Boycott the twins Turkey and Israel
by Daniel Mabsout
Monday, August 6th, 2012
Boycott Erdogan
Turkey is a special case no doubt , for so long it has been trained by the world order. A country that is neither western nor eastern , and that is not both also. A country that is not really Muslim and not non Muslim . A country that has chosen –compelled or not – to loose its identity and to become hanging in nowhere .
After opting for relinquishing its eastern identity and its religious belonging , Turkey did not become for this much a western country , it remained on the waiting list of the European establishment .The European countries will not let Turkey in nor would give Turkey a categorical No concerning its joining the European community , a No that would have made Turkey look for other alternatives . No, Turkey was to remain in the middle of nowhere waiting for others to decide its fate and this is maybe what made leader .- late PM Najem el Din Arbakan – start -in the eighties- in Turkey -an Islamic party with Islamic tendencies to give his country the required identity and orientation .
Meanwhile Turkey is still waiting by the door of the European establishment to join the assembly of the great Europeans but is still denied entrance. It is probably by following such policy that the world order succeeded in subjugating a country that was supposed to be sovereign , for Turkey was considered to be a good catch, and in order not to have this subjugation restricted to people in power, the world order extended it to the whole of society and for this a strong powerful army was needed , an army that could have a final say in many things in the secular country that Turkey has become.
Through the army a whole population was thus subjugated with the exception of few like the Kurds and maybe some other groups . Turkey –therefore –became the dutiful servant of the masters in power , and it rendered great services to these masters, not the least of them was serving the state of Israel since it was the first Muslim country not only to establish relations with Israel but to take Israel fully in charge including full cooperation at all levels , diplomatic , military , intelligent , economic, cultural and other . This relation goes back to 1949 . Like twin brothers Israel and Turkey grew together and learned from each other and developed these unbreakable ties under the supervision of the super powers . The empowered Turkish army made sure this relation would not be questioned at any level. It maintained it and guarded it against all odds .
Turkey has remained this way over many decades , it grew to become an oppressive power but-in no way -an independent one .It is a fact that there is no admittance to the European circle because this is not the way the world order could be served best . Has Turkey undergone an awakening that brought Erdogan to power and alienated the Turkish military power ? Not at all . Things that started moving with Arbakan were back to their previous state when Erdogan became ruler, and what is required from Turkey now is not to remain the secular military aggressive strong ally of Israel but to become the Sunni Muslim Ottoman of the late Empire, a power that can polarize Arabs and Muslims -of a certain sect- under the banner of a Palestine that is not exclusive of Israel . All this because the scheme of the world order had changed from promoting secularism checked by a strong army to promoting Islamism attached to a certain sect .
It is the future and safety of Israel –the long term irreplaceable ally of Turkey – that required such a change as well as the tug of war with powerful and strong Iran –the real threat to Israel and USA. It became necessary to draw Iran into sectarian conflicts in order to assure the safety of Israel. For this there was no need for a secular army but for a moderate Islam that uses fanatic thugs who are trained to be sectarian haters .These are the thugs of multiple nationalities that we are meeting right now in Syria, introduced by thousands from Turkey after being trained and armed by the CIA and the Turkish army . This whole trip of Turkey and Islam and Arab springs and Syria and Palestine is nothing but a war declared on the Islamic Republic of Iran and on its allies : the Lebanese Resistance and Syria.. There is no Islamic awakening in Turkey , there is just a change in the agenda of the World order
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who_me
August 6, 2012 at 3:43 am
yeah, erdogan seemed to show some independence after the israeli pirate attack on the mavi marmara convoy, but he quickly retreated and has proven to be just another puppet leader representing jp/nwo interests.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
August 6, 2012 at 6:35 am
One may wonder if it was really a show of independence or a petulant demand for respect from what he foolishly considered his peers: Israel and the US.
He was among those Turks who was enjoying a delirious dream of a revival of Ottoman glory, and leadership of the muslim/Arab countries while at the same time “partnering” with the big predators.
who_me
August 6, 2012 at 6:37 am
good point. i hadn’t thought of that aspect.
Blake
August 7, 2012 at 4:31 am
Could have sworn I left a comment on here re that mavi mamara attack. Perhaps it was moderated?!
who_me
August 6, 2012 at 6:35 am
an interesting deconstruction of a propaganda piece from the nyt about a recent incident in turkey:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/08/why-does-the-nyt-conflate-alevis-and-alawites.html
Why Does The NYT Conflate Alevis And Alawites?
“Today the New York Times reports on a sectarian incident in Turkey. But its reporter Jeffrey Gettleman gets the issue so very much wrong that one wonders if there is a darker intend behind this piece:
The ill will had been brewing for days, ever since the Evli family chased away a drummer who had been trying to rouse people to a predawn Ramadan feast. The Evlis are Alawite, a historically persecuted minority sect of Islam, and also the sect of Syria’s embattled leaders, and many Alawites do not follow Islamic traditions like fasting for Ramadan.
The mob began to hurl insults. Then rocks.
“Death to Alawites!” they shouted. “We’re going to burn you all down!”
First: It is unclear if the Evli family really chased the drummer away. The Turkish paper Huriyett is carefully qualifying that as “alleged”. Its report is much less sensationalized:
Members of the Evli family in the Sürgü village of the southeastern Malatya province allegedly asked a Ramadan drummer not to drum in front of their home the night of July 28 as they were not fasting and had work early in the morning. The two sides quarreled after the drummer rejected the family’s request.
Second: The Evli family is of Alevi believe, not Alawite and that is a quite big difference:
Alawis are distinct from the Alevi religious sect in Turkey, although the terms share similar etymologies.
Third: Where did Gettleman get the quote “Death to Alawites!”? Hurriyet reports the incident differently:
News of the incident was heard throughout the village and a mob of around 60 people gathered in front of the Evli family’s house yesterday. The group hurled stones at the family’s home and said the family members were “Kurds and Alevis.”
there is a lot more to the story at the link.
an lesson on how the jewish run msm reporting is so far from reality as to be totally useless for real information. instead is to find out what rich, mostly jewish oligarchs want the public to get riled up about.
Laura Stuart
August 6, 2012 at 7:07 am
More hate and propaganda.
I do not believe Turkish people or government are at all interested in moving closer to Europe, they made it clear years ago that they want to move closer to the Muslim world. However, for Erdogan to loosen the power that the military had over Turkey it helped them to adopt the measures prescribed for them to move towards acceptance into the EU.
Erdogan had a very closed relationship with Iran and Syria, visas were scrapped and Turkey was formulating a plan and even signed a deal with Iran about its nuclear fuel program which USA rejected.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2010/may/17/iran-brazil-turkey-nuclear
Erodgan attended Ashura celebrations in a show of non sectarianism, he made a point of showing non sectariansim.
http://muharram.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=7bd8487ff800ff1829df
Really deLiberation is a joke with its one sided articles full of hate for any country any leader or any poster who doesn’t agree with ousting Assad.
Ariadna Theokopoulos
August 6, 2012 at 7:22 am
“Really deLiberation is a joke with its one sided articles full of hate for any country any leader or any poster who doesn’t agree with ousting Assad.”
If you feel this way, what does your obdurate persistence to be part of such a noxious environment mean: unflinching optimism that you can educate us or what?
Alex
August 6, 2012 at 8:17 am
Laura Stuart
August 6, 2012 at 11:03 am
The family were not fasting so they didn’t want to be woken up by the noise.
Fasting is a fard meaning a command which is compulsory in Islam, like praying.
It is like the Israelis who do not want the athan to be called from the al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem because it disturbs their sleep.
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/analysis/middle-east/11816-qisraelq-is-trying-to-ban-azaan-at-al-aqsa.
Alex
August 6, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Damascene ‘master stroke’
Laura Stuart
August 6, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Where Islam is the over riding factor Kurds and Turks are united. I have seen Turks and Kurds working together in the IHH charity which is an Islamic charity and there is no difference between them. The PKK is communist.
In London and the UK in general we have Muslims from every nation all united together in the mosques. My friends come from many different countries and it is nice to experience different cultures, different ways of cooking, different languages but we all pray the same, we all fast Ramadan together and haj is the best example of millions of people all equal performing the same ritual.
We have Chinese, Nigerian, Seychelles, Mauritius, Kenya, in fact we have dozens of nationalities in our mosque including reverts from Latvia, Russia, Poland and all of eastern Europe including Macedonia etc.
We also have some shia who come and break the fast with us and regularly pray with us but we also have some who come to the mosque and then do not join our rows of prayer or follow the Imam, that is sad. One of the best things about Islam is I can go to any country and enter a mosque and follow the prayers as they are in Arabic and feel totally one with Muslims from Morocco to Indonesia.
Daniel Mabsout
August 6, 2012 at 3:28 pm
i am happy for you if you can sneak in all the Mosques from Morocco to Indonesia . This makes your job much easier i guess . Be careful that they do not catch you because they will probably flag you and you don’t this to happen .Do you?
Daniel Mabsout
August 6, 2012 at 3:34 pm
you think people are stupid or what LS?, you are cheating us , why you deny the truth that Turkey wants to join EU and has promised its people to become EU member? why you deny the truth and keep on cheating ? and why do you comment on my post before posting the information you have about me , i am still waiting for what you have to show.
Alex
August 6, 2012 at 4:00 pm
“I have seen Turks and Kurds working together in the IHH charity which is an Islamic charity and there is no difference between them. The PKK is communist.”
But Laura, haven’t seen hundreds of Kurd’s villages razed the same way Zionist’s did in Palestine and still doing
who_me
August 6, 2012 at 7:58 pm
more israeli sponsored terrorism:
http://www.rt.com/news/blast-grozny-suicide-chechnya-967/
Bomb blast hits Chechen capital, several people killed
Ariadna Theokopoulos
August 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm
The surprise of that is only that it took so long. Putin has exasperated Israel at the UN for a while now. In Israel’s defense I can speculate that they were too busy with Syria
who_me
August 6, 2012 at 8:19 pm
there have been several stories of terrorist busts in russian media in the last month. it’s likely there would have been more of these israeli sponsored terrorist acts had those busts not taken place. i agree, russian recalcitrance probably inspired israel to step up their persuasion/revenge efforts in that country.
china should probably expect the same jp effort.
who_me
August 8, 2012 at 5:00 am
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2012/08/07/barak-confidant-israel-has-decided-to-attack/
“Former Labor party minister, Uzi Baram, wrote a column in Yisrael HaYom today that urges Israel’s leadership to tell the people clearly what lies in store when they execute an expected attack on Iran. What is most striking about the article is this:
Recently, I’ve come to believe that the leaders of the State have decided to act [attack Iran].
A trusted Israeli source tells me that Baram learned this from none other than a close confidant of Ehud Barak. In other words, Barak has begun to tell his closest friends that Israel is going to war. Before hearing this, I thought chances of an Israeli attack were 70-30. Now I believe they are 85-15.
Another interesting focus of Baram’s article is the economic fallout that such an attack will generate. Though he speaks in terms familiar to anyone who’s read Meir Dagan’s warnings on this subject, the columnist focuses specifically on economic issues. He warns a strike will bring an end to international investment in Israeli business and a halt to the flourishing tourism industry:
Every Israeli citizen should know that what has been will not be in the future…It will mean the end of today’s Israel.
…It’s no secret what will happen. If we attack, the Iranians will respond in kind. The western and Muslim world, including Iran’s allies and enemies, will tighten the “siege belt” around us.
In effect, Baram is warning that a BDS-like state of siege will descend on Israel. It won’t be fueled by moral arguments against Occupation as the current BDS movement is. It will be fueled by an even more potent fuel: outrage at Israel’s aggression against Iran.”
who_me
August 8, 2012 at 10:26 am
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/08/07/after-months-of-meddling-syrian-civil-war-looks-like-worst-case-scenario-for-turkey/
“Meanwhile Turkey has alienated its long-time ally, the Assad regime, and is also now in a major rift with Iran, which the Erdogan government had been trying to improve ties with for years.”
the israelis will have turkey carved up for thanksgiving dinner, thanks to the quislings running that country.
who_me
August 16, 2012 at 11:59 pm
the zionazis suckered turkey:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2012/08/14/push-ignite-turkish-civil-war-through-syrian-quagmire.html
“Turkey itself is a major target for destabilization, upheaval, and finally balkanization through its participation in the US-led siege against Syria. Ankara has burned its bridges in Syria for the sake of its failing neo-Ottoman regional policy. The Turkish government has actively pursued regime change, spied on Syria for NATO and Israel, violated Syrian sovereignty, supported acts of terrorism and lawlessness, and provided logistical support for the insurgency inside Syria.
Any chances of seeing some form of Turkish regional leadership under neo-Ottomanism have faded. Turkey’s southern borders have been transformed into intelligence and logistical hubs for the CIA and the Mossad in the process, complete with an intelligence «nerve centre» in the Turkish city of Adana. Despite Turkey’s denials, reports about Adana are undeniable and Turkish officers have also been apprehended in covert military operations against the Syrian Arab Republic. The Turkish Labour Party has even demanded that the US General Consul in Adana be deported for «masterminding and leading the activities of Syrian terrorists». Mehmet Ali Ediboglu and Mevlut Dudu, two Turkish MPs, have also testified that foreign fighters have been renting homes on Turkey’s border with Syria and that Turkish ambulances have been helping smuggle weapons for the insurgents inside Syria.
Turkish Regional Isolation
If the Syrian state collapses, neighbouring Turkey will be the biggest loser. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his government are foolishly aligning Turkey for disaster. Aside from Ankara’s historically bad relations with Armenia, Erdogan has managed to singlehandedly alienate Russia and three of Turkey’s most important neighbours. This has damaged the Turkish economy and disrupted the flow of Turkish goods. There have been clamp downs on activists too in connection with Turkey’s policy against Damascus. The freedom of the Turkish media has been affected as well; Erdogan has moved forward with legislation to restrict media freedoms. Prime Minister Erdogan and Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu have even both attacked «reporters who quoted President Assad’s statements in Cumhuriyet, accusing them of treason, because they had questioned the official Turkish account of the Turkish jet shot down by in Syria [for spying]»….”