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		<title>By: who_me</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14335</link>
		<dc:creator>who_me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 04:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[media repression, american style:

http://rt.com/usa/news/copblock-wiretap-police-mueller-096/

&quot;Mueller was indicted following a report he filed in response to an incident at a Manchester, NH high school last year that ended with 17-year-old Frank W. Harrington being slammed face-first into a table and detained for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Video footage of a school police officer picking up Harrington and assaulting him were leaked to Mueller, who followed up on his own and attempted to interview a Manchester police captain, the Manchester High School West principal and a school secretary as part of his investigation into the incident. Mueller later used samples of those recorded phone interviews in a video report of the incident that he published to his website, and although he says he identified himself as a member of the media when approaching those officials for comment, he has been charged with felony wiretapping for allegedly putting those conversations on tape without expressed permission.

“Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I’m facing 21 years for filming somebody?” Mueller told Judge Kenneth Brown while appearing in court last week, CNN reports.&quot;

this kind of crap is nothing new in the usa, in fact, one could say it is more american than apple pie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>media repression, american style:</p>
<p><a href="http://rt.com/usa/news/copblock-wiretap-police-mueller-096/" rel="nofollow">http://rt.com/usa/news/copblock-wiretap-police-mueller-096/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Mueller was indicted following a report he filed in response to an incident at a Manchester, NH high school last year that ended with 17-year-old Frank W. Harrington being slammed face-first into a table and detained for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Video footage of a school police officer picking up Harrington and assaulting him were leaked to Mueller, who followed up on his own and attempted to interview a Manchester police captain, the Manchester High School West principal and a school secretary as part of his investigation into the incident. Mueller later used samples of those recorded phone interviews in a video report of the incident that he published to his website, and although he says he identified himself as a member of the media when approaching those officials for comment, he has been charged with felony wiretapping for allegedly putting those conversations on tape without expressed permission.</p>
<p>“Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I’m facing 21 years for filming somebody?” Mueller told Judge Kenneth Brown while appearing in court last week, CNN reports.&#8221;</p>
<p>this kind of crap is nothing new in the usa, in fact, one could say it is more american than apple pie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14297</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And that is the scariest part: when you can no longer tell them apart, like in a sci-fi movie about aliens taking over the bodies and minds of the earthlings]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that is the scariest part: when you can no longer tell them apart, like in a sci-fi movie about aliens taking over the bodies and minds of the earthlings</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14296</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not just &quot;know what is expected of them,&quot; it is what they themselves want! 
Do you think Cantor has to be told? Schumer? Feinstein? Ackerman?  Ross-Lehtinen? on and on and on. The shabbath goyim are even more eager to be part of the pack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just &#8220;know what is expected of them,&#8221; it is what they themselves want!<br />
Do you think Cantor has to be told? Schumer? Feinstein? Ackerman?  Ross-Lehtinen? on and on and on. The shabbath goyim are even more eager to be part of the pack.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14292</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[eto, I would have exclaimed, &quot;genius!&quot; upon reading this:
&quot;which countries are most likely to go to war with each other?&quot;
&quot;n-e-i-g-h-b-o-r-i-n-g countries, that’s who!!! &quot;

Because it is an inspired intuitive find. But I can&#039;t. 
See, eto, that&#039;s the difference between us: you are all intuition and verve but --pardon my frankness--a slapdash kind of guy who forges ahead without double checking, whereas I am obsessively careful and the kind of gal that measures twice before cutting. I dot my eyes and cross teas punctiliously.
It is not that your brilliant observation does not obtain in the majority of cases but, dear eto, we are now living in unusual times: we have to fight them THERE so they don&#039;t come to attack us here. 
We go where it is our duty to go, no matter how far. Canada and Mexico are quiet, at least for now but far away... oy.
But on the local, community level, so to speak, you are 100% correct.
Watch your neighbors, keep tabs and to be on the safe side report, report, report,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eto, I would have exclaimed, &#8220;genius!&#8221; upon reading this:<br />
&#8220;which countries are most likely to go to war with each other?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;n-e-i-g-h-b-o-r-i-n-g countries, that’s who!!! &#8221;</p>
<p>Because it is an inspired intuitive find. But I can&#8217;t.<br />
See, eto, that&#8217;s the difference between us: you are all intuition and verve but &#8211;pardon my frankness&#8211;a slapdash kind of guy who forges ahead without double checking, whereas I am obsessively careful and the kind of gal that measures twice before cutting. I dot my eyes and cross teas punctiliously.<br />
It is not that your brilliant observation does not obtain in the majority of cases but, dear eto, we are now living in unusual times: we have to fight them THERE so they don&#8217;t come to attack us here.<br />
We go where it is our duty to go, no matter how far. Canada and Mexico are quiet, at least for now but far away&#8230; oy.<br />
But on the local, community level, so to speak, you are 100% correct.<br />
Watch your neighbors, keep tabs and to be on the safe side report, report, report,</p>
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		<title>By: etominusipi</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14286</link>
		<dc:creator>etominusipi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ariadna you are right. your words should be widely distributed in pamphlet form, to make sure the community is fully warned of the hidden dangers that lurk behind the innocent facade of &quot;neighbours&quot;.

too many nice people live in wilful ignorance. the next day, many of them are gone. some never return. the last place the police thought of looking was in the next-door neighbour&#039;s chicken coup. but homicide&#039;s a doddle. what is at issue here is the mass murder of millions. on their doorsteps. right here in the US of A!!!

i&#039;m not one of those to talk of abstract countries in the Middle East. other than Israel there are no real &lt;i&gt;countries&lt;/i&gt; in that region. true there are primitive &#039;arrangements&#039;, which were suited to the neolithic age, but now reflect no more than the shifting allegiances of a few Bedouin tribes, soon to be extinguished by the Heavy Hand of History.

we are dealing on deLiberation with a lot of well-motivated but very naive individuals, who are still deceived by the &lt;i&gt;Neighbours&lt;/i&gt; mythology. ho ho ho. wasn&#039;t that the Tasmanian Soap written by Merdert Rupoch? transparent propaganda, all that creepy, sentimental &quot;niceness&quot;, with no mention of the darker side, the hidden agendas, the blood feuds, the blackmail...

well i have one question for such people, that i&#039;m sure you would agree with me in, and it is:

&lt;b&gt;which countries are most likely to go to war with each other&lt;/b&gt;?

yes. you&#039;ll say it&#039;s a no-brainer. yes, i&#039;ll confirm you would be right! choose a prize! OK, the washing machine with spin drier!!  what would von Clausewitz or Macchiavelli have answered? what would Bismarck have said?

&lt;b&gt;n-e-i-g-h-b-o-r-i-n-g&lt;/b&gt; countries,   that&#039;s who!!! - i don&#039;t need to spell it out! your &lt;i&gt;neighbours&lt;/i&gt; are exactly the people who are most likely to make war on you. worse, they will conspire with others to act against your interests, whilst concealing their malevolent intentions beneath a mask of chumminess that is easy for the inexperienced or lonely to misinterpret as the warmth of real human friendliness. 

so, back to reinforce Ariadna&#039;s point, in the light of recent events,  it&#039;s obvious you should keep a sharp eye on &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; your neighbours (remember &lt;i&gt;the one that got away&lt;/i&gt;?), and don&#039;t forget to send detailed reports to your government by our encrypted email server (see ProjectUltimateFreedom.us.gov for details)

you will have the immense satisfaction of protecting your own patch, whilst performing an important Patriotic Duty. you, the citizens, must maintain the integrity of our community values in the face of unprecedented physical and ideological threats from all around the globe, and perhaps also, according to current intel, as yet unconfirmed, from Outer Space as well, not excluding other dimensions, or  probabilistic spacetimes.

G_d Bl_ss Ame_ica!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariadna you are right. your words should be widely distributed in pamphlet form, to make sure the community is fully warned of the hidden dangers that lurk behind the innocent facade of &#8220;neighbours&#8221;.</p>
<p>too many nice people live in wilful ignorance. the next day, many of them are gone. some never return. the last place the police thought of looking was in the next-door neighbour&#8217;s chicken coup. but homicide&#8217;s a doddle. what is at issue here is the mass murder of millions. on their doorsteps. right here in the US of A!!!</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not one of those to talk of abstract countries in the Middle East. other than Israel there are no real <i>countries</i> in that region. true there are primitive &#8216;arrangements&#8217;, which were suited to the neolithic age, but now reflect no more than the shifting allegiances of a few Bedouin tribes, soon to be extinguished by the Heavy Hand of History.</p>
<p>we are dealing on deLiberation with a lot of well-motivated but very naive individuals, who are still deceived by the <i>Neighbours</i> mythology. ho ho ho. wasn&#8217;t that the Tasmanian Soap written by Merdert Rupoch? transparent propaganda, all that creepy, sentimental &#8220;niceness&#8221;, with no mention of the darker side, the hidden agendas, the blood feuds, the blackmail&#8230;</p>
<p>well i have one question for such people, that i&#8217;m sure you would agree with me in, and it is:</p>
<p><b>which countries are most likely to go to war with each other</b>?</p>
<p>yes. you&#8217;ll say it&#8217;s a no-brainer. yes, i&#8217;ll confirm you would be right! choose a prize! OK, the washing machine with spin drier!!  what would von Clausewitz or Macchiavelli have answered? what would Bismarck have said?</p>
<p><b>n-e-i-g-h-b-o-r-i-n-g</b> countries,   that&#8217;s who!!! &#8211; i don&#8217;t need to spell it out! your <i>neighbours</i> are exactly the people who are most likely to make war on you. worse, they will conspire with others to act against your interests, whilst concealing their malevolent intentions beneath a mask of chumminess that is easy for the inexperienced or lonely to misinterpret as the warmth of real human friendliness. </p>
<p>so, back to reinforce Ariadna&#8217;s point, in the light of recent events,  it&#8217;s obvious you should keep a sharp eye on <b>all</b> your neighbours (remember <i>the one that got away</i>?), and don&#8217;t forget to send detailed reports to your government by our encrypted email server (see ProjectUltimateFreedom.us.gov for details)</p>
<p>you will have the immense satisfaction of protecting your own patch, whilst performing an important Patriotic Duty. you, the citizens, must maintain the integrity of our community values in the face of unprecedented physical and ideological threats from all around the globe, and perhaps also, according to current intel, as yet unconfirmed, from Outer Space as well, not excluding other dimensions, or  probabilistic spacetimes.</p>
<p>G_d Bl_ss Ame_ica!</p>
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		<title>By: pgg804</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14284</link>
		<dc:creator>pgg804</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I understand what you are saying also.  Lobbying is no longer needed because the politicians instinctively know what is expected of them.  I have heard the same thing said about journalists working for newspapers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand what you are saying also.  Lobbying is no longer needed because the politicians instinctively know what is expected of them.  I have heard the same thing said about journalists working for newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: who_me</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14241</link>
		<dc:creator>who_me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, they&#039;ve moved from &quot;lobby&quot; to something more like &quot;management&quot;, isa gets it now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, they&#8217;ve moved from &#8220;lobby&#8221; to something more like &#8220;management&#8221;, isa gets it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14236</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Your “contention that the JEWISH LOBBY NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE US” is a pipe dream.&quot;

Not  a dream, a nightmare unfolding in real life.
I was not being facetious, as Who-me thinks, neither is it an issue of not having done &quot;research,&quot; least of all in wikipedia.
Think about it: the function of a lobby is to move a political or other body in the desired direction by influencing, convincing, bribing, threatening, coercing. The jewish lobby no longer needs to exercise that function because it has swallowed the Congress, made it into its own image and IS the congress.
The current function of the lobby and its affiliates now is to be the SECRETARIAT of the Congress: they prepare position papers, white papers, communiqués, etc. There is NO RESISTANCE, because the congress is now a disciplined body following directions.
From time there might appear an intractable one like Kucinich. No problem: they redistrict his ass away and get rid of him. 
The lobby does not even offer money now: the representatives BEG for it by competing with each other over who is better boy or girl, the way Romney and Obama do. As I aid before: is there a lobby needed for the Fed? No, the Fed IS he lobby. How about the media? Same? Enyertainment industry? Same.The game has moved a lot further than you seem to acknowledge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your “contention that the JEWISH LOBBY NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE US” is a pipe dream.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not  a dream, a nightmare unfolding in real life.<br />
I was not being facetious, as Who-me thinks, neither is it an issue of not having done &#8220;research,&#8221; least of all in wikipedia.<br />
Think about it: the function of a lobby is to move a political or other body in the desired direction by influencing, convincing, bribing, threatening, coercing. The jewish lobby no longer needs to exercise that function because it has swallowed the Congress, made it into its own image and IS the congress.<br />
The current function of the lobby and its affiliates now is to be the SECRETARIAT of the Congress: they prepare position papers, white papers, communiqués, etc. There is NO RESISTANCE, because the congress is now a disciplined body following directions.<br />
From time there might appear an intractable one like Kucinich. No problem: they redistrict his ass away and get rid of him.<br />
The lobby does not even offer money now: the representatives BEG for it by competing with each other over who is better boy or girl, the way Romney and Obama do. As I aid before: is there a lobby needed for the Fed? No, the Fed IS he lobby. How about the media? Same? Enyertainment industry? Same.The game has moved a lot further than you seem to acknowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: who_me</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14232</link>
		<dc:creator>who_me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Paul J Balles

i suspect that ariadna was being a little facetious or sarcastic about the jewish/israeli/zionist lobby and the u.s. congress and that her premise of the lobby being retired/obsolete was not altogether a serious proposition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Paul J Balles</p>
<p>i suspect that ariadna was being a little facetious or sarcastic about the jewish/israeli/zionist lobby and the u.s. congress and that her premise of the lobby being retired/obsolete was not altogether a serious proposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Paul J Balles</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/an-american-spring/#comment-14229</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Paul J Balles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your &quot;contention that the JEWISH LOBBY NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE US&quot; is a pipe dream.

To say that &quot;there is no longer a jewish lobby pressuring or influencing the Congress. The Congress is the Lobby.&quot; This is simply untrue.

When the new Congress debuts in January 2009, a record 45 Jews will take the oath of office: 32 in the House of Representatives and - regardless of the outcome in the still-contested Minnesota election - 13 Jews in the Senate. --Haaretz

The number of Jews in Congress remains as it was in 2009.

&quot;The Israel lobby (at times called the Zionist lobby or sometimes the Jewish lobby) is a term used to describe the diverse coalition of those who, as individuals and as groups, seek and have sought to influence the foreign policy of the United States in support of Zionism, Israel or the specific policies of its government.[1] The lobby consists of both Christian-American and Jewish-American secular and religious groups.&quot; --Wikipedia

Lobby defined: to conduct activities aimed at influencing public officials and especially members of a legislative body on legislation.

Wikipedia on &quot;Jewish Lobby&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_lobby#Descriptions

&quot;AIPAC&#039;s stated purpose is to lobby the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation related to Israel. AIPAC regularly meets with members of Congress and holds events where it can share its views.&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee#Aims_and_activities

AIPAC&#039;s stated mission: AIPAC’s mission is to strengthen the ties between the United States and its ally Israel. As America’s leading pro-Israel lobby, AIPAC works with Democrats, Republicans and Independents to enact public policy that enhances the U.S.-Israel relationship.

http://www.aipac.org/en/about-aipac/our-mission

ADL action center: full of &quot;Urge Congress to Support Fairness...&quot; all lobbying calls outside of Congress.

http://regions.adl.org/action-center/ 

&quot;AJC Take action center: AJC works with Congress, the Administration, foreign governments, and an array of ethnic, religious, and civic groups to address Jewish community concerns and promote democracy, pluralism, and mutual understanding. 

http://www.ajc.org/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.1122051/k.8DF4/Take_Action/siteapps/advocacy/ActionCenter.aspx

Before critiquing an article, do a bit of research.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8220;contention that the JEWISH LOBBY NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE US&#8221; is a pipe dream.</p>
<p>To say that &#8220;there is no longer a jewish lobby pressuring or influencing the Congress. The Congress is the Lobby.&#8221; This is simply untrue.</p>
<p>When the new Congress debuts in January 2009, a record 45 Jews will take the oath of office: 32 in the House of Representatives and &#8211; regardless of the outcome in the still-contested Minnesota election &#8211; 13 Jews in the Senate. &#8211;Haaretz</p>
<p>The number of Jews in Congress remains as it was in 2009.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Israel lobby (at times called the Zionist lobby or sometimes the Jewish lobby) is a term used to describe the diverse coalition of those who, as individuals and as groups, seek and have sought to influence the foreign policy of the United States in support of Zionism, Israel or the specific policies of its government.[1] The lobby consists of both Christian-American and Jewish-American secular and religious groups.&#8221; &#8211;Wikipedia</p>
<p>Lobby defined: to conduct activities aimed at influencing public officials and especially members of a legislative body on legislation.</p>
<p>Wikipedia on &#8220;Jewish Lobby&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_lobby#Descriptions" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_lobby#Descriptions</a></p>
<p>&#8220;AIPAC&#8217;s stated purpose is to lobby the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation related to Israel. AIPAC regularly meets with members of Congress and holds events where it can share its views.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee#Aims_and_activities" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee#Aims_and_activities</a></p>
<p>AIPAC&#8217;s stated mission: AIPAC’s mission is to strengthen the ties between the United States and its ally Israel. As America’s leading pro-Israel lobby, AIPAC works with Democrats, Republicans and Independents to enact public policy that enhances the U.S.-Israel relationship.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aipac.org/en/about-aipac/our-mission" rel="nofollow">http://www.aipac.org/en/about-aipac/our-mission</a></p>
<p>ADL action center: full of &#8220;Urge Congress to Support Fairness&#8230;&#8221; all lobbying calls outside of Congress.</p>
<p><a href="http://regions.adl.org/action-center/" rel="nofollow">http://regions.adl.org/action-center/</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;AJC Take action center: AJC works with Congress, the Administration, foreign governments, and an array of ethnic, religious, and civic groups to address Jewish community concerns and promote democracy, pluralism, and mutual understanding. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ajc.org/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.1122051/k.8DF4/Take_Action/siteapps/advocacy/ActionCenter.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajc.org/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.1122051/k.8DF4/Take_Action/siteapps/advocacy/ActionCenter.aspx</a></p>
<p>Before critiquing an article, do a bit of research.</p>
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