear to be a shill for them, although a more discrete one than Khalid.
LS: ” Also I have to ask you how come you find foreign intervention from Iran and Hizbollah who have both sent soldiers to Syria but you condemn Muslims from Libya and Turkey who are fighting there? The latter are fighting to free their brothers and sisters from oppression and hopefully to establish Islam, the former are not.”
Who is that addressed at?
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Press tv is anything but neutral in the Syrian conflict. One of my friends Hasan Ghani resigned months ago because he could not stomach the propaganda after years of working for them and another Roshan states publicly that although he works for Press tv he doesn’t support much of what they broadcast on Syria.
Quoting Press tv on Palestine is fine.
I directed the comment about outside intervention from Iran and Hizbollah to anyone and everyone who keep wittering on about no Imperialist intervention, because that is exactly what Iran and Hizbollah are doing.
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 10:13 pm
“Press tv is anything but neutral in the Syrian conflict.”
Yes – perhaps you’ll notice that what I quoted was in response to your previous request that “I think you need to be fair and show me where I am supporting an “imperialist” agenda whatever that is.”
I thought the article summed up quite well what it was….
Its hardly surprising that Press TV don’t agree with you, Camoron, Khalid and benjy on the question of Syria – none of you are neutral either.
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 10:36 pm
There is so much simplistic thinking on the comments here, if I am for the people of Syria gaining freedom and establishing Islam, it doesn’t mean I am pro Israel, a zionist or that I believe in the banking system. For me Islam is the only criteria and Islam has its own banking and finance system.
Daniel needs to read this
http://edition.presstv.ir/detail.fa/206491.html
US not behind Arab Spring: Nasrallah
What is happening today are genuine national movements, such as in Tunisia and other Arab countries … and were not part of a US project,” Nasrallah said during a wide-ranging interview with Hezbollah’s Al-Manar television Monday evening
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 11:32 pm
You cite that article approvingly Laura. Do you also agree with this?
I have no doubt that the majority of Syrians involved in the uprising genuinely desire freedom. Equally I have no doubt that the situation is being fueled, exploited and manipulated by Western and indeed regional powers.
Just like I do not believe that Libya is on the brink of becoming some kind of utopia (even if it does become some kind of tourist resort),I do not think that Syrian’s are anywhere close to freedom – even if the regime changes it most likely means that the victims will come from different sectors of the population.
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 11:48 pm
I do not agree with that statement because the Syrian people are rising against Assad for the reason of him being a dictator, just as in all Arab lands.
Libya will not be utopia of course. How can it be when they had no system what so ever? Nothing is going to happen over night the people have no system in place and no experience either. I think there will be tribal biff outs for a long time to come.Do we expect them to go from the maddest most disorganised country to a country matching western standards in a day?
Regards it becoming a tourist resort, I really hope not, the one good thing about Gaddafi was that he didn’t promote tourism.I met a couple in a hotel in Tabruq who travelled to Libya as tourist and they had been appointed a full time “guide” by the government. But anyhow, there was no alcohol in Libya (apart from in the Gaddafi family homes) I am confident saying that because our Irish contingent from Derry couldn’t find any which means there really really wasn’t any. I would hate to see either Gaza or Libya prostitute themselves to tourism. I really hated seeing Tunisian men in tourist hotel bars drinking alcohol. I wish Libya Egypt Tunisia etc would become part of the Ummah and unite again and that Islam will rise up.
Do you agree that there should be no revolution or regime change in Bahrain because it means that victims will come from different sectors of the population ?
Roy Bard
July 22, 2012 at 11:58 pm
LS: Do you agree that there should be no revolution or regime change in Bahrain because it means that victims will come from different sectors of the population ?
I don’t see any evidence of America backing that – nor do I know of any armed uprising in Bahrain where the revolutionaries are going around raping, torturing and slaughtering. In fact I haven’t heard of a single Bahraini soldier having his arms and legs amputated, nor of groups of soldiers being mown down in cold blood. Am I reading the wrong news or is America not arming them via Saudi?
who_me
July 22, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Daniel Mabsout
i agree completely. the sunni-shia wrangling is just a divisive ploy these people use.
etominusipi
July 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm
just a textual question:
#KA wrote: (my italics)
interestingly, some of these evil people are now murdering Palestinians, while having the Chutzpah to claim that they are doing the killing for the sake of Palestine!!!
why should the word i have italicised begin with an upper-case letter? in my experience (and i make a lot more typos than average) it is not common to mis-capitalize the first letter of a word by accident.
Ariadna, your skills are required to provide a plausible explanation.
who_me
July 22, 2012 at 6:22 pm
etominusipi
good spot. apparently our self appointed “muslim spokesman” has a very high regard for yiddish and believes words of this dialect should be given a special emphasis that mere english words don’t deserve. sometimes a person’s true feelings come through in their writing in subtle but involuntary ways.
Paul Eisen
July 22, 2012 at 6:32 pm
If I may jump in. Excessive capitalization is quite a trend these days. For example, here on this site it’s very common to capitalise thus: ‘State of Israel’ (Only ‘Israel’ needs a capital) and ‘International Law’ (Neither word needs a capital).
The ‘international law’ example is particularly interesting because I think it’s done for sort of ideological reasons i.e. there’s something very important about international law. Well, there is I’m sure, but it’s still just a couple of ordinary nouns like ‘table’ or ‘website’ (website is another one that often gets the treatment).
In the end, I think the capitalizers will win the day. After all, language is only how people speak and write and, if that’s how people do it, then that’s how its gonna (whoops, sorry) be.
Paul Eisen
July 22, 2012 at 6:34 pm
..and of course the capitalizing of “chutzpah’ I’m thinking is just run-of-the-mill bowing to Jewish power (capital ‘J’, small ‘p’)
fool me once...
July 22, 2012 at 9:28 pm
On the Cross: Easter and the Jews
Paul wrote;
April 8, 2012 at 9:08 am
“I’m afraid deLiberation is riddled with ‘random capitalization’. Actually it’s not usually random (though in Eldon’s case it often is) but some kind of new way of attaching importance to things.
For example “International Law”, which used to be just a simple adjective and noun, now has acquired ‘Proper Noun’ (whoops, I did it!) status.
I reckon this trend is here to stay.”
.
Your last sentence was prophetic.
Paul Eisen
July 22, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Yes, I’m an English teacher (note the small ‘t’) and a kid would say “I writ it.” And I’d say, “You mean ‘You WROTE it’.” and he’d say, “Yeah, that’s right, I writ it.”
So, I predict that in about 10 years (or perhaps less) ‘writ it’ will be an acceptable form.
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Being an English teacher in London must be difficult, do the kids I hear on the streets have a vocab of more than 200 words? Don’t fink so.
Paul Eisen
July 23, 2012 at 7:05 am
Oh, they have many more than 200 words. In fact, they have thousands of rich and expressive words and phrases that you and I have never heard of.
The fact is, it’s a new generation and it’s their world, not ours.
The internet has changed everything. and if the loss of formality and beauty is causing you grief, just remember we had illuminated manuscripts once. They were beautiful too – but they’re gone. Boo-hoo.
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 7:43 pm
It is a sign of moral inconsistenty to invite America to occupy Iraq and to even offer Iraqi girls for the convenience of the marines while at the same time you condemn Nato intervention in Libya.
Today Iraq under the Shiite leadership of Maliki-Sadr-Sistani is virtually an American fiefdon. In Libya, however, there is not a single Nato or American soldier.
Is Shiite treachy kosher?
Daniel Mabsout
July 22, 2012 at 8:46 pm
It seems you will not refrain from passing false information , US invaded Iraq from Kuwait and from the multiple US military bases in Gulf coutries the person who knew and approved of all the plan of invasion was Bandar Bin Sultan who knew all the details of the operation before even Colin Powell , whom are you trying to fool ? those who collaborated were from both sects and from all ethnicities :Arabs and Kurds and those who resisted as well , whom are you trying to fool ? Is it yourself ? If i were you i will cancel this post and stop this nonsense and stop fooling yourself because i see no one being fooled by you .
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 11:05 pm
No, Mr. Mabsout, the biggest and greatest role in backing and consolidating the American occupstion troops in Iraq was played be the Iraqi Shiite leadership.
The religious sunni leadership issued numerou Fetwas or edicts encouraing Iraqis to resist. But the main Shiite religious leadership issued a famous edict outlawing any resistance to the Americans. So who is trying to fool whom, you or me?
Yes the treacherous rulers of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf went along with the Americans. What did you expect them to do? After all, these people had been basking in treason and subservience to Kuffars from time immemorial.
But we can not deal lightly with the collusion, connivance and coordination of the Shiite religious leadership with the American occupation troops. After all, America is Israel’s guardian-ally?
Sagddam was an evil man, he killed and oppressed many.
Likewise, Assad is another Saddam. He killed many more people than Saddam ever did?
So, why do you support his murderous monsterous regime? Is it not because Assad is Shiite, though he is not in reality, while Saddam was Sunni, though he was not in reality?
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Claiming that the Iraqi religious and Political leadership didn’t welcome the American occupation armies into Iraq is the nadir of dishonesty and lack of credibility.
When a man loses his honesty and moral rectitude, he loses evething.
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RB: David Aaronovitch’s and Nick Cohen’s designs concerning Iraq would have had a zero chance of success had it not been to the brazen treason and perfidy of the Shiite leadership in Iraq.
The Shiite leadership, which was supported by Iran and Hizbullah and Syria, would have cooperated with Satan himself, not just America, in order to topple Sadam.
Frankly, for the Shiites who so enthusiastically embraced the Amercan occupation of Iraq to lecture us on resistance against America in Syria is very much like a slut giving a lecture on the vices of prostitution.
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Little bankrupt people pay attention to little things, create distractions, and raise secondary subjects, like having a different choice of words.
Their ultimate goal is to divert attention from the real issues, which underscores their mental depravity, defeatism, and ill-will.
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 8:09 pm
etominusipi: you are fretting and ranting about the use of the word “Chutzpah” which is used in the English language, but you uttely ignore the genocidal murder and rape by the shiite thugs and henchemen in Syria,
And you want us to take you seriously??????? Perhaps, the word honesty is nonexistent in your lexicon.
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Well, Mazbout Afandi, it is a sign of childish audacity to accuse me of not being sincere vis-a-vis the Palestinian cause.
I was in the fray from the very inception, I lost three members of my family to Israeli bullets, I was injured myself fighting the Israelis, while you are busy distributing false certificates of good conduct and bad cobnduct to people you don’t know. Can’t you have some shame, some decency?
I really am amazed by your childish discourse. You give an entirely new definition to lunacy.
Daniel Mabsout
July 22, 2012 at 9:03 pm
It is Mabsout by the way and not Mazbout , i can also do the same thing with your name and make something silly out of it to suit you better . What do you know about me Mister to say that i was distributing certificates ? How do you know me in any way ? and why are we discussing yourself ? Is it what the conversation is about ? Sectarianism divides the Nation and is anti Islam , for sure you cannot be a Muslim and promote division when the Umma is under attack , therefore whatever you say or claim or pretend about being Palestinian or Arab or Muslim , you have nothing to do with all this , for all practical reasons you serve a Zionist agenda and i don’t care what happened to you in the past , right now you are serving Zionists and this is the ugly truth and i have nothing to add . So Long Mister!!
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 10:47 pm
SORRY, Mr. Mabsout, to err is human to forgive divine, maybe you don’t understand the meaning of forgiveness given the ancient hatred you keep concealed in the hearts and minds of your peeple.
As to sectarianism, it is undoubtedly a bad and divisive thing that we should shun.
But who is always promoting sectarianism?
Have you ever seen a Sunni Muslim bad mouth Ali, or Hussein, or Abbas, or Mahdi?
But you know too well that shiites vilify and bad mouth the symbols of Islam such as Omar and Abu Bakr as often as they breathe???
Can’t you bring youself to understand the golden rule? Namely, that if you want to be respected, you should respect others, their symbols, their faith, their customs, etc.?
fool me once...
July 23, 2012 at 12:24 am
Khalid,
“Can’t you bring youself to understand the golden rule?”
Your “understanding” will lead to a paradise of fools.
It’s the man with the Gold, that makes the rules.
Laura Stuart
July 23, 2012 at 12:05 am
Israel is preparing to welcome the Syrian Alawites
http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/news/israel-preparing-to-take-in-syria-refugees_4026
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 3:41 am
They would make good candidates for staffing the Mosad’s Arabic department?
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Mr. CHUTZPAH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS who_me, I wish you would pay more attention to the Shiite leadership in Iraq that sold their country to the Americans in the name of Hussin and Mahdi?
who_me
July 22, 2012 at 8:34 pm
6 posts in quick succession where a single post would be enough. and all of it ad hominim, false accusations and religious bigotry. 6 posts are used in order keep a favoured item in view and to dominate the comment que. the ad hominim, false accusations and religions bigotry is standard ziobot spamming strategy.
the following couple of links have some useful info on the various tricks these people use:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24889
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 10:36 pm
It is six posts in response to six lies. It is unwise to allow lies to pass without refuting them.
As to my alleged accusations, I callenge you to pin point them one by one!
I am always willing to defend my views and arguments in the most convincing academic manner.
fool me once...
July 22, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Thanks for posting those links who_me. Just had a quick skeg through but read enough to think “yeah some of that’s been going on here”. I can see now why you appear so confident when your weeding the deLib garden and like to give everyone a tug on the stem, so to speak
, I say fair do’s.
Tried to go on the GR link again but it didn’t work?? I’ll try again later.
who_me
July 22, 2012 at 11:22 pm
“Tried to go on the GR link again but it didn’t work?? I’ll try again later.”
gr seemed to have gone down right after i posted the link, but they were back up maybe 15 minutes later. been up and down since. could be they are experiencing heavier than normal traffic, their servers are being blocked or they have been attacked. sad thing about the west is one never knows with all the zios getting free rides to do anything and government/corporate corruption run amok.
fool me once...
July 22, 2012 at 11:46 pm
hmmm, me screen started to fade after the second attempt, so I restarted. Seems ok now, maybe nothing, always something.
“could be they are experiencing heavier than normal traffic,” is that a reference to your massive crowd of followers checkin’ out the link on your comment?
who_me
July 23, 2012 at 12:01 am
“is that a reference to your massive crowd of followers checkin’ out the link on your comment?”
of course.
Khalid Amayreh
July 22, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Who-me: You are being phobic & hypochondric.
fool me once...
July 22, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Khalid, I was going to post this to you earlier but I’m glad I waited. You’ll like it in a way few will understand.
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMO72KRoL4Y
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 3:37 am
Whe you are powerless to face the truth, you resort to silliness. Do you think we have time for you idiocies and and morbid mockeries?
Laura Stuart
July 22, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Says who-me who is on here from dawn until well after midnight every day.
Laura Stuart
July 23, 2012 at 12:15 am
@Roy of course the USA is backing its Prince and plenty of Shia have been killed – detained – tortured etc in fact they have our very own British policeman to thank for helping them on how to deal with uprisings after the experience he gained crushing the Mau Mau.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Henderson_(police_officer)
The American 5th fleet is stationed off Bahrain the Saudis – Emiraties and Kuwaities occupied Bahrain for a while so that law and order could be established. The Shia of Bahrain know they will lose if they take up arms because Saudi will storm in again.
So do we support people who want to rid themselves of dictators or not? Or is Bahrain just about getting equal employment rights with sunnis?
Again I want rid of all of the Princes, Kings, Sultans, Emirs etc
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 3:31 am
How many Shhites have been killed in Bahrain, plenty says the disseminators of lie.
In fact, the number of Syrians killed at the hands of the Alawite Shite thugs exceeds by far the number of Shiite protesters killed in Bahrain i an entire year.
Daniel Mabsout
July 23, 2012 at 10:20 am
Question : shouldn’t we have two sectarian Shiites besides our these two sectarian Sunnis to represent the whole scope of the matter ?
Answer : it is not necessary , these two represent all sectarian division in the world , they are like opposite faces of a coin. the point is to respond to the enemy by getting divided ; what you get divided into is of secondary importance . what is important is the loss of unity in confronting the enemy and succumbing to the enemy instead by dividing yourself
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 5:41 pm
you are wrong. We don’t criticize the Shiites because they are shiites, we do because they support the murderous regime in Syria.
It was for the same reason that we condemned the pseudo-sunni regime of Saddam, the “Sunni” Qaddafi regime, the pseudo-Sunni regimes in Saudi Arabia and Jordan and the Sheikhdoms of the Gulf.
So, you are lying through you teeth.Your proclivity to lie is consoicous. The Bible, which you claim to follow, says :thou shall not lie.”
Laura Stuart
July 23, 2012 at 10:28 am
Daniel – at least you are consistent in your hatred Me, KA, Sheik Raed Salah, Hamas, all Sunnis who want to see an end to oppression and who want a free Al Aqsa.
I speak for myself when I say I want to see a return to the Caliphate, I wonder if there could be unity in the Ummah? The Shia won’t even start Ramadan or end Ramadan on the same days at the Sunnis so if unity in the Ummah was achieved would the Shia be part of it?
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Ramadan Mubarak to you and all other Muslims.
The Quran tells us to start the fasting upon citing the new moon. The shiites don’t follow the Quran. They make sure they don’t fast the day Sunni Muslims fast. And they rant and rave about Muslim unity.
Laura Stuart
July 23, 2012 at 5:43 pm
@Khalid – I personally had enough of the whole Shia/Sunni bickering on here. I really wish it was possible to find a common ground. Surely Israel is the common enemy?
Sadly arguing about Sunni/Shia issues only shows Islam and Muslims in a bad light.The west has been playing the divide and rule game very well. I know that there will be no unity upon misguidance but really really all the discussion does here is to show our weakness.
Daniel Mabsout
July 23, 2012 at 3:24 pm
you are confused or not wanting to understand , i am Christian and i have nothing to do with you being a Sunni or a Shi’a . you are neither Sunni nor Shi’a you are sectarian par excellence and this has nothing to do with Islam , you seek division, if you were a Christian you would have been a sectarian , also if you were a Pagan you would have bene a sectarian Pagan,and you would want your Pagan sultan to rule the world and you speak of Umma while you mean the sect . you are a double tongue , you live on division and get your sustenance from division ,can you forget about your Sunna and Sultan and stand with the others against Israel? You are like the woman who said i like married life but i hate my husband. i hope you get renumeration for what you do because frankly speaking there could be no other benefit for you or for others from this whole trip.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 5:29 pm
How can I be a sectarian when I represent 1500 Million Muslims? Would you want me to put 1500 million Muslims who represent the core of Islam, on equal footing with a a small cult that have a esoteric and heretic agenda that goes against the vast majority of the people in the Middle East?
You say you are Christian? So what? It is either you are a liar, which is more likely, or ignorant of your own religion. Chritianity doesn’t support mass murder, you do.
fool me once...
July 23, 2012 at 5:52 pm
@Khalid
“How can I be a sectarian when I represent 1500 Million Muslims?”
Khalid, are you familiar with the phrase “Delusions of grandeur”? You do not represent 1.5 billion Muslims. If you persist in your delusions, you will be required to present evidence if you wish to be taken seriously.
Daniel Mabsout
July 23, 2012 at 5:46 pm
you claim falsely that you represent ; you speak not even for yourself ;you are the voice of the Sultan
i was born to Christian parents i am honest , i speak for myself ; i do not try to usurp the voices ofothers . i wish you were able to speak for yourself then we would have had a conversation
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 8:56 pm
I am the voice of my self, you make an obscene lie when you claim I am the voice of the Sultan. I have vehemently condemned every Sultan (my articles testify to this) the saudis, the Jordanians, the Gulf Sheikhdoms, etc.
In truth, it is you who is the voice of mendacity and Satan, you are an evil voice for evil, oppression and murder.
I don’t believe you. Even if you were Christian, you would be a pesudo-Christian. True Christians don’t lie, but you lie as often as you breathe.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Fool Me Once: At the very least, we don’t curse the companions of Prophet Muhammed as you routinely do, and we done back and support the Nazi-like regime of the Hitler of Damascus. I think this requires no evidence.
Roy Bard
July 23, 2012 at 9:11 pm
“the Nazi-like regime of the Hitler of Damascus”
Perhaps I’m just dumb and I missed the invasion of other countries, and the concentration camps for the Jews?
Perhaps you can point me to them? Or justify the claim in some other coherent way?
Or is this just nonsenical drivel which further indicates that we cannot take what you write seriously?
who_me
July 23, 2012 at 9:14 pm
“the Nazi-like regime of the Hitler of Damascus”
“Or is this just nonsenical drivel which further indicates that we cannot take what you write seriously.”
it’s the exact same spam ziobots are flooding the rest of the web with.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 9:29 pm
No, it is not a drivel, because the moment a regime thinks, behaves and acts like the Nazis did, then that reegime becomes a Nazi regime.
Besides, the Baathist regime is an atheistic regime that rejects Islam, advocates fascism and terror to spread their ideology.
الا يقول البعثيون:
امنت بالبعث ربا لا شريك له وبالعروبة دينا ما له ثاني
the translation:
I belive in Baath as the one and only God;
and in Arabism as the one and only relgion!
Now, why do you people reject Baath in Iraq, but you embrace it cordially in Syria?
It is the same Baath, same ideology, same evil.
The anser is clear, because the Iraqi Baath is nominally Sunni, while the Syrian Baath is nominally Shiite.
Which shows that you are sectarian fron head to toes desit you mendacious rhetoric.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 9:57 pm
True Nazizm began long before the concentration camps, it began in the early and mid thirties. The Syrian regime is murdering Sunni Muslims en mass just like Hitler ganged up on Jews and others ?
Have you forgotten what happened in Hamaa? what happened in Homs,. Baba Amre?
Had the world risen up against the devil before it was too late, maybe millions could have been saved?
So do you want the world to make the same mistake with the Hitler of Damascus and allow him to murder six million Syrians??
fool me once...
July 23, 2012 at 11:24 pm
@khalid
“we don’t curse the companions of Prophet Muhammed as you routinely do,”
Er, I haven’t “cursed” anybody Khalid, who is friends of the “Prophet Muhammed”. I may have taken the proverbial out of those who claim the moral high ground yet spout obscenities about peoples mothers of whom they have no knowledge. Insulting someone’s mam is bang out of order and a man of your age and religious conviction should know better. How about an apology to Alex and his mam for those insults. As the insults were in the heat of the moment and if your apology sincere, their forgiveness should not be hard to find. You will not win many upstanding followers to your point of view by throwing mother insults around.
Regarding your “Hitler of Damascus” bit, I had a look on the net to try and see where you are coming from. All that I found was this piece by a guy called P. David Hornik, are you familiar with him?
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=5245
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._David_Hornik
1 question, 1 answer please. Are you familiar with him?
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 9:10 pm
It is certainly sad that we have to invoke the Sunni-Shiite thing. But it is equally wrong to consider as Muslims those who burn the Quran, bomb the mosques, murder the children and rape the wonen of Syria.
We have to call the spade a spade even when it is uncomfortable to do so.
In the final anaylisis, more than 25000 Muslims, including thousands of children, have been murdered by those who claim to be Muslims.!
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm
The ultimate supporters of the Sultan are those who identify themselves with the murderous, corrupt and tyrannical regimes that torment and persecute the people under the false rubric of resistance.
The Assad regime is a decidedly Nazi regime, and the Shiites back that regime knowingly and deliberately purely for sectarian reasons.
Daniel Mabsout
July 23, 2012 at 9:26 pm
you are a discredit to Islam and to Palestine and to political activism and to Deliberation . i do not want to be Muslim like you , nor do i want to be the Christian you accept but , really how have you become like this ? what inauspicious evil desire made you like this ? May you be given a chance to revert to what i suppose you were at sometime ; a human being worthy of the message and the messenger of God. Man or woman for that matter is a very worthy being and worthy of worship of the angels but you refuse to give worship to man and say the Sunni is made of fire ; your sectarian arrogance will take you to the fires no doubt . This is not religion in any way neither Islam nor anything else,
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I think you are cancer upon the conscience of humanity. Your warm, dark embrace with the cultic junta in Damascus puts you in the company of bloodsuckers, nefarious criminals and virulent terrorists.
for my part, I can not possibly condemn Israeli criminality while keeping silent on the Shiite regime’s even more barbarian criminality in Syria.
I am a writer who respects himself. I don’t pay attention to what dishonest people say.
Roy Bard
July 23, 2012 at 9:58 pm
“I think you are cancer upon the conscience of humanity.”
You proud of that Khalid?
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 10:16 pm
“Man or woman for that matter is a very worthy being and worthy of worship of the angels” it seems you are quite nuzzy.
You are wrong: there are many men and women who are worse. much worse than animals.
The murderers, the terrorists, the liars, the thieves, those who back the oppressor against the oppressed are far worse than animal:
إن شر الناس عند الله الصم البكم الذين لا يعقلون ولو علم الله فيهم خيرا لاسمعهم ولو اسمعهم لتعولوا وهم معرضون.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 9:39 pm
I know you don’t want to be a good Muslim or a good Christian or even a good atheist, you just want to be a “good” liar.
You speak of human beings! Do you think one doesn’t become a good human being unless he or she supports the decapitation of babies, the mass murder of innocent civilians and the wanton destruction of entire population centers right on top of dwellers?
Is this how you understand humanity?
Even beasts in the jungle don’t over-
kill. They only hunt to eat, but you kill in order to satisfy your unsatisfiable and insatiable saddism.
Daniel Mabsout
July 23, 2012 at 10:02 pm
what you speak and describe are your traits because you are the one supporting the killers and none else ,you are supporting the Israelis ,the US and their clients who are committing the atrocities in Palestine , Iraq and evrywhere in the world by backing them in their war against Syria and Hizbullah , and you know the truth about that even if you pretend other wise and speak about spreading democracy in Syria through US , you put your head in the sand thinking that no one is seeing you , you are the only one not seeing yourself everyone else is seeing all this very clearly about you…
Laura Stuart
July 23, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Tell the truth Daniel – Assad’s forces are killing the civilians in Syria not Israel but Assad’s forces.
who_me
July 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm
“Tell the truth Daniel – Assad’s forces are killing the civilians in Syria not Israel but Assad’s forces.”
nice example of the use of zionazi spambot “soundbite” propaganda to provide oblique support for israeli war crimes.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm
What exactly is “oblique” about it?
It may be willfully blind and unadmitted but I find it pretty straightforward.
who_me
July 23, 2012 at 10:31 pm
“What exactly is “oblique” about it?”
only in that she didn’t directly say “i support israel’s war on the syrian people”, but you’re right. oblique it was not.
Roy Bard
July 23, 2012 at 10:32 pm
LS: “Tell the truth Daniel – Assad’s forces are killing the civilians in Syria not Israel but Assad’s forces.”
And so, as it happens are the ‘revolutionaries’.
It is not by accident that the Red Cross has declared the situation a Civil War, and Assad is not the first statesman to use force to resist an armed ressurection.
As Usrael are sponsoring the opposition militias, then they must be as culpable as Assad is for militias he sponsors, no?
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Including children in their ranks is unlike storming homes in the quiet hours before dawn and slaughtering kids with swords and daggers and raping their mothers and then gleefully shouting Ya Hussein, Ya Ali Ya Mahdi.
Even their gods are bllodthirsty!
Roy Bard
July 23, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Were you there?
If not, how do you know who killed 49 children in Houla?
How much distortion of the facts has there been in the effort to demonise Assad? How many people have the opposition tortured and slaughtered? How sure are you that once in power they wouldn’t do exactly the same as Assad and the pro-regime militias if pro-Assad groups mounted an armed insurrection?
The first casualty of war is the truth. And you still sound like a shill for the Western imperialist forces.
Laura Stuart
July 24, 2012 at 12:08 am
Actually Roy you probably know that countries such as Tunisia Egypt and Turkey have been trying to assist the opposition into something that would represent the diversity of the people and work as a transitional government. Even America seems worried about what post Assad Syria might look like. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18706697
How to make a smooth transition? In Egypt and Tunisia the army sided with the people and maintained law and order but in Syria the army leaders are Alawite so will they stay or not?
Laura Stuart
July 24, 2012 at 1:44 am
Roy here is a report by Der Spiegel
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-look-back-at-the-houla-massacre-in-syria-a-845854.html
who_me
July 24, 2012 at 2:20 am
der spiegel, eh, laura? you’re kind of media source, no doubt:
“The staunchly pro-Israeli Der Spiegel made headlines in the Middle East earlier this year when it published a report suggesting that UN documents proved Hizbullah had been involved in the assassination of former Lebanese Premier Rafik Hariri, who was killed along with 22 others in a massive truck bombing in 2005. Both Hizbullah and the tribunal denied the allegation. – The Daily Star”
a supposed anti-zionist who uses moatly pro-isrzaaeli media sources to justify her support for the israeli orchestrated destruction of syria and the continued zionist butchery of the syrian people.
Roy Bard
July 24, 2012 at 10:20 am
And?
Laura Stuart
July 24, 2012 at 10:34 am
Exactly my point.
You can believe what ever works for you and supports the case you want to make because there is a lot of differing information out there. Just like people on here keep posting links which we are supposed to believe. I believe very little other than what my friends who have family living in Syria tell me.
What is unanimous amongst Syrians here is that the Syrian people have lived for 40 years under a very oppressive dictatorship and they want rid of it. Last year I used to go to the protests every week outside the Syrian embassy, the lebanese shia used to come and try and fight and throw stones at the Syrian demonstrators, the police had to keep them apart. So should the people of Syria have the choice?
Laura Stuart
July 24, 2012 at 11:16 am
Here is a nice story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDNAAtS297I
The Syrian State t.v. claims that Hollywood is busy recreating Syrian squares, buildings even mountains so they can spread misinformation.
Apparently Syria was told by Chinese intelligence that the opposition is going to make a film of the storming of the Presidential Palace and call it “Resounding fall”. The film which will be filmed in Hollywood is going to cost 36 billion and all costs will be paid for by the Qataris. The film will show thousands of demonstrators in Syrias squares, the raiding of the Presidential Palace and of course the downfall.
Laura Stuart
July 23, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Well,any report is difficult to believe as there is so much propaganda. However Assad using tanks and helicopters in civilian areas which would not indicate care of the people of Syria on his part.
The Saudis were previously giving arms to the FSA. They only have guns so not much they can do against helicopters and tanks. It has been reported that the Saudis have stepped back now. Other reports state that listening and communication equipment has been given to the FSA. How likely would it be that Israel give Sunni Muslims arms? The FSA have been asking for heavier weapons but no one is willing to hand them over. In fact America seems to be worrying about what post Assad Syria might look like. If the M.B. get into power in Syria then Jordon where they also have a huge membership will be next.
Shelling civilian areas whilst saying there are terrorists in there puts Assad on a level with Israel exactly.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Daniel, you are fornicating with words when you accuse me of backing the killers and supporting Israeli crimes.
You are exposing your ownself as a person devoid of morality and honesty. If I were responsible for this podium, I would not allow you to take part in any respectable dilogue. You are a repugnant embodiment of dishonesty and ignorance.
Alhanmdullillah, the epithet I used to described you (big liar” has been vindicated
who_me
July 24, 2012 at 2:39 am
Khalid Amayreh
“you are fornicating with words”
that is a strange turn of phrase this israeli agent provocateur uses. i wonder where he got it from. he doesn’t seem creative or bright enough to have invented the term himself. a search of the web brought up almost exclusively hits on a couple of ka’s spiels where he used the term, plus two other sources. what looks like an essay on the use of speech:
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/anderson/and.htm
and, um….this source:
http://spokenpandora.com/theeroticden/spoken-pandora/
hmmm…
fool me once...
July 24, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@who_me
“that is a strange turn of phrase…”
Yeah I noticed that and his use, a few comments up ^, of the word “nuzzy”, which only appears in the Urban Dictionary and is the name of one half of the “duo” Nuzzy and the Guy, who appear on the Howard Stern show. Howard Stern the J who called Helen Thomas a c**t on his radio show after she laid a few home truths on the israelis.
who_me
July 24, 2012 at 12:29 pm
so ka knows american basketball street slang and/or watches/listens to howard stern. hmmm….
Laura Stuart
July 24, 2012 at 12:38 pm
You two are really up and coming Sherlocks aren’t you?
What point are you trying to make?
Where did KA study by the way?
fool me once...
July 24, 2012 at 2:37 pm
“You two are really up and coming Sherlocks aren’t you?”
Why thank you Laura, but I feel it only proper and correct to inform you that the position for Mrs Hudson is already taken.
fool me once...
July 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm
It has also been noted Laura that you and Khalid are really up and coming Shylocks, with all your pound of flesh demands.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 24, 2012 at 12:52 pm
When I lived in NYC I had to use the 14th St subway stairs coming and going. There was a resident homeless who was sitting on the floor in there, in his own urine, heckling the passersby.
The stench was unbearable. I was trying to hold my breath but never succeeded for the whole distance and when I gasped for breath and got a lungful at once it was even worse.
A colleague with whom I always made the trip came up with the idea that it would bother us less if instead of trying to avoid it we would… analyze it, pretending we were olfactive analysts.
To encourage me he would demonstrate over and over: as soon as we started descending the stairs and the wall of stench would hit us he would say stuff like : “Mmm, interesting. Today I detect asparagus, perhaps with a hint of apple vinegar, what do you think, Ariadna?”
Not knowing your identities, I am just wondering if either you or fool me, is in fact my colleague…
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Everyone denouncing Shiite child-killers and cutthroats is automaticaly depicted as Zio-Nazi?
then what is the difference between Zio-Nazism and Shiite Nazism ?
In 45 years of Israeli occupation, probably less than 10,00 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli army.
In just one year of revolution against the cultic and sectarian Nazi regime of Bashar Assad, more than 30,000 Syrians have been mursered, many women raped, and entire towns utterly destroyed.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 23, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Can someone please explain to me what redeeming feature, if any, exists in the commentary above? (Or in SCORES of other similar ones from the same source)? Why should it maculate the comments section? Does it:
1 contain info?
2. refute an argument with another argument?
3. at the very least amuse anyone?
No. The only thing it contains is an ad hominem attack.
Why let this go on and on and on and on and on and on and on?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 23, 2012 at 10:40 pm
in ref to 10:25 PM
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Do you think people at deliberation are at your beck and call?
who_me
July 23, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Ariadna Theokopoulos
the main purpose of that form of ziospamming is to disrupt a site by causing endless, senseless arguments. in other words, to cause divisiveness among the site users. another purpose is to bring down the quality of the site overall in order to discredit it. this in tern reduces traffic to the site (as people who came for information and intelligent discussion leave due to spam) and it also opens the site up to complaints and accusations about the material that the agents provocateurs bring (such as the bigotry expressed by ka and ls).
it’s classic ziospam site disruption and this is going on all over the web now. in exactly the same manner as it is being done here.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Who-me: it is you who undermine the site by insisting on embracing a manifestly criminal regime that murders and terrorizes its own people in order to stay in power.
If you think anyone disputing your views has morbid intentions, then perhaps you have to exercise some contemplationand rexamine youre moral credentials.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 11:39 pm
What is so intelligent about embracing soul & heart a murderous regime that murders its people and bombards its own towns and villages with tank artillery and war planes, all in order to stay in power?
Do you think you are addressing stupid multitudes of people who are thoroughly intoxicated with your sectarian garbgage?
Laura Stuart
July 23, 2012 at 10:55 pm
@Ariadna says you, self appointed Queen of the comments section and of ad hominen attacks.
You like to put your own two penneth in. If you don’t like it withdraw.
fool me once...
July 23, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@Laura
Fair enough to say she’s got big bollox, but “two penneth”?, now thath being rediculeth!
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 6:06 pm
“self appointed Queen of the comments ”
Hyphen, Laura, hyphen! — “self-appointed queen”
I would feel better knowing that from our exchanges at least one side gets a benefit of some kind: you getting to mend your English a bit.
Daniel Mabsout
July 23, 2012 at 11:00 pm
what is happening in Syria is a base intervention on behalf of Israel’s allies to punish the regime who supplied The Resistance with the missiles and rockets with which it defeated Israel and to avenge the Israelis for their loss by overthrowing the regime that helped the Resistance achieve this remarkable victoiry that has no par in the Arab history. a victory that is liable to be repeated and where the Syrian regime is liable to resume its supplies to the victorious Resistance. At this crucial moment where the existence of Israel is itself at stake and where its vulnerability is being totally exposed , the allies of Israel chose another kind of war with different weapons this time since the regular weapons were defeated . This war has for goal first to isolate Hizbullah by launching the sectarian war in which the so called Khalid is a mere tool and by attempting at its spotless reputation and accusing the Resistance of fake crimes for which the Resistance would have to appear in front of International courts and second by trying to disarm Hizbullah and strip it of the arms that helped him achieve his victories , The war against Syria that has nothing to do with any opposition whether local or not falls within the scheme of disarming the Resistance by operating a regime change in Syria which will not coordinate efforts with the Resistance and will stop supplying it with various weapons. That is the only way for Israel and the allies of Israel to win the war against the Resistance after they failed in every respect.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 11:12 pm
You are lying through you teeth. The revolution in Syria is rooted in 40 years of tyranny, organized state terror,repression and police state apparatus. Every human rights organization under the sun has testified to this fact, and you are telling us it has to do with the supporting the resistance!!!!!! Do you think we have come from Mars?????
Don’t insult people’s intelligence. We have educated peopkle here.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Hzbullah’s reputation is tarnished, not because of the “propaganda” of people like Khalid, but rather because the Shiite party actively supports one of the most murderous and evil regimes under the sun.
For your information, Khalid had always been one of Hizbullah’s enthusiastic supporters.
But Khalid can’t sell his soul to the devil by standing on the side of murderers and child killers.
Khalid Amayreh
July 23, 2012 at 11:05 pm
The Shiites and their supporters on this podium are morally duplicitous?
WHY? because they were vehemently against the evils of the former Iraqi tyrant, Saddam, while they are cordially and euhphorically embracing the more criminal regime of the Hitler of Damascus?
These people have no honesty, no moral consistency.
Their faces don’t blush.
Laura Stuart
July 24, 2012 at 11:38 am
According to the Chinese media the Israelis offered to help with humanitarian assistance in Turkey but they say NO. It seems Lieberman wants to repair the damage with Turkey after the Mavi Marmara. A move that won’t be accepted by the Turkish people I feel sure.
http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2012/07/24/224-Israeli-FM-says-Syrian-rebels-rejected-their-help-willing-to-hold-talks-with-Turkey-.html
Daniel Mabsout
July 24, 2012 at 4:54 am
Laura and Amayreh you should stop these lies you are telling about Bashshar al Assad . It is Ramadan after all and you are supposed to be fasting and finally it has become obvious why you are slandering al Assad . it is a kind of job you have taken and a mission you have been engaged to achieve . Stop these lies , this should not be allowed to lie in a place where many people are spending so much time seeking and digging for truth and toiling over this only for you to come put your superb lies manufactured by some Intelligent service all over the place . Such a shame . Intelligent services are not a reference for Islam and do not know the Sunni from the Shi’i nor i they interested in knowing . Nor are you a Sunni or a Shi’i . You say what you are being fed , so will you stop this circus for once and this lying business. , it is not worth the money you get believe me.
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Bashar al-Assad is a despicable murderer, he has on his hands the innocent blood of thousands upon thousands of innocent people,
Lura and Khalid are not the only people who say this, The whole world is saying that.
The virtues of Ramadan teach Muslims to side with the truth, and you want us to side with Satan??
Nay, we won’t.
Roy Bard
July 24, 2012 at 6:15 pm
“Lura and Khalid are not the only people who say this, The whole world is saying that.”
Last time I looked Russia and China were using their veto, so perhaps this isn’t an accurate statement. South Africa and Pakistan abstained, both seeming to note that there are in fact (at least) two sides in the conflict.
Of course Khalid will tell that us that the FSA are pure as the driven snow whilst Assad personally eats at least 3 babies every breakfast……
Alex
July 24, 2012 at 11:21 am
Brother Memre president lived in Homs
Daniel Mabsout
July 24, 2012 at 11:31 am
here is a loving and wise advice from a responsible wise leader
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=343264625753398&set=a.127411980671998.32655.100002095913284&type=1&theater
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 4:04 pm
The leader of Lebanon’s Druze community Walid Jumblat has lambasted Hezbullah chief Hasan Nasrullah for calling Assad’s slain military chiefs comrades-in-arms.
“They are mass murderers and terrorists who spilled the blood of the Syrian people.”
So, here is a Shiite leader (Druze are Shiites) who agrees with Khalid and Laura, that Assad’s is a murderous and terrorist regime.
So, who is being sectarian?
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 5:30 pm
It is always morally desirable to expose murderous and criminal regimes.
Claiming that the Syrian regime is not evil, murderous and terrorist is the ultimate insult to people’s intelligence.
Praising Assad and his regime is very much like praising Hitler and his Third Reich.
Roy Bard
July 24, 2012 at 6:16 pm
“Claiming that the Syrian regime is not evil, murderous and terrorist is the ultimate insult to people’s intelligence.”
Would you care to name a regime that isn’t “evil, murderous and terrorist”?
Daniel Mabsout
July 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm
so you have decided to make a living as a dishonest writer and a dishonest human being cheating the readers and the fellow human beings , you are a terrorist working for the destabilization of society ,You should be quarantined and even if there are many people like you , one blow of truth will send you all to the dustbin of history.
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 10:17 pm
If I am “terrorist” for exposing the criminality, murderous nature and evilness of the Hitler of Damascus, then you are a double terrorist for siding and identifying with a decidedly Nazi-regime that murders its people and bombs its own population centers in order to stay in power: What sort of evil ideology makes a human being stoops to the level of animals?
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 10:34 pm
A writer doesn’t become “a dishonest writer” just because the fans of an evil regime don’t like his writings.
A tree is known by its fruit, and your fruit has so far been 25,000 dead victims, 20,000 homes destroyed, dozens of massacres, thousands of women raped, and two million people displaced from their homes.
And you claim to be human!
Rengraved time after time,
ever in their youthful prime
my writings unchanged remain!!!
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 2:01 am
KA: “25,000 dead victims”
who_me
July 24, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Laura Stuart
July 24, 2012 at 1:44 am
“Roy here is a report by Der Spiegel”
see the following in response.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html
“Meanwhile, at least three major German newspapers – Die Welt, the FAZ, and the mass-market tabloid Bild – have published reports attributing responsibility for the massacre to anti-government rebel forces or treating this as the most probable scenario.”
but those 3 german media didn’t parrot the zionazi line, der spiegel did, so naturally, laura chose the israeli media conduit der spiegel as her example of “independent international media” providing her with that all important denyability claim for her israeli sanctioned propaganda. a standard hasbara trolling tactic to use a source not usually known as an israeli source to reinforce the israeli hasbara.
journalists in those 3 other german media outlets have debunked the israeli propaganda published by der spiegel and shown it to be fabricated lies. like all israeli hasbara is:
“Writing in Bild, longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of “deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government”. He described this “massacre-marketing strategy” as being “among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict”. Todenhofer had recently been to Damascus, where he interviewed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for Germany’s ARD public television.
Wring in Die Welt, Alfred Hackensberger noted that Taldo, the sub-district of Houla where the massacre occurred, has been under rebel control since December 2011 and is in an open plain, making it unlikely that “hundreds of soldiers and Assad supporters” could have entered the village to commit the massacre. (An abridged version of Hackenberger’s report also appeared in Die Berliner Morgenpost.) Hackensberger visited Houla to conduct investigations for his report.”
so much for del spiegel’s dishonest, israeli style, self-serving claim to be the only ones allowed to visit the massacre site and the syrian government trying to stop people visiting and talking with the people there. but there is more:
“He also interviewed an alleged eyewitness – identified simply by the pseudonym “Jibril” – at the Saint James Monastery in Qara, Syria. In contrast to an earlier report in the FAZ, which had claimed that the victims were largely Shi’ites and Alawis, Jibril told Hackensberger that all of the victims were Sunnis “like everybody here”. By his account, they were killed for refusing to support the rebellion. Jibril added that “a lot of people in Houla know what really happened” but would not say so out of fear for their lives. “Whoever says something,” he explained, “can only repeat the rebels’ version. Anything else is certain death.”
While traveling in the region of Homs, Hackensberger heard similar stories about the conduct of the rebels. One – now former – resident of the city of Qusayr told him that not only were Christians like himself expelled from the town, but that anyone who refused to enroll their children in the Free Syrian Army had been shot. Hackensberger’s source held foreign Islamists responsible for the atrocities. “I have seen them with my own eyes,” he said, “Pakistanis, Libyans, Tunisians and also Lebanese. They call Osama bin Laden their sheikh.”
A Sunni resident of Homs told Hackensberger that he had witnessed how an armed group stopped a bus: “The passengers were divided into two groups: on the one side, Sunnis; on the other, Alawis.” According to Hackenberger’s source, the insurgents then proceeded to decapitate the nine Alawi passengers.”
meanwhile the german government withheld realeasing information showing it knew the massacre was committed by the israeli sponsored terrorists because that government is another israeli quisling regime:
“That the German government would cite national interest in refusing to disclose its information concerning the circumstances of the Houla massacre is particularly notable in light of Germany’s support for the rebellion and its political arm, the Syrian National Council (SNC).
While France, the United Kingdom, and the United States have figured as the most visible Western powers supporting the rebellion, Germany has been quietly playing a major role behind the scenes. According to a new report in the FAZ, the German foreign office is working with representatives of the Syrian opposition to develop “concrete plans” for a “political transition” in Syria following the fall of Assad.”
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 8:54 am
Reading Der Spiegel (owned by Axel Springer) is like reading second-hand Jerusalem Post reports, or NYT.
I found the same report you refer to in
http://www.trans-int.com/
because, apparently, there are still real journalists in Germany, despite efforts to muzzle them.
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 7:01 pm
thanks at, interesting site, i bookmarked it.
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 10:11 pm
The German press don’t have Solomomn’s ring to know the truth, they just don’t know.
Why would the freedom fighters kill innocentpeople, their own people, their own families?
If the speaker is fool, let the listener be wise.
fool me once...
July 24, 2012 at 10:29 pm
@Khalid
So your saying that the truth is to be found in “Solomon’s” ring?
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Do you think the truh is to be found in an Ayatollah’s dreams or morbid imagination?
Your Ayatoshytan bestowed Islam on people who don’t believe in Islam….such as the Alawite cultists who believe Ali ibn abee Taleb is Allah incarnate…and you follow them sheepishly. A blind leading a blind!
fool me once...
July 25, 2012 at 10:09 pm
@Khalid
“Do you think the truh is to be found in an Ayatollah’s dreams or morbid imagination?”
Er, really? Is that the impression I give? Are you really suggesting that my words can be interpreted as the Ayatolla’s aspirations? Hey man, you must have some kind of deep understanding of life’s mysteries, COOOOOL!
“A blind leading a blind!”
Maybe not a bad thing when in the company of deLib’s no.1 fear feeder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo
And tell me who is the one increasing the darkness?
You have much to learn grasshopper…now go in peace.
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Someone asks “are there non-evil regimes in the world?”
Of course there are? And decent people must never side with evil regimes even if such regimes-such as the Syrian cultic regime, adher to their religion.
Roy Bard
July 24, 2012 at 10:38 pm
“Of course there are”
Well if you care to name them I’m sure someone will be able to dish the dirt
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Do you really think that all regimes in the world are evil except the mullas’ regime in Tehran, the cultic regime in Damascus in addition to Russia and China?
I told you your very participation on this podium degrades its level and insults people intelligence.
Roy Bard
July 24, 2012 at 11:55 pm
I’m am certain that the Iranian regime does some very nasty stuff, along with the Russians and the Chinese.
Unlike you I don’t think the world is divided into good and bad. Neither do I think that I have the ‘TRUTH’.
Now are you going to name a regime that doesn’t commit abuses of power in order to stay in control? One that wouldn’t react violently to an armed uprising would be useful……
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm
You seem brashly dishonest.
You think there is no distinction betwewen genocidal regimes that commit crimes against humanity and other regimes indulging in human rights abuses?????
How can we conduct an intelligent discussion with this kind of thinking?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 12:17 pm
I am firmly convinced that it is impossible to conduct an honest or intelligent conversation with you.
Your ad homs are boring……
Just remember that your comments can be read by anyone who might think you are a credible journalist.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I think Khalid has a good point. Roy you say that all regimes are corrupt which is true but Khalid added that in reality some commit human rights abuses against their citizens (such as UK and USA) and some commit atrocities such as Assad Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi.
The position of many on this site is to defend or deny that Assad is killing his people with helicopters and tanks.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 2:02 pm
“in reality some commit human rights abuses against their citizens (such as UK and USA) and some commit atrocities such as Assad Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi.”
Laura – how many deaths outside of their borders are the US/UK responsible for? And how many non citizens have they tortured and assassinated? I’d call those atrocities too……
I think what some people on this site are railing against is the refusal of you and Khalid to accept that Assad is not the only one committing atrocities – perhaps you can do better than Khalid and name a state that would not respond violently to an armed uprising.
By the way do you have a problem with his ad homs, or do you only notice the ones of other posters?
Whilst I don’t have much time for the Angry Arab, I think he is doing better on Syria than you 2.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Agreed but then the difference is between killing your own civilians or others. So is Assad acceptable or not? Is it ok to fire helicopter guns and tanks into civilian areas? Even the FSA are mostly local civilians who have taken up arms and are fighting against a real army.
Regards ad hominen attacks I regard them all as tedious and am victim of a fair few myself which I ignore as it exposes the one making the attack more than the recipient.
How Palestinians care to speak to each other is rather disappointing.
Regards the Angry Arab, you see Roy I see everything from an Islamic perspective and so the Angry Arab is not interesting to me at all. I do not look for a solution from any group except those who want to use Islam as the criteria. Non religious Arabs be they into Baathism Socialism Nationalism or any ism are irrelevant to me. The only solution is Islam.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 2:48 pm
“Agreed but then the difference is between killing your own civilians or others.”
What kind of difference is that exactly. Innocent people are still dead. Small kids are still blown to smithereens. In fact as the people killed are being killed despite the fact that they pose no threat whatsoever to the US/UK – its a lot less understandable than attacks on those who pose a direct threat to the regime.
“Is it ok to fire helicopter guns and tanks into civilian areas?”
No – but why did they get sold the helicopters and tanks in the first place? What were they built for? War is indeed a dirty business.
“Even the FSA are mostly local civilians who have taken up arms and are fighting against a real army.”
The key word here is mostly. And the question is whose arms have they taken up?
As for your only being interested in an Islamic perspective, you might be on the wrong site. deLiberation is about exposure to all sorts of different ways of looking at the world…..
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 2:56 pm
“Just remember that your comments can be read by anyone who might think you are a credible journalist.’
I only know one person. I find it hard to believe they are legion.
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 7:07 pm
notice how laura stuart comes to khalid’s rescue and provides an echo to his absurd hasbara?
this is how the israeli web sayanim operate together everywhere on the web.
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Surely, it can not be found in a liar’s tongue.
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Syrian forces attack mosque, 30 feared dead By REUTERS LAST UPDATED: 07/24/2012 22:18 AMMAN –
Syrian forces killed up to 30 worshipers on Tuesday as they converged on a mosque to perform Ramadan evening prayers in a village northwest of the city of Hama, opposition activists said.
“Troops and shabbiha (militia loyal to President Bashar Assad) left the roadblock on the edge of Shariaa and crossed the main road and began firing automatic rifles at the worshipers as they were entering the mosque,” Jamil al-Hamwi, one of the activists, said by telephone from al-Ghab Plain.
“We have confirmed the names for 15 bodies and there is a similar number estimated still to be collected from the streets,” Hamwi, who uses a pseudonym for safety reasons, said.
Khalid Amayreh
July 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm
and the “shabbeha” of the internet have the brazen shamelessness to claim that the Assad regime is neither terrorist nor murderous….and that it is murdering its own people for the sake of Palestine!!!
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 12:14 am
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=173649509381578&set=a.174056802674182.44384.100002095913284&type=3&theater
Alex
July 25, 2012 at 1:09 am
“So, here is a Shiite leader (Druze are Shiites) who agrees with Khalid and Laura, that Assad’s is a murderous and terrorist regime.”
In his last Vist to Lebanon, your dear Jeffry Feltman, Promised Jumblat that in July there would be NO ASSAD.
Most likely a similar promise was given to Hamas.
However, its an open war now and the Syrian TVs are daily showing the rotten corps of imported “freedom fighters,
Jumblat said that he lied 25 years, until he showed his true color. BTW, the So-called Shiite Durzi Leader is a Sunni Kurd,
You did the same lied for years, practiced taqiya, like all spies in your previous writings and vidoes.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 1:46 am
Yes – someone should let Jumblatt know that he’s a “Shiite leader”
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:27 am
There are many other Shiite leaders who agree that Assad is a Nazi-like criminal leader. They regularly appear on TV and speak about their contempt for the evil terrorist regime, it is either they are telling the truth or they are practicing Toqya!!!
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:35 am
The Syrian TV is very much like Saddam’s TV, which also showed decomposed bodies of Shiite fighters littering the streets .
However because you are hypocrites and bereft of morality and human conscience, you oppose one ytyrannical regime while embracing the other.
And you think you are smart because you are deceiving unsuspecting participants her by your Shiite Toqya,
You are being exposed.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:51 am
Alex, you are even hiding your real name. You are a person with a lying tongue. You lie as often as you breathe.
If you were speaking among an educated company, I mean peple well-informed about the sunject matters, you would be shoved away the good for nothing.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:20 am
Why do you lie through your teeth? Aren’t the Druze a Shiite sect called “Ismaeliya”? Historically, there are 70 Shiite sects, many of them no longer exist.
But the Druze are actually a large sect, which exists in northern Palestine, Lebanon and Syria as well as in parts of southern Saudi Arabia and India.
The Druze Shiites serve in the Israeli army. Claiming that the Druze are not Shiites is an obscene lie. It is really shameful that many Shiites on this site resort rather habitually to lying especially in order to hide an embarrassing fact?
Alex
July 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Your are filthy liar. You lie through your teath, eyes, ears and…
Where I said Druze are not Shiites? Where I said they are?
The Druze faith began as a movement in Ismailism, so calling them “Ismaeliya” is not precise and not correct.
Why you insist to mix between Al-Shiite Al-Jaafariya with other sects.
Besides I am talking about a man called Jumblat, who claimed that he has Kurd roots, and taking about Jeffery your and his boss, and his promised that there would be No Assad in July, a dream that failed to come and will never come true until next presidential election.
Like your zionist masters, when cornered with facts you avoid the issues and drive the disscussion into secondary issues.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:58 am
For the liars who are trying to deceive people on this site:
Druze (Arabic: درزي, derzī or durzī, plural دروز, durūz, Hebrew: דרוזים druzim) are a monotheistic religious community, found primarily in Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan, which emerged during the 11th century from Ismailism school of Shia Islam. Druze beliefs incorporate several elements from Abrahamic religions, Gnosticism, Neoplatonism and other philosophies. The Druze call themselves Ahl al-Tawhid “the People of Monotheism” or al-Muwaḥḥidūn “the Unitarians”.
Alex
July 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Perhaps you are the only Liar here trying without success to decieve peope.
In the final analysis all muslim sects emerged from the school of Islam.
I think your are aware how many bastards emerged from your motherhood.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 4:32 pm
No, Mr Buhtan, not all sects sprang up from Islam.
The sects that legalize lying, under the rubric of Toqya, legalize adultery, under the rubric of Mutaa, and worship saints and tommbs, such as Shiism, originated with Satan, not Islam.
Islam didn’t tell you to lie, to murder, to worship tombs in Iraq, or give your daughters to multiple men for adultery.
This is not Islam, this is Kufr.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 4:45 pm
If I were a liar, I wouldn’t have millions of readers around the world.
but I understand, evey one criticizing Shiite Nazizm and criminality, is a “liar”
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 2:27 pm
This is nice
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/07/25/syria-weapons-and-combat-tutorials-fsahelp/
How to train for battle on line
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@Roy
“Agreed but then the difference is between killing your own civilians or others.”
What kind of difference is that exactly. Innocent people are still dead. Small kids are still blown to smithereens. In fact as the people killed are being killed despite the fact that they pose no threat whatsoever to the US/UK – its a lot less understandable than attacks on those who pose a direct threat to the regime.
“Is it ok to fire helicopter guns and tanks into civilian areas?”
No – but why did they get sold the helicopters and tanks in the first place? What were they built for? War is indeed a dirty business.
“Even the FSA are mostly local civilians who have taken up arms and are fighting against a real army.”
The key word here is mostly. And the question is whose arms have they taken up?
As for your only being interested in an Islamic perspective, you might be on the wrong site. deLiberation is about exposure to all sorts of different ways of looking at the world…..
The arms that the FSA have taken up are very small compared to helicopters and tanks and yes there are some outsiders there who are fighting for the establishment of Islam, they are a very small minority.
As for my being only interested in an Islamic perspective – why is deLiberation the wrong place if you are looking at different perspectives?
In the Syrian context I want Assad out because he doesn’t rule by Islam more than for any other reason, although there are enough reasons for any person who cares about humanity to want him out.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Laura, I am sorry that your companion has just called you”willfully stupid” and “morally blind.”
To console you I can only hypothesize that he hasn’t yet got the knack of punctuation and doesn’t know the use of quotation marks. Thus he didn’t realize that when he engaged in his usual site urination he would spray you, of all people.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm
If my hypothesis is incorrect then we are witnessing the birth of yet another sectarianism among sectarians — K vs L.
If so I wish I could believe that their posts would be more entertaining than the lethal tedium of the repetitive insults and nonsense but the fact that the actors are the same leaves me little hope.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Your holiday must be falling short of expectations if you have nothing better to do than wish for sectarian strife on the net.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm
You must be drenched.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 3:58 pm
“I want Assad out….
I can only exclaim “Wow” — words fail me
“… because he doesn’t rule by Islam”
It must be torture for you to live in the UK.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Are you willfully Stupid?
we want Assad out because he is a Nazi murderer, not because he doesn’t rule by Islam.
Are you morally blind?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm
KA: we want Assad out because he is a Nazi murderer, not because he doesn’t rule by Islam.
Now what was that about being wilfully stupid?
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Sorry Roy can you explain what is stupid about either view?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm
If you read the thread – you’ll see its Khalid’s ad hom not mine.
I believe he accused Ariadna of being willfully stupid because she correctly quoted you.
He then asserts that you are lying.
I suggested he was being willfully stupid on both accounts.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 4:48 pm
There you are all explained by KA now. Any reason why AT refers to KA as “my companion” I have already stated we have never met or even communicated.
A leadership ruling by Islam wouldn’t be killing children and civilians with tanks and helicopters.
I said that one of the primary reasons I want Assad out is because he doesn’t rule by Islam, it is selbstverständlich that an Islamic government doesn’t kill it’s civilians en masse. The urgent need now is for Assad to step down so transition can take place, the longer he stays the more kids will die. This is either live footage or it is part of a billion dollars enterprise paid for by the Emir of Qatar filmed in Hollywood.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18980406
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 6:12 pm
“it is selbstverständlich that an Islamic government doesn’t kill it’s civilians”
Whoa, Laura! You are not quite finished with English to attempt other languages.
It’s not ” doesn’t kill it’s civilians” but ” doesn’t kill its civilians”
Try to remember it this way: when you are about to use “its” ask yourself this: can it be replaced by “it is”? If it can, then you must use apostrophe: it’s. If not, not.
It’s not really hard. Did you see that: IT”S not really hard.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm
I am sure most writers on deLib are fluent in more than one language.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Does that make you feel inadequate, not being fluent even in English?
You can improve if you work on it.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 6:55 pm
quite the little troll arent you dear
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm
LS: There you are all explained by KA now.
If he did manage to actually explain anything in between the spasms of vitriolic abuse I missed it.
LS: Any reason why AT refers to KA as “my companion” I have already stated we have never met or even communicated.
As I’m not AT I don’t know. It does seem as if you two are a tag team though – he’s the bad cop to your good cop in the act.
LS: I said that one of the primary reasons I want Assad out is because he doesn’t rule by Islam
Actually you said it was the primary reason
LS: This is either live footage or it is part of a billion dollars enterprise paid for by the Emir of Qatar filmed in Hollywood.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18980406
Yes – I note that the BBC stresses it is ‘unverified’ and also notes that Government forces have largely repelled a rebel assault and A sustained assault by rebels earlier this month on the capital has seen a dramatic upsurge in violence there.
So, I read that as the BBC reporting it as the regime responding to an assault. Am I wrong?
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Roy Bard
“It does seem as if you two are a tag team though – he’s the bad cop to your good cop in the act.”
exactly, they are.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Q: What are these:
Ophthalmic surgeon
Jet pilot
Watchmaker
A: Professions that require utmost calm and precision and the ability to hold steady under any ‘turbulence’ and which Roy could be brilliant at.
Assuming, that is, that he is not interested in the other one he would also qualify for: martyred saint.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 4:49 pm
A mendacious cultic sect will only produce liars, hypocries and mindless idiots.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Remind us which “mendacious cultic sect” produced you
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm
I think you are criminally stupid, because a murderous regime must be a non-Islamic regime. However, not every non-Islamic regime is a murderous regime.
Take, Sweden, it is a non-Islamic state, but it is not a murderous regime. Have you ever seen Swedish tanks and war planes shower Swedish cities and towns with bombs and missiles as the Nazi regime in Syria does?
This why Shiites from Iran and Iraq converge to Sweden by the tens of thousands for assylum.
You see who is prevaricating..who is really stupid.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 4:58 pm
So no Swedish missiles were used to slaughter in Afghanistan and Iraq, and no Swedish troops were on the ground there?
When was the last armed insurrection in Sweden?
And finally did they teach you to be so rude and obnoxious at journalism school, or are your family to blame?
An intelligent man would be able to express himself without the need to resort to such petty and coarse behaviour.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Living in the UK is fine by me since there is no evil Arab dictator ruling it. Where should I live I am English.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Lauram, they probably would want you to live in Iran where they teach people there that the urine and feces of an imam are holy and delicious! hahaha
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Doesn’t Islam (or what you presonally call “Islam” which is not the same thing) come first? If you can say “I want Assad out because he doesn’t rule by Islam” when you have nothing to do with Syria it must kill you to live under the heathes. You can also be the poster girl of the zionists who claim that “Islamists” want to extend sharia to the Western world.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Cx: “heathens”
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Perhaps you better explain what an Islamist is?
Last time I was in Syria it wasn’t in the western world. Are you against majority Muslim countries ruling by Islam?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 6:30 pm
“Are you against majority Muslim countries ruling by Islam?”
I would consider it inappropriate and uncalled for to have an opinion, much less a fixation, on how any other country should rule itself.
I am only speaking for myself, not for you, obviously, since I cannot imagine what it must be like to be a fervent neophyte of a newly acquired religion, trying too hard, and handicapped by language and a patchy cultural understanding but emboldened by an undaunted self-assurance that could be endearing if applied to another field. Like something artistic, for instance, that is unlikely to bother anyone.
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Laura Stuart
“Living in the UK is fine by me since there is no evil Arab dictator ruling it.”
why do you hate arabs?
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 4:02 pm
It is wrong to regard Laura and Amaryeh as independent thinkers and to engage in a debate with them for they are not indepedent , they are just extensions , they do not have any freedom. Instead ,one should speak and address their masters . they have followed the Zionists because the Zionists have promised them rule over their better brothers who were favored by God and out of envy they wanted to ovecome their brothers by cooperating with the enemy as goes the story of Joseph with his brothers who threw him in the deep well and then sold him to the slave traders because their brother -God’s messenger- was better than them.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Yes Daniel our zionist masters have told us to go out upon the earth and establish Islam as the criteria.
You are sooooo believable.
The enemy are those who allow thousands to be killed like Russia because they know that Assad will be replaced by a more Islamic government. They even said it in an article yesterday warning that America is forgetting what came after Mubarak and Gaddafi meaning Islam.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Laura, those people would rather see a satanic government in Damascus than an Islamc Sunni government.
This is the reason they are allying themselves wth the Kafir powers of Russia and China. Their cultic religion is based on hatred and vindictiveness.
Do you know that according to their mythology, their hidden imam-god, who has been hiding in a cave in Iraq for 1300 years) will unearth the tomb of the Prophet, burn the corpses of Omar and Abu Bakr and then slaughter all 1500 million Sunni people.
These people have nothing to do with Islam. throughout Islamic history, they sided with the enemies of Islam.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Those who slaughter children and women and bombard civilian neighborhoods with one-ton bombs and missiles, using warplanes, tanks and heavy artillery, can’t be our brothers. They are our enemies and the enemies of mankind.
Unfortunately we are conversing with sub-humans who have no moral conscience.
What else can we say about people who back a manifestly murderous regime, claiming that he represents Islam and that he is doing the killing for Palestine?
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 5:17 pm
God’s messenger never told the Shiites to murder the children of Syria en mass….just because they are the children of parents who don’t believe in Persian mythology.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 5:45 pm
“It is wrong to regard Laura and Amaryeh as independent thinkers ”
Name one poster on deLib who gave you the impression that he or she regards them as thinkers, or independent thinkers.
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 7:44 pm
“Name one poster on deLib who gave you the impression that he or she regards them as thinkers, or independent thinkers.”
but the presence of their posts on deLib tells something
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Ya Mabsout, I don’t need your testimony, I have always been free and indepebndent. I don’t blindly follow a senile Ayatollah or heretical imam.
My limits are the skies, my policy is honesty and my shield is truth.
Alex
July 25, 2012 at 6:24 pm
“No, Mr Buhtan, not all sects sprang up from Islam.”
Mr. Kharyan
I proved that you lied when you claimed that I said Druze are not Shiites.
You jumped to another subject and lied again.
I said. “all muslim sects emerged from the school of Islam.”
Regarding Mutaa, I am not against banning it, but your one cell mind can’t differciate between Haram and banning. To make it simple for you: Driving against traffic direction is forbidden not Haram stupid.
Do you deny that Muslims practiced Mutaa until Omar banned it:
“No, Mr Buhtan, not all sects sprang up from Islam.”
Reagarding Toqya,
Anti-Muslims presume Muslims are guilty, claiming innocence is an aditional evidence of their quilt, anti-shiites sunnis do the same, a shiite is a Liar while telling the truth and while practicing Taqiyya,
In real life the whole mankind practice it naturally, calling it other names like: “Kittman” `tolerance’, `diplomacy, ‘deception’ and `common sense’. Deception is a daily bussiness praticed by leaders, states, spies, media..
When the Egyptians see you, they will say, ‘This is his wife.’ Then they will kill me but will let you live.
Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.” [Genesis 12:12-13 NIV"
I am sure you know Ammar Ibn Yasser's famous case of Taqiyyah and you read, without comprending, thousand of timed the verses 16:106 :
Who so disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. [Quran 16:106]
Get it kharyan
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 7:54 pm
قبح الله وجهك يا عميل يل صهيوني عميل متلبس بالاسلام سوف اشهد عليك و على اعمالك , قبح الله وجهك يا دتيء عاقبك الله يا نذل . ليس اقبح من الاسرائيلي سوى الفلسطيني العميل
Nothing is worse than an Israeli Zionist except a Palestinian traitor
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Daniel Cohen, an Israeli spy disgised as a Shiite fanatic.
Hezbullah beware of the molds!!
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm
KA & LS
you both are lying , just lie in your own name do not lie and cover yourself with religion and with islam. you say islam islam and you do your individual egoistic thing in the name of islam and God ; speak your nasty words from your mouth and in your own name and interest or shut up and tell laura to shut up . you cannot ascribe your own thoughts and agenda and ascribe them to God . to make contrast with these two renegades , here is this story :
The story of the Holy Prophet with his Jewish neighbor is too well known . The Holy Prophet never tried to talk his neighbor into religion but he definitely won his heart . The Jewish Neighbor was inimical and used to throw his garbage everyday in front of the Holy Prophet’s door and the Holy Prophet would collect the garbage and throw it out each day until, one day , the Holy Prophet found no garbage in front of his door and became worried about what might have happened to his neighbor , he knocked at his door and made sure he was doing well . This is how the Jewish neighbor got to know Islam and embraced it seeing the mercy in the Prophet of all Muslims .
merely saying islam islam is not islam . you have the name of the matter but you have no conception of the matter.Islam is a beautifulthing but you have turned it into something else . When one reads your post one hates Islam , that is why you are a Zionist propaganda intent on harming islam , i have no doubt about that because you have nothing to do with true religion.and it is evident : islam is beautiful and you both are ugly
fool me once...
July 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm
@Khalid
Time for a tune perhaps? What do think to this brothers message?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBanBpnAS2s&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_392277
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Love Lowkey. Excellent! I bookmarked it.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Daniel if you want to accuse me of lying you need to produce evidence.
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 6:07 pm
i will not take you to court laura , but you are a lie yourself like the winged horse . you are not Muslim and this is not Islam , you are a part of Propaganda against Islam , i have never seen or heard a Muslim speak like you . you are not even a feasible human ; you are part of a political agenda , like the president’s men
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 8:42 pm
your speech organ and your other organs will tell the truth when asked
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Daniel, the Zionist agent, you endear yourself to Hezbullah in order to spy for Israel.
You might well be a Zionist Jew, another Cohen.
From now on I will call you Daniel Cohen.
fool me once...
July 25, 2012 at 8:55 pm
As long as we can call you Kosher Khalid.
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=343831245696736&set=a.127411980671998.32655.100002095913284&type=1&theater¬if_t=like.
We have seen your letter KA in which you offer yourself as a slave to the Sultan Erdugan ,it seems that things went well for yourself and you were hired with Laura to work for the Sultan and promote the new ottoman empire with Israel at its head .Why you think so low of yourself as to choose this slavery ? Why don’t you uplift yourself ? If you have this talent , be a slave to God. if you want to become a slave, be a slave to Allah and to none other and Allah will lift you up and liberate you.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Daniel, at least I don’t work for the Israelis and raise my voice louder and louder in order distract attention and suspicions.
The Hezbullah people ought to be cautious ofpeople of peopl like you.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Daniel who are you? Who do you work for? No one seems to know who you are where you live or anything about you.
I work for no one. Posters on here know me, they have met me, travelled with me. Who are you? No one knows.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 5:57 pm
“Posters on here know me, they have met me, travelled with me. ”
I am one of the lucky ones then– I only get to read you
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 6:04 pm
You appear like a woman who enjoys a good “cat fight” or sectarian fight- as you said yourself a few posts ago, for entertainment. Sad!
Some hormonal imbalance perhaps?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm
No, I make no distinction between sexes when I ridicule the likes of you. I don’t consider you inferior or superior to a man who appears to use as many synapses as you do.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 6:40 pm
you really only expose yourself
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Is that all? Not even yours…You got that from your sidekick, didn’t you. He told me I am “naked”
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm
“Daniel who are you? Who do you work for?”
besides spamming israeli hasbara and propaganda against jp’s “hitler of the moment”, israel’s web sayanim also gather data on opponents of jp control…
fool me once...
July 25, 2012 at 6:19 pm
@Daniel
“you both are ugly”
With respect, your last four words don’t appear to convey the message of your story. You seem to be throwing Khalids rubbish back over fence. Peering through his net curtain and seeing this, he then feels vindicated in his perception of you as a weak man – and the merry dance goes on.
Ask yourself, who in their right mind reads Khalids detritus and gains spiritual sustenance from it?
Who can wait until the pool of muddy water becomes clear?
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 6:30 pm
well certainly there is no spiritual sustenance in his words , he is not a spiritual man in any measure , he is more like a turkish army officer
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 6:35 pm
but he and laura are not jewish neighbors as in the story but they are taking part in a nasty criminal war and they are guilty of participating in the killing
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It is the Shiite thugs and cutthroats who are mursering children in the name of Hussein, Laanatullah alauikum and your little pagan gods.
what a lying adulterous generation!
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Time for another song perhaps?
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 6:21 pm
i live in Lebanon which is the next stop on your agenda after Syria ; but who are you interfering in our countries under a label of Islam made in Europe for consumption in the middle east. you are certainly some hired intelligence like Catherine Myles who hijacked the Ken O’Keefe mission . why would Europeansor people like you , take on islam when they have no use for it and do not use it except as a cover?
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:15 pm
At least in Lebanon,no sect controls the other sects and the regime doesn’t murder its people en mass as the shiite Nazi regime in Damascus does.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Daniel Cohen, how much do you receive from your Israeli handlers? Where do you meet? In Europe?
Do they stress to you to disguise your treachery with a fanatical pro-Shiite discourse?
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Daniel Mabsout
“you are certainly some hired intelligence like Catherine Myles who hijacked the Ken O’Keefe mission”
here is a good article describing that israeli smear job:
http://salem-news.com/articles/august012011/slander-tradenotaid-tk.php
Israel’s Latest Battle Against Ken O’Keefe
who_me
July 26, 2012 at 12:20 am
see also:
apparently there are a lot of israeli sayanim involved in the palestinian support network, working under various covers to wreck the organisations involved ken described how they attacked him here (his version of the crimes these israeli agents provocateurs committed that were described in the salem-news article above):
http://www.deliberation.info/us-congressional-bill-lists-me-as-terrorist/
“Say hello to the Trade Not Aid hijacking crew; Catherine Myles (aka Soraya Fitzgerald), Saeb Shaath, Sammi Coulthard (aka Saja Rana & Maitreyi Atmaja), Jez Cuthbert, Allison Hubbard (aka Vera Lynn) Ismail Patel (aka Iggle Piggle), Cath Jenkins and Yousef Khalfan.”
http://kenokeefe.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/hijacker-collage.jpg
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Oh look Libyans must be enjoying their freedom
went to visit my old neighbours in Tajoura, New Syrian Flag along with the Libyan flag wel comes you into the distt #Tripoli #Libya
increasing number of Free-Syrian flags are visible across #Tripoli these days. More & more mosques are keeping charity boxes fr #TwaarSyria
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 7:27 pm
funny how much laura stuart reminds me of the way linda grant behaves. both have similar personalities and spam the web in the exact same manner.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:13 pm
WHO-ME, ARE YOU ANOTHER ZIONIST AGENT HELL-BENT ON DIVIDING mUSLIMS?
WE ARE WATCHING YOU?
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm
The Palestinian cause certainly does not stand to “gain” from the violent regime change planned for Syria:
“What’s Really Happening In Syria?
By Jack A. Smith
25 July, 2012
After several months of talking diplomacy while simultaneously strengthening rebel forces in Syria and demonizing the Damascus government, the Obama Administration has openly decided to go for the kill. Violent regime change will not happen immediately, but it is obviously President Obama’s goal.
The White House is now “redoubling efforts to rally a coalition of like-minded countries to forcibly bring down the government of President Assad al-Assad,” the New York Times reported July 21. “Administration officials have been in talks with officials in Turkey and Israel over how to manage a Syrian government collapse.”
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:08 pm
you are the last one earth who is truly interested in Palestine. Your appetite for the Syrian Children blood exceeds by far your interest in getting Palestine Liberatd.
It is true that Palestine might not gain immediately, but in the long run, Palestine will gain.
Decades of tyranny and corruption take time to cleane.
Daniel Mabsout
July 25, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Dear brothers and sisters Other than L and K , i have decided to stop visiting the posts of these two charlatans , it is a waste if time and enegy of which we have limited amount and should be used for a higher purpose. I hope others will come to the same conclusion and let these two enjoy each others company here on earth and later in hell .
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Daniel Cohen, it seems you have been exposed as a true Israeli spy! Now will, the rest of the sheep continue to follow you?
Jonathon Blakeley
July 26, 2012 at 2:35 pm
We don’t care whether Daniel is an Israeli Spy or from Mars all we care about is whether he writes an interesting article.
Yes Daniel you are correct there is no point wasting your time with L & K, they have all the answers and insults too.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 9:11 pm
great decision — i subscribe
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm
i also.
Jonathon Blakeley
July 26, 2012 at 2:39 pm
boycott their next threads
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:25 pm
YOU MAY GO TO HELL, YOU And your cohorts.
Deliberation is not proud of liars and criminals who support Shiite fascism.
Laanatullah alaikum waala deenekom al-Kazzab
fool me once...
July 25, 2012 at 10:57 pm
@Khalid
…and a rinky dinky doo to you too! bye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNnvPBokNs
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Since when evil heretics decide who goes to hell and who goes to paradize.
Do we have to believe in 12 gods and identify with the Hitler of Damascus in order to qualify for Paradise?
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 8:59 pm
daniel Cohen, عميل الموساد وابن القرعة والمتعة
الاسلام لم يقل لك سب الصحابة
الاسلام لم يقل لك مارس زنا المتعة
الاسلام لم يقل لك اعبد علي عباس والمهدي والبطيخ الاصفر
الاسلام لم يقل لك ان القرآن غير كامل وان القرآن الكامل موجود مع الامام المسردب في مفارة سامراء.
الاسلام لم يقل لك اكذب تحت يافطة التقية
الاسلام لم يقل لك اقتل اطفال سوريا
الاسلام لم يقل ان تسعة اعشار الدين في الكذب
الاسلام لم يقل لك ان علي هو رب الناس
الاسلام لم يقل لك ان علي هو ااذي يتحكم باابلاد والعباد.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:21 pm
AS A JOURNALIST, I KNOW HOW ISRAEL PLANNED TO INFILTRATE HEZBULLAH AND HAMAS WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD APPEAR AS FANATICAL SUPPORTERS BUT WHO ARE ACTUALLY WESTERNERS WORKING FOR THE MOSSAD.
I AM NEVER IMPRESSED WITH PEOPLE WHO SOUND MORE CATHOLIC THAN THE POPE.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I have long stopped paying attention to the ravings of one; will also stop feeding the other as well, although I must admit the latter was occasionally fun. Minimally though and the bottom line: a waste of time
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:31 pm
I should be proud that criminal liars and infrahumans don’t pay attention to my writings. Criminal liars are criminals, that is why societies get rid of them,the good for nothing.
God created me for a higher cause.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm
God created me for a higher task, I should be proud that criminal liars and infrahumans with no morality don’tread me.
Criminal liars are criminals, this is why societies get rid of them,the good for nothing.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Have you let a child loose with your password?
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Are you still willing to forgo your humanity and morality by siding with the Nazi regime in Damascus?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Khalid – I hate every single regime. It is only in your limited world that those who don’t buy your overt propaganda support ‘Nazi’ regimes.
Let me also say this: When the West, who have a history of cosying up to murderous regimes like Israel, start demonising regimes I want to know what is going on. It is patently clear that they don’t give a damn about ordinary Syrians and have murdered far more people than assad could ever dream of.
I do wish you’d grow up and act like a decent human being.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Iknow the evilness of the West too well, And I would never give it the benefit of the doubt.
But you people have been ganging up on me, accusing me of every conceivable vice in the dictionary, just because I reject the tyranny and criminality of the Assad regime.
Besides, since when respectable and sound-minded people defend nefarious regimes which murder and maim their people in order to stay in power?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 11:08 pm
KA: “Besides, since when respectable and sound-minded people defend nefarious regimes which murder and maim their people in order to stay in power?”
I really can’t help it that your world is so black and white ……
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:21 pm
It is not a matter of black and white; it is a matter of wrong and right.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Before preaching to me preach to yourself.
The moment you start distributing decency certificates to people, it means there is a big imbalance in your viw of yourself. You see the sawdust in my eye, but you don’t see the big plank in your eye.
You need a lot of soul-searching.
Besides, standing on the side of justice and humanity, doesn’t make a man indecent.
I think the opposite is true.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Where did I preach to you?
You have been behaving like a spoilt brat, the majority of your comments are puerile insults and slanderous accusations.
It is unfortunate that you sound like a speech writer for Benyamin Netanyahu when you start ranting about the “Hitler of Damascus”, and that you appear incapable of seeing that there are nuances in every story.
I don’t care whether you like me or not, I don’t have a lot of respect for your judgement or the way that you conduct yourself.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:39 pm
“I do wish you’d grow up and act like a decent human being.”
what do call this ranting? who hired you to distribute decency certidicates to people you even don’t know?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 11:47 pm
If you think you’ve behaved decently then your morality compass is broken.
I’m bored with you now…….
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Khalid Amayreh
July 26, 2012 at 12:07 am
It needs a moral person to understand what a morality compass is all about.
Obviously, one can’t give what one doesn’t have.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Al-Hamdullilah,the shipyard dogs of the Syrian regime have been silenced.
fool me once...
July 25, 2012 at 11:18 pm
woof woof!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE&feature=endscreen
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Activists: Syrian Sculptor Dies Under Assad Loyalist Torture
Syrian artist Wael Kaston has been murdered by government security forces, according to activists in Homs.
AAFont SizeBy Chana Ya’ar
First Publish: 7/25/2012, 5:24 PM
Syrian artist Wael Kaston
Syrian Expatriate Organization
Syrian artist Wael Issa Kaston has been murdered by government security forces, according to activists in Homs.
Kaston, a Christian, died under torture, noted the U.S.-based Syrian Expatriate Organization spokesperson Sawsan Jabri, who said the murder refutes the Assad “regime’s repeated claim that they protect the minorities.”
In a statement sent from West Bloomfield, Michigan, the organization wrote, “The village of Marmarita dressed in black last Sunday in a grief over the martyrdom of their son Wael Kaston, the Syrian sculptor, who was detained in a security branch in Homs and died under torture. His family received his body from a military hospital in Homs. Large crowds of people participated in his funeral from the town and neighboring villages.”
Born in the Homs suburb of Marmarita in 1966, Kaston was survived by his wife, Eva Allati and two sons, Yara, 12, and Nowar, age 7. “Rest in peace, Wael!” saluted a follower on the “Yalla Souriya” website.
His work was shown in a number of art galleries in the central Syrian city, in addition to special exhibitions held in 2009, 2010 and 2011. Much of his sculpture focused on themes relating to “freedom of women.”
The spokesman quoted the artist has having once said in an interview that “he would not prefer to work with ‘stone’ but loves ‘mud’ and wood’.’ The first is the human being because we emerge from mud, and return to the mud, and the ‘wood’ because it is the closest to us, born gently, reaches adolescence vigorously, [and] dies wisely…”
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 10:01 pm
For those who like going to the source, Khalid forgot to mention that he picked that up from Aritz Sheva7
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Roy Bard
“Khalid forgot to mention that he picked that up from Aritz Sheva7″
apparently he’s decided to stop pretending?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Whether he meant to or not, it didn’t do him any favours
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 25, 2012 at 10:21 pm
deLiberation obviously encourages debate of multiple pov.
There is nothing wrong with having a zionist point of view expressed, whether by pasting hasbara from the zionist media or personal opinion. It is preferable though that the source of the material be given proper attribution and the poster does not masquerade as a Palestinian rights activist. Otherwise deLib becomes confusing to the readers: is it serious or a joke? Is the joke intentional or the unfortunate result of excessive editorial permissiveness?
who_me
July 25, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Ariadna Theokopoulos
i agree wholeheartedly. very well said.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 10:44 pm
But it is wrong to pretend to be embracing Hezbullah while one is effectively carrying out a decidedly Zionist agenda.
This is called treason and perfidy.
We must expose all the cohens in order to sanitize sites contaminated by lies and maliciousness.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Besides, who said Deliberation must be a tribune for the fans of the Hitlerian regime in Damascus, which is exterminating its own citizens in order to stay in power?
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 10:56 pm
could your sponsors and handlers be a wrong source?
You spend hours and hours carrying their instructions. It seems you can easily recognize them. You must be very familiar with them, and you are not a journalist.
So what could you be then?
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 11:04 pm
If you mean I don’t work for the corporate media you are correct. However, I have been involved in running an open publishing news site for years.
I don’t know who my handlers and sources are, so they’re clearly not very effective.
So what could you be then?
An individual who likes to think for himself, and who isn’t interested in following anyone’s party line.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Stalin and Hitler and all other nefarious tyrants could have made the same arguments.
It is not enough to think for yourself.
If thinking for oneself were the ultimately right thing to do, then the world would have become problem-free.
One has to make sure that his or her thinking is correct and compatible with morality
It is amply clear that your ambivalent attitude toward evil is problematic to say the least.
Roy Bard
July 25, 2012 at 11:32 pm
s’funny – I always thought Hitler and Stalin were big on party lines…..
If your misbehaviour is an indication of your morality then I don’t want to be like you.
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:44 pm
you are just chewing words, the reason could be ignorance, arrogance, ill-will or lack of honesty, or all of the above.
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Well Well Well ! Whilst I was busy in a hot kitchen stirring Risoto for dinner to feed my ever hungry kids, who are home from uni/school, I can see that my “betters” on here have all outed each other as Mossad agents.
So now what do we do since it has been established that we are all working for Mossad?
Gilad plays a great Ha Va Nagila on Sax we can all sing along.
It’s bad enough I have to shout at my kids to turn that music down and other useful instructions that mums give out freely, without coming on here and finding … more kids!
etominusipi
July 25, 2012 at 11:35 pm
gefillte fish, anyone?
Laura Stuart
July 25, 2012 at 11:57 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tZyFtpNFE&feature=relmfu
fool me once...
July 25, 2012 at 11:51 pm
@Laura
“So now what do we do since it has been established that we are all working for Mossad?”
That’s funny, up to this moment Laura, the only people on this thread to write the word “mossad” are you and Kosher Khalid.
Strange innit?
Khalid Amayreh
July 25, 2012 at 11:56 pm
….and the ones who called us Zionist quizlings and Jews and gays …came from Mars!!!!
Khalid Amayreh
July 26, 2012 at 12:01 am
…and the people who called us Zionist quislings, just because we rject the crimes of the Hitler of Damascus, came from Mars!!!!!
Laura Stuart
July 26, 2012 at 12:04 am
Look what our brothers in Iran want to do to their brothers the Arabs
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Jul-24/181800-iran-warns-arabs-on-syria-intervention-report.ashx#axzz21d40TNF4
fool me once...
July 26, 2012 at 12:08 am
MARS!!!
Okkkkkk I heard you the first time!
Khalid Amayreh
July 26, 2012 at 12:22 am
your problem is not one of hearing, but understanding!
Roy Bard
July 26, 2012 at 12:55 am
And now for a brief musical interlude……
Khalid Amayreh
July 26, 2012 at 12:12 am
I said ad nauseam that Iran is only using Israel as a red herring to spread shiite hegemony at the expense of Sunni Muslims.
Laura Stuart
July 26, 2012 at 12:55 am
As usual Palestinians have to suffer more than anyone else. It is not true that Palestinians have not been targetted in Syria.
http://networkedblogs.com/AiaWe
Laura Stuart
July 26, 2012 at 1:01 am
A more suitable musical interlude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY0zGmd0LyQ
Roy Bard
July 30, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Maariv demolishes the claim in the article title:
Israel Stands to Gain From Assad’s Ouster
Ariadna Theokopoulos
July 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Aw, shucks!
who_me
July 30, 2012 at 8:20 pm
you spoiled all their fun, roy.
Alex
July 30, 2012 at 11:13 pm
The West delights at this prospect: ‘Palestinian refugees fighting away from Palestine!’
Posted by G, M, Z, or B at 9:04 AM