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		<title>By: David Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/911-hercules-poirot-investigates/#comment-15703</link>
		<dc:creator>David Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;In essence, we lost our scientific independence, and became little more than &quot;hired guns&quot;.&lt;/b&gt;

an insider talks of the corruption of NIST from the 1990&#039;s:

http://georgewashington.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/former-nist-employee-blows-whistle.html

one great testament to my incompetence at record keeping is my constant failure to remember the name of NIST spokesperson Shyam Sunder, who presented (with a straight face!) the considered view that Building 7 fell due to &lt;i&gt;burning curtains&lt;/i&gt;.

but my google searches to find the name again often turn up useful auxiliary sources, such as the above.

i have always thought, in a rather unexamined fashion, &quot;what a patsy&quot; but perhaps i have underestimated Mr Sunder. by invoking such a ludicrous hypothesis in such a mock-serious way, he may have been, within the restraints imposed by the exigency of keeping his job, sending a signal that the whole official versions of these events (Building 7 was not even mentioned in the 911 Commission Report) is, as Roger Tucker has suggested, &lt;b&gt; bunkum&lt;/b&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>In essence, we lost our scientific independence, and became little more than &#8220;hired guns&#8221;.</b></p>
<p>an insider talks of the corruption of NIST from the 1990&#8242;s:</p>
<p><a href="http://georgewashington.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/former-nist-employee-blows-whistle.html" rel="nofollow">http://georgewashington.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/former-nist-employee-blows-whistle.html</a></p>
<p>one great testament to my incompetence at record keeping is my constant failure to remember the name of NIST spokesperson Shyam Sunder, who presented (with a straight face!) the considered view that Building 7 fell due to <i>burning curtains</i>.</p>
<p>but my google searches to find the name again often turn up useful auxiliary sources, such as the above.</p>
<p>i have always thought, in a rather unexamined fashion, &#8220;what a patsy&#8221; but perhaps i have underestimated Mr Sunder. by invoking such a ludicrous hypothesis in such a mock-serious way, he may have been, within the restraints imposed by the exigency of keeping his job, sending a signal that the whole official versions of these events (Building 7 was not even mentioned in the 911 Commission Report) is, as Roger Tucker has suggested, <b> bunkum</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/911-hercules-poirot-investigates/#comment-15697</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/911-hercules-poirot-investigates/#comment-15692</link>
		<dc:creator>David Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[brilliant! - i have long been looking forward to the appearance of such pithy video summaries. 

Anthony Lawson is a master of the genre, though his target audience is more selective.

despite the extreme gravity of the 911 and post-911 crimes humour is an essential weapon in the ongoing war of ideas, especially in the peculiarly difficult task of de-hypnotising the sheeple. that needs a few more celebs like Charlie Sheen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brilliant! &#8211; i have long been looking forward to the appearance of such pithy video summaries. </p>
<p>Anthony Lawson is a master of the genre, though his target audience is more selective.</p>
<p>despite the extreme gravity of the 911 and post-911 crimes humour is an essential weapon in the ongoing war of ideas, especially in the peculiarly difficult task of de-hypnotising the sheeple. that needs a few more celebs like Charlie Sheen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon Blakeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathon Blakeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/911-hercules-poirot-investigates/#comment-15646</link>
		<dc:creator>David Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ariadna: &lt;i&gt;the progressive white-guilt/christian-guilt group that has assimilated all the bullet points of zioprop, and whose central theme is “the only racism is white racism, of which the most heinous form is anti-semitism.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

that describes perfectly someone i know very well - a US-born radical (southern state) who worked as a journalist in Nicaragua, then for Oxfam in England. his parents were liberal, and &lt;i&gt;worked against anti-semitism, which gave him a big experience...&lt;/i&gt;. i now suspect they might have been drawn into the SPLC net.  

his 911 gatekeepers are Chomsky and Cockburn (r.i.p.), though from my recent researches in connection with the lively deLiberation Tenzin Gyatso debate, it looks like Parenti would make a good reserve quarterback for that team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariadna: <i>the progressive white-guilt/christian-guilt group that has assimilated all the bullet points of zioprop, and whose central theme is “the only racism is white racism, of which the most heinous form is anti-semitism.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>that describes perfectly someone i know very well &#8211; a US-born radical (southern state) who worked as a journalist in Nicaragua, then for Oxfam in England. his parents were liberal, and <i>worked against anti-semitism, which gave him a big experience&#8230;</i>. i now suspect they might have been drawn into the SPLC net.  </p>
<p>his 911 gatekeepers are Chomsky and Cockburn (r.i.p.), though from my recent researches in connection with the lively deLiberation Tenzin Gyatso debate, it looks like Parenti would make a good reserve quarterback for that team.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariadna Theokopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariadna Theokopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I add my salute to Somoe&#039;s.
This not just the best description but most likely the first identification of the aptly named CCs. 
Within this depressingly large category there are subtypes of various shades depending on background and ethnicity, e.g. the progressive white-guilt/christian-guilt group that has assimilated all the bullet points of zioprop, and whose central theme is &quot;the only racism is white racism, of which the most heinous form is anti-semitism.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I add my salute to Somoe&#8217;s.<br />
This not just the best description but most likely the first identification of the aptly named CCs.<br />
Within this depressingly large category there are subtypes of various shades depending on background and ethnicity, e.g. the progressive white-guilt/christian-guilt group that has assimilated all the bullet points of zioprop, and whose central theme is &#8220;the only racism is white racism, of which the most heinous form is anti-semitism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Holden</title>
		<link>http://www.deliberation.info/911-hercules-poirot-investigates/#comment-15637</link>
		<dc:creator>David Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;is &lt;i&gt;Contrarian Conformism&lt;/i&gt; the new ultra-Left-Deviationism?&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lcfCAsVZtPI/SYr3SxWYzRI/AAAAAAAAAAo/73h0yKlOWsc/s400/STALIN-+TROTSKY.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

&lt;i&gt;NB as an exercise in elementary mutual hetero-referentiality  i have tweeted a link to this comment. the tweet can be found at https://twitter.com/etominusipi/status/245474389255127040&lt;/i&gt;

amongst people i encounter, aside from hasbara trolls and a few surviving crypto-stalinists, the most vociferous supporters of key official myths like the holohoax six million, the 911 boxcutters, and the ludicrous idea that Israel is a &#039;regular&#039; and democratic country having a &lt;i&gt;spot of bother&lt;/i&gt; with its less civilised, and violence-prone neighbours, are:

1a. humane in concept, or, at least anti-corporatist and &lt;i&gt;left-&lt;/i&gt;thinking, but ready to fulminate at a moment&#039;s notice against nations or popular movements located on any readily available &lt;i&gt;Axis of Evil&lt;/i&gt; (except the real one&lt;/i&gt;), and feeling that for the degraded inhabitants of such evil countries &lt;i&gt;bombing them back to the stone age&lt;/i&gt; is either &lt;i&gt;too good for them&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;the only language they understand&lt;/i&gt;.
1b. reinforce to themselves the idea of their own altruism either by having a job with a charity or government agency, or by performing some kind of voluntary work on a regular basis.
1c. have considered, at some stage, the option of becoming a &#039;card-carrying&#039; member of a communist party.
1d. are proud, self-declared atheists, with an irrepressible and seemingly excessive loathing for all forms of &#039;religion&#039; as the root of all human evil.
2. consider themselves unusually strong-minded.
3. consider themselves &lt;i&gt;ditto&lt;/i&gt; well-informed.
4. are very seldom mistaken, if ever.
5. see &lt;i&gt;evidence&lt;/i&gt; as a petty-bourgeois deviation/distraction. 
6. regard arguments as, essentially, a matter whose essence is to be found in shouting, mudslinging, and ad hominem &#039;refutations&#039;.
7. have one or more favourite &lt;i&gt;gatekeepers&lt;/i&gt; - i.e. thinkers or public figures whom they admire, and whose &lt;i&gt;ex cathedra&lt;/i&gt; pronouncements are &lt;i&gt;authoritative&lt;/i&gt;.
8. still believe that the world is pretty much as it appears in the Grauniad/BBC &lt;i&gt;pseudo-Weltanschauung&lt;/i&gt;.
9. are avid watchers of/listeners to &lt;i&gt;News&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Current Affairs&lt;/i&gt; programmes.
10.are Islamophobic, but &lt;i&gt;anti-racist&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;anti-fascist&lt;/i&gt;.
11.think criticism of Israel, or of the excesses of Khazarian influence in the US, is evidence for anti-semitic tendencies which can lead people in the end to commit thought-crimes or to join dangerous far-right extremist hate groups.
12. are, despite their claims to the contrary, impressed by &lt;i&gt;celebrity&lt;/i&gt;, and are easy victims to consumerist manipulation.
13. consider Bob Dylan to be the greatest musician the world has ever known.
14. are strong supporters of the &lt;i&gt;Crusade&lt;/i&gt; for President Bush&#039;s notion of world-wide &lt;i&gt;Freeman Moxy&lt;/i&gt;
15. easily demonise people they disapprove of, even if these antagonists are erstwhile friends whose only failing is having the temerity to disagree.

these traits define for me a distinct socio-personal type, the &lt;i&gt;contrarian conformist&lt;/i&gt;. in many ways CCs are admirable folk, and whilst all loving their children, and sharing a common subscription to the articles of faith outlined above, constitute a vibrantly diverse collection of human beings. 

aside from their ideological stance, (&lt;i&gt;dogmatic counterfactualism&lt;/i&gt;) if the members of the CC community have a single easily-recognised trait that distinguishes them as a group it is that they mistake stubborn-ness and reliance on unexamined prejudice for independence of thought, and are potential &lt;i&gt;useful idiots&lt;/i&gt; in that their unconscious motivation is to support social solidarity by acting and speaking in such a way as to promote the herding/guiding of ideological waifs and strays back  towards the cattle shed of convenient mythology.

one or two of the above &lt;i&gt;points&lt;/i&gt; are made with tongue ever-so-slightly in cheek, but i hope i have portrayed at least in the form of this poorly-sketched caricature, a &lt;b&gt;type&lt;/b&gt; with which some of my readers may be familiar from their own experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>is <i>Contrarian Conformism</i> the new ultra-Left-Deviationism?</b></p>
<p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lcfCAsVZtPI/SYr3SxWYzRI/AAAAAAAAAAo/73h0yKlOWsc/s400/STALIN-+TROTSKY.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p><i>NB as an exercise in elementary mutual hetero-referentiality  i have tweeted a link to this comment. the tweet can be found at <a href="https://twitter.com/etominusipi/status/245474389255127040" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/etominusipi/status/245474389255127040</a></i></p>
<p>amongst people i encounter, aside from hasbara trolls and a few surviving crypto-stalinists, the most vociferous supporters of key official myths like the holohoax six million, the 911 boxcutters, and the ludicrous idea that Israel is a &#8216;regular&#8217; and democratic country having a <i>spot of bother</i> with its less civilised, and violence-prone neighbours, are:</p>
<p>1a. humane in concept, or, at least anti-corporatist and <i>left-</i>thinking, but ready to fulminate at a moment&#8217;s notice against nations or popular movements located on any readily available <i>Axis of Evil</i> (except the real one), and feeling that for the degraded inhabitants of such evil countries <i>bombing them back to the stone age</i> is either <i>too good for them</i> or <i>the only language they understand</i>.<br />
1b. reinforce to themselves the idea of their own altruism either by having a job with a charity or government agency, or by performing some kind of voluntary work on a regular basis.<br />
1c. have considered, at some stage, the option of becoming a &#8216;card-carrying&#8217; member of a communist party.<br />
1d. are proud, self-declared atheists, with an irrepressible and seemingly excessive loathing for all forms of &#8216;religion&#8217; as the root of all human evil.<br />
2. consider themselves unusually strong-minded.<br />
3. consider themselves <i>ditto</i> well-informed.<br />
4. are very seldom mistaken, if ever.<br />
5. see <i>evidence</i> as a petty-bourgeois deviation/distraction.<br />
6. regard arguments as, essentially, a matter whose essence is to be found in shouting, mudslinging, and ad hominem &#8216;refutations&#8217;.<br />
7. have one or more favourite <i>gatekeepers</i> &#8211; i.e. thinkers or public figures whom they admire, and whose <i>ex cathedra</i> pronouncements are <i>authoritative</i>.<br />
8. still believe that the world is pretty much as it appears in the Grauniad/BBC <i>pseudo-Weltanschauung</i>.<br />
9. are avid watchers of/listeners to <i>News</i> or <i>Current Affairs</i> programmes.<br />
10.are Islamophobic, but <i>anti-racist</i> and <i>anti-fascist</i>.<br />
11.think criticism of Israel, or of the excesses of Khazarian influence in the US, is evidence for anti-semitic tendencies which can lead people in the end to commit thought-crimes or to join dangerous far-right extremist hate groups.<br />
12. are, despite their claims to the contrary, impressed by <i>celebrity</i>, and are easy victims to consumerist manipulation.<br />
13. consider Bob Dylan to be the greatest musician the world has ever known.<br />
14. are strong supporters of the <i>Crusade</i> for President Bush&#8217;s notion of world-wide <i>Freeman Moxy</i><br />
15. easily demonise people they disapprove of, even if these antagonists are erstwhile friends whose only failing is having the temerity to disagree.</p>
<p>these traits define for me a distinct socio-personal type, the <i>contrarian conformist</i>. in many ways CCs are admirable folk, and whilst all loving their children, and sharing a common subscription to the articles of faith outlined above, constitute a vibrantly diverse collection of human beings. </p>
<p>aside from their ideological stance, (<i>dogmatic counterfactualism</i>) if the members of the CC community have a single easily-recognised trait that distinguishes them as a group it is that they mistake stubborn-ness and reliance on unexamined prejudice for independence of thought, and are potential <i>useful idiots</i> in that their unconscious motivation is to support social solidarity by acting and speaking in such a way as to promote the herding/guiding of ideological waifs and strays back  towards the cattle shed of convenient mythology.</p>
<p>one or two of the above <i>points</i> are made with tongue ever-so-slightly in cheek, but i hope i have portrayed at least in the form of this poorly-sketched caricature, a <b>type</b> with which some of my readers may be familiar from their own experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Somoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it doesn&#039;t stretch my credulity at all to believe that the whole 9/11 conspiracy was engineered to cover up the funneling of Pentagon funds to Israel and i agree with you that it does not appear to be a rushed job. It was clear from the start that there were people in the administration with things to hide when footage was seized from anyone who filmed the &#039;attack&#039; on the pentagon and never seen again.

Once again, I salute your brilliant research and your ability to articulate so cleverly, with such wit the real state of affairs with this diabolic attempt to seize control of the reins of power and the minds of the masses, concealing the real crimes.  

The culture of reliance upon MSM TV for information has made delusion on a massive scale possible and been the downfall of most western societies and the cause of much &#039;lamentable ignorance&#039;. Add to that the fact that our pseudo institutions have for many decades been pursuing policies designed to dis-empower, poison and &#039;dumb down&#039; the populace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t stretch my credulity at all to believe that the whole 9/11 conspiracy was engineered to cover up the funneling of Pentagon funds to Israel and i agree with you that it does not appear to be a rushed job. It was clear from the start that there were people in the administration with things to hide when footage was seized from anyone who filmed the &#8216;attack&#8217; on the pentagon and never seen again.</p>
<p>Once again, I salute your brilliant research and your ability to articulate so cleverly, with such wit the real state of affairs with this diabolic attempt to seize control of the reins of power and the minds of the masses, concealing the real crimes.  </p>
<p>The culture of reliance upon MSM TV for information has made delusion on a massive scale possible and been the downfall of most western societies and the cause of much &#8216;lamentable ignorance&#8217;. Add to that the fact that our pseudo institutions have for many decades been pursuing policies designed to dis-empower, poison and &#8216;dumb down&#8217; the populace.</p>
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