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Nasrallah: Syria rejected to disarm resistance because it considers it as part of Pan-Arab security strategy

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Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah said that what protects Lebanon from any Israeli threat is the existence of a deterring balance with this enemy, adding that the suitable defensive strategy in Lebanon is the existence of a strong army and a powerful resistance with a coordination between them .

“Following the victory of Lebanon in 2000 and dismissing the Israeli occupation from south Lebanon, the aim of the US and Israel became disarming the resistance, particularly the arms of Hizbollah,” Nasrallah said in a speech at an Iftar banquet on Wednesday.

He pointed out to several bargaining offers to the resistance to disarm its weapon by the US and others.

“Similar bargaining offer was presented to Syria in 2004 before the issuance of No.1559 when one of the Arab rulers told President Bashar al-Assad that if you want to remain in Lebanon, you can do so, but the price will be disarming the weapon of Hizbollah and the Palestinians.. but President al-Assad rejected this offer because he considers the resistance in Lebanon and Palestine as part of a pan-Arab Security strategy.”

Militias From Libya Leading Creation Of Terror Brigade Against Government Of Syria

Part of channel(s): 2011 Libyan civil war (current event), 2011 Syrian uprising (current event), C-A-T-000p (promoted)
Leaders of Libyan militias openly partake in the formation of a new terror ‘brigade’ and terrorist training camp in Syria called the Ummah. The video is shown unedited up to 0.48 and is then repeated with annotations. A translation of the annotations is provided below.
0.55 This is part of an announcement of the formation of what is called the Ummah brigade. Perhaps some will think that those who are forming the brigade are defectors or Syrians. But..

1.07 Name: Al-Mahdi Al-Harati. Nationality: Libyan. Deputy head of the Military Council for Tripoli, Libya.

1.20 Name: Abdulhakim Al-Mashri. Nationality: Libyan. One of the leaders of the Tripoli revolutionaries in Libya.

1.31 and onwards. Photographs of the Al-Harati and Al-Mashri during the formation of Ummah brigade.2.20 and onwards. Video of Syrian and Libyan terrorists training with Al-Harati and Al-Mashri.

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178 Responses to A Gun for Rent VS a Gun for Liberation

  1. Laura Stuart August 1, 2012 at 11:06 pm #

    Helping their oppressed brothers MashAllah

  2. Alex August 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm #

    Serving their Zionist master

    • Khalid Amayreh August 1, 2012 at 11:48 pm #

      It is a duty for true Muslims to help their brothers trying to topple a criminal oppressor.

      And Assad is more than a criminal oppressor, He is a Satan.

      • Roy Bard August 1, 2012 at 11:51 pm #

        Indeed – The Satan of Syria :-D

        • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 12:08 am #

          Yeah, Hitler of Damascus just didn’t do it for me. The Satan of Syria it is then! What say you Khalid?
          Have we done the Beelzebub of Baghdad and the Lucifer of London?

          • who_me August 2, 2012 at 2:07 am #

            “Yeah, Hitler of Damascus just didn’t do it for me. The Satan of Syria it is then!”

            i think it’s still not jewish enough of a demonisation. how about the “satanic hitler of damascus”? that should cover all the hasbara bases. you got satan to stir up the religious people, and hitler to get the phony lefties, liberals and atheists up in arms. the only people not covered will be the satanists, but there are only around a dozen or so of them left now, and the nazi types. but most of the nazi types are already dupes of israel anyway, and do as their told.

        • etominusipi August 2, 2012 at 2:45 am #

          ;-)

      • Jonathon Blakeley August 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

        Khalid – Congratulations you are the worst commenter we have ever had on deliberation. One person only, enjoys reading your drivel, why don’t you just get lost.

  3. Laura Stuart August 1, 2012 at 11:43 pm #

    Nope. I know many brothers who fought in various places and are still fighting, they fight only fisabillah and only with the hope of their intention being accepted and with the wrong intention they won’t be shahid so they are very clear about it.

  4. Khalid Amayreh August 1, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    The freedom fighters in Syria will crush the Nazi-like regim, sooner or later.

    I think irate,nervous Shiites here, who are oviously on a mission to morph DELIBERATON into a mouthpice for Assad propaganda, should prepare themselve mentally to accept the eventual downfall of the regime. It is coming, it is only a matter of time.

    This is better for them than developing some psychosomatic illnesses that could finish their lives.

    Finally, a word of advice to Deliberation: Don’t you see a foul play here? Is it a coincidence that 99% of the postings here seek to glorift the Hitler of Damascus, Hezbullah and the clerical regime in Tehran?

    • Jonathon Blakeley August 2, 2012 at 7:47 am #

      We are for resistance to the Zionazi’s not for NATO takeover, and its you that are taking over all the posts to beat the bloody drum of war. Not very peace loving for a so called muslim are you.

      • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 8:27 am #

        There can be no peace where there is injustice and oppression.

    • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 9:10 am #

      @Khalid
      “Is it a coincidence that 99% of the postings here seek to glorift the Hitler of Damascus, Hezbullah and the clerical regime in Tehran?”
      This is crazy talk by any ones standards. Up to this point there are 25 posts, 13 of which are made by you and Laura. That means as far as numbers go the posts are biased in your favour. Out of six people, two have had biggest say. Brush up on your sums Khalid or you’ll be rightly perceived as a psychomath!

    • Jonathon Blakeley August 2, 2012 at 1:51 pm #

      Khalid – really just get lost.

  5. Khalid Amayreh August 1, 2012 at 11:53 pm #

    Religiously, he is not a Muslim.
    Democraticaaly, he is not a democrat.
    Morally, he is a moral person.
    Humanisticaaly, he is not humane because true humans don’t murder their peope by the tens of thousands.

    I think he is a scum, vermin and dirty animal that ought to be crushed and exterminated.

    Saddam bombed Tel Aviv, Assad is bombing Damascus and Allepo.

  6. Khalid Amayreh August 1, 2012 at 11:56 pm #

    It is unimaginable that Muslims could really fight Israel while leaving the mass murderer of Damascus at large.

  7. Khalid Amayreh August 2, 2012 at 12:06 am #

    In 1963, Ibrahim Makhos, one of the leaders of the Baath party (Assad’s party) wrote:

    “Allah, religion, and morality are mummies that ought to be consigned to the museum of history,”

    The question is “how could the Almighty grant Hi victory to such Godless people over Israel”?

  8. who_me August 2, 2012 at 2:35 am #

    http://sana.sy/eng/337/2012/07/31/433946.htm

    Infiltration Attempts from Lebanon and Jordan Foiled, Authorities Hunt Terrorists in Aleppo, Damascus Countryside, Homs, Deir Ezzor and Idleb

  9. etominusipi August 2, 2012 at 2:56 am #

    KA on the Demon of Damascus: “I think he is a scum, vermin and dirty animal that ought to be crushed and exterminated.”

    totally agree. as Richard Metzger put it:

    “The demons of materialism speak through empty words. A language in which the demons of materialism have taken the place of human spiritual impulses can lead only to destruction.

    George Orwell was perhaps the most prominent writer to decry this trend. See, for instance, his classic essay Politics and the English Language. He envisioned the dehumanization of language becoming deliberately intensified in the “newspeak” of the Ahrimanic nightmare 1984. Having no apparent knowledge of spiritual science, and working with only keen observation and a love of truth, he saw what was happening in the political discourse of Western Europe and carried to extremes in the totalitarian regimes.

    On the socio-political level, the antidote for this poison of empty words is the liberation of cultural life, especially education, from political and financial power. (As outlined in Steiner’s concept of the “threefold commonwealth”: the separation of the political-rights state, the spiritual-cultural sphere, and the economic sector — along with the elimination of egotism and coercion from the economy.)

    On the individual-personal level, the antidote is the infusion of active, creative thought into language, thus creating a language in which the words point to the thoughts, evoking living thinking in the listeners. If we do not put effort into creating our original thoughts, then ready-made pseudo-thoughts, trite words and phrases, come automatically to mind and carry us along with them, resulting in thinking almost entirely without thoughts

    We can at least make the effort to resist these ready-made phrases and generalizations that effortlessly come to mind, and to form mental pictures of particular people, things, and events — and further, to make original word-formations describing these things and pictures from varying points of view. The essential point is that we not let our speaking and writing be determined by unconscious influences, but that we call forth through our own efforts new, original thought-creations and convey them with original, fluid, artistic word-formations.

    We will not always fully succeed; we are not all poets all the time; but if we consciously make this effort, then we will go far toward recovering the lost human-spirituality of language, and consequently, toward the humanization of culture.”

  10. who_me August 2, 2012 at 2:57 am #

    http://angryarab.blogspot.de/2012/08/the-deeds-of-syrias-pro-western.html

    “The village itself is controlled by the rebels who impose their ruling and define who is pro-regime and who is “revolutionary”. They treat the residents harshly. Surprisingly (unsurprisingly?), they don’t find any inconsistency between their alleged “revolutionary ethics” and looting the people they, presumably, protect (the other day they instructed the residents to leave their homes, temporarily, pretending they were planning to attack the nearby Damascus airport. One of the residents, who insisted not to leave, saw them breaking into the vacant houses. It turned out that they didn’t want any witness, so they could attribute their banditry to the Syrian army).

    Bilal, and this isn’t his real name, is a member of one of the largest Deir Salman’s families, one that gave the Syrian army a number of military officers. One of its branches converted to Shi’ism some 70 years ago, something that hasn’t presented any problem in the village… until recently when Bilal, a man in his late thirties, married and father of two children of 5 and 11 years old, appeared on the kill list of the “revolutionaries” along with his father, brothers, uncles, and cousins. Bilal isn’t shabiha, and he isn’t even pro-regime but this isn’t of any relevancy for FSA.

    Bilal, and most of his family left the village towards other surrounding towns, where the living conditions aren’t less difficult but where, at least, they aren’t threatened. Bilal became jobless, his two children are traumatized and he’s planning to leave Syria to some far-east country where one of his relatives lives. He told me he wants to move away for one year or so until the crisis is over before wondering desperately: But what if they (FSA) won?”

    even the angry arab is against these israeli terrorists.

    • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 7:40 am #

      The angry Arab as he calls himself if not a man who follows the principles of Islam.

      Here is what Gilad wrote about him
      http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-angry-arab-collaborator.html

      From Wiki
      AbuKhalil describes himself as “a former Marxist-Leninist, now an anarchist”,[4] a feminist, and an “atheist secularist”.[5]

      I think he was born Muslim and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
      I don’t trust any Muslim who left Islam and followed an ism, be it marxism, atheism, or feminism.

      • Jonathon Blakeley August 2, 2012 at 7:52 am #

        the Angry Arab is not a kosher Muslim, only some Sunnis seems capable of deciding who is true muslim and who is not.

        So whatever point you were tying to make becomes null and void because of his non-muslim credentials.

        I hope this is clearer for you.

        • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 8:13 am #

          For me Jonathon it is very clear because Islam is the only criteria I judge by.

          The confusion is for those who believe in man made ideologies such as marxism, atheism, secularism, feminism etc etc to be confused.

          Only Allah The Creator is perfect not His Creation so I will not follow some idealogy which is man made is that clear to you.

          Islam is my only criteria.

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 2, 2012 at 1:54 pm #

            Laura as an advert for Islam you are a complete failure.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 2:40 pm #

            Jonathon the comments you just posted were terribly unprofessional.

            I assume that you may have pressures in your life that may have made you post those rude comments so for the record I forgive you.

          • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm #

            @Laura
            Hey while you’re dishing out the love, did you like the Perry reggae track I posted? That particular comment about PTSD was sincere. It’s not a weakness to acknowledge that you may be suffering from it, believe me.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

            You made me curious.
            1. What profession are you judging by?
            2. You “assume” he has “pressures in his life?!?” Are you using your “professional” arms-akimbo standards?
            Or are you hinting you have a smidgeon of a whiff of a hint of something on Jon and are ready to dish?
            You would make a great informer. No wonder you keep badgering posters to find out their names. who-me is right–that is a zionist tactic.
            I used the conditional tense, you may wish to correct that.
            3. “rude”?!? You must list those professional standards for us that you and the three trolls who post under one name (which one of them misspells from time to time) use for your productions.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm #

            Aww have you still not got control of this site?

            All this time and still not result it must be frustrating for you.

            Keep trying.

            3 trolls who post under one name. I wonder why you lie? Maybe that is normal for you Allahualim.

          • Roy Bard August 2, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

            “3 trolls who post under one name. ”

            My favourite is that Khakid Amayteh :-D

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

            Being one of those who never check my comments before sending therefore very guilty of not “being arksed” about my English, I really can’t comment on those commentators for whom English is not their first language – especially when they use a different alphabet which gives endless options for different ways of writing Arabic words in English.

            I am not so sure about sock puppets though I think Editor, deLiberation Jonathon and someone else I won’t mention might all be the same person.

          • Roy Bard August 2, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

            I probably wouldn’t have thought much about someone getting their own name wrong – but when that someone has a) made a big fuss about someone else getting their name wrong and b) deliberately got other posters names wrong. it becomes more difficult to ignore.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 6:14 pm #

            Doesn’t this look like the Bulgaria bomber man on the video? The one with the long hair?

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19091753

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm #

            Tsk, tsk, tsk, Laura.
            Shouldn’t you learn to humble yourself and learn some modesty rather than obsess so much about “control”? Or haven’t gotten to that particular surah yet?
            Believe it or not I know even less about Islam than you. Incredible, isn’t it? Yet even I can tell that you are far too uppity for a wahabine (I trust that’s the correct feminine although I patterned it after “wahine”).

          • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm #

            @AT
            “Are you using your “professional” arms-akimbo standards?”
            Just off topic a min, I always thought “akimbo” meant open, a bit like Elvis in this vid, but apparently it means with hands on hips – and with what you describe, a macho stylee! Understand it now.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU5xxh5UX4U&feature=related

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 2, 2012 at 8:34 pm #

            Elvis….. Do you know Mark Koepfler’s song Back to Tupalo?
            No, I did not mean macho style. Arms akimbo is more like fisherwoman style.
            Don’t hold grudges, life is too short.

          • fool me once... August 3, 2012 at 12:17 am #

            @AT
            I hadn’t heard that song before, thanks for posting it.
            Grudge? a smidge strong but fair do’s and I hear ya. ;)

          • Jay Knott August 3, 2012 at 9:37 am #

            Ariadna writes: “You would make a great informer. No wonder you keep badgering posters to find out their names. who-me is right–that is a zionist tactic.”

            No it’s not. It’s a common error among people of all shades of opinion. And who_me makes the same error himself! But he agrees with you on the party line, so you judge him by different standards from Laura.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 9:58 am #

            Jay Knott

            “And who_me makes the same error himself!”

            keep lying, jay, it does wonders for a completely shot rep. ;) :D

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 10:27 am #

            I am condemned to commit “common errors.” It’s my linear, binary thinking that’s at the root of it all. How many times have you explained to me that the Boxcutter Boys are, whatchamacallit? I forget again, ah, yes, ‘economical,’ and I still can’t wrap my mind around it worth a shekel. But who-me, no, I’m about to drop him; he’s bad news. He upset Laura and that’s bound to put us bad with Allah–she told us and she knows. You are a shrewd one to hang out with her because one never knows.
            At the Pearly Gates, much to the surprise of many, there may be two elevators: one going up, and Laura will speak up for you to get on that one, and one going down and that will work non-stop: carrying down shias, conspiracy theorists, anti-Israel common error makers, etc.
            You got yourself a fistful of indulgences, Jay, and you bought them at basement bargain prices with just a few posts.
            It’s too late for me to mend fences with Laura Chop-Their Hands Stuart and K 3.5 Posters, also known as “Israel O Shia, Venceremos.”

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 7:46 am #

            Laura We have put up with all your patronising comments so put with mine.

          • adnan August 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

            No Laura, it is not Islam you judge by, but rather wahhabism. We Muslims have Koran, and you Wahhabies follow man made ideology which does not have much in common with Islam.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm #

            More sectarianism.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 2, 2012 at 8:35 pm #

            Sucks! It takes two “h’s”?! I only used one in “wahhabine”

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 7:47 am #

            Exactly she does nto represent mainstream Islam well i hope not.

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 7:50 am #

            “She” is the cats mother presumably.

            So do enlighten us with what is mainstream Islam Jonathon.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 10:30 am #

            “So do enlighten us with what is mainstream Islam Jonathon.”
            Ah, the aspiration for improvement.
            Unless you are being ironic… I think you are because, let’s face it, nobody can kvetch “Islam” with Laura I-Am_Islam Stuart except K 3.5 Posters.

          • Alex August 2, 2012 at 6:04 pm #

            “Only Allah The Creator is perfect not His Creation so I will not follow some idealogy which is man made is that clear to you.”

            Laura’s Scolars who “DECIDE” are not humans, not God’s creation. IS THAT CLEAR TO YOU?
            May be Qaradawi, Like BUSH, have a hot line with God

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 1:15 pm #

            It’s clear to me Alex that some people think they have monopoly on truth.

        • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 8:25 am #

          Jonathon I do not expect you to know any thing about Islam however, let me explain one thing to you.

          We who fear Allah and fear making mistakes do not decide things on our own opinion. We have scholars who make decisions. It is easy to read Quran and make your own choices on what it actually says by following our own whims and desires so in order to avoid mistakes we have books of the scholars who studied years and years and who studied the most authentic narrations of the Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.

          So if I post some thing about Islam on here with a link then the link is to a scholarly opinion and never my opinion.

          To invent a lie about Allah is a massive sin.

          I hope that is clear.

          • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 9:26 am #

            “We who fear Allah and fear making mistakes do not decide things on our own opinion.”
            To live in fear is to live in darkness. Why not just love Allah?
            I’m sure you will say that you do love Allah, but a “love and fear” relationship is a an abusive relationship no if’s or but’s.
            Living your life by fear will destroy you in the end.
            It is easy to pity you. Have a rethink.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 9:45 am #

            The fear is the punishment in the next life and the day of judgement is something believed in by all People of the Book, not only Muslims.

            Why we can’t just love Allah and everything will be ok ?

            Because the we were not created to just play and the Quran tells us that Allah created us to worship Him. Then He told us how to do that.

            Just believing is not enough you have to strive to achieve – we submit.

          • Alex August 2, 2012 at 10:40 am #

            “We who fear Allah and fear making mistakes do not decide things on our own opinion. We have scholars who make decisions. ”

            I can’t count how many times, I read KA claiming describing the Shea Imams as Mini-Gods.

            Laurah said it, Sunni Scholars (Thosands Mini-Gads) make decisisions, and DONKEYS follow

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 10:52 am #

            I love the whole donkey thing . . .

            Mitt Romney when he said Israelis are successful because of culture should have just come out straight and said these Arab f****rs are still riding around on donkeys whilst Israelis made the desert bloom.

            Alex far be it for me to have any ideas as to why Arabs argue with each other and everyone else non stop but are able to exist peacefully for millenia with donkeys.

            Time for a song then
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaPKA9U6ik8

            @Roy Bard – he started it!

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 10:33 am #

            “we were not created to just play and the Quran tells us that Allah created us to worship Him. Then He told us how to do that.

            Is there a chance Allah may be frowning on your scampering on this site as play instead of praying? Or have you already had a message about it?

          • etominusipi August 2, 2012 at 9:56 am #

            “We who fear Allah and fear making mistakes do not decide things on our own opinion. We have scholars who make decisions. ”

            so who decides which scholars? other scholars, presumably.

            perhaps such statements would seem quite profound if they were uttered through the mouth of Mullah Nasruddin’s donkey.

            from a human being they amount to a lamentable abdication of conscience.

            if you cannot think for yourself, Laura, why write on deLiberation at all? whatever they might be i would prefer to hear these views from the horse’s mouth. or to choose an alternative metaphor, why should we have to listen to the monkey? why does not the organ grinder come here and tell us?

            why listen to a parrot, when really one needs to converse with those who taught it to speak and what to say?

            and who is this group of people that refers to itself as we? i have no confidence in those who hide behind vague pluralities. when their derivative remarks are embedded in an utterly uncritical self-satisfaction, this lack of confidence rapidly turns to a lack of interest.

            perhaps patient indifference is the most appropriate response to those who take pride in being incapable of thinking for themselves.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 10:02 am #

            On the contrary Islam commands us to think. However, on text interpretation it is best left to the scholars. Islam is very scientific and we are taught to always research our sources and only use good evidence.

            I really enjoy your posts but I start to see a sad trend of you negatively commentating on other posters comments rather than either the articles or what is happening in the world.

            Commenting on other posters use of English or their punctuation and spelling seems to me rather “scummy” when the essential message of what posters are trying to say is ignored.

          • etominusipi August 2, 2012 at 10:26 am #

            we must all make our contribution, in humility, as best we can. if you enjoyed my posts in the past but now you do not enjoy them, that is your prerogative. or perhaps it is the prerogative of the scholars whom you look to to instruct you on how you should think?

          • Alex August 2, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

            “On the contrary Islam commands us to think. However, on text interpretation it is best left to the scholars.” Laura

            An example on Schollar’s interpretations

            هو قرآن مجيد، في لوح محفوظ – البروح 21 و22 

            ِAl-burouj
            21 . Day, this is a Glorious Qur’an,
            22 . (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!

            According to Scholars the Preserved Tablet contain, not only the Quran, but what hapenned, will hapen and shall happen till Judgement Day, consequenthy it should be very big, with un-imaginable length and breadth.

            One thousad years ago, Laura’s scholars, such as Ibn Katheer described in more than two pages the Preseved Tablet, as a huge its length and breadth are the length and breath of the earth and the sky, made from gold and precious stones. If you ask modern scholars from where Ibn Katheer got this they would say from the Prophet. Go check the interpretation of modern Schoolar, nothing changed.
            I am not blaming Ibn Katheer, with the level of knowledge at his time, he can’t do more, I blame Ignorant todays scholar (Parots) who repeat Ibn Katheer story.

            A Muslim, such as Mohammad Shahrour (PHD in Engineering) who spent 35 year studying Quran and Islam, based on the Modern level of knowledge, have no right to imagine the Preserved Tablet as a little computer chips,

            Qaradawi, commented on Shahrour’s Book: Quran and the Book-Modern reading, saying Shahrour created a new religion.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 10:36 am #

            “On the contrary Islam commands us to think. ”

            What happens to those who disobey this command? Is there a surah on “attenuating circumstances” related to ability?

          • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 10:44 am #

            @etominusipi
            “why should we have to listen to the monkey?”
            That’s quite a generous metaphor etominusipi, I would have said;
            “why should we have to listen to the peanut?” and a dry roasted one at that? :D
            Laura, in all seriousness, etominusipi is giving you respect by taking the time to construct a witty critique of the flaws in your thinking. He’s not a div like me, so give it some thought and I’m sure it’ll improve your understanding of your belief system.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 11:00 am #

            love the div bit – a fellow northerner perhaps?

          • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 11:13 am #

            Educate thyself Laura, with the Book of meanings;
            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=div

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 11:21 am #

            Interesting – although I have been in prison I am sure I did not learn it there, it is used to imply someone is stupid ooop north where I come from.

            deLiberation is educational in surprising ways

          • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 11:30 am #

            @Laura
            “although I have been in prison”
            What prison? Holloway?

          • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

            Hmmm, don’t look like a british prison, maybe you weren’t in long enough to hear “div”. You’ll find northerners in prisons all over the world – as you’ve proved. Would you sooner of had a flogging given the choice? ;)

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

            I didn’t commit any crime except trying to help Palestinians so no to the flogging thanks very much.

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 10:58 am #

            Etominusipi – I hope you have time to read this

            The Brainwashed versus the Braindead

            It is very common for a devout Muslim who believes with certainty in the Islamic belief system and who adheres completely to the Islamic law without compromising with secular society, to be told ‘You have been brainwashed’. A Muslim of course, is one who ‘submits’, he follows the way of life known as ‘Islam’ which means ‘submission [to the will of Allah]’. Therefore, by definition, a Muslim is not one who can live in a state of compromise. Rather compromise with forces and systems that are contradicting the basis and aim of Islam is heavily condemned in the Quran. For instance, Allah (swt) says, “Therefore obey not the rejectors, who desire that you would compromise that they may compromise…” (al Qalam 68:8-9) Indeed, Allah (swt) made clear in the Quran that the only way of life acceptable is a life of full submission and not of compromise, Allah (swt) says “Verily, the only way of life with Allah is submission” (aali I’mraan 3:19) and “Whoever desires a way of life other than submission, never will it be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be of the losers” (aali I’mraan 3:85) and “O you who believe! Enter into submission completely and follow not the footsteps of Shaytaan [Satan] for he is a clear enemy.” (al Baqarah 2:208)

            So it is clear that the term ‘brainwashed’ applied to one who is a fundamentalist Muslim, is based upon ignorance of the nature of Islam. A person who claims to believe in Islam but then compromises throughout his life is actually showing that they either have doubts about the basis of Islam, or are totally ignorant of its laws and system or have other misconceptions and errors that make their behaviour unacceptable to Allah. The type of people who declare people to be ‘brainwashed’ are usually irreligious people who live a life based upon atheistic and secular principles that are mass manufactured and conveyed through shallow media outlets whose effects upon their consumers are much more suited to the term of ‘brainwashing’. We now list some further reasons why this is an erroneous judgement upon the Islamic fundamentalist:

            ‘Brainwashed’ is a term applied to one who is forced or not given choice. However, Islamic revival in society and in an individual is not based upon force, but is based upon thought and choice. This is because, in reality a belief will only lead to strong actions when the belief is genuine and not imposed. Thus a hypocrite will run away from the battlefield or even more likely, he will make excuses so that he comes nowhere near the battlefield. The Quran made clear the fact that true and effective following of religion is based upon an informed choice and not upon being forced, Allah (swt) says “There is no compulsion in the deen [i.e. in adopting religion]. The right path has become clear from the wrong path…” (al Baqarah 2:256)

            Brainwashing’ is applied to someone whose past has been wiped away and now he only understands the recent ‘input’ into his brain. As for the convert to Islam or the one who has adopted fundamentalist [i.e. real and genuine] Islam, they very clearly remember their past, but they are now aware of the reality of their past rather than the common illusions and deceptions. They hate their past and hate its motivations. It should be noted that Islam today is not in power anywhere in the world, and those who have adopted fundamentalism can at any point go back to a life which they had, but they do not do so due to choice.

            Further proof that the fundamentalist Muslim is not ‘brainwashed’, is the fact that he takes from his past those matters which are acceptable to Islam and he uses them for the sake of Islam and for the common good. This is also supported by the following hadeeth [saying of the prophet Muhammad (saw) Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet (saw) said “Men are like mines of gold and silver. The best of you in the days of ignorance are the best of you in Islam when they have understanding” (collected by MUSLIM)

            ‘Brainwashing’ is a term applied to those who act without rationality. But the foundations of the Islamic belief are based upon sound rational thought. The proofs for the existence of a Creator, the proofs of His Oneness and the rationality of the need for Messengers [prophets] and the proofs for the authenticity of the Quran are all rationally proven. The Quran elaborates upon the rational proofs for those foundations of belief and makes rational belief a condition for their validity. The one who does not use his intellect is heavily condemned in the Quran and Allah (swt) says that not using the intellect leads to Hell. Allah (swt) says “Verily, the worst of creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb, those who don’t use their intellects.” (al Anfaal 8:22) and “And they will say ‘Had we but listened or used our intellects, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire’” (al Mulk 67:10)

            The brainwashed is he who follows the majority without the majority position being based upon rationality, proof and benefit. The fundamentalist Muslims find themselves in the minority as they choose principles of intelligence, coherent thought and sound knowledge when deciding the path to follow. This is opposed to those who consider that democracy is the best solution to reach a solution for any matter, i.e. that decisions are made upon where the majority of people desire. This is indeed an idiotic and brainwashed scale of decision making. How does something become correct because a majority support it? And what type of decisions are made by a majority of people who spend their time filling their brains with quiz shows, fantasy movies, soap operas and trivial pursuits? Indeed, the whole concept of calling for democracy and seeing it synonymous with goodness is a result of brainwashing repetition. Because people always here a matter (such as democracy) being associated with good, they take it as so without question. And does that ‘rule by the people, for the people’ exist in any place? No, we see it is only an illusion, in every place people have almost no say in the macro political and economic decisions which effect their lives. At most, people have an elected dictatorship, a choice to vote for a small group of almost identical political parties, which legislate in the interests of the few at the expense of the majority. Every, so called ‘representative’ in reality controlled by party whips and private financial interests as well as personal ambitions. No fixed accountability exists as there is no fixed law, but only constant reforms, exceptions and amendments in order to meet elite (minority) economic interests. Let us look at a country such as the USA, a country which despite its claims to uphold freedom, is busy strolling the world imposing its system by the force of bombs and snatching people from foreign sovereign (or puppet dictatorship) nations and putting them in torture camps without evidence and without trial. And it is also the USA where you must be a multi millionaire in order to be elected president in the first place, and even then needing to force through a candidate by a decision of the Supreme court! Indeed, the majority of the people may call for democracy and that is indeed a result of their brainwashing. As for Islam, it does not tell us to follow the majority but instead commands following that which is correct, and it warns about blind following of the majority. Allah (swt) says “ “And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from the path of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture and they do nothing but lie.” (al Ana’m 6:116) and “… but most men know not.” (Yusuf 12:40) and “And even if We had sent unto them angels and the dead had spoken unto them and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allah willed, but most of them are ignorant” (al Ana’m 6:111)

            The brainwashed is he who follows man-made law. Man-made law is the basis which allows the dictatorship of the few over the vast majority and at the expense of the vast majority. There can only be one law for the collective situation, so the question is what is better for people, Divine Law or man-made Law? Divine Law is from the One who Knows All and is Aware of all things and Knows the nature of those whom He has created. As for man-made law, that is made by those who are weak in intellect, limited in knowledge and influenced by their environment and their prejudices. One who does not believe in accountability in the next life will pursue his life’s affairs based upon fulfilling his instincts and desires.

            The brainwashed is he who considers himself free. People wrongly think they live in free societies. How are you free if you break a man-made law and are punished? People are proud to break away from Divine Law and consider themselves free. In reality man-made laws are so many and changing so much that people regularly are penalised for breaking the law and are unaware. With Divine Law there is a fixed reference point by which the rulers can be accounted. And with Divine Law, the people are not free to change it to suit their prejudices and desires. In man-made law the limited freedom is for the lawmakers and their covert accomplices in the prison states that they have enforced globally. The world is in need of Divine Guidance and Divine Justice and Law, not anarchy of the masses, nor the selfish anarchy of multi-national corporations, banks and ruling elites who are immune even from the accountability in the chaotic elite serving concentration-camp they call ‘freedom and democracy.’

            The brainwashed is he who follows the mainstream media. Where do most people get their views from? They get it from mainstream education and mainstream media, that is, the mass monopolised corporate media. People follow the trends they set and the opinions they promote and the culture they spread, but do people not question the ownership of the media and the ideology and objectives of those who own it? Do they not question the relationships between the media and the rulers? Between the multinational corporations and international bankers and the media? Brainwashed is the one who thinks we have an independent and free media, the media is a tool in the hands of the established order to control the masses who consume the repeated messages and identical media stories. How is it that all outlets have the same headlines and the same commentary if they are free and independent? Why is it so difficult to start independent media channels? A journalist exposes the lies of the British Government in promoting the mass murder in Iraq and he is brought before the courts in a public inquiry.

            The brainwashed is he who follows ‘fashion.’ The brainwashed are those who continue to spend vast amounts on those goods because they carry a label of ‘value’ while such companies are making 1000% profit or more than the price they paid for such items in the foreign slave camps known as ‘cheap labour’. Brainwashed is he who follows the latest styles being mass advertised and manufactured, not because it is a fashion of the people but because a decision was taken by an oligarchy of manufacturers to introduce a new style and propagate it through ‘critics’ and ‘experts’ and foolish adverts that imply you will gain women, wealth and success by dressing in the latest pre-planned ‘fashion’.

            The brainwashed is he who takes body-destroying, accident-causing, mind-repressants as entertainment. Alcohol, a multi-trillion dollar industry which fills the banks of the manufacturers and establishment through astronomical taxes while at the same time achieving the goal of escapism for the masses. Turning the rabble into animals and thugs, who can easily be manipulated and controlled and who will let off their frustrations through the medium of drunkenness, rioting, prostitution and promiscuity, interacting with others without accountability or responsibility. The ideal tool to make a people stupid while stealing their money. On top of that, the money made due to post alcoholic crime, disorder and accidents for the international banksters (i.e. gangster bankers) and their insurance companies and lawyers etc is another reason why the only ones who engage in this low life activity are the brainwashed.

            The brainwashed is he who gambles. The brainwashed is he who after all his excessive underpaid work and misery of over taxation and high prices due to fluctuations in bank manipulated paper money starts to entertain the hope he will become rich and starts to gamble or play the government introduced national lottery. A chance of millions to one of the jackpot he continues to spend the little he has in a desire to make a gain without a relevant effort. The result, he and his family are poorer because he was brainwashed.

            Brainwashed is not he who opposes the man-made system of oppression but brainwashed is he who goes along with a system which does nothing for himself but everything for a few corporate criminals. Brainwashed is the one who was indoctrinated by a system that told us we came from monkeys and are nothing more than animals who engaged in trial and error and so have progressed. Brainwashed is he who has been commanded by the system not to question the ideology and principles of the government which dominates him and which he dies for because he considers it a duty to his ‘country’ to fight against those who were born in another place. Brainwashed is not he who fights for the justice of Divine Law, but brainwashed is he who fights others due to the threat of imaginary weapons of mass destruction, while the only ones to use such weapons and sell them on a mass scale are those whom he fights for. Brainwashed is he who fights to remove one dictatorship in order to replace it with another. Brainwashed is he who fights for the sake of following orders of misguided men while disregarding his own conscience, religion and intellect…..that is indeed the one who is brainwashed.

            Islam commands us to remember death and to make preparation for it as it is indeed a matter that is sure to come. Allah (swt) says “Everyone shall taste death. And only of the Day of Resurrection shall you be paid your wages in full. And whoever is removed far away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise , he indeed is successful. The life of this world is only the enjoyment of deception” (aali I’mraan 3:185) and it is reported by Ibn U’mar that the Prophet (saw) was asked who is the wisest and the Prophet (saw) replied “The one who remembers death the most and prepares for it most…” (IBN MAAJAH) The brainwashed is he who ignores preparing for the inevitable and hides and escapes from the reality in society’s trivial pursuits and pastimes. Allah (swt) says “Closer to mankind comes their reckoning yet they heed not and turn away” (al Anbiyaa’ 21:1) and “Or did the people of the townships feel secure against the coming of Our punishment in the forenoon while they play?” (al A’raaf 7:98) and “Mutual rivalry for piling up worldy things diverts you, until you visit the graves” (at Takaathur 102:1-2) Finally, we say that if people will not cease to declare Islamic fundamentalist (real Muslims) to be brainwashed, then we accept that Islam does wash our brain of ignorance, idolatry, oppression and man-made exploitation and corruption. It is better to have a brain that is washed clean from filth than to have one still polluted and rotten. The masses look down on those they consider ‘brainwashed’ but that is due to the masses being in a state we call ‘brain-dead.’ We therefore invite all to study Islam further from uncompromising Muslim sources rather than take the distortions and misrepresentations from those who hate the positive change it will bring and those who have sold their religion for a miserable price.

          • Alex August 2, 2012 at 9:21 pm #

            “we have books of the scholars who studied years and years and who studied the most authentic narrations of the Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.”

            Indeed we have Scholars, such as Sheikh Abd-Albari Al-Zamzami (Morocco), who was few minutes ago on Almayadeen TY , and issued “Great” Fatwas.

            A Man may make love to his dead wife.

            A Man may make love to (Dolls)and the Woman may use a carrot

            And here, a counter Fatwa prohibiting women from eating Cucumber and bananas.
            And here the Egyptian Scholar Izat Attiya, Chairman of Hadeath  Section in Azhar who Issaued a Fatwa  allowing  a working woman to breast feed her Male colleague
            According to Qaradawi its okey but like this

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 2, 2012 at 9:37 pm #

            Oops, I hope the wahabines all know this and steer clear of tubular veggies and fruit

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm #

            pppfffft so what – no donkeys ???

          • Alex August 3, 2012 at 12:36 am #

            I hear preying

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 10:37 am #

            What I hear, Alex, is braying

          • Alex August 3, 2012 at 10:53 am #

            Laura wrote

            “Therefore, by definition, a Muslim is not one who can live in a state of compromise. Rather compromise with forces and systems that are contradicting the basis and aim of Islam is heavily condemned in the Quran.”

            If you check the history of the so-called Muslim brothers, in particular the last two years, and their compromise with the US trained, the Us funded SCAF, you conclude using Laura’s definition, that MB are neither Muslims, nor brothers. In fact they are not even Ameica’s brothes as I called them, they are America’s slaves.

            “O you who believe! Enter into submission completely and follow not the footsteps of Shaytaan [Satan] for he is a clear enemy.” (al Baqarah 2:208)

            Laura wrote: “The one who does not use his intellect is heavily condemned in the Quran and Allah (swt) says that not using the intellect leads to Hell.”

            So, Luara, get your brain out the Scholar’s freezer before its too late

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 11:39 am #

            Laura wrote

            “Therefore, by definition, a Muslim is not one who can live in a state of compromise. Rather compromise with forces and systems that are contradicting the basis and aim of Islam is heavily condemned in the Quran.”

            Lack of compromise and compassion – this explains why the Deliberation Sunni Gang (D.S.G) are so intolerant and full of hatred for shia muslims.

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 2, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

            I used to think Islam was pretty cool until I started hangin out on deliberation.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 3:30 am #

            “I used to think Islam was pretty cool until I started hangin out on deliberation.”

            :D

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 1:22 pm #

            Jonathon I do not expect you to know any thing about Islam however, let me explain one thing to you.

            My girlfriend is Part Arab and was brought up a Muslim, she is continuously appalled at your comments and articles and often says to me that your brand of Islam is not they type she was brought up with. I am very sure that it won’t be the type of Islam that you argee with.

            I wonder how many other muslims think your are way off course with your thinking?

      • Alex August 2, 2012 at 10:52 am #

        “I think he was born Muslim and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
        I don’t trust any Muslim who left Islam and followed an ism, be it marxism, atheism, or feminism.”

        True, he is born Muslim-Shiite, so even if he is still a Muslim, you don’t trust him, you only trust your “scholars”,

        Do you think Assaad should be killed for leaving Islam?

        • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 11:03 am #

          I am not the judge over the fate of Assad. If he is deposed and faces trial he will likely be tried for crimes against his people. I would say that a trial of apostasy would only be carried out in an Islamic state wouldn’t you ? He was not a Muslim (according to the scholars) to leave Islam anyway.

        • Alex August 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

          Laura
          You know I am talking/Asking about Assaad Abu Khalil, not Bashar, the borm Muslim,
          Do you think Assaad should be killed for leaving Islam?

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

            My reply was about Assad not about Abu Khalil

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 3:34 am #

            Original question:

            Alex

            August 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm

            “Laura
            You know I am talking/Asking abou Assaad Abu Khalil, not Bashar, the borm Muslim,
            Do you think Assaad should be killed for leaving Islam?”

            laura’s non-answer:

            Laura Stuart

            August 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm

            “My reply was about Assad not about Abu Khalil”

            you avoid answering and play semantic games like an israeli.

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 6:12 am #

            You can keep on like a parrot with your “Israeli – Mossad – CIA” crap on and on ad infinitum but no one who matters is going to believe you.

            In fact, that you feel the need to try is very telling.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 7:07 am #

            you still have not answered alex’s question, laura stuart. what are you afraid off?

            cooties? :D

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 7:17 am #

            Alex question is one frequently asked by the enemies of Islam to stir up animosity against Muslims. the apostasy and its rulings debate is one more often seen on such places as Harrys place where posters are Islamophobic and want to portray Islam as a barbaric religion.

            Alex knows the answer but he wants to have an argument which can only be damaging to Muslims and Islam.

            The laws of Islam are implemented only in an Islamic state and judgments such as the one Alex asks about are made by those qualified to do so and who have all the facts needed to make a judgement.

            Alex raises this question merely as a tactic to make fitna (mischief). The fact that you are pushing this question again and again indicates that you have the same agenda as Alex.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 7:34 am #

            Laura Stuart

            “often seen on such places as Harrys place”

            nobody cares about the gay pubs you hang out in.

            “want to portray Islam as a barbaric religion.”

            there are two people who are on this site doing that (excluding the obvious jewish trolls). you, laura, and khalid. everybody else has shown respect for muslims and the muslim religion, and have been appalled and disgusted with the way you and khalid have degraded, perverted and slandered muslims and the muslim religion with your warped, israeli friendly, presentations of islam as something that makes moonies look appealing. this song is about you, laura, you and khalid, and what you represent to this planet:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVJkBortmSk

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 7:44 am #

            I think you need to prove what you claim by showing how Islam is Israel friendly. There is one Islam one Quran and belief in Islam will ensure success not the belief in human beings such as Assad or NasrAllah who can die at any time.

            Islam is not a cult where faith is put in figures.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 7:54 am #

            Laura Stuart

            August 3, 2012 at 7:44 am

            “I think you need to prove what you claim by showing how Islam is Israel friendly.”

            that hasbara distortion is not even remotely related to what i wrote. can you engage in conversation without the jewish hasbara debate tricks? i’ve yet to see you engage in an honest argument.

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 8:04 am #

            L should be a poltician

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 8:20 am #

            Jonathon I think you have not listened and not understood. I would never want to be a politician because it stands for a system other than Islam which I can never support. Secondly I would not get my hands dirty entering into politics even if I was not a Muslim.

            I am shocked and dismayed by your attitude since you are one of the editors. Such rudeness and so many personal attacks on contributors to the site by an editor is not acceptable by any means.

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 1:35 pm #

            Jonathon – since you are so gracious to ask what you should do, I have a suggestion.

            When I click on a comment on the main comments stream page (as opposed to under the article) to post a reply on it, I am taken to the page of the article but I then have to scroll down through lots and lots of comments to search for the correct one to reply to, which can be a bit tedious as there are threads of conversation within the thread. Is there a solution to this?

          • Roy Bard August 3, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

            It is the volume of comments that causes the problem.

            It would help if posters quoted the text they were replying to, as it seems once there are numerous replies to a comment, it becomes increasingly difficult to follow the thread.

          • Alex August 3, 2012 at 2:44 pm #
            Alex, knows the answer, and knows that the question is frequently addressed by the enemies of Islam to fools like Laura, who by avoiding answering or by giving twisted answers hurts Islam more than its enemies.

            Laura wrote above

            The Quran made clear the fact that true and effective following of religion is based upon an informed choice and not upon being forced, Allah (swt) says 

            “There is no compulsion in the deen [i.e. in adopting religion]. The right path has become clear from the wrong path…” (al Baqarah 2:256)

             

            Laura may claim that she embraced Islam upon an informed choice, not upon being forced, but let us consider the case of Abu Khalil as a born-Muslin Shiite, me as a born-Muslim Sunni, Laura as a born-Christian, Isaac Shamir as a born-Jew, a born-secular/communist, and ask ourselves where is the “informed choice?

            Aren’t all were forced by birth?
            Aren’t the first Muslims the only Muslims who embraced Islam based on informed choice?


            Why Laura has the right to change, others don’t?

            Alex asked Laura, who claimed that she don’t compromise on the Devine rule,  to expose her inconsistancy,cowardice and ignorance in Islam.

            Alex wanted to tell the people at deLibration that Killing apostate has nothing to do, neither with Islam, nor with Quran.
            I hereby, challenge all Scholars on the earth to present single Quran Verses about killing the apostate. Somebody would say: Mohammad killed apostates, so its Sunni, and we follow Quran and Sunna.
            Yes, at the early days of Islam some apostates were killed, not because they left Islam, but for spying and conspiring against islam, they were sentenced to death for high treason, like they do now .

            Back to Assaad Abu Khalil and his likes.

            According, to Laura’s  Scholars, Abu Khalil should be killed, Like Egyptian Journalist Farag Foda.

            Farag Foda, Egyptian Journalist was killed for “his critical articles and sharp satires about Islamic fundamentalism in Egypt was killed by a fatwa issued by Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, was killed by brainwashed Muslim.

            Al-Azhar scholar, Mohammad Al-Ghazali, a witness before the court, declared it was not wrong to kill an apostate.
            Al-Ghazali said: “The killing of Farag Foda was in fact the implementation of the punishment against an apostate which the imam (the state) has failed to implement (undertake).”[citation needed]

            Can Laura who claims to be a “devout Muslim who believes with certainty in the Islamic belief system and who adheres completely to the Islamic law without compromising with secular society,” say what Ghazali said?

            Can she dare to say Ghazali was wrong?

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 7:56 am #

            It is you who cannot understand my opinions because my opinions are based only on Islam.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 8:09 am #

            “It is you who cannot understand my opinions because my opinions are based only on Islam.”

            yeah, right. :D

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 1:23 pm #

            I am so stupid I cant help myself what would i do without you to educate me. ]#

          • Alex August 3, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

            “It is you who cannot understand my opinions because my opinions are based only on Islam.”

            Despite your intentions which only God knows, and know that good intention may lead to hell, As I toled you before, you are worse than the worst enemy of Islam,

            How disgusting to think that Islam is somthing, and human cultures, civilizations are something else.

            Allah said

            79 . Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:”This is from Allah,” to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

            Your scholars taught you that the Vesrses is about Jews and the people of the book who changed their books.

            That’s true, but reading it today as if revealed yesterday, I am certain that its about smart Sultan’s scholars,who without changing a word in Quaran, wrote other books and used it to explain interpret Quran, thus changing Islam the reilgion of Rahman to a reiligion of Sultan any sultan.

    • who_me August 2, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

      i probably should have explained my comment after the angry arab commentary i posted, but i was in a hurry – as i am now, so in brief:

      “even the angry arab is against these israeli terrorists.”

      i meant by that the angry arab is not usually all that critical of israeli-american covert wars, from what i read by him. he was infavour of the “green” color revolution attack on iran and he supported the attack on libya last year, at least till it got too absurd to do this and remain credible – like juany cole supporting the iraq war the first year or so, then deciding, with much self-important fanfare, that the war crime was a “bad idea” in 2004 when it became obvious he’d lose all credibility if he continued to support that disgusting war.

      i don’t read much of angry arab because i usually find his material in the same category as azz criticism of israeli-american policy and war crimes. ie: it’s more for image, rather than real substance. so when i saw him strongly condemning the attack on syria, i was surprised. i know some azz have been opposing this israeli-american war crime, as some did the one against libya, and i think the main reason they do so is that they have to to remain credible figures of opposition and also because both the libyan and syrian war crimes are far to barbaric and obvious of israeli destabilisation attempts on those two countries to be supported by anyone who wants to remain as a credible opposition pundit.

      that angry arab condemns this syrian war crime shows he has learned since last year, when he soft peddled the war crimes against libya, and realises that what israel-american is doing in syria is so far beyond the pales, no opposition figure could possibly support it and not become another putrid pile of tainted, rotting meat in the eyes of those opposed to israeli-american war criminality.

      apparently he lives in syria? the brutality might also have affected him of these israeli-american war crimes in syria, seeing them happen closer to home. so that could also be a large factor of his turnabout.

      • Roy Bard August 2, 2012 at 8:02 pm #

        “apparently he lives in syria?”

        I’d always thought he was faculty at California State University, Stanislaus

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As%27ad_AbuKhalil

        • who_me August 3, 2012 at 3:37 am #

          i thought i read something about him saying he was in syria, or perhaps he has syrian roots. i don’t know anything about who he is.

          thanks roy

        • Jay Knott August 3, 2012 at 9:30 am #

          I have to admire your patience, Roy. On second thoughts, I don’t admire tolerance of stupidity, arrogance, laziness and ideological rigidity.

          Angry Arab’s Lebanese, not Syrian, but hey, who needs facts when you have the Truth?

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 9:54 am #

            “I have to admire your patience, Roy. On second thoughts, I don’t admire tolerance of stupidity, arrogance, laziness and ideological rigidity.

            Angry Arab’s Lebanese, not Syrian, but hey, who needs facts when you have the Truth?”

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8976yho_OnM#!

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 10:19 am #

            Who-me the editors seem to be very patient with your endless cries of “liar – gay – hasbara – zionazi”

            If the only reply you have to a comment is to post a video with a gay reference can we safely believe that their comment must have been correct because you have no sound argument against it just childish finger pointing.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 10:27 am #

            jay was just being queenly bitchy. he has a grudge against me and was just acting on it in the usual queenly jay manner. that should be pretty obvious to “non-israeli” types. ;) you and jay make almost as nice a couple as you and khalid, laura.

            the gang bang is typical zionist hasbara tactics, btw. very common among the jewish websayanim and their goy toys.

            it’s not just the repetitious sloganeering you guys write here, it’s the cowardly way you operate behind the scenes.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 10:33 am #

            10:27 am was a response to:

            “Who-me the editors seem to be very patient with your endless cries of “liar – gay – hasbara – zionazi”

            If the only reply you have to a comment is to post a video with a gay reference can we safely believe that their comment must have been correct because you have no sound argument against it just childish finger pointing.”

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 10:43 am #

            I have never worked behind the scenes in fact I have always been on the front lines of activism. I also use my real name.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 11:51 am #

            “I also use my real name.”
            Maybe that was not such a smart idea. It is my most sincere hope and wish for you that there will come a time when you will be embarrassed to be identified with some of the unqualifiable stuff you posted here.

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 11:41 am #

            And your aguments are so well reasoned

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 11:46 am #

            Unlike yourself who has no arguments only insults

            Jonathon Blakeley Reply

            August 3, 2012 at 8:11 am

            @ who me re clinto photo
            the only differnce between them is one wears a face veil and the other we wish did.

          • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 1:25 pm #

            @Laura So of the most horrid homophobic material on this site has come from you.

            That is quite an achievment, but I am sure you can better it./

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 1:29 pm #

            Believing that sodomy is haram and being against gay marriage is a different matter to ridiculing gays as individuals is it not?

          • Roy Bard August 3, 2012 at 11:42 am #

            Jay, Did you notice that I posted the Wikipedia link which started with the line below?

            As’ad AbuKhalil Arabic: أسعد أبو خليل (born March 16, 1960) is a Lebanese-American professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus.

            As who_me wrote “apparently he lives in syria?” it seemed to me that he wasn’t sure. I thought it worthwhile noting he in fact lives in America, and the link started by noting he was Lebanese-American.

            “On second thoughts, I don’t admire tolerance of stupidity, arrogance, laziness and ideological rigidity.”

            Strangely Jay these seem to be very similar qualities to those that others have accused you of having!

            Personally I wish this game of ping-pong insults would end. No-one is winning it….

  11. Jonathon Blakeley August 2, 2012 at 7:44 am #

  12. Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    NasrAllah fails to mention that Israel is still occupying Lebanon.

    Perhaps one day posters on this site will understand that the only way to peace and justice is when the Muslims regain their dignity and throw off the chains of oppression and natinalism. As a cohesive force without national boundaries – factions and beliving in false man made ideologies they will become powerful again.

    People on this site want the Muslims to be fragmented into the man made states.

    We see no difference between a Muslim from Libya or one from Indonesia fighting for justice as long as he is fighting for the sake of Allah and to free his brothers and sisters from oppression. We are one Ummah.

  13. Alex August 2, 2012 at 9:38 am #

    So, according this Sectarian Liar speaking about Unity of Muslim, the Israel withdrwal from south Lebanon never hapenned, Israel never failed to re-occupy the south, never failed, during 2006 Jully, to re-occupy even the tiny village Maroum Alrass existing on the borders.

    Nasrallah, yesterday, made it clear, Shibaa farms, and the Lebanese part of Al-Ghajar are still occupied. He warned that if the Goverment fails to liberate the occupied parts, the people have the right to do it. Shibaa, and Kafershoubs are Sunni village. I guess Nasralla ws hinting the Sunni Salafist Massing in Tripoly in the north.

    “It is a duty for true Muslims to help their brothers trying to topple a criminal oppressor.” Preyed KA, but it is not their duty to help their brothers in Borma.

    Helping Borma Muslims, Like helping besieged Gaza would rock the MB already sinking boat, being an American red line Mamahood can’t cross.

    I would imagine Laura, KA and all Sectarians praying 33 days, pleading to their sectarian God defeat Hizbollah because success should come fro a devient sect.

    For those who don’t know, Late Shiek Mohammad Mitwalli Saarawi. who was in Algeria during 1967 war, prayed to thank his God for the Victory of Israel, because according to him, success should not come with communist weapons. I swear, H heard him with my ouwn ears.

    • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 9:50 am #

      There you go then, NasrAllah said the Sunni villages should free themselves. No sectarism there then?

      Why not admit that NasrAllah alone can do nothing and the best chance that there is would be for Muslims to unite?

      Only free men can negotiate it is said so how can Muslims under dictatorships ever achieve anything?

    • who_me August 2, 2012 at 8:01 pm #

      alex nails it again. :)

    • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 8:07 am #

      Alex you have been a good thing for deliberation I am very glad you came on board to add some balance to this debate.

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 10:13 am #

        Overly kind of you to call it a “debate,” which implies two sides to a discussion. That has not been the case because on one side we have blind and deluded group of Syrian agents who refuse to listen to the lucid arguments patiently expounded in a civil and considerate way by Laura I am Islam Stuart and K 3.5 Posters Amertume.

  14. Alex August 2, 2012 at 10:12 am #

    No, Nasrallah never said that, he said people should librate occupied land.

    Nasrallah with HELP OF SYRIA AND IRAN did whatever he can. It is Iran who called and stil calling for unity not you nor KA, and Sectarian MB.

    In fact you are calling for the unity of sectarians (Chosen Muslims)to “Liberate” Muslim countries from Chrisians, Shae, Allwis, Druze and all other minorities.

    Why your Libyan “brave” brothers don’t go to help their brothers in Hamas?

  15. Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 10:44 am #

    Alex – you said you guess NasrAllah was hinting …..

    I am sure you know the answer to the question

    “Why you Libyan brave brothers don’t go to help their brothers in Hamas?”

    Hamas like Hizbollah is a nationalist force.

    During the Lebanon war in 2006 I used to ask Lebanese Shia why they don’t go home to fight and they said because Hizbollah would not trust them since they have been away in the West.

    Many brothers who went to Gaza with me would liked to have stayed and fought with Hamas but they were not allowed by Hamas themselves who have a massive task trying to prevent infiltration.

    In Syria there is no one in control of who goes in to fight. Some Syrians are against Assad and against an armed uprising which is fair. Nice article about that
    http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=22963

    • Alex August 2, 2012 at 11:01 am #

      I said, I guess because i am nor a liar like you who put his words in others mouths.

      So the problem is in Hamas? Or is it Hamas don’t trust Nato thugs?
      Why they don’t fight Israel from Sinia??

      • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 11:11 am #

        Alex you go and join Hamas and fight.

        I have faced the IDF guns myself, been in Israeli prison, seen my brothers die and had the blood of the shuhadah and the injured on my hands – seen my brothers beaten by Egyptian security forces, been detained and deported and banned from Egypt travelled over 5000 miles driving by land to Gaza 3 times – why don’t you go and fight?

        • botafogo August 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

          writes LS

          “I have ………. been in Israeli prison”

          now it’s clear where they recruited her

          “and had the blood of the shuhadah and the injured on my hands”

          of course, who would doubt that zio-salafi agents have lots of blood on their hands?!

          “join Hamas and fight”

          ha ha ha, it’s like flogging a dead donkey, because after selling themselves to the BIG QATARI BROTHER Hamas = a dead donkey

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

            Not Salafi blood actually.

            So can we safely assume that you are an Arab based on the number of times the word donkey appeared in your comment?

          • botafogo August 2, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

            “Not Salafi blood actually.”

            of course not, salafis usually have the blood of others on their hands

            “So can we safely assume that you are an Arab based on the number of times the word donkey appeared in your comment?”

            and can we safely assume that you are not a human based on the fact that your comment looks like written by a donkey?

          • Laura Stuart August 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm #

            You came here to stir up sectarianism.

            Not worth engaging with you.

          • botafogo August 2, 2012 at 2:58 pm #

            good girl! you better engage with your “non-sectarian” brother Hamayreh

          • who_me August 2, 2012 at 8:03 pm #

            “now it’s clear where they recruited her”

            :)

        • fool me once... August 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm #

          @Laura
          “I have faced the IDF guns myself,……why don’t you go and fight?”
          It would be inconceivable that anyone going through all that trauma would not be affected psychologically in a negative way, seriously!
          PTSD perhaps???????????
          For you, here’s one of the best tunes out there whilst you contemplate your equilibrium, turn it up and let it start the healing. Gain strength and seek help. ;)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woD–LzgNd4

  16. Alex August 2, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Why don’t you go and fight?

    Before, Black September I have been in Jordan, and after in Lebanon. I am banned from travel to Egypt since 1970.

    I am fighyimg here,supporting real fighters.
    And in case I am at this age able to fight I shall not join Hamas, because Hamas is fighting to keep the red carpet.

    Few picture woth one million words

    Hezbollah ten barrel rocket launcher on israel tv channel 10

    Suni Thugs Fighting Allawis in North Lebanon

    Zionist Meadia:   Sasfi Rabbe (look at his beard ) fi Rab’s sit-in, untill Hezbullah  is disarmed

    “Marching south to Liberate sunni Shebaa farms”
    • who_me August 3, 2012 at 3:48 am #

      Alex

      re: the photo of the 2 “guidos” with this caption:

      “Suni Thugs Fighting Allawis in North Lebanon”

      they don’t look very sunni to me, more like american fans of things like this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08

      btw, that video was popular around the time khalid was getting his american education (travel, board & lodging and tuition paid by “who knows?”). ;)

  17. Alex August 2, 2012 at 6:07 pm #

    Al-Manar correspondent from Syria: Decisiveness is now very close in Aleppo

    • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 6:25 am #

      Even if Assad kills another 20,000 to remain as dictator in Syria he is still finished, it is only a matter of time.

      Plus those who supported him have exposed themselves and their lack of morality and most especially those who are Muslim exposed their lack of belief, as they put their trust in a couple of human leaders who Allah s.w.t. can remove from this life at any time – instead of the promise that He gave us that Islam will prevail.

      “It is he (Allah) who has sent his Messenger (saw) with guidance and the religion of truth, in order for it to be dominant over all other religions, even though the Mushrikoon (disbelievers) hate it.” (at-Tawbah, 9: 33)

      • who_me August 3, 2012 at 7:17 am #

        “Plus those who supported him have exposed themselves and their lack of morality and most especially those who are Muslim exposed their lack of belief”

        the more vindictive, bigoted, divisive instilling bile you write, laura, the more you remind me of this thing:

        http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2012/04/hillary-clinton.jpg

        • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 7:38 am #

          Muslims who believe in Islam as a way of life and a political system will not fight for a leaders who does not rule according to Islam.

          • Alex August 3, 2012 at 3:57 pm #

            Please Laura, I beg you and you schoolar
            Tell us, Please, Please, about a leader any leader, ruling according to Islam.?
            I would like you to tell what is the political system you call for?

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

            Alex We don’t have any leaders ruling according to Islam and you know that very well.

            Now stop begging please :)

            Why don’t you tell us about life in Lebanon, no one wants to know about Islamic fiqh. Or tell us about Palestine which part your family came from and if you have been there. I would love to hear about such things.

          • Alex August 3, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

            No body here is interested to hear about me, except you and Zionist agents.
            People here, enjoyed Carrot’s,barbe Fiqh of your Scholars, and would like you explain the Political Islamist System. Is it the political sytem of MULLA OMAR, or that of the Jew Mohammad Ibn Abdulwahhab?

            Or is Mubarak System with Mursi instead of Mubarak?
            Saying Islam is the solution or the solution is Islam is not enough

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 6:29 pm #

            You are funny Alex. I really am interested to hear about your Palestinian roots. I love the films sister Lauren Booth makes about the diaspora Palestinians.

            The zionists are definitely not interested to know your family story, they say there were no such people.

            Why don’t you write about your family history? Even without using any name. I fear the history might be lost. Actually I went to the opening of a new faculty at SOAS for exactly this purpose.

            http://www.soas.ac.uk/lmei-cps/

            The older generation are dying now the history has to be recorded.

        • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 8:11 am #

          @ who me re clinto photo
          the only differnce between them is one wears a face veil and the other we wish did.

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 8:23 am #

            “and the other we wish did.”

            you sure got that right! :D

  18. pgg804 August 3, 2012 at 6:41 am #

    Khalid, you couldn’t possibly sound more Jewish than you already do. Your constantly citing Hitler and the NAZIS as the most evil people that ever existed is right out of all the books, newspaper articles and commentary Jews have written. You could write for the New York Times and they would love you.

    Hitler has to be the utmost evil; Worse than Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, certainly worse than Churchill or FDR and do you know why he was the worst? Because he was against Jews. That’s why all the Palestinians are supposedly terrorists – because they are against Jews too. That’s why they can be murdered and no western government will say a word against Israel.

    You might as well put a yarmulke on and convert Khalid.

    • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 6:50 am #

      A deeply offensive post but then I am sure that your intention is to be offensive.

      Interesting that you write “sound more Jewish” as a political idea then go on to instruct someone to take up the Jewish religion.

      Perhaps you just hate Jews.

      • who_me August 3, 2012 at 7:22 am #

        Laura Stuart

        “Perhaps you just hate Jews.”

        perhaps he does. but your reaction to the jewish criticism bit of his post probably says an equal amount about you. ;) :D

        matter+anti-matter=?

        • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 7:32 am #

          Doesn’t it imply that I do not hate the Jewish religion and Jews as a people?

          Perhaps you believe it necessary to sign up to hating Jewish people and Judaism in order to prove your anti Israel stance but I do not.

      • pgg804 August 3, 2012 at 7:48 am #

        No, it is not my intention to be offensive and you would have to explain to me why you think it is. I do not know how to explain to Khalid (or anyone else) that Jews are the primary force that have set Hitler apart from all the other tyrants in history without using the word Jews.

        There are Jews who want a more balanced and fair view of history and some are on this website but they are demonized also.

        If you don’t think that Jews are the primary political force behind erecting holocaust memorials all over the world and behind most of the movies and books demonizing the NAZIS (Schindler’s List – Steven Spielberg, Shoah – Claude Lanzmann, The Pianist – Roman Polanski) and on and on and on, then I don’t know what else to say.

        But your kind of comment is used continuously to shut people up so that Jews and others can say the most offensive and insulting things about other people and not be called on it. Did you think it was offensive towards Germans to say they made skin and lampshades from Jews? That was said for forty years. Is that not as bad as the “blood-libel” Jews speak of in the middle ages in Europe?

      • fool me once... August 3, 2012 at 10:45 am #

        @Laura
        “Perhaps you just hate Jews.”
        Where did you get the impression that pgg804 “hates jews”? Please cut and paste such a comment(s).
        pgg804 might have good reason to be angry, annoyed frustrated, irritated etc by JP but that’s ok, it’s called having a personal opinion.
        I haven’t seen what you’d call “jew hatred” on this site anywhere and jews have been encouraged to put their version of historical events etc up for debate. Remember the sites called deLiberation not Jew Club.

    • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 8:16 am #

      The “Deliberation Sunni Gang” is looking more and more like an AZZ (Anti-Zionist Zionists) outfit, Ostensibly for apprearances against Israel, but quite happy to facilitate and spread Israeli Propaganda.

      Sadly some at deliberation do not seem to be aware that they are being used in this manner.

      • who_me August 3, 2012 at 8:25 am #

        “The “Deliberation Sunni Gang” is looking more and more like and AZZ (Anti-Zionist Zionists) outfit, Ostensibly for apprearances against Israel, but quite happy to facilitate and spread Israeli Propaganda.

        Sadly some at deliberation do not seem to be aware that they are being used in this manner.”

        no argument from me there.

      • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 8:33 am #

        Of course that is what the propaganda would like you to believe and you have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

        Anyone who is against Assad has to be pro Israel.

        Well you certainly have fallen for it Jonathon.

        • who_me August 3, 2012 at 8:55 am #

          Laura Stuart

          August 3, 2012 at 8:33 am

          “Anyone who is against Assad has to be pro Israel.”

          rubbish. it’s your constant repeating, word for word, of israeli hasbara about syria, iran and libya. your israeli style attempts to promote divisiveness among muslim peoples. it’s your defence of israeli attempts to divide palestinians. you are like an american kkk member (sans silly cone and sheet) harping on black crime during the 60’s when people were working for equal rights, who also claimed claimed they were for equal rights.

          more jewish israeli hasbara style debate manipulation from laura.

          • Laura Stuart August 3, 2012 at 9:09 am #

            I am not dividing Muslims nor Palestinians. What is dividing the majority (90% Sunnis) is support by a minority Shia for a brutal dictator by using the lie that those who are against Assad are promoting Israels interests.

            You and others are deluded into thinking that the only force against Israel is Assad/NasrAllah.

            I disagree, I believe in Islam as the only force that has any hope of changing anything for Muslims.

            What would be an interesting question is – if Muslims were free people (free from dictatorship) so that they could unite against the occupation would there be unity between Sunni and Shia? Would Shia fight alongside the majority or not?

            You just keep on an on with your empty repetition of hasbara zionazi trolls blah blah blah alciada etc so you think Muslims are fighting for USA and Israel yet in Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia they are killing Muslims and no one in the West speaks out. Why should any one believe that you have the interests of Palestinians or Muslims at heart? You obviously do not. Only you can know what you stand for but I would suggest you are primarily anti Jew/Israel whilst at the same time being anti the only power (Islam) which can counter it. You certainly do not stand for either human rights or the right to live in dignity and freedom.
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19092827

          • who_me August 3, 2012 at 9:49 am #

            “I am not dividing Muslims nor Palestinians. What is dividing the majority (90% Sunnis) is support by a minority Shia for a brutal dictator”

            sunni good, shi’a bad. no, of course you are not promoting division among muslims, laura stuart.

            you’re not very good at it. they should retire you.

        • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 1:32 pm #

          Well I am quite stupid as you often are keen to point out. But I found that Propaganda that you and your good buddy have been pushing, no spamming on deliberation for weeks now – is the whole Syria liberation myth. Nato is not going liberate Syria, this is just Donkey Shite. Wake Up!

      • fool me once... August 3, 2012 at 11:12 am #

        The “Deliberation Sunni Gang” theme tune;
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhudMc0jfsc
        .
        Sunni, yesterday my life was filled with rain.
        Sunni, you smiled at me and really eased the pain.
        The dark days are gone, and the bright days are here,
        My Sunni one shines so sincere.
        Sunni one so true, I love you.
        .
        Sunni, thank you for the sunshine bouquet.
        Sunni, thank you for the love you brought my way.
        You gave to me your all and all.
        Now I feel ten feet tall.
        Sunni one so true, I love you.
        .
        Sunni, thank you for the truth you let me see.
        Sunni, thank you for the facts from A to Z.
        My life was torn like a windblown sand,
        And the rock was formed when you held my hand.
        Sunni one so true, I love you.
        .
        Sunni, thank you for the smile upon your face.
        Sunni, thank you for the gleam that shows its grace.
        You’re my spark of nature’s fire,
        You’re my sweet complete desire.
        Sunni one so true, I love you.
        .
        Sunni, yesterday my life was filled with rain.
        Sunni, you smiled at me and really eased the pain.
        The dark days are gone, and the bright days are here,
        My Sunni one shines so sincere.
        Sunni one so true, I love you.
        I love you.
        I love you.
        I love you.
        I love you.
        I love you.
        I love you.

        • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 11:16 am #

          Nothing more… robust? A bit of blood lust to enliven the elan to stamp out those heathen shias? A thieving hand chopped off, a thorough whipping? All love and flowers is kind of wimpy for such a brave bunch.

          • fool me once... August 3, 2012 at 11:41 am #

            Ha ha I wimped out, kept it lite as I didn’t want to encourage a 30 post rant from Kosher K et al. :D

  19. etominusipi August 3, 2012 at 8:23 am #

    ‘hating Jews’ = anti-semitism

    however one should not use the phrase ‘hating Jews’ to describe criticism of Israel’s inhumane actions and deceitful ‘diplomacy’

    in my limited experience online those who accuse others of anti-semitism seem often to share a common background of erroneous beliefs and assumptions.

    • who_me August 3, 2012 at 8:44 am #

      “those who accuse others of anti-semitism seem often to share a common background of erroneous beliefs and assumptions.”

      the most often use i’ve seen is when someone simply wants to shut down the person’s input. the “you’re an anti-semite” label usually does that on most sites because the site is jewish run, or fearful of fat jewish thumbs squishing them.

      what doesn’t usually happen is a real debate of the material based upon adults conversing amongst one another.

      from my own attempts with pgg804 and laura stuart, and the way they played debating games, rather than address one’s points honestly, these are simply just 2 sides of the same far right, corporate friendly, hierarchical propaganda coin. both want the same thing, they just reflect the views of differing far right management teams working to attain those corporate friendly, hierarchical goals. like att and verizon. ;)

      • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 11:13 am #

        ” pgg804 and laura stuart, and the way they played debating games, rather than address one’s points honestly”

        Strange pairing. I never saw any attempt on the part of pgg804 to play debating games; pgg804’s posts always seem straight and honest. Examples?

        • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

          exactly so A, pgg804 does great comments

        • who_me August 3, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

          Ariadna Theokopoulos

          it was a while ago, i don’t remember the thread, but i tried a couple of times but he seemed to ignore the questions i raised and just go on or repeat what he wrote before. my impression at the time was he just wanted to post his views.

      • fool me once... August 3, 2012 at 11:29 am #

        @who_me
        “from my own attempts with pgg804 and laura stuart…these are simply just 2 sides of the same far right…”
        Could you post the thread title(s) of where you had a debate(s) with pgg804, to show the far right influence as I didn’t catch that. cheers

        • who_me August 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

          fool me once…

          politically, i think both ls and pgg come from a far right “cold war” perspective politically and i gathered that view from not a single post, but from reading their writing across this site.

          i guess this could also be a response to part of at’s comment above.

          • Ariadna Theokopoulos August 3, 2012 at 8:32 pm #

            I did not see any evidence of that. I wish you could be more specific.
            In addition, whatever “cold war mentality” you think you have spotted in pgg804 — which I havent– bears no resemblance to the hateful and frankly blood-thirsty bigotry of the I am Islam pious amazon.

    • Jonathon Blakeley August 3, 2012 at 1:34 pm #

      When an un-specified commenter uses a phrase such as “hating Jews” one has to wonder why they are framing it in such a way. AZZ

  20. etominusipi August 3, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    retuned to a different station one of our more prolific analysts might be persuaded to identify such pornographic and loathesome agenda as unworthy even of the verminous and illicit offspring of a scorpion and a dung-beetle

  21. Alex August 3, 2012 at 6:27 pm #

    It’s not hard for anyone observing the Syrian uprising closely to notice its increasing “Islamization” over the past year…..In parallel it became obvious a few months into the uprising that the political leadership of the uprising had failed to live up to its responsibilities. The fractured opposition failed to unite around common goals and to produce a convincing political programme or a coherent transitional plan. This failure to develop an authoritative political narrative cost the uprising the support of a significant portion of the Syrian people who had not been swayed by its arguments. It is ultimately this political failure that has led to the rise of a form of ‘religious’ mobilization….

    In parallel, it can hardly be expected of the average Syrian Christian or Alawi to watch the armed opposition videos with their explicitly Sunni imagery, chants and historic associations and not feel threatened by their tone and rhetoric.

    These videos are actually a very important tool of the FSA and other armed groups in terms of broadcasting their war against the regime and mobilizing support. The political message of those videos, however, is increasingly becoming harder for non-Sunnis to relate to.

    A Syrian opposition supporter made the observation that most of the “Allahu Akbar” chants heard on Youtube videos “are just a bunch of people who had no idea what else to chant.” There is indeed a lot of truth to this observation, as it reveals both the instinctive resort to Islamic chants and the lack of alternative political or patriotic slogans.

    But as the uprising takes an increasingly militarized form, the continuing absence of the opposition’s political vision, beyond the stated desire to unseat Assad, seriously raises the prospect of a war of attrition in which regime supporters will have no incentive to compromise or even consider switching sides. Far from being a theoretical luxury, a coherent political vision would have convinced those reluctant to join of the merits of a post-Assad future.

    But as it stands, the political leadership of the opposition has not only failed to produce a political vision, it has also failed to establish control over the armed groups within and outside the FSA. Neither the now almost irrelevant Syrian National Council (SNC) nor the Local Coordination Committees (LCCs) possess that sort of authority over the armed wing of the uprising. The SNC has also eroded its authority further by failing to establish a foothold within Syria as it tries to control events from abroad.

    It would be wrong, however, to assume that this is an indication of a religious agenda that is driving the uprising. Religious narrative is being used as tool for stoking communal solidarity, but the exact influence that Islamization will have in the future has by no means been determined yet. There will be political battles to overcome this issue, heralded by the competition that the “mainstream” sections of the FSA are engaged in with more radical elements, some of which are coming from abroad.

    In the absence of a clear political vision and credible leadership, the role of religious mobilization is then becoming increasingly important. Not only does it serve as a vehicle for solidarity and finding common purpose but it also gives meaning to the struggles and sacrifices that people are making.

    There is a useful comparison to be made between the FSA and Hezbollah in this context. The FSA’s “religious” tone by no means exceeds that of the Lebanese party which, after all, is known as the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon. Hezbollah’s explicit Islamist and Shia identity did not prevent it at a certain point from becoming quite popular in the Arab world and among Sunnis. It also had and still has support among some Christians and secular leftists in Lebanon.

  22. Laura Stuart August 4, 2012 at 2:17 pm #

    It looks like the Iranians have added a new ritual to their pilgrimages

    The Associated Press ‏@AP

    Iran TV: 48 Iranian pilgrims kidnapped by gunmen in suburb of Syrian capital:http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    • Alex August 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm #

      It looks that your Terrorist brothers are bankrupt. Btw, part of the Lebanese captures Kinapped by your brother Abu Ibrahim escaped, You Abu Ibrahim is injured and need the blessing if his sister.

    • pgg804 August 5, 2012 at 3:50 pm #

      I hope so. They are helping their Muslim brothers. A short distance separates Syria and Iran and both countries are under attack from foreigners that have no business there.

      The United States is about 8,000 miles from the middle east and the European Jews that stole the Palestinian’s land and now rule Palestine / Israel have no business there either.

      Just as the British colonized the middle east after WW I, the colonization continues today by the USA. But now the US government’s foreign policy is run by Israeli agents – AIPAC Jews.

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