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Cutting Freedoms: Muslims, Jews unite against German circumcision ban

Published on Aug 26, 2012 by RussiaToday
Amid growing talk of a crisis of intolerance in Europe, another scandal flares up in Germany after a rabbi was charged for performing a circumcision. That’s after a regional court in Cologne banned religious circumcision under a new law. It caused outrage among Jews and Muslims worldwide, accusing the authorities of infringing on religious freedom. For more on the story RT talks to Rabbi Josh Spinner, CEO of The Ronald S. Lauder Foundation.

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6 Responses to Cutting Freedoms: Muslims, Jews unite against German circumcision ban

  1. Blake August 26, 2012 at 10:42 pm #

    The case involved a doctor who carried out a circumcision on a four-year-old that led to medical complications.The court said that a child’s right to physical integrity trumped religious and parental rights.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18833145

    Israel Ambulatory Pediatric Association calls to stop ‘oral suction’ technique used by circumcisers during circumcision rite. Mohels: ‘They’re not after child’s best interest; they’re against circumcision’

  2. who_me August 27, 2012 at 1:40 am #

    i believe the classical greeks had imposed a circumcision ban in palestine during their brief rule there. according to their philosophy, the human body was considered sacred and that chopping bits off was considered sacrilege. the human body was a temple and and mortals changing it was considered sacrilegious. or something like that.

    quite the opposite of claiming foreskin chopping was a religious requirement. :D

    i got to say, the rabbis who suck the blood off the infant’s willies are beyond strange. there is no other way to put it, but that is really f’d up. that puts kiddie fiddling catholic priests to shame in the perversion hall of infame (even the nyc and philly sorts).

    the sensible compromise here would be to prevent children being mutilated, but allow the procedure among adults.

    if some group decided it was their religion to lop off a person’s ear lobes in infancy, or tattooing some symbol on their forehead, allowing them to do this to kids would be considered abuse. just because a willie usually is not displayed in public in backward western society, it doesn’t mean children should have to submit to having alterations done to it, any more than to their ears, face or whatever.

    the muslims were brought “on board” to give the protesting legitimacy, to make it something other than a “jew thing”. the people raising the stinks are islamophobic jews who want their child abusing “specialness” ordained as sacred law to be observed by all. like everything else jp wants.

  3. pgg804 August 27, 2012 at 2:33 pm #

    ‘The muslims were brought “on board” to give the protesting legitimacy, to make it something other than a “jew thing”.’ Exactly correct. Muslims have no say in Germany, while Jews in conjunction with Germany’s former WW II enemies run Germany in the areas they want to exert control.

    The same thing is done in every area where Jews had an important say; reduce or make it appear it was not about them. When a certain Dr. Dean Edel (who is Jewish) criticized male circumcision in the USA a few years ago, he discussed its use by Muslims and included allusions to backward practices by Muslims when he criticized female genital mutilation in Muslim culture, while he ignored its use by Jews. He is a critic of male circumcision and is obviously aware of its use in the Jewish religion, but he wanted to connect it to Islam since he considers it primitive and cruel.

    A more interesting discussion would be how circumcision became standard in the USA, which is the only western country to use the practice on all boys and its done for non-religious reasons. If this topic is ever addressed, I would expect it to focus on the prevalence of Muslim doctors in the USA (tongue in cheek) and their influence on how this became the practice.

    Another point this controversy brings up is how multiculturalism’s proponents force Europe to accept large numbers of foreigners in their countries, or else they are accused of racism, while this controversy shows European countries must not only accept foreigners, but accept their ways, even if they consider a particular practice barbaric.

    This commentary by historian Mark Weber makes the discussion of multiculturalism particularly interesting. He wrote ‘In an article headlined “Breed War Strain Out of Germans” in the New York daily newspaper P.M., January 4, 1943, Ernest Hooton laid out an “outbreeding” plan that would “destroy German nationalism and aggressive ideology while retaining and perpetuating desirable German biological and sociological capacities.” (See also: Benjamin Colby, ‘Twas a Famous Victory, 1974, p. 131.)

    The Harvard University professor’s proposal called for genetically transforming the German nation by encouraging mating of German women with non-German men, who would be brought into the country in large numbers, and of German men, forcibly held outside of Germany, with non-German women. Ten to twelve million German men would be assigned to forced labor under Allied supervision in countries outside of Germany to rebuild their economies. “The objects of this measure,” wrote Dr. Hooton, “include reduction of the birthrate of ‘pure’ Germans, neutralization of German aggressiveness by outbreeding and denationalization of indoctrinated individuals.”‘

    The plan has worked very well. Germans are the least nationalistic country in the world, where the law requires its citizens believe they are a country of the worst mass murderers the world has ever seen and Germany’s birthrate has been declining for years, while its not uncommon for Germans to say “the Germans are dying out” without a trace of regret.

  4. Jonathon Blakeley August 27, 2012 at 6:53 pm #

    Circumcision should require consent – of a boy no younger than 16 + I guess. BUt TBH i think it would be best to pack it in, along with stoning, be-heading and hanging.

  5. Jonathon Blakeley August 27, 2012 at 6:56 pm #

    If the Jews did not have circumcision to enforce on their young, and if the Holcaust was exagerated what would they have? Nothing but the “right of return” to a country that does not belong to them.

    • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 27, 2012 at 8:49 pm #

      Worried about the trend of declining circumcisions in the US, the AAP, under the wise jewish leadership of Dr. Robert Block has issues its foreskinophobic directions:

      ” A new policy statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics(AAP) is likely to throw fuel on the fiery controversy surrounding male infant circumcision.
      The AAP’s statement touts the medical benefits of circumcisionwhile stopping short of recommending the procedure, which opponents decry as painful and unnecessary. For instance, new research has found that circumcision lowers the risk of acquiringsexually transmitted infections, including HIV, genital herpes, human papillomavirus and syphilis.
      Circumcision seems to be on the decline in the United States (a 2005 Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality study put the rate at about 56 percent), but the practice has long religious and cultural roots.”

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