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by Paul Eisen
Thursday, March 15th, 2012
Ali Abunimah’s intervention and denunciation of Gilad is nothing new. Over five years ago he did exactly the same to Israel Shamir, Deir Yassin Remembered and me.
But why then and why now?
First now, because his rather lacklustre Electronic Intifada, now well past its sell-by date is now being totally eclipsed by deLiberation.
And second, because above all else, Ali Abunimah needs to protect and enhance his western-based solidarity career. Ali Abunimah knows that as with pretty much everything in the west, if the Jews don’t want it, it’s not going to happen and compared to that, truth and courage mean precisely nothing.
God save us all from such people.
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Francis Clark-Lowes
March 17, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Yes, I suspect you’re right, Paul. That’s probably what’s at the root of it. I’ve seen the same tendency in others. Western society is very seductive to many in the East, as I noticed when I lived in Saudi Arabia. Even Edward Said paid his dues in certain respects.
fool me once...
March 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm
“…Electronic Intifada, now well past its sell-by date…”
Yeah, you could well find yourself Paul, writing another piece in the not too distant future entitled;
“Ali Abunimah and his Solitary Career.”
Nahida’s written an well informed critique of Ali Abunimah’s latest schmoozing, posted here;
http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2012/03/disavow-with-no-mercy-not-in-my-name.html
and here;
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/nahida-izzat-disavow-with-no-mercy-not-in-my-name.html#entry15472000
ariadna
March 19, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Who cares what Nahida thinks? It is not HER cause. If she is Palestinian she only fulfills half the prescribed requirements; she “contributes to this site” so she is out.
Try to remember this when you talk about Abounimah: it is HIS cause. It was given to him by g-d twice removed.
solar
March 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm
A quick check of alexa.com gives these statistics:
electronicintifada.net: Alexa Traffic Rank: 98,288; sites linking in: 4,530
deliberation.info: Alexa Traffic Rank: 298,486; sites linking in: 81
Given these statistics, it’s very hard to argue, as Eisen does, that ‘Electronic Intifada, now well past its sell-by date, is now being totally eclipsed by deLiberation.’ Unless ‘totally eclipsed’ now means ‘having a much smaller readership’.
Jonathon Blakeley
March 18, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Aye they beat us on ranking but we only three months old. But we get some interesting articles…
solar
March 18, 2012 at 11:04 pm
‘But we get some interesting articles…’
… from Holocaust deniers peddling their wares.
solar
March 18, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Actually, let’s follow that up with a question. JB, do any of the articles currently on this site strike you as anti-Semitic in any way, to any degree?
Jonathon Blakeley
March 21, 2012 at 9:15 am
No I don’t, which do you think are?
solar
March 21, 2012 at 12:42 pm
That’s quite a telling admission, given how thick the anti-Semitism is on this site.
Here’s just the most recent example.
When the increasingly marginalised Gilad Atzmon says, of ‘Jewish leaders’ – no qualification of any type beyond that – that ‘They have lost any sense of empathic thinking let alone ethics’, well, is there anything in there that you find that tastes of overbroad, overgeneralised ethnic condemnation?
I mean, that one’s so glaring you could see it from orbit – except that you, JB, apparently don’t.
And stuff like that happens all over the site. The material from Azaziah was five-star anti-Semitism, a catalog of it, and you didn’t bat an eye for months.
peter brown
March 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm
solar.Gilad Atzmon has not become in any way “increasingly marginalised” by a disengenuous swipe from Abunimah and and his politically correct,low voltage Intifada.Nor will his position be altered by hysterical, ignorant, knee jerk protestations of offence. Gilad’s insightful analysis of Jewishness and its relationship to tribalism and Zionism is a thoughtful and much needed addition to our understanding of the future struggle. Abunimah’s intention was to boost his position in the established solidarity movement and ensure that his image didn’t disturb “you know who!” He has no interest in a philosophical, political argument and even if he had he hasn’t the intellectual muscle to argue the case against Gilad.(Far easier to use the antisemite card).
solar
March 25, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Step outside your little circle some time and discover what the world *really* thinks of Gilad Atzmon. He’s got a good following among anti-Semites, because – as has been demonstrated time and again through history – anti-Semites love nothing more than a Jew they can pay to confirm their prejudices. Atzmon is only the latest of a line that stretches back a long, long way.
ariadna
March 25, 2012 at 3:56 pm
“they can pay to confirm their prejudices”
Ahem… Projection…
aemathisphd
March 18, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Damn, Paul, you gonna take that?
ariadna
March 18, 2012 at 11:07 pm
No offense meant, aema… etc, but you come off as someone very needy and insistently seeking attention, which may be why you keep tugging at people’s sleeves, getting personal and veering off the topic or harping on nugatory features of the topic. Again, no offense meant, just a hint.
aemathisphd
March 19, 2012 at 4:22 am
Please do not labor under the assumption that I care in the least what you might think.
ariadna
March 19, 2012 at 11:47 am
Although anything related to you must seem of enormous weight and scope to you, no assumption about you requires ‘laboring.” This is my last word on this ‘topic’ since I wish to avoid contributing to your efforts to clog up this site with personal kvetching.
aemathisphd
March 19, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Make sure you get the last word!
fool me once...
March 19, 2012 at 2:16 pm
“Clingon”
Jay Knott
March 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm
It’s a known fact that members of the Rothschild family within the Bolshevik party knew the internet was going to happen, and prepared to control it, starting in 1917. Alexa.com is also owned by the Rothschilds. Mossad intercepts web requests, and redirects them to make it look like electronicintifada.net is more popular than deliberation.info. And they log on to sites critical of them and post conspiracy theories to try to make them look daft.
aemathisphd
March 19, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I really hope you’re joking.
etominusipi
March 20, 2012 at 10:21 am
from his behaviour on twitter i had already tentatively concluded that comrade Albunimah has an ego problem (self-importance) which, for any activist, must insidiously compromise his work for the cause of humanity and increase his susceptibility to various forms of distraction which the Machiavellian brotherhood are more than willing to provide wherever they perceive a ‘need’.
in the recent Albunimah-sourced document ‘excommunicating’ Gilad Atzmon my pstylistically attuned ear detects the same sterile echoes of a certain mild strain of that hysterical fourth international factionalism frequently detectible also in comrade Greenstein’s contributions to spicing up debate within the Palestinian ‘support’ movement in the UK.
there is much of interest to discuss about the real source of these lamentable symptoms of splittism and how best to deal with them. here i shall content myself with an irrelevant quotation from the great humanitarian Sir Basil Zaharoff: ‘Remember it is sometimes necessary to kick off the ladder those who have helped you to climb it.’ (advice to Lord Boothby)
who_me
March 24, 2012 at 2:28 am
“superior beings” have always appreciated those who selflessly dropped their trousers and bent over whatever convenient piece of furniture in front of them. they like that sense of servitude to be ingrained in their toys. poor abunimah, it feels good now, but where will he be in a few years when they’ve used him up? and new the pretty toy catches the zionists’ eye? prostitutes seldom end up much better than lab chimps.