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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/conspiracies-cults-and-circularity/#comment-15553</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Language, the instrument of communication, like any other instrument, inevitably changes the material it works upon, namely perceived reality.
It organizes it, groups, edits, deletes and labels it.
The more limited the language the more circumscribed the perceived reality. Despite various obfuscations, your language shows an almost primitive (one could say reptilian brain-like) representation:
self - non-self; food - not food; monkeys - betters.
This is an (if not THE) essential hallmark of zionist perception and discourse: GOOD FOR THE JEWS (Israel) -- NOT GOOD for them.
Fully or partially aware of this, you dissimulate by misdirection, talking about &quot;complexity&quot;  versus your very own &quot;binary&quot; thinking, which you attribute to the others. 
The &quot;monkeys,&quot; you say, don&#039;t see the complexity you see from the top where you imagine yourself perched.
Language, however, betrays you: instead of cloaking your &quot;binary&quot; gestalt in &quot;complexity&quot; it leaves it bare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language, the instrument of communication, like any other instrument, inevitably changes the material it works upon, namely perceived reality.<br />
It organizes it, groups, edits, deletes and labels it.<br />
The more limited the language the more circumscribed the perceived reality. Despite various obfuscations, your language shows an almost primitive (one could say reptilian brain-like) representation:<br />
self &#8211; non-self; food &#8211; not food; monkeys &#8211; betters.<br />
This is an (if not THE) essential hallmark of zionist perception and discourse: GOOD FOR THE JEWS (Israel) &#8212; NOT GOOD for them.<br />
Fully or partially aware of this, you dissimulate by misdirection, talking about &#8220;complexity&#8221;  versus your very own &#8220;binary&#8221; thinking, which you attribute to the others.<br />
The &#8220;monkeys,&#8221; you say, don&#8217;t see the complexity you see from the top where you imagine yourself perched.<br />
Language, however, betrays you: instead of cloaking your &#8220;binary&#8221; gestalt in &#8220;complexity&#8221; it leaves it bare.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/conspiracies-cults-and-circularity/#comment-15540</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 04:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No interest in Afghanistan? Just how big does Eretz Israel plan to be?
Talk of the &quot;lost tribes&quot; being Pashtun is as credible as your BBC theory of 9/11 but it shows... &quot;interest&quot; doesn;t it?
 
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesAfghanistan.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No interest in Afghanistan? Just how big does Eretz Israel plan to be?<br />
Talk of the &#8220;lost tribes&#8221; being Pashtun is as credible as your BBC theory of 9/11 but it shows&#8230; &#8220;interest&#8221; doesn;t it?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesAfghanistan.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesAfghanistan.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/conspiracies-cults-and-circularity/#comment-15539</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;invading Afghanistan did not benefit Israel&quot;
No?
http://www.cacianalyst.org/?q=node/214/print]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;invading Afghanistan did not benefit Israel&#8221;<br />
No?<br />
<a href="http://www.cacianalyst.org/?q=node/214/print" rel="nofollow">http://www.cacianalyst.org/?q=node/214/print</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/conspiracies-cults-and-circularity/#comment-15538</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 04:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am disappointed. You let me down, jay. I expected a bit of sparkle and for once something fresh. I didn&#039;t call on you to perform like a trained seal: balance ball on the nose, raise &quot;Stalinist&quot; banner with your flipper, quick dive to the bottom of the pool, fetch the &quot;logic&quot; pebble.
You &quot;give Chomsky a hard time&quot;? Does the old zionist even know you exist? Is he losing lost of sleep over your &quot;hard time&quot;?
Language is not innate. The CAPACITY for learning it is. Feral children never speak. Chomsky didn&#039;t &quot;work it out&quot; by logic unless you mean that in the general sense in which we employ logic even when we make tea. There is inherent logic in the grammars of all languages, but that is another issue. For someone who trots out that name all the time you have a rather crude grasp of his work.
The only solace I derive from your post, for which I feel responsible, is that not a single one of the &quot;monkeys&quot; is able to do a proper caricature of you--you do it best every time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disappointed. You let me down, jay. I expected a bit of sparkle and for once something fresh. I didn&#8217;t call on you to perform like a trained seal: balance ball on the nose, raise &#8220;Stalinist&#8221; banner with your flipper, quick dive to the bottom of the pool, fetch the &#8220;logic&#8221; pebble.<br />
You &#8220;give Chomsky a hard time&#8221;? Does the old zionist even know you exist? Is he losing lost of sleep over your &#8220;hard time&#8221;?<br />
Language is not innate. The CAPACITY for learning it is. Feral children never speak. Chomsky didn&#8217;t &#8220;work it out&#8221; by logic unless you mean that in the general sense in which we employ logic even when we make tea. There is inherent logic in the grammars of all languages, but that is another issue. For someone who trots out that name all the time you have a rather crude grasp of his work.<br />
The only solace I derive from your post, for which I feel responsible, is that not a single one of the &#8220;monkeys&#8221; is able to do a proper caricature of you&#8211;you do it best every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Knott</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/conspiracies-cults-and-circularity/#comment-15537</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Knott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 02:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roy - &quot;How did 9/11 fit into the Iraq-Israel scenario? It provided the clarion call for the so-called war against terrorism. Without 9/11, the US had no excuse for invading Afghanistan.&quot;

Invading Afghanistan did not benefit Israel. Your argument isn&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;cui bono?&lt;/i&gt;.

&quot;Also, if the wall isn’t another land grab mechanism, why didn’t they just build it on the Green Line?&quot; - this is a Noam Chomsky logical fallacy. As I wrote, &quot;He employs the logical fallacy known as a &#039;false dichotomy&#039; to do this – pretending that the wall is &lt;i&gt;either&lt;/i&gt; for security &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; for robbing the Palestinians.&quot; - http://pacificaforum.org/mass/3

There is no connection between September 11th and the apartheid wall. The routine association of the two, endlessly repeated on this site, is a classic example of &lt;i&gt;post hoc ergo propter hoc&lt;/i&gt;. It was Andrew Mathis who first pointed this out - http://tinyurl.com/9vujvlc

But... he&#039;s officially a &#039;Zionist&#039;. In the Stalinist style of reasoning common on this site, this invalidates his use of formal logic.

I give Chomsky a hard time when he makes these errors, because he really understands logic - it&#039;s how he worked out that language is innate. I guess I should be more tolerant on this site, and avoid references to &#039;monkeys&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy &#8211; &#8220;How did 9/11 fit into the Iraq-Israel scenario? It provided the clarion call for the so-called war against terrorism. Without 9/11, the US had no excuse for invading Afghanistan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Invading Afghanistan did not benefit Israel. Your argument isn&#8217;t even <i>cui bono?</i>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, if the wall isn’t another land grab mechanism, why didn’t they just build it on the Green Line?&#8221; &#8211; this is a Noam Chomsky logical fallacy. As I wrote, &#8220;He employs the logical fallacy known as a &#8216;false dichotomy&#8217; to do this – pretending that the wall is <i>either</i> for security <i>or</i> for robbing the Palestinians.&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://pacificaforum.org/mass/3" rel="nofollow">http://pacificaforum.org/mass/3</a></p>
<p>There is no connection between September 11th and the apartheid wall. The routine association of the two, endlessly repeated on this site, is a classic example of <i>post hoc ergo propter hoc</i>. It was Andrew Mathis who first pointed this out &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/9vujvlc" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/9vujvlc</a></p>
<p>But&#8230; he&#8217;s officially a &#8216;Zionist&#8217;. In the Stalinist style of reasoning common on this site, this invalidates his use of formal logic.</p>
<p>I give Chomsky a hard time when he makes these errors, because he really understands logic &#8211; it&#8217;s how he worked out that language is innate. I guess I should be more tolerant on this site, and avoid references to &#8216;monkeys&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/conspiracies-cults-and-circularity/#comment-15288</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To say that I am gratified to see how much I have helped you to find your way towards a higher truth would not be saying half of what I feel. I cannot describe --not without the risk of being misunderstood -- the frisson coursing through me as I watch, as it were, the vibrating cilia of your comprehension stand erect, filled with new awareness.
Suffice it to say that I would like to have your permission to republish some of your posts (with due credit to you and deLib) as exemplars of an incipient understanding of logic beyond logic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that I am gratified to see how much I have helped you to find your way towards a higher truth would not be saying half of what I feel. I cannot describe &#8211;not without the risk of being misunderstood &#8212; the frisson coursing through me as I watch, as it were, the vibrating cilia of your comprehension stand erect, filled with new awareness.<br />
Suffice it to say that I would like to have your permission to republish some of your posts (with due credit to you and deLib) as exemplars of an incipient understanding of logic beyond logic.</p>
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		<title>By: pgg804</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a related issue, &quot;France Suspects Israel Murdered Arafat - Investigation Launched&quot;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9504492/Yasser-Arafat-murder-investigation-launched.html

Israel claims Eichmann did it.

Swiss also say Israelis killed Arafat:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/swiss-institute-finds-polonium-arafats-effects-223816830.html  

ADL say Swiss stole billions more than previously thought from Ann Frank, et al.  New lawsuits to be announced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related issue, &#8220;France Suspects Israel Murdered Arafat &#8211; Investigation Launched&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9504492/Yasser-Arafat-murder-investigation-launched.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9504492/Yasser-Arafat-murder-investigation-launched.html</a></p>
<p>Israel claims Eichmann did it.</p>
<p>Swiss also say Israelis killed Arafat:<br />
<a href="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/swiss-institute-finds-polonium-arafats-effects-223816830.html" rel="nofollow">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/swiss-institute-finds-polonium-arafats-effects-223816830.html</a>  </p>
<p>ADL say Swiss stole billions more than previously thought from Ann Frank, et al.  New lawsuits to be announced.</p>
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		<title>By: etominusipi</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/conspiracies-cults-and-circularity/#comment-15286</link>
		<dc:creator>etominusipi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ariadna, i cannot speak for Roy, but your penetrating analysis is allowing me to begin to see the error of my ways through certain chinks in the curtain of my former, unjustified, certainty. i&#039;m not sure i fully grasp what you are saying, as such a bold approach to truth is something i have only recently begun to see as a viable methodology.

but i don&#039;t want to appear smug. i like the fact that you are inclusive enough to see your hi-tech view and Jay&#039;s more Gandhian perspective as just two ends of a rather long spectrum of possibilities - just as all wavelengths correspond to light, even though most of that &#039;light&#039; is invisible &lt;i&gt; to us &lt;/i&gt;, so it must be that all views of 911 are equally true  (or untrue) even though most of them are immune to the laws of evidentiality and the laws of physics.

as you say so aptly, it is the emotion that matters. with mythopoeic events, logic and the hypothetico-deductive method are not merely irrelevant but positively misleading - just as it would be wrong to interpret the sacrament of the eucharist via a forensic study of bread and wine. the chemical composition is irrelevant, though the modern materialistic mind-set makes this truth difficult for people to see any more.

i will risk irritating readers with one more footnote. Dr Eugene Nagelstein, of the Southern Poverty Law Centre&#039;s Department of Historical Epistemology has recently come up with a concept of of &lt;i&gt;Transtemporal Validation&lt;/i&gt;. i won&#039;t digress to try and explain it here, but applied to 911 it would imply that Jay&#039;s Boxcutter version is relatively more valid than a hi-tech one, because if we conceive of the event as occurring at a random moment of historical time, it is simply &lt;i&gt;more probable&lt;/i&gt;, in the sense of the statistical thermodynamics of the historical process. 

say, for example, that 911 had occurred in the year 1066, and been used as a pretext for the Norman invasion of England. it would be absurd to claim that the twin towers had been brought down by nanothermite or mini-nukes, because at that epoch these technologies simply &lt;b&gt;did not exist&lt;/b&gt;!!! 

on the other hand, even at that early epoch, boxcutters, or &lt;i&gt; a kind of dagger with similar dimensions&lt;/i&gt;, could easily have been the crime weapon of choice with which to hijack the jets and smash them into the twin towers. 

likewise there could have been no involvement of Israel, since at that time Eretz Israel was a mere twinkle in the eye of Maimonedes&#039; great-great-great-grandmother, and most Ashkenazim had not yet migrated out of the Khazarian heartlands. thus Jay&#039;s Boxcutter is much more likely, by the anthropic principle.

i feel i have not explained this very well, but i cannot write down the relevant quantum-theoretical equations using the wordpress software. 

as Dr Nagelstein wittily remarked: &lt;i&gt; the Truth is a very big tent, but the toilets remain &lt;i&gt;outside&lt;/i&gt;. at the SPLC, incidentally - for reasons of ritual purity rather than mere hygiene - they have &lt;i&gt;four&lt;/i&gt; types of toilet, rather than the more usual two,  labelled, respectively &lt;b&gt;L, G, PN &lt;/b&gt;and &lt;b&gt;OG&lt;/b&gt;. the meaning of these mysterious kabbalistic letters are revealed in a missing verse* of the Basbylonian Talmud: &lt;b&gt;l&lt;/b&gt;adies, &lt;b&gt;g&lt;/b&gt;ents, &lt;b&gt;p&lt;/b&gt;oor &lt;b&gt;n&lt;/b&gt;iggas, and &lt;b&gt;o&lt;/b&gt;ther &lt;b&gt;g&lt;/b&gt;oyim, respectively.

*see Prof Yuri Bloch&#039;s recent book &lt;i&gt;the suppressed satanic verses of the southern poverty edition of the babylonian talmud&lt;/i&gt; Adelson Press, Las Vegas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariadna, i cannot speak for Roy, but your penetrating analysis is allowing me to begin to see the error of my ways through certain chinks in the curtain of my former, unjustified, certainty. i&#8217;m not sure i fully grasp what you are saying, as such a bold approach to truth is something i have only recently begun to see as a viable methodology.</p>
<p>but i don&#8217;t want to appear smug. i like the fact that you are inclusive enough to see your hi-tech view and Jay&#8217;s more Gandhian perspective as just two ends of a rather long spectrum of possibilities &#8211; just as all wavelengths correspond to light, even though most of that &#8216;light&#8217; is invisible <i> to us </i>, so it must be that all views of 911 are equally true  (or untrue) even though most of them are immune to the laws of evidentiality and the laws of physics.</p>
<p>as you say so aptly, it is the emotion that matters. with mythopoeic events, logic and the hypothetico-deductive method are not merely irrelevant but positively misleading &#8211; just as it would be wrong to interpret the sacrament of the eucharist via a forensic study of bread and wine. the chemical composition is irrelevant, though the modern materialistic mind-set makes this truth difficult for people to see any more.</p>
<p>i will risk irritating readers with one more footnote. Dr Eugene Nagelstein, of the Southern Poverty Law Centre&#8217;s Department of Historical Epistemology has recently come up with a concept of of <i>Transtemporal Validation</i>. i won&#8217;t digress to try and explain it here, but applied to 911 it would imply that Jay&#8217;s Boxcutter version is relatively more valid than a hi-tech one, because if we conceive of the event as occurring at a random moment of historical time, it is simply <i>more probable</i>, in the sense of the statistical thermodynamics of the historical process. </p>
<p>say, for example, that 911 had occurred in the year 1066, and been used as a pretext for the Norman invasion of England. it would be absurd to claim that the twin towers had been brought down by nanothermite or mini-nukes, because at that epoch these technologies simply <b>did not exist</b>!!! </p>
<p>on the other hand, even at that early epoch, boxcutters, or <i> a kind of dagger with similar dimensions</i>, could easily have been the crime weapon of choice with which to hijack the jets and smash them into the twin towers. </p>
<p>likewise there could have been no involvement of Israel, since at that time Eretz Israel was a mere twinkle in the eye of Maimonedes&#8217; great-great-great-grandmother, and most Ashkenazim had not yet migrated out of the Khazarian heartlands. thus Jay&#8217;s Boxcutter is much more likely, by the anthropic principle.</p>
<p>i feel i have not explained this very well, but i cannot write down the relevant quantum-theoretical equations using the wordpress software. </p>
<p>as Dr Nagelstein wittily remarked: <i> the Truth is a very big tent, but the toilets remain </i><i>outside</i>. at the SPLC, incidentally &#8211; for reasons of ritual purity rather than mere hygiene &#8211; they have <i>four</i> types of toilet, rather than the more usual two,  labelled, respectively <b>L, G, PN </b>and <b>OG</b>. the meaning of these mysterious kabbalistic letters are revealed in a missing verse* of the Basbylonian Talmud: <b>l</b>adies, <b>g</b>ents, <b>p</b>oor <b>n</b>iggas, and <b>o</b>ther <b>g</b>oyim, respectively.</p>
<p>*see Prof Yuri Bloch&#8217;s recent book <i>the suppressed satanic verses of the southern poverty edition of the babylonian talmud</i> Adelson Press, Las Vegas.</p>
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		<title>By: etominusipi</title>
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		<dc:creator>etominusipi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a generous, balanced comment Ariadna - didn&#039;t pay sufficient attention when i first read it two weeks ago.

although i am no psychologist may i timidly cite Jay&#039;s phrase:

&lt;b&gt;He reminds himself that the Devil has the best arguments.&lt;/b&gt; 

as another piece of evidence, albeit ambiguous, for your hypothesis that Jay is reaching out towards the truth  on this one. if so i salute his courage. we all have had to break through the barrier of powerful but unsupported assumptions about the nature of political reality. &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; BBC (&lt;i&gt;boxcutter bois conspiracy&lt;/i&gt;) is appealing precisely  because it is just what, in an ideal world, we would all have liked to have believed, just as that other, darker BBC (&lt;i&gt;the brutish broadcasting conspiracy&lt;/i&gt;) would like us to believe that Israel is a &#039;nice&#039; country, not a rogue state whose very foundations were laid by blackmail, bribery, terror and gangsterism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a generous, balanced comment Ariadna &#8211; didn&#8217;t pay sufficient attention when i first read it two weeks ago.</p>
<p>although i am no psychologist may i timidly cite Jay&#8217;s phrase:</p>
<p><b>He reminds himself that the Devil has the best arguments.</b> </p>
<p>as another piece of evidence, albeit ambiguous, for your hypothesis that Jay is reaching out towards the truth  on this one. if so i salute his courage. we all have had to break through the barrier of powerful but unsupported assumptions about the nature of political reality. <i>your</i> BBC (<i>boxcutter bois conspiracy</i>) is appealing precisely  because it is just what, in an ideal world, we would all have liked to have believed, just as that other, darker BBC (<i>the brutish broadcasting conspiracy</i>) would like us to believe that Israel is a &#8216;nice&#8217; country, not a rogue state whose very foundations were laid by blackmail, bribery, terror and gangsterism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for eto, his so-called arguments are childish and -- sorry to be blunt -- ignorant..
By saying that jay 
&quot;chooses the fallacious trajectory of arguing from predetermined conclusion (no Israel involvement), rather than looking for facts and letting them lead him where they may.&quot; 
eto is saying that human minds can operate without the aid of basic assumptions/axioms.
Imagine a world in which you cannot count, have no certainty that 2 + 2 = 4, regard every sunrise as an aleatory, not likely to be soon repeated event, and don&#039;t even know to which tribe you belong because you don&#039;t even have the concept of &#039;tribe.&quot; Horrible exercise of imagination.
&#039;No Israeli involvement&#039; is such an axiom, although eto&#039;s mind is incapable of wrapping itself around it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for eto, his so-called arguments are childish and &#8212; sorry to be blunt &#8212; ignorant..<br />
By saying that jay<br />
&#8220;chooses the fallacious trajectory of arguing from predetermined conclusion (no Israel involvement), rather than looking for facts and letting them lead him where they may.&#8221;<br />
eto is saying that human minds can operate without the aid of basic assumptions/axioms.<br />
Imagine a world in which you cannot count, have no certainty that 2 + 2 = 4, regard every sunrise as an aleatory, not likely to be soon repeated event, and don&#8217;t even know to which tribe you belong because you don&#8217;t even have the concept of &#8216;tribe.&#8221; Horrible exercise of imagination.<br />
&#8216;No Israeli involvement&#8217; is such an axiom, although eto&#8217;s mind is incapable of wrapping itself around it.</p>
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