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		<title>By: who_me</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/assange-stalemate-at-ecuadorian-embassy/#comment-14869</link>
		<dc:creator>who_me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jay finally realised his stalinist troll was making him the butt of humour here. the boy is quick, gotta give him that. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jay finally realised his stalinist troll was making him the butt of humour here. the boy is quick, gotta give him that. <img src='http://www.deliberation.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jay Knott</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/assange-stalemate-at-ecuadorian-embassy/#comment-14864</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Knott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And BTW, I&#039;m not saying you, or anyone, is a Stalinist. It&#039;s an &lt;i&gt;analogy&lt;/i&gt; which I use to compare the destructive effects of Stalin&#039;s paranoia on the communists in the thirties, with the similarly destructive effects of modern conspiracy theories on Palestine solidarity. An &#039;analogy&#039; is where you say one thing is LIKE another, not IDENTICAL TO it. In the UK, you have the Jewish-dominated PSC on the one hand, and the conspiracy nuts on the other. Depressing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And BTW, I&#8217;m not saying you, or anyone, is a Stalinist. It&#8217;s an <i>analogy</i> which I use to compare the destructive effects of Stalin&#8217;s paranoia on the communists in the thirties, with the similarly destructive effects of modern conspiracy theories on Palestine solidarity. An &#8216;analogy&#8217; is where you say one thing is LIKE another, not IDENTICAL TO it. In the UK, you have the Jewish-dominated PSC on the one hand, and the conspiracy nuts on the other. Depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Knott</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/assange-stalemate-at-ecuadorian-embassy/#comment-14862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Knott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just conspiracy mania which is undermining support for Assange. Feminism is another weapon against solidarity: 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/20/occupy-london-dilemma-julian-assange

The example I quoted from the &lt;i&gt;Guardian&lt;/i&gt; may not agree with your analysis of Israel, or mine, but that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s planted. You need to learn to test your theory against the evidence, not vice-versa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just conspiracy mania which is undermining support for Assange. Feminism is another weapon against solidarity:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/20/occupy-london-dilemma-julian-assange" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/20/occupy-london-dilemma-julian-assange</a></p>
<p>The example I quoted from the <i>Guardian</i> may not agree with your analysis of Israel, or mine, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s planted. You need to learn to test your theory against the evidence, not vice-versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/assange-stalemate-at-ecuadorian-embassy/#comment-14840</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Perhaps that’s because there isn’t much in secret American files about it. It’s not a secret – the Lobby in the USA operates more or less in the open. Contrary to what some of the commenters allege, Wikileaks has published material detrimental to Israeli interests – see this from the Guardian for example – http://tinyurl.com/5v9885e&quot;

1. It&#039;s not &quot;American files&quot; -- it is diplomatic cables mostly and here you have us believe that the diplomatic chatter had time for what kinds of pills Christina Kirchner takes or whatever other NON-news about all other countries and never once gossiped about the chosen navel of the universe?  Never once about the most grobian of all statesmen?!?
2. Your example from the Guardian is unfortunate for your thesis--looks more like a plant than even the MSM planted articles---it is ALL bout the PA, in the vein of &#039;let&#039;s not blame Israel for stealing land and moving people, it&#039;s the PA insisting they do it. &#039;
That&#039;s a hasbarat™ line, Jay, take it from a stalinist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps that’s because there isn’t much in secret American files about it. It’s not a secret – the Lobby in the USA operates more or less in the open. Contrary to what some of the commenters allege, Wikileaks has published material detrimental to Israeli interests – see this from the Guardian for example – <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5v9885e" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5v9885e</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s not &#8220;American files&#8221; &#8212; it is diplomatic cables mostly and here you have us believe that the diplomatic chatter had time for what kinds of pills Christina Kirchner takes or whatever other NON-news about all other countries and never once gossiped about the chosen navel of the universe?  Never once about the most grobian of all statesmen?!?<br />
2. Your example from the Guardian is unfortunate for your thesis&#8211;looks more like a plant than even the MSM planted articles&#8212;it is ALL bout the PA, in the vein of &#8216;let&#8217;s not blame Israel for stealing land and moving people, it&#8217;s the PA insisting they do it. &#8216;<br />
That&#8217;s a hasbarat™ line, Jay, take it from a stalinist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon Blakeley</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/assange-stalemate-at-ecuadorian-embassy/#comment-14838</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon Blakeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey I am still open minded about Julian. But he is terrible public speaker

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is unity in the oppression. There must be absolute unity and determination in the response. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I don&#039;t find this a very motivational.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I am still open minded about Julian. But he is terrible public speaker</p>
<blockquote><p>There is unity in the oppression. There must be absolute unity and determination in the response. </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t find this a very motivational.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Knott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Knott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is unity in the oppression. There must be absolute unity and determination in the response.&quot; - Julian Assange, from the Ecuadorian embassy - http://tinyurl.com/9flffux

I&#039;m glad not everyone on deliberation.info thinks Julian Assange is &lt;i&gt;&#039;controlled opposition&#039;&lt;/i&gt; just because he doesn&#039;t agree with every detail of their analysis of the world, as some articles, and in particular, comments, have:

http://www.deliberation.info/assange-patsy-fool

Contrary to what some of the commenters allege, Wikileaks has published material detrimental to Israeli interests - see this from the &lt;i&gt;Guardian&lt;/i&gt; for example - http://tinyurl.com/5v9885e - But it hasn&#039;t made exposing Israel or Jewish power a priority. Perhaps that&#039;s because there isn&#039;t much in secret American files about it. It&#039;s not a secret - the Lobby in the USA operates more or less in the open.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is unity in the oppression. There must be absolute unity and determination in the response.&#8221; &#8211; Julian Assange, from the Ecuadorian embassy &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/9flffux" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/9flffux</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad not everyone on deliberation.info thinks Julian Assange is <i>&#8216;controlled opposition&#8217;</i> just because he doesn&#8217;t agree with every detail of their analysis of the world, as some articles, and in particular, comments, have:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deliberation.info/assange-patsy-fool" rel="nofollow">http://www.deliberation.info/assange-patsy-fool</a></p>
<p>Contrary to what some of the commenters allege, Wikileaks has published material detrimental to Israeli interests &#8211; see this from the <i>Guardian</i> for example &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5v9885e" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5v9885e</a> &#8211; But it hasn&#8217;t made exposing Israel or Jewish power a priority. Perhaps that&#8217;s because there isn&#8217;t much in secret American files about it. It&#8217;s not a secret &#8211; the Lobby in the USA operates more or less in the open.</p>
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