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		<title>By: etominusipi</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-14285</link>
		<dc:creator>etominusipi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barb, you have a point, but i would respectfully present three poached red herrings from the Pool of Fallacious Mentation to place in the opposite balance pan of the Libran scales of Justice, together with a final consideration in favour of your reaction.

(1) the law is, after all, not about aesthetics judgements, though a transportation company may have its own guidelines. the question of the nature of such guidelines and/or the manner in which they are imposed might in some cases be the legitimate subject for legal enquiry.

there are limits imposed via a concept of &lt;i&gt;public decency&lt;/i&gt;, any such limits are liable to become - and in a healthy &#039;democracy&#039; should become - the subjects of lively debate, even controversy.  for the best balance between opposing demands any such limits need flexibility, require sagacity in application, and should not be used either to control or shut down public discussions, or to operate in favour of or against the special interests of any social sub-group. of course, it has been quite reasonably claimed that the very institutions of law operate against the special and very particular interests of the criminal fraternity, but that somewhat complex matter requires separate discussion.

(2) some might find it &lt;i&gt;creepy&lt;/i&gt; to refer to people as &#039;savages&#039;. one (wo)man&#039;s &lt;i&gt;jeepers!&lt;/i&gt; is another (wo)man&#039;s &lt;i&gt;creepers!&lt;/i&gt;

(3) in a crazy world where our taxes fund hi-tech megadeath, an occasional &lt;i&gt;memento mori&lt;/i&gt; may not be entirely out of place. i think the ad should just have been run for Hallow&#039;een (if they have that in Ann Arbor).

(4) on the other hand, and perhaps this is one of the points you are making, if the effect of the ad were to associate the idea of justice in Palestine with unpalatable images, then the campaign itself would backfire. 

in such a case, curiously, might it not have been more &#039;judicious&#039; for those who oppose justice in Palestine to have allowed the ad to run?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barb, you have a point, but i would respectfully present three poached red herrings from the Pool of Fallacious Mentation to place in the opposite balance pan of the Libran scales of Justice, together with a final consideration in favour of your reaction.</p>
<p>(1) the law is, after all, not about aesthetics judgements, though a transportation company may have its own guidelines. the question of the nature of such guidelines and/or the manner in which they are imposed might in some cases be the legitimate subject for legal enquiry.</p>
<p>there are limits imposed via a concept of <i>public decency</i>, any such limits are liable to become &#8211; and in a healthy &#8216;democracy&#8217; should become &#8211; the subjects of lively debate, even controversy.  for the best balance between opposing demands any such limits need flexibility, require sagacity in application, and should not be used either to control or shut down public discussions, or to operate in favour of or against the special interests of any social sub-group. of course, it has been quite reasonably claimed that the very institutions of law operate against the special and very particular interests of the criminal fraternity, but that somewhat complex matter requires separate discussion.</p>
<p>(2) some might find it <i>creepy</i> to refer to people as &#8216;savages&#8217;. one (wo)man&#8217;s <i>jeepers!</i> is another (wo)man&#8217;s <i>creepers!</i></p>
<p>(3) in a crazy world where our taxes fund hi-tech megadeath, an occasional <i>memento mori</i> may not be entirely out of place. i think the ad should just have been run for Hallow&#8217;een (if they have that in Ann Arbor).</p>
<p>(4) on the other hand, and perhaps this is one of the points you are making, if the effect of the ad were to associate the idea of justice in Palestine with unpalatable images, then the campaign itself would backfire. </p>
<p>in such a case, curiously, might it not have been more &#8216;judicious&#8217; for those who oppose justice in Palestine to have allowed the ad to run?</p>
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		<title>By: Barb Weir</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-14278</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotta tell ya that this analysis totally ignores the creepiness factor of the Ann Arbor ad.  If it were promoting chewing gum it might easily get rejected.  Who wants to look at that the whole time they&#039;re on the bus?

Someone is overlooking some strategic options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta tell ya that this analysis totally ignores the creepiness factor of the Ann Arbor ad.  If it were promoting chewing gum it might easily get rejected.  Who wants to look at that the whole time they&#8217;re on the bus?</p>
<p>Someone is overlooking some strategic options.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-14128</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I picked this up on a zionist blog not the one the link is to

http://stopthebomb.org.uk/stb/

poster campaigns are coming under attack everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I picked this up on a zionist blog not the one the link is to</p>
<p><a href="http://stopthebomb.org.uk/stb/" rel="nofollow">http://stopthebomb.org.uk/stb/</a></p>
<p>poster campaigns are coming under attack everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: happeh</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-14024</link>
		<dc:creator>happeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Israeli judges rule on issues pertaining on everything in Israeli occupied America.

Do a survey of judges in America. The majority are Israelis.

It is so weird to walk up to the courthouse in America and see the names of three Israelis listed as the sitting judges.

I got a camera ticket in one of our local municipalities that is running an extortion racket. They set up traffic cameras with no warning signs on the freeway offramps. They waylay passersby coming off the freeway for $500 tickets.

I went to the judge who was an Israeli and said &quot;judge. I looked both ways and rolled through the stop sign at 3 or 5 miles an hour like every other Californian does. If the policeman sitting right there next to you saw what I did in person, he would not write me a ticket because he knows all Californians do exactly what I did&quot;.

The Israeli judge looked down at her desk for a second, then looked up and said &quot;Guilty. That will be $500.&quot;

That Israeli judge doesn&#039;t care what is morally right or wrong for Americans. Her job is to milk them for every dime she can get out of them so she can send it back to Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israeli judges rule on issues pertaining on everything in Israeli occupied America.</p>
<p>Do a survey of judges in America. The majority are Israelis.</p>
<p>It is so weird to walk up to the courthouse in America and see the names of three Israelis listed as the sitting judges.</p>
<p>I got a camera ticket in one of our local municipalities that is running an extortion racket. They set up traffic cameras with no warning signs on the freeway offramps. They waylay passersby coming off the freeway for $500 tickets.</p>
<p>I went to the judge who was an Israeli and said &#8220;judge. I looked both ways and rolled through the stop sign at 3 or 5 miles an hour like every other Californian does. If the policeman sitting right there next to you saw what I did in person, he would not write me a ticket because he knows all Californians do exactly what I did&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Israeli judge looked down at her desk for a second, then looked up and said &#8220;Guilty. That will be $500.&#8221;</p>
<p>That Israeli judge doesn&#8217;t care what is morally right or wrong for Americans. Her job is to milk them for every dime she can get out of them so she can send it back to Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: pgg804</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-14017</link>
		<dc:creator>pgg804</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 15:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At first glance I didn&#039;t realize the man pictured there was Judge Engelmayer.  I associated him with the group posting the ad.  Now that I know he is the judge, that helps explain the decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first glance I didn&#8217;t realize the man pictured there was Judge Engelmayer.  I associated him with the group posting the ad.  Now that I know he is the judge, that helps explain the decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-14012</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aye we hardly have a Muslim problem we have a talmudic one]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye we hardly have a Muslim problem we have a talmudic one</p>
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		<title>By: etominusipi</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-14006</link>
		<dc:creator>etominusipi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted.&lt;/b&gt;

Habakkuk 1:4]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted.</b></p>
<p>Habakkuk 1:4</p>
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		<title>By: who_me</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/another-federal-judge-another-billboard-lawsuit/#comment-13987</link>
		<dc:creator>who_me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jewish judges deciding on issues pertaining to palestine and israel....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jewish judges deciding on issues pertaining to palestine and israel&#8230;.</p>
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